Heralds of the Ascendant
Is the Heralds of the Ascendant a dangerous cult in southern Illinois or just a misunderstood pagan community? In this episode, Matt speaks directly with the group’s anonymous founder, “the Prophet,” to learn more about the mysterious group’s goals and intentions. They discuss the group’s origins, their mission to help people heal from religious trauma, and what it’s really like being an underground spiritual movement in Southern Illinois.
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You may or may not have heard
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about this mysterious group in
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southern Illinois.
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A lot of people call it a cult.
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Others know almost nothing about
it.
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And at the center of the group
is its anonymous founder, known
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only as the prophet.
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I came across this group while
doing research online for other
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episodes for the podcast.
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But the more I looked into it,
the more elusive it seemed.
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There were all kinds of rumors
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and bits of information online,
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and a lot of speculation, but
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very little.
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That gave me a real sense of who
these people were.
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I wanted to know if there really
was a cult in Southern Illinois,
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and if so, was it in some way a
cause for concern?
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So I took a chance and reached
out to someone who claimed to be
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a member of the group on Reddit.
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I was looking for answers, but I
never imagined that one message
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would lead to a direct contact
with the leader of the
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mysterious group called Heralds
of the Ascendant.
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I’m Matt Deig, and in this
episode of River City Mystery.
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You’ll hear my conversation with
the group’s anonymous leader
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known as the prophet.
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I see two horribly hideous
looking little dog like
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creatures in this house.
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It was a disembodied voice.
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It was like a little child
trying to scare us.
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I don’t know what this was.
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I I’ve I’ve heard everything you
can think of.
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This was nothing I’m ever
accustomed to.
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Ever.
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It was terrifying because it was
like our.
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There were so many people to
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where it was like, are we all
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seeing this?
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So everybody is scared.
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The kids are crying.
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The women don’t.
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You know June’s about to lose
it.
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And what are they to do?
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These things will not die.
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Welcome back to another episode
of River City Mystery.
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Glad you’re here.
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I, uh, I didn’t know which intro
music to use.
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My wife had suggested having an
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intro that for my true crime
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podcasts, and then another intro
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for my paranormal related
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podcasts.
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This one doesn’t really fall
into either category, and I
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wasn’t going to make a whole
intro for cult related things,
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so the paranormal one will just
have to do.
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Um, this episode is a little
different than my normal
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episodes, but this is a topic
I’ve been kind of researching on
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my own for a while now, and I’ve
really just wanted to dig in and
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see what this was all about.
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This, this group called heralds
of the ascendant.
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So it’s not an endorsement of
the group or I’m not encouraging
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people to, to join cults or
anything of that nature.
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I’m just a curious person and
wanted to know more about it.
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And with that, I want to welcome
the prophet to the show.
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Thank you for joining me.
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And, um, I’ve been wanting to
learn more about your group for
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a long time now, actually.
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Oh, really?
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Do tell.
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I loved hearing people’s
experiences and learning about
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us and stuff.
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Well, I mean, I don’t know much
about you, except that, um, I as
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part of my podcast, I’m always
kind of doing research and
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things of that nature as far as
like groups in the area,
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anything mysterious or unknown.
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And I’d always come across like
cults and cult discussions.
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People were saying, oh, there’s
these strange people.
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Not maybe not strange people,
but people approaching me in
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Walmart parking lots.
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And I think there’s a cult in
southern Illinois.
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And I would do research, but it
wasn’t.
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There really was never anything
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out there specifically about
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your group and except for your
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website.
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And finally I found out the name
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of your group was heralds of the
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ascendant.
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And but I really know nothing
more other than that.
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And there’s these rumors of
you’re this cult in southern
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Illinois and just a lot of the
stuff on Reddit.
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And I’m like, I like to do my
own independent research and
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hear from the source.
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I don’t want to just hear, you
know, let’s take what people are
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saying on Reddit for, you know,
this truth, right?
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Which I appreciate so much
because so many people just see
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like, is this a cult?
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And then that’s, that’s it.
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That’s the end of it.
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Oh, I bet so.
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And then and full disclosure, I
reached out to you.
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You didn’t reach out to me, so I
and I appreciate you accepting
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the offer because, I mean, you
didn’t have to.
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And it’s a great opportunity
because we need more press.
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So it’s it’s a win win.
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Absolutely.
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And I really appreciate it as
well.
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I guess we’ll just start off
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with what exactly is heralds of
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the ascendant.
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So we are first and foremost, um
a new faith.
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We could also be considered like
a pagan church, I suppose.
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And we more than anything seek
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to make the world a better
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place.
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Uh, almost every herald has
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experienced some sort of toxic
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faith practices, uh, in some
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way.
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And religious abuse and
extremism is something that we
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recognize as one of the largest
sources of our world’s problems,
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especially here in America.
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So we educate about ethical
faith practices and providing a
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space where people can engage in
faith without being exploited or
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extorted, abused, you know, all
that fun stuff that comes with a
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lot of modern churches.
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Um, not all of them, of course.
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Obligatory, not all of them.
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But it as as many on the
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internet say it was fucking one
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is um.
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Right, right.
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Uh, our doctrine works towards
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the purpose of like, making the
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world a better place as far as
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religion goes.
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And in general, uh, we give
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people, it helps people to get
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out of more toxic groups in a
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way.
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Um, because a lot of, a lot of
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the time when someone is in an
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actual abusive cult environment,
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one of the things that keeps
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them from getting out is that
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once they step out of the group,
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all the magic in their world is
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lost.
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You know, there’s no longer some
big deity in the sky that loves
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you so much.
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It just all becomes mundane.
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And that that is a huge barrier
of exiting for a lot of people
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who are in cults.
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So we.
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Our doctrine Encompasses almost
every religion of every faith.
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And in that way, we’re able to
not say so much of you were
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stupid, and we’re going to get
you out of here.
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Instead, we say you’ve been lied
to and we’re here to help.
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So we’re kind of like an
anti-cult cult.
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Like we have our own doctrine.
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Mhm.
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But at the same time, we help
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people to get out of bad
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religious groups and, uh, teach
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about ethical faith practices
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and how to live a healthy life,
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including faith.
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And, uh, we have like internal,
um, I want to say fail safes for
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because, you know, absolute
power corrupts absolutely.
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So we have a lot of checks and
balances within the organization
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as well, uh, to keep us from
falling down the rabbit hole of
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any kind of icky culty stuff.
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And why do you think people
think that you are a cult?
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Like, why is that a A perception
out there that you are.
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Um, I think well, one is
definitely because there are two
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definitions of the word cult.
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There’s, of course, the
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Jonestown type cult where it’s,
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um, you know, abusive and
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exploitative and all that lovely
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stuff, um, with lovely endings
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there.
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Absolutely.
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And then there’s the, I don’t
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want to say original meaning,
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but the more classical meaning
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of just any new religion, i.e.
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like the cult of Dionysus, the
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cult of Hera, the cult of
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Astarte.
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Mhm.
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Um, it can just mean any new
religion.
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So in that form, we are indeed
under that label.
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Um, it’s also probably because
we, when we do public
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appearances, we, uh, we like to
get theatrical with it.
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We like to dress up, we like to
go full regalia and, um, it’s,
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it’s, it’s both because it helps
people to, um, feel the magic of
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what we’re doing.
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It helps people to express
themselves in a radical way that
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they may not have been able to
before, which is very much a
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part of what we do.
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Um, but it’s also because it, it
gets people talking, it gets
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eyes on us, you know, um, and in
another way, we like, we, um, I
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think we’ve co-opted a lot of
like, I don’t want to say
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Catholic, but a lot of like
cathedral type imagery.
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Um, because a lot of our members
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have religious trauma from the
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Catholic Church or the Christian
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church.
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And for them, that can feel like
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taking back what was lost in a
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way.
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What exactly is religious trauma
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or what would be an example of
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religious trauma.
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Exactly.
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Um, well, I’m not at liberty to
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tell you any of my Harold
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specific traumas, but I could
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tell you one of mine if you
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would like.
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Well, sure.
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So, um, one of my many religious
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traumas, uh, when I was very,
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very young.
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I’m talking like maybe five,
four or five six around there.
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It’s hazy when the executive.
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The exact memory was, but, um,
I, I went to church with some
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neighborhood kids just because I
wanted to hang out and eat
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cookies with the other kids and
have a good time.
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I didn’t mind that we were
learning about Jesus because
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what a fun story that was.
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church, we, we keep in mind our
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parents had no warning of this.
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We had no idea this was going to
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the big amphitheater area for a
little while, and then the
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teacher would arrive, herd us
into our little classroom.
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We would have cookies and
Kool-Aid and talk about Jesus.
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Or a Bible story or whatever.
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This was not what happened that
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This day we didn’t get to play
at all.
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And they all seemed angry.
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And they mushed us into this
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room, and they put us all in
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this little bitty room with this
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guy who was dressed in what I
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could only describe as like
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rags.
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Um, he smelled he smelled
terrible.
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I remember that very vividly.
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Um, normally we all sat in these
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cute, comfy little pillow
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chairs.
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We weren’t allowed to sit this
time.
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And over the course of like, I
want to say two or three hours
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while we were stuck in there
with this man who I think we
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were locked in there, like the
teachers didn’t even stay in
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there with us.
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It was just us and him.
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Oh my God.
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He told us all that we were
going to die tomorrow, and he
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wrote down the tomorrow’s date
on our hands.
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Um, and being a little terrified
little child, I was like, how
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are we gonna die tomorrow?
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Yeah.
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And he said, exactly like Jesus
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And then he proceeded to tell us
all of the tortures and horrible
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things that Jesus went through.
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And of course, by the end of
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this, we were all screaming and
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crying and freaking out and
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pounding on the walls, trying to
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get out.
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One of us, uh, one kid tried to
tackle him.
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You know, I think I bit him at
one point.
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Like, we were scared.
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We believed him.
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I think I got in huge trouble
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for biting him, if I remember
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correctly.
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Um, but.
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No, but at the end of it, at the
end of it, he, like, took a wet
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wipe and wiped the numbers off
of our hands and told us that
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Jesus had saved us.
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Um, but we were all completely
inconsolable by this point.
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And I, as a little kid after
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that, after I went home, I
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didn’t sleep for like three days
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and three nights because I was
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so mortified.
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And I need you to know, like I,
I researched this stuff.
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This kind of thing is not as
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uncommon as one would hope it
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is.
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This kind of thing is happening
all over the world right now,
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and it’s terrifying.
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And so this is the sort of
teachings you’re trying to
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provide an alternative to is
that we, we, we want to rescue
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people from that and also to
help them to heal from it.
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Okay.
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And you’re known as in the
heralds of the ascendant.
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You’re known as the prophet.
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Mhm.
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Are you the founder of the
group?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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How did you become the, I guess
what is what is a prophet?
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And then how did you become the
prophet?
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What’s what’s the story with
with how that became to be.
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So the prophet of the heralds is
sort of like the title of
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founder, but just for faith.
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Uh, I was the first to put these
truths together in this format,
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in this order.
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So this faith in a way, is my
prophecy, my gospel.
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Uh, in the material sense.
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It’s that simple.
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It’s in all honesty, I didn’t
even mean for it to become its
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own faith at the beginning.
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Uh, it all kind of just started
as a big running theory, but
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then I would start discussing it
with friends and digging deeper.
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And the hope and the wonderment
and the like relief that I would
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see in people’s eyes as I told
them my theories just told me
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like, I’ve got a, I’ve got a,
I’ve got to dig deeper.
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I’ve got to find more because
this is helping people.
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Um, and this was before I was
even professing it as a faith.
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I was just discussing it because
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it was always a hobby of mine to
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look into like religion and
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stuff.
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Right.
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Um, but I had a lady come up to
me one day after we discussed it
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at like a, this like high tea
party thing that I’d gone to.
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It was really cute.
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And, uh, she had tears in her
eyes and she was like, this
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helped me so much.
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And you gotta tell everybody
about it.
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And I was like, okay, maybe.
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Maybe there’s something here.
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Maybe there’s something here,
right.
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Um, on the spiritual side of
things, I’m the prophet because
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I have been in contact with what
we call a watcher.
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Um, these are like primordial
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beings that were, uh, some of
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the first conscious creatures to
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wake up when our world was
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forming.
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Okay.
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Um, this watcher has helped me
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to put the pieces of our gospel
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together and continues to teach
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me this day sort of as like a
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patron deity.
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Other heralds are welcome to
call out to this watcher if they
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wish, and other followers of
this watcher do exist and will
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continue to exist long after me,
uh, and are welcome to share
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their input within our circle.
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Uh, and then to the Herald
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specifically, I’m the prophet
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because I am a divine contact
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with our watcher, specifically
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one that said, if any deity
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should ever retaliate against
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us, that their divine
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retribution or wrath should fall
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on me alone, sparing my heralds
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of fault.
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This contract we made allowed
for the creation of what we
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called the Vale Fire, which is a
seed of divinity that we’ve
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planted directly within my
heart, that hopefully with our
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theories, with enough divine
energy and belief and enough,
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you know, the stuff that gives
gods their power, at least what
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we believe, uh, worship could
one day bloom into a new God.
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Uh. This ascension will likely
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consume my soul like kindling to
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a wildfire.
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But that’s okay.
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Um. I will become the will of
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this new deity and guide it to
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make our world a better place
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for everyone.
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This new god is called the
ascendant.
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And as it started within
humanity and will ascend to
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divinity, um, it may take on a
new name at that time.
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Who knows?
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Um, but it will be the first
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deity intentionally created with
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human hands.
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Some heralds believe the
ascendant is already awakening.
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Some think of it as a distant
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prospect, and others still speak
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of the ascendant as if it has
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already risen as a way to
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manifest their desire and add
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their belief to the veil fire in
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everyday life.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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There’s a lot.
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You got all that, honey?
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I got it all.
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I understand it perfectly, I
understand.
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That’s everything I need.
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Well, I mean, starting off with
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the watcher, which I find that
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fascinating.
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Is there one watcher over each
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group, or are there you kind of
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reference that there could be
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multiple watchers?
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So each group has its own
watcher.
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Watchers are kind of like, I
wouldn’t say a god beside a god.
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We just, we define them more as
like divine custodians.
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They’re like the gardeners of
the garden that is our universe.
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Um, when watchers predate gods,
they predate human life.
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They predate like they are the
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first conscious beings in our
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universe.
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And when human beings first
evolved, we reached up into the
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cosmos for meaning, you know,
for purpose, for something.
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And it was the watchers who
sculpted this energy into the
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deities that the early humans
then would worship.
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Does that make sense?
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That does.
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I think I think I’m following.
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Um. All right.
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Speaker:
And as far as profits, if any,
what if someone else in the
431
00:17:01,090 –> 00:17:05,049
Speaker:
group starts referring to
themselves as a profit?
432
00:17:05,049 –> 00:17:08,769
Speaker:
Is that allowed or is there only
one profit allowed in each?
433
00:17:08,769 –> 00:17:09,410
Speaker:
How does that work?
434
00:17:09,410 –> 00:17:11,609
Speaker:
Is there a hierarchy of profits
435
00:17:11,609 –> 00:17:13,089
Speaker:
or someone ascending to be or I
436
00:17:13,089 –> 00:17:13,769
Speaker:
don’t know, I don’t know how
437
00:17:13,769 –> 00:17:14,130
Speaker:
that works.
438
00:17:14,130 –> 00:17:16,730
Speaker:
Is there only one profit in your
group?
439
00:17:16,730 –> 00:17:19,410
Speaker:
So I think there’s only one me.
440
00:17:19,410 –> 00:17:21,130
Speaker:
Uh, as far as like, I’m the only
441
00:17:21,130 –> 00:17:23,630
Speaker:
one that has the veil fire in
442
00:17:23,630 –> 00:17:24,210
Speaker:
their chest.
443
00:17:24,210 –> 00:17:27,730
Speaker:
I’m the one that, uh, is
sacrificing myself to become
444
00:17:27,730 –> 00:17:28,650
Speaker:
this new deity.
445
00:17:28,650 –> 00:17:30,730
Speaker:
It’s not really so much of a
sacrifice.
446
00:17:30,730 –> 00:17:34,970
Speaker:
I’d say it’s more of a risk that
we are taking, that I’m taking.
447
00:17:34,970 –> 00:17:36,859
Speaker:
Because if any.
448
00:17:36,859 –> 00:17:39,660
Speaker:
Like, I’m sure you’ve read some
Greek mythology.
449
00:17:39,660 –> 00:17:43,200
Speaker:
It’s not exactly the safest
thing in the world to do to
450
00:17:43,200 –> 00:17:45,180
Speaker:
challenge any deity.
451
00:17:45,180 –> 00:17:47,460
Speaker:
Um, hubris.
452
00:17:47,460 –> 00:17:48,619
Speaker:
You know, a big thing.
453
00:17:48,619 –> 00:17:53,500
Speaker:
So if any divine retaliation or
divine wrath should come towards
454
00:17:53,500 –> 00:17:57,380
Speaker:
the heralds, it will only follow
fall on me.
455
00:17:57,380 –> 00:17:59,380
Speaker:
I’m the only one who will suffer
for it.
456
00:17:59,380 –> 00:18:01,859
Speaker:
So like, if someone wanted, like
457
00:18:01,859 –> 00:18:04,819
Speaker:
we have several members who are
458
00:18:04,819 –> 00:18:06,460
Speaker:
in contact with other deities,
459
00:18:06,460 –> 00:18:07,619
Speaker:
because at the end of the day,
460
00:18:07,619 –> 00:18:09,500
Speaker:
we are a pagan faith and
461
00:18:09,500 –> 00:18:11,259
Speaker:
therefore we believe all deities
462
00:18:11,259 –> 00:18:12,759
Speaker:
exist or have the potential to
463
00:18:12,759 –> 00:18:13,859
Speaker:
exist.
464
00:18:13,859 –> 00:18:17,779
Speaker:
Uh, and we have the option to
choose who we wish to follow.
465
00:18:17,779 –> 00:18:20,180
Speaker:
Um, there are other members that
466
00:18:20,180 –> 00:18:22,740
Speaker:
could be considered prophets by
467
00:18:22,740 –> 00:18:25,980
Speaker:
some, some sort of definition
468
00:18:25,980 –> 00:18:27,140
Speaker:
because they’re in contact with
469
00:18:27,140 –> 00:18:27,579
Speaker:
the deity.
470
00:18:27,579 –> 00:18:28,420
Speaker:
Sometimes.
471
00:18:28,420 –> 00:18:30,940
Speaker:
For some people, that’s all it
takes to be a prophet.
472
00:18:30,940 –> 00:18:36,670
Speaker:
But as far as the prophet of the
heralds, That’s me.
473
00:18:36,670 –> 00:18:37,630
Speaker:
Because I’ve.
474
00:18:37,630 –> 00:18:38,990
Speaker:
I’m the one who made the
contract.
475
00:18:38,990 –> 00:18:40,390
Speaker:
I’m the one who started it all.
476
00:18:40,390 –> 00:18:41,789
Speaker:
I’m the one who blah, blah blah.
477
00:18:41,789 –> 00:18:45,349
Speaker:
But do we deny that other people
have divine power and the
478
00:18:45,349 –> 00:18:47,549
Speaker:
ability to tap into the divine?
479
00:18:47,549 –> 00:18:49,029
Speaker:
Absolutely not.
480
00:18:49,029 –> 00:18:51,990
Speaker:
Okay, okay, so that makes sense.
481
00:18:51,990 –> 00:18:54,150
Speaker:
And you’re based in Southern
Illinois, correct?
482
00:18:54,150 –> 00:18:55,190
Speaker:
Mhm.
483
00:18:55,190 –> 00:18:56,630
Speaker:
The we are global these days.
484
00:18:56,630 –> 00:18:59,349
Speaker:
We have members all over the
world, members all over.
485
00:18:59,349 –> 00:19:02,190
Speaker:
I’m an idiot when it comes to
your most everything other than
486
00:19:02,190 –> 00:19:02,950
Speaker:
what’s on your website.
487
00:19:02,950 –> 00:19:03,470
Speaker:
You’re good.
488
00:19:03,470 –> 00:19:04,150
Speaker:
Don’t worry.
489
00:19:04,150 –> 00:19:07,789
Speaker:
You’re, uh, a mystery as far as
who you are.
490
00:19:07,789 –> 00:19:10,329
Speaker:
You’re not, like, publicly known
as far as you haven’t, like,
491
00:19:10,329 –> 00:19:11,150
Speaker:
announced who you are.
492
00:19:11,150 –> 00:19:15,150
Speaker:
Is there a reason that you don’t
want to be, um, your name out
493
00:19:15,150 –> 00:19:16,309
Speaker:
there does that?
494
00:19:16,309 –> 00:19:17,509
Speaker:
Yes.
495
00:19:17,509 –> 00:19:18,109
Speaker:
I can only imagine.
496
00:19:18,109 –> 00:19:19,349
Speaker:
But that’s got to be difficult
497
00:19:19,349 –> 00:19:21,569
Speaker:
to, to like grow while like
498
00:19:21,569 –> 00:19:23,069
Speaker:
remaining like this mysterious
499
00:19:23,069 –> 00:19:24,029
Speaker:
person who it’s like, well, why
500
00:19:24,029 –> 00:19:25,089
Speaker:
is that person not wanting to
501
00:19:25,089 –> 00:19:26,470
Speaker:
name themselves?
502
00:19:26,470 –> 00:19:28,789
Speaker:
I guess first of all, why are
you not like public?
503
00:19:28,789 –> 00:19:31,690
Speaker:
And also, does that cause
problems with trying to like,
504
00:19:31,690 –> 00:19:33,269
Speaker:
have people join your group?
505
00:19:33,269 –> 00:19:34,849
Speaker:
Um, well, it doesn’t have.
506
00:19:34,849 –> 00:19:38,710
Speaker:
I don’t think we’ve had problems
with people wanting to join from
507
00:19:38,710 –> 00:19:42,650
Speaker:
me being anonymous, because
usually when we do in-person
508
00:19:42,650 –> 00:19:45,809
Speaker:
events, I’m there and I’ll be
like, hey, I’m the prophet,
509
00:19:45,809 –> 00:19:46,609
Speaker:
blah, blah, blah.
510
00:19:46,609 –> 00:19:49,250
Speaker:
Um, I have a mask on in these
situations.
511
00:19:49,250 –> 00:19:51,930
Speaker:
I have a very fancy custom mask
made for me.
512
00:19:51,930 –> 00:19:56,130
Speaker:
Um, but, um, a lot of Harold’s
513
00:19:56,130 –> 00:19:59,289
Speaker:
know me outside of prophet and I
514
00:19:59,289 –> 00:20:00,769
Speaker:
don’t really like, once I know
515
00:20:00,769 –> 00:20:03,170
Speaker:
someone and I trust someone as a
516
00:20:03,170 –> 00:20:04,470
Speaker:
herald, then I’ll, you know,
517
00:20:04,470 –> 00:20:05,849
Speaker:
like I go to movies with my
518
00:20:05,849 –> 00:20:07,170
Speaker:
Harold’s all the time just as
519
00:20:07,170 –> 00:20:07,849
Speaker:
me.
520
00:20:07,849 –> 00:20:14,029
Speaker:
But, um, as far as staying
anonymous goes, it has been, uh,
521
00:20:14,029 –> 00:20:15,529
Speaker:
a great boon to me.
522
00:20:15,529 –> 00:20:18,130
Speaker:
It’s it’s definitely been the
right choice.
523
00:20:18,130 –> 00:20:22,170
Speaker:
Um, I have a Harold’s of the
ascendant sticker on my car.
524
00:20:22,170 –> 00:20:22,890
Speaker:
Okay.
525
00:20:22,890 –> 00:20:24,730
Speaker:
And my tires have been slashed.
526
00:20:24,730 –> 00:20:25,650
Speaker:
Oh, wow.
527
00:20:25,650 –> 00:20:29,849
Speaker:
So it’s not like it’s a secret.
528
00:20:29,849 –> 00:20:34,980
Speaker:
You know, I we get death threats
on the website already, so I
529
00:20:34,980 –> 00:20:37,579
Speaker:
don’t need my name out there.
530
00:20:37,579 –> 00:20:37,900
Speaker:
Yeah.
531
00:20:37,900 –> 00:20:39,140
Speaker:
I mean, I was wondering if there
532
00:20:39,140 –> 00:20:40,200
Speaker:
was a risk of I mean, because
533
00:20:40,200 –> 00:20:41,500
Speaker:
obviously you wouldn’t you don’t
534
00:20:41,500 –> 00:20:43,059
Speaker:
want to be harmed, but is there
535
00:20:43,059 –> 00:20:44,579
Speaker:
animosity toward I mean, you
536
00:20:44,579 –> 00:20:46,220
Speaker:
don’t seem like a violent group
537
00:20:46,220 –> 00:20:47,660
Speaker:
or like you’re trying to build
538
00:20:47,660 –> 00:20:49,539
Speaker:
some sort of town to go to war
539
00:20:49,539 –> 00:20:50,180
Speaker:
with anyone?
540
00:20:50,180 –> 00:20:52,539
Speaker:
I mean, you don’t seem that way,
but there’s not much out there.
541
00:20:52,539 –> 00:20:54,180
Speaker:
And all you see is, oh, they’re
a cult.
542
00:20:54,180 –> 00:20:56,380
Speaker:
And then, like, there’s no, I
don’t really see a lot.
543
00:20:56,380 –> 00:20:59,480
Speaker:
So in a vacuum of information,
people just kind of come to
544
00:20:59,480 –> 00:21:00,579
Speaker:
their own conclusions.
545
00:21:00,579 –> 00:21:01,619
Speaker:
That’s why I wanted to talk to
you.
546
00:21:01,619 –> 00:21:02,980
Speaker:
And I appreciate you like doing
this.
547
00:21:02,980 –> 00:21:05,339
Speaker:
But you know, there’s people
with all kinds of different
548
00:21:05,339 –> 00:21:08,019
Speaker:
views and you all have a view.
549
00:21:08,019 –> 00:21:10,779
Speaker:
And that doesn’t mean that
you’re a threat that, you know,
550
00:21:10,779 –> 00:21:12,420
Speaker:
people need to take you out.
551
00:21:12,420 –> 00:21:12,700
Speaker:
Yeah.
552
00:21:12,700 –> 00:21:15,700
Speaker:
No, we’ve had Christians like
come up to us at our booths that
553
00:21:15,700 –> 00:21:19,200
Speaker:
we do at festivals and things
and like scream at us and try to
554
00:21:19,200 –> 00:21:22,940
Speaker:
convert us and make hand crosses
at us, you name it.
555
00:21:22,940 –> 00:21:26,380
Speaker:
We’ve had people like just from
us walking by scream, Jesus
556
00:21:26,380 –> 00:21:28,740
Speaker:
loves you, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
557
00:21:28,740 –> 00:21:31,910
Speaker:
And my favorite response to that
is, um, thanks.
558
00:21:31,910 –> 00:21:34,150
Speaker:
We know, but we’re better as
friends.
559
00:21:34,150 –> 00:21:35,309
Speaker:
It’s like we’re cool with Jesus.
560
00:21:35,309 –> 00:21:37,390
Speaker:
We’re just not a big fan of his
book club, you know what I mean?
561
00:21:37,390 –> 00:21:38,509
Speaker:
Yeah, absolutely.
562
00:21:38,509 –> 00:21:42,589
Speaker:
And is your are you wanting to
have like a physical community?
563
00:21:42,589 –> 00:21:44,029
Speaker:
Like, is there, is there a
564
00:21:44,029 –> 00:21:45,369
Speaker:
physical church that people
565
00:21:45,369 –> 00:21:45,509
Speaker:
like?
566
00:21:45,509 –> 00:21:48,230
Speaker:
How do people, if someone were
interested in coming and
567
00:21:48,230 –> 00:21:50,950
Speaker:
becoming a part of this, how
would they start like they do
568
00:21:50,950 –> 00:21:54,630
Speaker:
you meet on certain days or how
does that work in your group?
569
00:21:54,630 –> 00:21:58,589
Speaker:
So currently our community is
mostly online.
570
00:21:58,589 –> 00:22:03,430
Speaker:
We do, uh, like booths at events
and things sometimes.
571
00:22:03,430 –> 00:22:05,710
Speaker:
Um, we are working towards, uh,
572
00:22:05,710 –> 00:22:08,529
Speaker:
renting a venue for like more
573
00:22:08,529 –> 00:22:11,329
Speaker:
regular just meeting meetings or
574
00:22:11,329 –> 00:22:12,869
Speaker:
like services.
575
00:22:12,869 –> 00:22:14,069
Speaker:
I’ve been thinking about
576
00:22:14,069 –> 00:22:15,730
Speaker:
converting my backyard into
577
00:22:15,730 –> 00:22:18,009
Speaker:
like, maybe like an outdoor kind
578
00:22:18,009 –> 00:22:20,869
Speaker:
of pseudo like fancy lights and
579
00:22:20,869 –> 00:22:22,309
Speaker:
paths and places to sit, you
580
00:22:22,309 –> 00:22:25,349
Speaker:
know, uh, maybe like an outdoor,
581
00:22:25,349 –> 00:22:27,710
Speaker:
I want to say pseudo church
582
00:22:27,710 –> 00:22:28,750
Speaker:
temple thing.
583
00:22:28,750 –> 00:22:31,519
Speaker:
Um, but that’s my house.
584
00:22:31,519 –> 00:22:35,519
Speaker:
So, you know, it’s kind of a I
don’t know if I want to do that.
585
00:22:35,519 –> 00:22:35,960
Speaker:
Yeah.
586
00:22:35,960 –> 00:22:38,039
Speaker:
There’s a risk of that.
587
00:22:38,039 –> 00:22:38,680
Speaker:
Yeah.
588
00:22:38,680 –> 00:22:41,400
Speaker:
So would we love to have our own
589
00:22:41,400 –> 00:22:42,880
Speaker:
chapel, our own church,
590
00:22:42,880 –> 00:22:43,279
Speaker:
whatever.
591
00:22:43,279 –> 00:22:44,279
Speaker:
Absolutely.
592
00:22:44,279 –> 00:22:46,240
Speaker:
Do we have the budget for that
currently?
593
00:22:46,240 –> 00:22:49,599
Speaker:
No. And so you you have
594
00:22:49,599 –> 00:22:51,160
Speaker:
membership and they I suppose
595
00:22:51,160 –> 00:22:52,119
Speaker:
people donate.
596
00:22:52,119 –> 00:22:55,380
Speaker:
And there’s like a, you have a
whole organization like people,
597
00:22:55,380 –> 00:22:59,240
Speaker:
financial people and like, how
many people are in this group?
598
00:22:59,240 –> 00:23:00,119
Speaker:
Or if you.
599
00:23:00,119 –> 00:23:00,920
Speaker:
Is that even out there?
600
00:23:00,920 –> 00:23:02,400
Speaker:
But I mean, are there lots of
people.
601
00:23:02,400 –> 00:23:04,359
Speaker:
Are we talking a small group?
602
00:23:04,359 –> 00:23:05,440
Speaker:
I have no idea.
603
00:23:05,440 –> 00:23:07,759
Speaker:
It’s not as big as you’re
probably thinking.
604
00:23:07,759 –> 00:23:08,400
Speaker:
I have no idea.
605
00:23:08,400 –> 00:23:10,680
Speaker:
I don’t know if it’s five people
or five hundred.
606
00:23:10,680 –> 00:23:11,880
Speaker:
I really don’t know.
607
00:23:11,880 –> 00:23:14,119
Speaker:
Um, it’s under a hundred, but
it’s over fifty.
608
00:23:14,119 –> 00:23:15,559
Speaker:
Okay, so decent size.
609
00:23:15,559 –> 00:23:16,720
Speaker:
Currently it’s a decent.
610
00:23:16,720 –> 00:23:17,000
Speaker:
Decent.
611
00:23:17,000 –> 00:23:17,240
Speaker:
Yeah.
612
00:23:17,240 –> 00:23:19,039
Speaker:
I mean, not huge, but yeah.
613
00:23:19,039 –> 00:23:24,319
Speaker:
Have you had anyone who was a
member and maybe they had a
614
00:23:24,319 –> 00:23:27,640
Speaker:
disagreement on like, hey, I’m
this isn’t my thing.
615
00:23:27,640 –> 00:23:31,299
Speaker:
And then was have people left
and were there any hard feelings
616
00:23:31,299 –> 00:23:34,220
Speaker:
or people ever like threatened
or anything like that?
617
00:23:34,220 –> 00:23:36,819
Speaker:
Is there any reason that people
wouldn’t leave and, and feel
618
00:23:36,819 –> 00:23:40,500
Speaker:
like, you know, they shouldn’t
leave or can’t leave the group?
619
00:23:40,500 –> 00:23:41,339
Speaker:
Mhm.
620
00:23:41,339 –> 00:23:46,440
Speaker:
Um, we have, we haven’t had
anyone like get mad or have any
621
00:23:46,440 –> 00:23:48,859
Speaker:
animosity towards anyone.
622
00:23:48,859 –> 00:23:50,519
Speaker:
Um, we haven’t had any like
623
00:23:50,519 –> 00:23:52,380
Speaker:
in-group fights, I want to say
624
00:23:52,380 –> 00:23:53,619
Speaker:
yet because like, there’s always
625
00:23:53,619 –> 00:23:54,619
Speaker:
going to be drama where there’s
626
00:23:54,619 –> 00:23:55,140
Speaker:
people.
627
00:23:55,140 –> 00:23:55,579
Speaker:
Sure.
628
00:23:55,579 –> 00:23:58,940
Speaker:
Um, but overall we’re a very,
very loving community.
629
00:23:58,940 –> 00:24:00,819
Speaker:
Um, we have had a couple people
630
00:24:00,819 –> 00:24:02,200
Speaker:
leave because they wanted to
631
00:24:02,200 –> 00:24:04,940
Speaker:
like pursue other, uh, spiritual
632
00:24:04,940 –> 00:24:06,059
Speaker:
paths.
633
00:24:06,059 –> 00:24:09,539
Speaker:
And we’ve even had a couple
people that left to pursue other
634
00:24:09,539 –> 00:24:10,980
Speaker:
things come back.
635
00:24:10,980 –> 00:24:14,099
Speaker:
So, um, so they’re welcome to do
that when somebody wants to step
636
00:24:14,099 –> 00:24:15,539
Speaker:
away, that’s their choice.
637
00:24:15,539 –> 00:24:16,859
Speaker:
That’s their prerogative.
638
00:24:16,859 –> 00:24:18,019
Speaker:
We love them through it.
639
00:24:18,019 –> 00:24:20,059
Speaker:
You know, if they want to step
640
00:24:20,059 –> 00:24:21,500
Speaker:
out, they’re more than welcome
641
00:24:21,500 –> 00:24:21,740
Speaker:
to.
642
00:24:21,740 –> 00:24:22,859
Speaker:
They’re still our friend.
643
00:24:22,859 –> 00:24:24,299
Speaker:
You know, if they never want to
644
00:24:24,299 –> 00:24:26,339
Speaker:
talk to us again there, that’s
645
00:24:26,339 –> 00:24:26,619
Speaker:
fine.
646
00:24:26,619 –> 00:24:28,069
Speaker:
We’ll see you if you ever want
to come back.
647
00:24:28,069 –> 00:24:29,869
Speaker:
If not, have a good life, you
know.
648
00:24:29,869 –> 00:24:32,390
Speaker:
Are there any is there anyone
who maybe goes to a Christian
649
00:24:32,390 –> 00:24:35,390
Speaker:
church and is a member here and
there, kind of like half foot
650
00:24:35,390 –> 00:24:37,109
Speaker:
and one and half foot in the
other, and they’re they’re
651
00:24:37,109 –> 00:24:39,390
Speaker:
somehow a member of both.
652
00:24:39,390 –> 00:24:42,470
Speaker:
Or is it like all or none
usually, uh, like, do you have
653
00:24:42,470 –> 00:24:43,589
Speaker:
people you can be both.
654
00:24:43,589 –> 00:24:43,829
Speaker:
Okay.
655
00:24:43,829 –> 00:24:45,710
Speaker:
You can absolutely be both.
656
00:24:45,710 –> 00:24:47,670
Speaker:
We don’t specifically encourage
657
00:24:47,670 –> 00:24:50,150
Speaker:
working with, uh, the Abrahamic
658
00:24:50,150 –> 00:24:52,390
Speaker:
God specifically because a lot
659
00:24:52,390 –> 00:24:54,349
Speaker:
of his scripture and a lot of
660
00:24:54,349 –> 00:24:57,029
Speaker:
his stuff in the past has just
661
00:24:57,029 –> 00:24:59,390
Speaker:
been crazy, awful, terrible,
662
00:24:59,390 –> 00:25:00,349
Speaker:
horrible.
663
00:25:00,349 –> 00:25:04,650
Speaker:
Um, and a lot of our members
have trauma relating to that, to
664
00:25:04,650 –> 00:25:07,269
Speaker:
those specific practices.
665
00:25:07,269 –> 00:25:11,549
Speaker:
Um, but if somebody has a
relationship with a deity and
666
00:25:11,549 –> 00:25:15,069
Speaker:
that brings them peace, that’s
not my business.
667
00:25:15,069 –> 00:25:16,470
Speaker:
That’s, that’s on them.
668
00:25:16,470 –> 00:25:20,549
Speaker:
You know that if that helps
them, then who am I to tell them
669
00:25:20,549 –> 00:25:22,950
Speaker:
that they can’t have that, you
know, and so that doesn’t
670
00:25:22,950 –> 00:25:26,319
Speaker:
interfere with your belief
system as far as how, how your
671
00:25:26,319 –> 00:25:29,440
Speaker:
organization is set up that can
those two things can coexist
672
00:25:29,440 –> 00:25:32,799
Speaker:
without there being a problem.
673
00:25:32,799 –> 00:25:33,920
Speaker:
Absolutely, absolutely.
674
00:25:33,920 –> 00:25:37,319
Speaker:
It even says that on the
website, actually in the FAQ and
675
00:25:37,319 –> 00:25:40,279
Speaker:
at the beginning of our learn
page, I think.
676
00:25:40,279 –> 00:25:41,359
Speaker:
Speaking of, I noticed your
677
00:25:41,359 –> 00:25:43,079
Speaker:
website has a core beliefs
678
00:25:43,079 –> 00:25:44,440
Speaker:
section, which I. This caught my
679
00:25:44,440 –> 00:25:44,799
Speaker:
eye.
680
00:25:44,799 –> 00:25:49,559
Speaker:
I, um, it says many of our time
believe that small seeds of
681
00:25:49,559 –> 00:25:52,599
Speaker:
truth are scattered across the
world, hidden in every religion
682
00:25:52,599 –> 00:25:53,839
Speaker:
and every culture.
683
00:25:53,839 –> 00:25:56,720
Speaker:
Our society is dedicated to
finding these buried truths and
684
00:25:56,720 –> 00:25:59,720
Speaker:
piecing together a vision of the
paranormal and divine that is
685
00:25:59,720 –> 00:26:03,440
Speaker:
untainted by human vanity and
centuries of misinformation
686
00:26:03,440 –> 00:26:05,119
Speaker:
penned by those in power.
687
00:26:05,119 –> 00:26:06,480
Speaker:
I found that interesting.
688
00:26:06,480 –> 00:26:09,559
Speaker:
And so what are some of the
buried truths that you have
689
00:26:09,559 –> 00:26:13,400
Speaker:
uncovered in your group that you
know from these, you know, other
690
00:26:13,400 –> 00:26:16,480
Speaker:
religions and cultures that you
all have found?
691
00:26:16,480 –> 00:26:17,319
Speaker:
Just try me.
692
00:26:17,319 –> 00:26:21,200
Speaker:
I guess just, you know, what’s
one buried like just what’s one,
693
00:26:21,200 –> 00:26:23,839
Speaker:
I guess an example of just a
buried truth that you’ve
694
00:26:23,839 –> 00:26:28,130
Speaker:
discovered that, um, you know,
you want to talk about.
695
00:26:28,130 –> 00:26:28,490
Speaker:
All right.
696
00:26:28,490 –> 00:26:31,769
Speaker:
Well, the problem is that so
many of them lead into another,
697
00:26:31,769 –> 00:26:33,769
Speaker:
which leads into another, which
leads into another.
698
00:26:33,769 –> 00:26:34,250
Speaker:
Okay.
699
00:26:34,250 –> 00:26:37,569
Speaker:
Um, so many of our discoveries
are information that can be
700
00:26:37,569 –> 00:26:40,250
Speaker:
found and corroborated online.
701
00:26:40,250 –> 00:26:43,049
Speaker:
Uh, so we can’t really take
credit for the discoveries made
702
00:26:43,049 –> 00:26:46,170
Speaker:
by, say, archaeologists who
found the information on stone
703
00:26:46,170 –> 00:26:47,730
Speaker:
tablets and whatnot.
704
00:26:47,730 –> 00:26:50,990
Speaker:
But the average American is
often told exactly what to
705
00:26:50,990 –> 00:26:52,769
Speaker:
believe and not to question it.
706
00:26:52,769 –> 00:26:54,630
Speaker:
So researching the history
707
00:26:54,630 –> 00:26:56,369
Speaker:
behind like, say, the Abrahamic
708
00:26:56,369 –> 00:26:58,109
Speaker:
beliefs can often feel like
709
00:26:58,109 –> 00:26:59,730
Speaker:
uncovering forbidden knowledge
710
00:26:59,730 –> 00:27:01,490
Speaker:
for both us and for the
711
00:27:01,490 –> 00:27:02,809
Speaker:
Christians that seek answers
712
00:27:02,809 –> 00:27:04,049
Speaker:
from us.
713
00:27:04,049 –> 00:27:07,089
Speaker:
But everyone deserves the truth.
714
00:27:07,089 –> 00:27:10,769
Speaker:
So here’s some truth, okay?
715
00:27:10,769 –> 00:27:14,650
Speaker:
First, a god or deity did not
create the universe.
716
00:27:14,650 –> 00:27:17,450
Speaker:
Spiritual entities are part of
717
00:27:17,450 –> 00:27:19,609
Speaker:
it and developed over time
718
00:27:19,609 –> 00:27:21,630
Speaker:
alongside humanity into what we
719
00:27:21,630 –> 00:27:23,910
Speaker:
heralds like to call the divine
720
00:27:23,910 –> 00:27:25,230
Speaker:
ecosystem.
721
00:27:25,230 –> 00:27:29,069
Speaker:
Much like nature, spiritual
energies have cycles that energy
722
00:27:29,069 –> 00:27:33,190
Speaker:
moves through like a rain cycle
or a food web, thus forming what
723
00:27:33,190 –> 00:27:37,630
Speaker:
we believe to be the other side
of reincarnation, so to speak.
724
00:27:39,029 –> 00:27:40,430
Speaker:
So most of our universe is
725
00:27:40,430 –> 00:27:42,670
Speaker:
comprised of energy, and energy
726
00:27:42,670 –> 00:27:44,750
Speaker:
cannot be created or destroyed,
727
00:27:44,750 –> 00:27:46,349
Speaker:
only transformed.
728
00:27:46,349 –> 00:27:50,029
Speaker:
So the water in your eyes, for
example, could have been rain on
729
00:27:50,029 –> 00:27:54,230
Speaker:
a dinosaur’s back millennia ago
before the first deities.
730
00:27:54,230 –> 00:27:57,230
Speaker:
This was exactly how souls
worked.
731
00:27:57,230 –> 00:27:58,710
Speaker:
A being was born, carrying
732
00:27:58,710 –> 00:28:00,089
Speaker:
enough of the energy of life to
733
00:28:00,089 –> 00:28:00,950
Speaker:
sustain it.
734
00:28:00,950 –> 00:28:03,789
Speaker:
And when it died, that energy
would dissipate back into the
735
00:28:03,789 –> 00:28:08,109
Speaker:
cosmos like drops of water in a
vast ocean for millennia.
736
00:28:08,109 –> 00:28:10,589
Speaker:
This was how our universe
learned about itself.
737
00:28:10,589 –> 00:28:12,230
Speaker:
Every creature and spirit.
738
00:28:12,230 –> 00:28:16,670
Speaker:
Another cell in the enormous
body of our world.
739
00:28:16,670 –> 00:28:17,950
Speaker:
Once the universe had learned
740
00:28:17,950 –> 00:28:19,710
Speaker:
enough creatures of both the
741
00:28:19,710 –> 00:28:21,150
Speaker:
living and the spiritual sides
742
00:28:21,150 –> 00:28:23,079
Speaker:
of our world started to develop
743
00:28:23,079 –> 00:28:25,440
Speaker:
consciousness on our side of the
744
00:28:25,440 –> 00:28:25,799
Speaker:
world.
745
00:28:25,799 –> 00:28:29,319
Speaker:
It’s unsure which consciousness
first arrived.
746
00:28:29,319 –> 00:28:32,200
Speaker:
Like were the dinosaurs capable
of conscious thought?
747
00:28:32,200 –> 00:28:34,240
Speaker:
We don’t really know, do we?
748
00:28:34,240 –> 00:28:38,980
Speaker:
But on the first spiritual
beings, also known as Elohim to
749
00:28:38,980 –> 00:28:44,279
Speaker:
awaken, were beings that we have
taken to calling the watchers.
750
00:28:44,279 –> 00:28:48,259
Speaker:
These beings beheld their world
and ours with awe, and sought to
751
00:28:48,259 –> 00:28:52,359
Speaker:
steward it without influencing
its natural order.
752
00:28:52,359 –> 00:28:53,980
Speaker:
The decision of just how much
753
00:28:53,980 –> 00:28:55,400
Speaker:
intervention would be allowed
754
00:28:55,400 –> 00:28:57,039
Speaker:
was the first schism between the
755
00:28:57,039 –> 00:28:58,200
Speaker:
watchers.
756
00:28:58,200 –> 00:28:59,839
Speaker:
Some wanted to allow our world
757
00:28:59,839 –> 00:29:01,440
Speaker:
to grow completely naturally,
758
00:29:01,440 –> 00:29:02,839
Speaker:
with no influence from them
759
00:29:02,839 –> 00:29:04,200
Speaker:
whatsoever.
760
00:29:04,200 –> 00:29:06,079
Speaker:
Others reasoned that they were
761
00:29:06,079 –> 00:29:07,519
Speaker:
part of this world too, and
762
00:29:07,519 –> 00:29:09,460
Speaker:
therefore they should act to
763
00:29:09,460 –> 00:29:10,759
Speaker:
improve our world where they
764
00:29:10,759 –> 00:29:11,680
Speaker:
can.
765
00:29:11,680 –> 00:29:13,400
Speaker:
Eventually, a compromise was
766
00:29:13,400 –> 00:29:14,980
Speaker:
made, and the watchers agreed to
767
00:29:14,980 –> 00:29:16,920
Speaker:
only influence the physical side
768
00:29:16,920 –> 00:29:18,720
Speaker:
of this world through the
769
00:29:18,720 –> 00:29:20,484
Speaker:
energies that they could access
770
00:29:20,484 –> 00:29:22,450
Speaker:
in the spiritual side, forming
771
00:29:22,450 –> 00:29:23,730
Speaker:
the veil between our
772
00:29:23,730 –> 00:29:24,690
Speaker:
perceptions.
773
00:29:24,690 –> 00:29:27,289
Speaker:
Like, you know, Halloween time,
they say the veil is thin.
774
00:29:27,289 –> 00:29:27,849
Speaker:
That veil.
775
00:29:27,849 –> 00:29:28,289
Speaker:
Okay.
776
00:29:28,289 –> 00:29:29,690
Speaker:
Gotcha.
777
00:29:29,690 –> 00:29:33,329
Speaker:
So when consciousness formed on
earth, an intelligent beings
778
00:29:33,329 –> 00:29:35,410
Speaker:
looked to the skies for answers.
779
00:29:35,410 –> 00:29:38,609
Speaker:
The energy of their wonderment
and worship attracted the
780
00:29:38,609 –> 00:29:42,769
Speaker:
watchers who could sculpt this
energy like a living clay.
781
00:29:42,769 –> 00:29:44,130
Speaker:
From this they designed the
782
00:29:44,130 –> 00:29:46,670
Speaker:
first deities, divine creatures,
783
00:29:46,670 –> 00:29:48,369
Speaker:
who had derived their power from
784
00:29:48,369 –> 00:29:50,390
Speaker:
the worship of their faithful
785
00:29:50,390 –> 00:29:51,210
Speaker:
deities.
786
00:29:51,210 –> 00:29:53,150
Speaker:
And gods, therefore, are just as
787
00:29:53,150 –> 00:29:54,849
Speaker:
flawed as the beings who first
788
00:29:54,849 –> 00:29:56,769
Speaker:
called out for them fallible
789
00:29:56,769 –> 00:29:58,369
Speaker:
creatures that live and die just
790
00:29:58,369 –> 00:30:00,089
Speaker:
like we do, but over a much
791
00:30:00,089 –> 00:30:01,970
Speaker:
grander scale.
792
00:30:01,970 –> 00:30:06,529
Speaker:
If a deity is unable to keep its
people alive, it dies with them.
793
00:30:06,529 –> 00:30:09,170
Speaker:
With no one to worship it, it
will burn through its reserves
794
00:30:09,170 –> 00:30:12,690
Speaker:
of power and eventually die,
scattering like droplets in the
795
00:30:12,690 –> 00:30:16,170
Speaker:
ocean of our universe, just like
a mortal soul does.
796
00:30:16,170 –> 00:30:17,569
Speaker:
All of its memories and
797
00:30:17,569 –> 00:30:18,974
Speaker:
everything it learned becoming
798
00:30:18,974 –> 00:30:20,460
Speaker:
nourishment to our universe
799
00:30:20,460 –> 00:30:22,319
Speaker:
itself that will then one day
800
00:30:22,319 –> 00:30:25,539
Speaker:
cycle back into more life when
801
00:30:25,539 –> 00:30:27,460
Speaker:
living beings started becoming
802
00:30:27,460 –> 00:30:28,380
Speaker:
more intelligent.
803
00:30:28,380 –> 00:30:31,759
Speaker:
The first deities began to
notice a reluctance of souls to
804
00:30:31,759 –> 00:30:35,299
Speaker:
dissipate back into the
universe, the ether, or whatever
805
00:30:35,299 –> 00:30:38,380
Speaker:
you’d like to call it, a will to
stay whole for longer,
806
00:30:38,380 –> 00:30:42,160
Speaker:
foreclosure or on business,
unfinished business, or just to
807
00:30:42,160 –> 00:30:44,059
Speaker:
rest, whatever it may be.
808
00:30:44,059 –> 00:30:46,380
Speaker:
Each had their own reasons.
809
00:30:46,380 –> 00:30:48,099
Speaker:
So many deities began to create
810
00:30:48,099 –> 00:30:50,140
Speaker:
places where these souls of
811
00:30:50,140 –> 00:30:51,819
Speaker:
conscious beings could continue
812
00:30:51,819 –> 00:30:53,940
Speaker:
to exist after death, to process
813
00:30:53,940 –> 00:30:55,460
Speaker:
their lives, and then dissipate
814
00:30:55,460 –> 00:30:56,960
Speaker:
back into the cycle when they
815
00:30:56,960 –> 00:30:58,140
Speaker:
are ready.
816
00:30:58,140 –> 00:31:01,220
Speaker:
Today we call these worlds
afterlives.
817
00:31:01,220 –> 00:31:01,539
Speaker:
Okay.
818
00:31:01,539 –> 00:31:02,660
Speaker:
And which one you get is
819
00:31:02,660 –> 00:31:04,180
Speaker:
completely dependent on which
820
00:31:04,180 –> 00:31:05,619
Speaker:
deities you’ve been in contact
821
00:31:05,619 –> 00:31:06,619
Speaker:
with.
822
00:31:06,619 –> 00:31:08,680
Speaker:
So, for example, there could be
823
00:31:08,680 –> 00:31:10,359
Speaker:
a hell somewhere out there,
824
00:31:10,359 –> 00:31:11,980
Speaker:
though in the original texts it
825
00:31:11,980 –> 00:31:13,420
Speaker:
was actually a neutral place
826
00:31:13,420 –> 00:31:14,180
Speaker:
called Sheol.
827
00:31:14,180 –> 00:31:16,740
Speaker:
But that’s beside the point.
828
00:31:16,740 –> 00:31:20,230
Speaker:
Either way, if it exists, the
only souls in danger of
829
00:31:20,230 –> 00:31:23,430
Speaker:
experiencing it are the ones who
entrust themselves to the deity
830
00:31:23,430 –> 00:31:25,029
Speaker:
responsible for it.
831
00:31:25,029 –> 00:31:26,869
Speaker:
Okay, so for example, if you
832
00:31:26,869 –> 00:31:29,609
Speaker:
want to reach Valhalla, you need
833
00:31:29,609 –> 00:31:31,630
Speaker:
only devote yourself to Odin and
834
00:31:31,630 –> 00:31:32,970
Speaker:
then meet his requirements to
835
00:31:32,970 –> 00:31:33,670
Speaker:
get there.
836
00:31:33,670 –> 00:31:35,630
Speaker:
He may just hear you.
837
00:31:35,630 –> 00:31:40,390
Speaker:
If he still exists, souls can
spend thousands of years or just
838
00:31:40,390 –> 00:31:42,269
Speaker:
a little while in afterlives.
839
00:31:42,269 –> 00:31:43,710
Speaker:
There, they continue to worship
840
00:31:43,710 –> 00:31:45,670
Speaker:
their deity, and in return they
841
00:31:45,670 –> 00:31:47,309
Speaker:
can live on in the sacred place
842
00:31:47,309 –> 00:31:48,670
Speaker:
their gods have prepared for
843
00:31:48,670 –> 00:31:49,430
Speaker:
them.
844
00:31:49,430 –> 00:31:51,509
Speaker:
Most souls arrive believing that
845
00:31:51,509 –> 00:31:53,069
Speaker:
they will stay forever, but
846
00:31:53,069 –> 00:31:55,869
Speaker:
forever is just so long, and a
847
00:31:55,869 –> 00:31:57,430
Speaker:
conscious soul will eventually
848
00:31:57,430 –> 00:31:59,230
Speaker:
feel the need to move on, even
849
00:31:59,230 –> 00:32:00,829
Speaker:
from Paradise.
850
00:32:00,829 –> 00:32:03,890
Speaker:
When the time is right, deities
eventually allow souls to
851
00:32:03,890 –> 00:32:06,829
Speaker:
dissipate back into the vast
ocean of the energies that make
852
00:32:06,829 –> 00:32:10,349
Speaker:
up our world to become one with
the divine and be whole.
853
00:32:10,349 –> 00:32:13,750
Speaker:
To scatter across the universe
and restart the cycle anew as
854
00:32:13,750 –> 00:32:17,369
Speaker:
part of thousands of different
new beings and new lives.
855
00:32:17,369 –> 00:32:18,529
Speaker:
Oh, there’s my bird.
856
00:32:18,529 –> 00:32:20,609
Speaker:
And this wonderful cycle is how
857
00:32:20,609 –> 00:32:22,890
Speaker:
our universe grows as a macro
858
00:32:22,890 –> 00:32:25,089
Speaker:
organism and how it experiences
859
00:32:25,089 –> 00:32:26,009
Speaker:
itself.
860
00:32:27,009 –> 00:32:27,650
Speaker:
Wow.
861
00:32:29,049 –> 00:32:29,970
Speaker:
Right.
862
00:32:29,970 –> 00:32:31,529
Speaker:
That’s kind of mind blowing.
863
00:32:31,529 –> 00:32:32,690
Speaker:
Um. Yeah, that’s.
864
00:32:32,690 –> 00:32:33,329
Speaker:
Thank you.
865
00:32:33,329 –> 00:32:34,289
Speaker:
Very well spoken.
866
00:32:34,289 –> 00:32:35,130
Speaker:
Very well said.
867
00:32:35,130 –> 00:32:35,809
Speaker:
Because you did.
868
00:32:35,809 –> 00:32:36,809
Speaker:
You did a great job.
869
00:32:36,809 –> 00:32:37,170
Speaker:
Thank you.
870
00:32:37,170 –> 00:32:37,730
Speaker:
I wrote it down.
871
00:32:37,730 –> 00:32:38,490
Speaker:
I wrote it down.
872
00:32:38,490 –> 00:32:39,970
Speaker:
But you did a great job.
873
00:32:39,970 –> 00:32:42,210
Speaker:
Well, I guess what would you say
to the community?
874
00:32:42,210 –> 00:32:44,730
Speaker:
What do you what would you like
them to know about your group?
875
00:32:44,730 –> 00:32:47,289
Speaker:
Are there any misconceptions you
want to correct?
876
00:32:47,289 –> 00:32:49,470
Speaker:
Or if you if you could talk to
the community around you and
877
00:32:49,470 –> 00:32:51,789
Speaker:
like, just give them a message,
what would you like to say to
878
00:32:51,789 –> 00:32:55,230
Speaker:
them for someone listening who
may listen to my podcast for
879
00:32:55,230 –> 00:32:57,710
Speaker:
paranormal stuff or true crime,
and they’re hearing this like,
880
00:32:57,710 –> 00:32:59,730
Speaker:
oh, I’ve never heard of this,
but what would you like them to
881
00:32:59,730 –> 00:33:00,890
Speaker:
know about your group?
882
00:33:02,250 –> 00:33:06,089
Speaker:
Um, I would like to say that we
mean no harm.
883
00:33:06,089 –> 00:33:09,809
Speaker:
Most first and foremost, we mean
no harm.
884
00:33:09,809 –> 00:33:19,819
Speaker:
We’re not here to be forceful or
Um, dogmatic or, uh, controlling
885
00:33:19,819 –> 00:33:20,660
Speaker:
in any way.
886
00:33:20,660 –> 00:33:23,660
Speaker:
We seek only to set people free
887
00:33:23,660 –> 00:33:26,000
Speaker:
from things that have, uh,
888
00:33:26,000 –> 00:33:27,460
Speaker:
weighed them down for far too
889
00:33:27,460 –> 00:33:27,779
Speaker:
long.
890
00:33:27,779 –> 00:33:29,339
Speaker:
And if you don’t feel weighed
891
00:33:29,339 –> 00:33:32,259
Speaker:
down by anything, then you,
892
00:33:32,259 –> 00:33:32,900
Speaker:
you’re good.
893
00:33:32,900 –> 00:33:34,819
Speaker:
You know, you don’t, right?
894
00:33:34,819 –> 00:33:36,259
Speaker:
You don’t need to.
895
00:33:36,259 –> 00:33:38,859
Speaker:
You don’t need to change
anything if you don’t want to.
896
00:33:38,859 –> 00:33:40,259
Speaker:
That’s all up to you.
897
00:33:40,259 –> 00:33:43,299
Speaker:
If our you know, sometimes our
898
00:33:43,299 –> 00:33:45,380
Speaker:
message and our stuff helps
899
00:33:45,380 –> 00:33:46,420
Speaker:
people.
900
00:33:46,420 –> 00:33:47,819
Speaker:
And that’s what we’re here to
do.
901
00:33:47,819 –> 00:33:51,240
Speaker:
We’re here to make the world a
better place and help people to
902
00:33:51,240 –> 00:33:58,180
Speaker:
learn and grow and embrace the
true, like, vibrant, beautiful
903
00:33:58,180 –> 00:34:01,339
Speaker:
self that they always had the
chance to be.
904
00:34:01,339 –> 00:34:01,859
Speaker:
You know?
905
00:34:01,859 –> 00:34:03,619
Speaker:
And if that’s with our
906
00:34:03,619 –> 00:34:05,640
Speaker:
organization, more power to
907
00:34:05,640 –> 00:34:05,859
Speaker:
them.
908
00:34:05,859 –> 00:34:07,900
Speaker:
If not, blessed be.
909
00:34:07,900 –> 00:34:09,099
Speaker:
I hope you have a good day.
910
00:34:09,099 –> 00:34:13,099
Speaker:
You know, it’s not any sort of
we’re not like, hey, come here.
911
00:34:13,099 –> 00:34:14,630
Speaker:
One of us, One of us, you know.
912
00:34:14,630 –> 00:34:15,429
Speaker:
Right.
913
00:34:15,429 –> 00:34:18,909
Speaker:
Though we do make that joke a
lot because it’s hilarious.
914
00:34:18,909 –> 00:34:20,670
Speaker:
I think I would too.
915
00:34:20,670 –> 00:34:22,829
Speaker:
We jokingly call it a cult as
well.
916
00:34:22,829 –> 00:34:26,750
Speaker:
Like we it’s the, the, the humor
917
00:34:26,750 –> 00:34:29,269
Speaker:
within the heralds is just top
918
00:34:29,269 –> 00:34:29,750
Speaker:
notch.
919
00:34:29,750 –> 00:34:32,309
Speaker:
We, we joke about everything.
920
00:34:32,309 –> 00:34:33,230
Speaker:
I think that’s the best way to
921
00:34:33,230 –> 00:34:34,670
Speaker:
deal with a lot of, uh, with a
922
00:34:34,670 –> 00:34:36,030
Speaker:
lot of stressful situations is
923
00:34:36,030 –> 00:34:36,510
Speaker:
humor.
924
00:34:36,510 –> 00:34:38,750
Speaker:
And that’s, that’s exactly,
exactly.
925
00:34:38,750 –> 00:34:41,590
Speaker:
It’s hard to, to attack someone
who’s being funny.
926
00:34:41,590 –> 00:34:42,230
Speaker:
A lot of times.
927
00:34:42,230 –> 00:34:43,829
Speaker:
Absolutely, absolutely.
928
00:34:43,829 –> 00:34:47,030
Speaker:
And we, we’ve actually leaned,
leaned, leant.
929
00:34:47,030 –> 00:34:48,989
Speaker:
We lean into it quite a bit.
930
00:34:48,989 –> 00:34:51,750
Speaker:
Um, especially like, because we
get attacked a lot.
931
00:34:51,750 –> 00:34:52,650
Speaker:
I don’t want to say attacked
932
00:34:52,650 –> 00:34:53,690
Speaker:
like physically, but like
933
00:34:53,690 –> 00:34:56,710
Speaker:
verbally, uh, verbally assaulted
934
00:34:56,710 –> 00:34:58,429
Speaker:
by militant Christians quite a
935
00:34:58,429 –> 00:34:59,469
Speaker:
bit.
936
00:34:59,469 –> 00:35:03,309
Speaker:
And so we’ve, we’ve developed a
strategy of, instead of engaging
937
00:35:03,309 –> 00:35:08,170
Speaker:
with them and trying to debate
them on theology and philosophy,
938
00:35:08,170 –> 00:35:12,639
Speaker:
um, which we can, like, we have
specific Bible verses and things
939
00:35:12,639 –> 00:35:14,679
Speaker:
where we can be like, actually,
this is what it says.
940
00:35:14,679 –> 00:35:16,360
Speaker:
And you don’t know what you’re
talking about.
941
00:35:16,360 –> 00:35:21,039
Speaker:
Um, but even if you school them
on their own theology, they’ll
942
00:35:21,039 –> 00:35:22,159
Speaker:
just keep talking.
943
00:35:22,159 –> 00:35:26,079
Speaker:
They just the, the goal I find
is not to have a conversation.
944
00:35:26,079 –> 00:35:28,199
Speaker:
It’s to exhaust you.
945
00:35:28,199 –> 00:35:32,199
Speaker:
Um, so we’ve started doing silly
jokes at them instead.
946
00:35:32,199 –> 00:35:35,199
Speaker:
So if they’re like, oh, we
rebuke you in the name of the
947
00:35:35,199 –> 00:35:37,960
Speaker:
Lord, we just go like, oh my God
can beat up your God.
948
00:35:39,639 –> 00:35:41,079
Speaker:
Like my dad can beat up your
dad.
949
00:35:41,079 –> 00:35:43,639
Speaker:
You know, we even have a shirt
that has it on it.
950
00:35:43,639 –> 00:35:45,079
Speaker:
I shit you not.
951
00:35:45,079 –> 00:35:45,480
Speaker:
Yeah.
952
00:35:45,480 –> 00:35:46,599
Speaker:
It’s hard to come back from
953
00:35:46,599 –> 00:35:47,599
Speaker:
because they’re expecting some
954
00:35:47,599 –> 00:35:48,639
Speaker:
sort of, you know, other
955
00:35:48,639 –> 00:35:49,159
Speaker:
response.
956
00:35:49,159 –> 00:35:50,119
Speaker:
And it’s hard to come back when
957
00:35:50,119 –> 00:35:51,019
Speaker:
somebody’s being, you know,
958
00:35:51,019 –> 00:35:51,679
Speaker:
honestly funny.
959
00:35:51,679 –> 00:35:54,280
Speaker:
But I like that usually we’re
960
00:35:54,280 –> 00:35:56,639
Speaker:
very kind and very accepting and
961
00:35:56,639 –> 00:35:57,679
Speaker:
forgoing and whatnot, but
962
00:35:57,679 –> 00:35:58,780
Speaker:
sometimes you can just tell
963
00:35:58,780 –> 00:36:00,199
Speaker:
someone’s coming forth with bad
964
00:36:00,199 –> 00:36:01,519
Speaker:
faith and we just don’t accept
965
00:36:01,519 –> 00:36:01,719
Speaker:
that.
966
00:36:01,719 –> 00:36:03,800
Speaker:
It’s like fighting with somebody
in the YouTube comment section.
967
00:36:03,800 –> 00:36:06,119
Speaker:
It’s like you’re just wasting
your time because no one’s
968
00:36:06,119 –> 00:36:08,320
Speaker:
changing their mind, and you’re
just gonna have two idiots
969
00:36:08,320 –> 00:36:10,159
Speaker:
yelling at each other and no
one’s no one.
970
00:36:10,159 –> 00:36:11,860
Speaker:
It’s just, it’s just bad energy.
971
00:36:11,860 –> 00:36:16,139
Speaker:
So sometimes humor is just the
best way to, to deal with that.
972
00:36:16,139 –> 00:36:20,840
Speaker:
And like I grew up as the only
pagan kid in a Bible belt town,
973
00:36:20,840 –> 00:36:25,739
Speaker:
you best believe I have seen the
ugliest of the ugly as far as
974
00:36:25,739 –> 00:36:26,860
Speaker:
Christians can be.
975
00:36:26,860 –> 00:36:31,380
Speaker:
Like I I’ve got stories on
stories on stories, on stories
976
00:36:31,380 –> 00:36:32,739
Speaker:
of how awful.
977
00:36:32,739 –> 00:36:34,579
Speaker:
Like there’s so many Christians
978
00:36:34,579 –> 00:36:36,139
Speaker:
that are so oh, we accept
979
00:36:36,139 –> 00:36:36,579
Speaker:
everyone.
980
00:36:36,579 –> 00:36:37,460
Speaker:
We love everybody.
981
00:36:37,460 –> 00:36:40,019
Speaker:
But then the moment a
non-Christian is in their midst,
982
00:36:40,019 –> 00:36:41,820
Speaker:
they just turn.
983
00:36:41,820 –> 00:36:42,940
Speaker:
You don’t seem to be a threat to
984
00:36:42,940 –> 00:36:44,119
Speaker:
the community or anything of
985
00:36:44,119 –> 00:36:44,699
Speaker:
that nature.
986
00:36:44,699 –> 00:36:49,460
Speaker:
You seem like you have no, no,
no. In fact, we we’re actively
987
00:36:49,460 –> 00:36:52,179
Speaker:
looking at, um, doing things to
help the community.
988
00:36:52,179 –> 00:36:56,199
Speaker:
Like right now, we don’t have a
huge budget or anything, but we
989
00:36:56,199 –> 00:36:58,940
Speaker:
help where we can, we donate to
like food pantries.
990
00:36:58,940 –> 00:37:02,539
Speaker:
We help people like on an
individual basis.
991
00:37:02,539 –> 00:37:06,739
Speaker:
Um, when there’s big storms, I
often, uh, because we live in
992
00:37:06,739 –> 00:37:10,590
Speaker:
kind of a tornado alley type
area when there’s a big storm.
993
00:37:10,590 –> 00:37:13,030
Speaker:
I let Harold shelter in my
basement.
994
00:37:13,030 –> 00:37:16,630
Speaker:
There’s a Planned Parenthood
nearby.
995
00:37:16,630 –> 00:37:20,070
Speaker:
Um, not super nearby, but it’s
within about an hour drive.
996
00:37:20,070 –> 00:37:24,510
Speaker:
And often militant Christians
will show up there and be just
997
00:37:24,510 –> 00:37:26,590
Speaker:
really rude to the people that
are coming in and out, whether
998
00:37:26,590 –> 00:37:29,710
Speaker:
or not they’re there for any
sort of like, abortion thing.
999
00:37:29,710 –> 00:37:31,469
Speaker:
Um, we’ve been thinking of as a
1000
00:37:31,469 –> 00:37:33,670
Speaker:
group going, uh, and dressing
1001
00:37:33,670 –> 00:37:35,269
Speaker:
up, uh, because we always dress
1002
00:37:35,269 –> 00:37:37,349
Speaker:
up when we go out as a group and
1003
00:37:37,349 –> 00:37:38,710
Speaker:
just messing with those people,
1004
00:37:38,710 –> 00:37:40,389
Speaker:
just distracting them so that
1005
00:37:40,389 –> 00:37:42,469
Speaker:
the people who need their actual
1006
00:37:42,469 –> 00:37:43,710
Speaker:
health care can get what they
1007
00:37:43,710 –> 00:37:44,630
Speaker:
need done.
1008
00:37:44,630 –> 00:37:46,630
Speaker:
And we, we’ve, um, even just
1009
00:37:46,630 –> 00:37:48,710
Speaker:
this last event that we did, uh,
1010
00:37:48,710 –> 00:37:52,269
Speaker:
we were invited to some, um, no
1011
00:37:52,269 –> 00:37:53,869
Speaker:
kings rallies as a group, which
1012
00:37:53,869 –> 00:37:55,309
Speaker:
is really, really cool, really
1013
00:37:55,309 –> 00:37:56,190
Speaker:
exciting.
1014
00:37:56,190 –> 00:37:58,949
Speaker:
I don’t know if we’re going to
go to that specifically because
1015
00:37:58,949 –> 00:38:02,510
Speaker:
I want to research, um, the
people who are running it first
1016
00:38:02,510 –> 00:38:06,230
Speaker:
because I like to make sure
everything’s good all the way
1017
00:38:06,230 –> 00:38:07,269
Speaker:
down, you know?
1018
00:38:07,269 –> 00:38:08,559
Speaker:
Yeah.
1019
00:38:08,559 –> 00:38:12,400
Speaker:
So you all do you get involved
politically then, and do you
1020
00:38:12,400 –> 00:38:15,480
Speaker:
accept people from all sides of
the political spectrum, or do
1021
00:38:15,480 –> 00:38:19,119
Speaker:
you just generally have one type
of belief system in your group,
1022
00:38:19,119 –> 00:38:20,880
Speaker:
or how does that work exactly?
1023
00:38:20,880 –> 00:38:25,099
Speaker:
In principle, we accept, um,
pretty much everybody, but there
1024
00:38:25,099 –> 00:38:27,000
Speaker:
there’s, there’s limits to that.
1025
00:38:27,000 –> 00:38:29,000
Speaker:
Like, for example, if you see
1026
00:38:29,000 –> 00:38:30,360
Speaker:
that the president is in the
1027
00:38:30,360 –> 00:38:31,800
Speaker:
Epstein files and then still
1028
00:38:31,800 –> 00:38:34,480
Speaker:
voted for him, like maybe, maybe
1029
00:38:34,480 –> 00:38:35,860
Speaker:
I don’t want to be your friend,
1030
00:38:35,860 –> 00:38:37,079
Speaker:
you know?
1031
00:38:37,079 –> 00:38:37,480
Speaker:
Okay.
1032
00:38:37,480 –> 00:38:38,360
Speaker:
Right, right.
1033
00:38:38,360 –> 00:38:41,659
Speaker:
And that’s, that’s something
personal that we try not to
1034
00:38:41,659 –> 00:38:45,239
Speaker:
discuss too much because we
don’t want to turn anyone away.
1035
00:38:45,239 –> 00:38:49,800
Speaker:
But like, if, if you’re saying,
oh, like we should send more
1036
00:38:49,800 –> 00:38:53,320
Speaker:
money to Israel to blow up
little children in Gaza, like
1037
00:38:53,320 –> 00:38:56,239
Speaker:
maybe, maybe you can leave like,
like we just try to be
1038
00:38:56,239 –> 00:38:57,559
Speaker:
reasonable about it.
1039
00:38:57,559 –> 00:39:01,119
Speaker:
You know, most religions are
against wars in general.
1040
00:39:01,119 –> 00:39:03,119
Speaker:
Well, I guess if the history of
them.
1041
00:39:03,119 –> 00:39:05,000
Speaker:
That’s not true, but you’d think
1042
00:39:05,000 –> 00:39:06,199
Speaker:
that they would want peace in
1043
00:39:06,199 –> 00:39:06,679
Speaker:
the world.
1044
00:39:06,679 –> 00:39:09,050
Speaker:
But it doesn’t really pan out
that way a lot of times.
1045
00:39:09,050 –> 00:39:10,010
Speaker:
That’s actually something we
1046
00:39:10,010 –> 00:39:11,170
Speaker:
talk about too, which is really
1047
00:39:11,170 –> 00:39:12,409
Speaker:
interesting.
1048
00:39:12,409 –> 00:39:16,269
Speaker:
Um, because if you look back in
old scripture, the God of
1049
00:39:16,269 –> 00:39:19,769
Speaker:
Christianity, the God of Islam
and the God of Judaism are all
1050
00:39:19,769 –> 00:39:20,690
Speaker:
the same God.
1051
00:39:20,690 –> 00:39:25,429
Speaker:
So if you put those all together
and think of it on like, okay,
1052
00:39:25,429 –> 00:39:27,050
Speaker:
how are all of these correct?
1053
00:39:27,050 –> 00:39:29,889
Speaker:
That would mean that one, God
1054
00:39:29,889 –> 00:39:30,969
Speaker:
took a bunch of different
1055
00:39:30,969 –> 00:39:32,650
Speaker:
prophets, told them all
1056
00:39:32,650 –> 00:39:34,969
Speaker:
conflicting information, and was
1057
00:39:34,969 –> 00:39:36,130
Speaker:
like, hey, you guys all need to
1058
00:39:36,130 –> 00:39:37,769
Speaker:
go kill each other in my name,
1059
00:39:37,769 –> 00:39:39,329
Speaker:
which killing someone in the
1060
00:39:39,329 –> 00:39:42,130
Speaker:
name of a god is literally human
1061
00:39:42,130 –> 00:39:43,170
Speaker:
sacrifice.
1062
00:39:43,170 –> 00:39:45,570
Speaker:
So it’s like, it’s like this
1063
00:39:45,570 –> 00:39:46,769
Speaker:
deity just ate a bunch of
1064
00:39:46,769 –> 00:39:47,130
Speaker:
people.
1065
00:39:47,130 –> 00:39:48,070
Speaker:
That’s basically what
1066
00:39:48,070 –> 00:39:49,530
Speaker:
effectively happened, and it’s
1067
00:39:49,530 –> 00:39:50,610
Speaker:
terrifying.
1068
00:39:50,610 –> 00:39:53,610
Speaker:
If someone were interested in
your group and wanted to learn
1069
00:39:53,610 –> 00:39:56,550
Speaker:
more, where would you suggest
that they reach out or you know,
1070
00:39:56,550 –> 00:39:57,369
Speaker:
what would they do?
1071
00:39:57,369 –> 00:40:01,969
Speaker:
Uh, the website, we have a, um,
a join form and a contact form
1072
00:40:01,969 –> 00:40:03,489
Speaker:
on our website.
1073
00:40:03,489 –> 00:40:08,110
Speaker:
Um, we have a discord server
that members get access to, as
1074
00:40:08,110 –> 00:40:10,329
Speaker:
long as they’re over the age of
eighteen, because we don’t want
1075
00:40:10,329 –> 00:40:11,789
Speaker:
any minors in a discord server.
1076
00:40:11,789 –> 00:40:13,869
Speaker:
That’s just the worst thing that
you can do on the internet.
1077
00:40:13,869 –> 00:40:16,469
Speaker:
That’s like immediate
cancellation on the internet.
1078
00:40:16,469 –> 00:40:20,190
Speaker:
Um, so all of our eighteen plus
members can go into our discord
1079
00:40:20,190 –> 00:40:24,670
Speaker:
where we talk and hang out and
post silly memes and things.
1080
00:40:24,670 –> 00:40:26,630
Speaker:
Um, and a lot of in-person
1081
00:40:26,630 –> 00:40:28,190
Speaker:
heralds don’t know this because
1082
00:40:28,190 –> 00:40:30,170
Speaker:
it’s, it’s kind of like a silly
1083
00:40:30,170 –> 00:40:31,389
Speaker:
fun thing.
1084
00:40:31,389 –> 00:40:34,469
Speaker:
Um, but I also do, uh, live
streaming.
1085
00:40:34,469 –> 00:40:39,670
Speaker:
I have like a VTuber model, um,
of the outfit that like of
1086
00:40:39,670 –> 00:40:43,789
Speaker:
myself in the outfit that I wear
when I do in-person meetings.
1087
00:40:43,789 –> 00:40:45,309
Speaker:
And I do like little online
1088
00:40:45,309 –> 00:40:47,230
Speaker:
services and things, but it’s,
1089
00:40:47,230 –> 00:40:49,369
Speaker:
it’s a much more casual type
1090
00:40:49,369 –> 00:40:50,269
Speaker:
thing.
1091
00:40:50,269 –> 00:40:52,269
Speaker:
Um, a lot of the in-person
1092
00:40:52,269 –> 00:40:53,789
Speaker:
heralds and the online heralds
1093
00:40:53,789 –> 00:40:55,710
Speaker:
don’t really, the two groups
1094
00:40:55,710 –> 00:40:57,550
Speaker:
don’t overlap a lot, but there
1095
00:40:57,550 –> 00:40:58,510
Speaker:
is overlap.
1096
00:40:58,510 –> 00:40:59,889
Speaker:
I try not to push that as much
1097
00:40:59,889 –> 00:41:01,150
Speaker:
though, because it’s, like I
1098
00:41:01,150 –> 00:41:02,550
Speaker:
said, it’s very casual and
1099
00:41:02,550 –> 00:41:03,730
Speaker:
sometimes it’s just me like
1100
00:41:03,730 –> 00:41:05,079
Speaker:
playing video games and goofing
1101
00:41:05,079 –> 00:41:05,360
Speaker:
off.
1102
00:41:05,360 –> 00:41:08,280
Speaker:
Like it’s it’s it’s just to
spend more time with each other.
1103
00:41:08,280 –> 00:41:09,679
Speaker:
Just you being you kind of a
thing.
1104
00:41:09,679 –> 00:41:10,320
Speaker:
Yeah.
1105
00:41:10,320 –> 00:41:12,519
Speaker:
Necessarily the profit
necessarily.
1106
00:41:12,519 –> 00:41:13,360
Speaker:
Yeah.
1107
00:41:13,360 –> 00:41:16,900
Speaker:
But like, on our last show that
we did our last, I guess
1108
00:41:16,900 –> 00:41:20,719
Speaker:
episode, I did go over the
website as a whole and answer
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00:41:20,719 –> 00:41:21,599
Speaker:
questions and things.
1110
00:41:21,599 –> 00:41:24,559
Speaker:
So. And like I said, I mean,
this isn’t like an endorsement
1111
00:41:24,559 –> 00:41:25,400
Speaker:
of your group or anything.
1112
00:41:25,400 –> 00:41:28,400
Speaker:
I’m just kind of, I’m just
naturally a curious person.
1113
00:41:28,400 –> 00:41:29,960
Speaker:
And I was very curious.
1114
00:41:29,960 –> 00:41:31,079
Speaker:
And you’ve answered a lot of my
1115
00:41:31,079 –> 00:41:32,079
Speaker:
questions and I really
1116
00:41:32,079 –> 00:41:33,559
Speaker:
appreciate you taking your time
1117
00:41:33,559 –> 00:41:35,280
Speaker:
to, to talk to me today about
1118
00:41:35,280 –> 00:41:35,519
Speaker:
that.
1119
00:41:35,519 –> 00:41:37,840
Speaker:
No problem, no problem.
1120
00:41:37,840 –> 00:41:40,159
Speaker:
And that brings this episode to
a close.
1121
00:41:40,159 –> 00:41:41,800
Speaker:
Thank you again for listening.
1122
00:41:41,800 –> 00:41:44,199
Speaker:
And until next time, take care.

