Heralds of the Ascendant

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You may or may not have heard

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about this mysterious group in

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southern Illinois.

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A lot of people call it a cult.

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Others know almost nothing about
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And at the center of the group
is its anonymous founder, known

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only as the prophet.

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I came across this group while
doing research online for other

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episodes for the podcast.

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But the more I looked into it,
the more elusive it seemed.

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There were all kinds of rumors

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and bits of information online,

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and a lot of speculation, but

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very little.

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That gave me a real sense of who
these people were.

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I wanted to know if there really
was a cult in Southern Illinois,

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and if so, was it in some way a
cause for concern?

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So I took a chance and reached
out to someone who claimed to be

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a member of the group on Reddit.

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I was looking for answers, but I
never imagined that one message

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would lead to a direct contact
with the leader of the

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mysterious group called Heralds
of the Ascendant.

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I’m Matt Deig, and in this
episode of River City Mystery.

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You’ll hear my conversation with
the group’s anonymous leader

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known as the prophet.

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I see two horribly hideous
looking little dog like

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creatures in this house.

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It was a disembodied voice.

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It was like a little child
trying to scare us.

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I don’t know what this was.

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I I’ve I’ve heard everything you
can think of.

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This was nothing I’m ever
accustomed to.

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Ever.

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It was terrifying because it was
like our.

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There were so many people to

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where it was like, are we all

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seeing this?

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So everybody is scared.

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The kids are crying.

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The women don’t.

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You know June’s about to lose
it.

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And what are they to do?

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These things will not die.

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Welcome back to another episode
of River City Mystery.

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Glad you’re here.

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I, uh, I didn’t know which intro
music to use.

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My wife had suggested having an

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intro that for my true crime

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podcasts, and then another intro

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for my paranormal related

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podcasts.

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This one doesn’t really fall
into either category, and I

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wasn’t going to make a whole
intro for cult related things,

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so the paranormal one will just
have to do.

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Um, this episode is a little
different than my normal

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episodes, but this is a topic
I’ve been kind of researching on

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my own for a while now, and I’ve
really just wanted to dig in and

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see what this was all about.

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This, this group called heralds
of the ascendant.

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So it’s not an endorsement of
the group or I’m not encouraging

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people to, to join cults or
anything of that nature.

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I’m just a curious person and
wanted to know more about it.

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And with that, I want to welcome
the prophet to the show.

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Thank you for joining me.

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And, um, I’ve been wanting to
learn more about your group for

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a long time now, actually.

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Oh, really?

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Do tell.

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I loved hearing people’s
experiences and learning about

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us and stuff.

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Well, I mean, I don’t know much
about you, except that, um, I as

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part of my podcast, I’m always
kind of doing research and

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things of that nature as far as
like groups in the area,

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anything mysterious or unknown.

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And I’d always come across like
cults and cult discussions.

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People were saying, oh, there’s
these strange people.

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Not maybe not strange people,
but people approaching me in

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Walmart parking lots.

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And I think there’s a cult in
southern Illinois.

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And I would do research, but it
wasn’t.

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There really was never anything

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out there specifically about

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your group and except for your

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website.

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And finally I found out the name

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of your group was heralds of the

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ascendant.

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And but I really know nothing
more other than that.

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And there’s these rumors of
you’re this cult in southern

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Illinois and just a lot of the
stuff on Reddit.

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And I’m like, I like to do my
own independent research and

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hear from the source.

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I don’t want to just hear, you
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saying on Reddit for, you know,
this truth, right?

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Which I appreciate so much
because so many people just see

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like, is this a cult?

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And then that’s, that’s it.

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That’s the end of it.

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Oh, I bet so.

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And then and full disclosure, I
reached out to you.

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You didn’t reach out to me, so I
and I appreciate you accepting

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the offer because, I mean, you
didn’t have to.

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And it’s a great opportunity
because we need more press.

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So it’s it’s a win win.

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Absolutely.

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And I really appreciate it as
well.

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I guess we’ll just start off

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with what exactly is heralds of

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the ascendant.

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So we are first and foremost, um
a new faith.

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We could also be considered like
a pagan church, I suppose.

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And we more than anything seek

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to make the world a better

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place.

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Uh, almost every herald has

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experienced some sort of toxic

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faith practices, uh, in some

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way.

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And religious abuse and
extremism is something that we

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recognize as one of the largest
sources of our world’s problems,

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especially here in America.

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So we educate about ethical
faith practices and providing a

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space where people can engage in
faith without being exploited or

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extorted, abused, you know, all
that fun stuff that comes with a

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lot of modern churches.

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Um, not all of them, of course.

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Obligatory, not all of them.

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But it as as many on the

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internet say it was fucking one

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is um.

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Right, right.

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Uh, our doctrine works towards

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the purpose of like, making the

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world a better place as far as

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religion goes.

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And in general, uh, we give

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people, it helps people to get

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out of more toxic groups in a

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way.

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Um, because a lot of, a lot of

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the time when someone is in an

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actual abusive cult environment,

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one of the things that keeps

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them from getting out is that

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once they step out of the group,

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all the magic in their world is

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lost.

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You know, there’s no longer some
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you so much.

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It just all becomes mundane.

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And that that is a huge barrier
of exiting for a lot of people

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who are in cults.

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So we.

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Our doctrine Encompasses almost
every religion of every faith.

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And in that way, we’re able to
not say so much of you were

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stupid, and we’re going to get
you out of here.

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Instead, we say you’ve been lied
to and we’re here to help.

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So we’re kind of like an
anti-cult cult.

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Like we have our own doctrine.

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Mhm.

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But at the same time, we help

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people to get out of bad

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religious groups and, uh, teach

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about ethical faith practices

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and how to live a healthy life,

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including faith.

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And, uh, we have like internal,
um, I want to say fail safes for

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because, you know, absolute
power corrupts absolutely.

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So we have a lot of checks and
balances within the organization

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as well, uh, to keep us from
falling down the rabbit hole of

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any kind of icky culty stuff.

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And why do you think people
think that you are a cult?

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Like, why is that a A perception
out there that you are.

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Um, I think well, one is
definitely because there are two

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definitions of the word cult.

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There’s, of course, the

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Jonestown type cult where it’s,

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um, you know, abusive and

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exploitative and all that lovely

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stuff, um, with lovely endings

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there.

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Absolutely.

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And then there’s the, I don’t

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want to say original meaning,

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but the more classical meaning

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of just any new religion, i.e.

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like the cult of Dionysus, the

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cult of Hera, the cult of

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Astarte.

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Mhm.

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Um, it can just mean any new
religion.

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So in that form, we are indeed
under that label.

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Um, it’s also probably because
we, when we do public

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appearances, we, uh, we like to
get theatrical with it.

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We like to dress up, we like to
go full regalia and, um, it’s,

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it’s, it’s both because it helps
people to, um, feel the magic of

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what we’re doing.

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It helps people to express
themselves in a radical way that

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they may not have been able to
before, which is very much a

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part of what we do.

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Um, but it’s also because it, it
gets people talking, it gets

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eyes on us, you know, um, and in
another way, we like, we, um, I

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think we’ve co-opted a lot of
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Catholic, but a lot of like
cathedral type imagery.

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Um, because a lot of our members

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have religious trauma from the

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Catholic Church or the Christian

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church.

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And for them, that can feel like

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taking back what was lost in a

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way.

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What exactly is religious trauma

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or what would be an example of

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religious trauma.

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Exactly.

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Um, well, I’m not at liberty to

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tell you any of my Harold

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specific traumas, but I could

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tell you one of mine if you

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would like.

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Well, sure.

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So, um, one of my many religious

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traumas, uh, when I was very,

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very young.

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I’m talking like maybe five,
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It’s hazy when the executive.

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The exact memory was, but, um,
I, I went to church with some

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neighborhood kids just because I
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cookies with the other kids and
have a good time.

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I didn’t mind that we were
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what a fun story that was.

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Um, one day when I went to this
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parents had no warning of this.

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We had no warning of this.

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We had no idea this was going to
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Normally we would go into the
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the big amphitheater area for a
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teacher would arrive, herd us
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We would have cookies and
Kool-Aid and talk about Jesus.

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Or a Bible story or whatever.

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This was not what happened that
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This day we didn’t get to play
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And they all seemed angry.

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And they mushed us into this

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room, and they put us all in

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this little bitty room with this

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guy who was dressed in what I

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could only describe as like

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rags.

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Um, he smelled he smelled
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I remember that very vividly.

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Um, normally we all sat in these

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cute, comfy little pillow

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chairs.

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We weren’t allowed to sit this
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And over the course of like, I
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while we were stuck in there
with this man who I think we

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were locked in there, like the
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there with us.

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It was just us and him.

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Oh my God.

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He told us all that we were
going to die tomorrow, and he

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wrote down the tomorrow’s date
on our hands.

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Um, and being a little terrified
little child, I was like, how

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are we gonna die tomorrow?

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Yeah.

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And he said, exactly like Jesus
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And then he proceeded to tell us
all of the tortures and horrible

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things that Jesus went through.

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this, we were all screaming and

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crying and freaking out and

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pounding on the walls, trying to

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get out.

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One of us, uh, one kid tried to
tackle him.

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You know, I think I bit him at
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Like, we were scared.

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We believed him.

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I think I got in huge trouble

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for biting him, if I remember

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correctly.

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Um, but.

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No, but at the end of it, at the
end of it, he, like, took a wet

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wipe and wiped the numbers off
of our hands and told us that

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Jesus had saved us.

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Um, but we were all completely
inconsolable by this point.

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And I, as a little kid after

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that, after I went home, I

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didn’t sleep for like three days

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and three nights because I was

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so mortified.

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And I need you to know, like I,
I researched this stuff.

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This kind of thing is not as

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uncommon as one would hope it

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is.

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This kind of thing is happening
all over the world right now,

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and it’s terrifying.

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And so this is the sort of
teachings you’re trying to

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provide an alternative to is
that we, we, we want to rescue

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people from that and also to
help them to heal from it.

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Okay.

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And you’re known as in the
heralds of the ascendant.

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You’re known as the prophet.

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Mhm.

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Are you the founder of the
group?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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How did you become the, I guess
what is what is a prophet?

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And then how did you become the
prophet?

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What’s what’s the story with
with how that became to be.

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So the prophet of the heralds is
sort of like the title of

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founder, but just for faith.

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Uh, I was the first to put these
truths together in this format,

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in this order.

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So this faith in a way, is my
prophecy, my gospel.

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Uh, in the material sense.

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It’s that simple.

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It’s in all honesty, I didn’t
even mean for it to become its

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own faith at the beginning.

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Uh, it all kind of just started
as a big running theory, but

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then I would start discussing it
with friends and digging deeper.

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And the hope and the wonderment
and the like relief that I would

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see in people’s eyes as I told
them my theories just told me

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like, I’ve got a, I’ve got a,
I’ve got to dig deeper.

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I’ve got to find more because
this is helping people.

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Um, and this was before I was
even professing it as a faith.

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I was just discussing it because

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it was always a hobby of mine to

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look into like religion and

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stuff.

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Right.

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Um, but I had a lady come up to
me one day after we discussed it

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at like a, this like high tea
party thing that I’d gone to.

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It was really cute.

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And, uh, she had tears in her
eyes and she was like, this

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helped me so much.

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And you gotta tell everybody
about it.

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And I was like, okay, maybe.

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Maybe there’s something here.

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Maybe there’s something here,
right.

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Um, on the spiritual side of
things, I’m the prophet because

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I have been in contact with what
we call a watcher.

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Um, these are like primordial

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beings that were, uh, some of

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the first conscious creatures to

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wake up when our world was

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forming.

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Okay.

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Um, this watcher has helped me

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to put the pieces of our gospel

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together and continues to teach

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me this day sort of as like a

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patron deity.

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Other heralds are welcome to
call out to this watcher if they

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wish, and other followers of
this watcher do exist and will

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continue to exist long after me,
uh, and are welcome to share

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their input within our circle.

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Uh, and then to the Herald

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specifically, I’m the prophet

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because I am a divine contact

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with our watcher, specifically

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one that said, if any deity

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should ever retaliate against

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us, that their divine

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retribution or wrath should fall

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on me alone, sparing my heralds

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of fault.

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This contract we made allowed
for the creation of what we

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called the Vale Fire, which is a
seed of divinity that we’ve

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planted directly within my
heart, that hopefully with our

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theories, with enough divine
energy and belief and enough,

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you know, the stuff that gives
gods their power, at least what

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we believe, uh, worship could
one day bloom into a new God.

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Uh. This ascension will likely

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consume my soul like kindling to

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a wildfire.

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But that’s okay.

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Um. I will become the will of

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this new deity and guide it to

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make our world a better place

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for everyone.

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This new god is called the
ascendant.

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And as it started within
humanity and will ascend to

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divinity, um, it may take on a
new name at that time.

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Who knows?

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Um, but it will be the first

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deity intentionally created with

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human hands.

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Some heralds believe the
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Some think of it as a distant

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prospect, and others still speak

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of the ascendant as if it has

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already risen as a way to

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manifest their desire and add

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their belief to the veil fire in

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everyday life.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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There’s a lot.

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You got all that, honey?

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I got it all.

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I understand it perfectly, I
understand.

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That’s everything I need.

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Well, I mean, starting off with

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the watcher, which I find that

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fascinating.

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Is there one watcher over each

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group, or are there you kind of

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reference that there could be

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multiple watchers?

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So each group has its own
watcher.

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Watchers are kind of like, I
wouldn’t say a god beside a god.

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We just, we define them more as
like divine custodians.

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They’re like the gardeners of
the garden that is our universe.

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Um, when watchers predate gods,
they predate human life.

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They predate like they are the

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first conscious beings in our

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universe.

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And when human beings first
evolved, we reached up into the

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cosmos for meaning, you know,
for purpose, for something.

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And it was the watchers who
sculpted this energy into the

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deities that the early humans
then would worship.

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Does that make sense?

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That does.

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I think I think I’m following.

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Um. All right.

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And as far as profits, if any,
what if someone else in the

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group starts referring to
themselves as a profit?

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Speaker:
Is that allowed or is there only
one profit allowed in each?

433
00:17:08,769 –> 00:17:09,410
Speaker:
How does that work?

434
00:17:09,410 –> 00:17:11,609
Speaker:
Is there a hierarchy of profits

435
00:17:11,609 –> 00:17:13,089
Speaker:
or someone ascending to be or I

436
00:17:13,089 –> 00:17:13,769
Speaker:
don’t know, I don’t know how

437
00:17:13,769 –> 00:17:14,130
Speaker:
that works.

438
00:17:14,130 –> 00:17:16,730
Speaker:
Is there only one profit in your
group?

439
00:17:16,730 –> 00:17:19,410
Speaker:
So I think there’s only one me.

440
00:17:19,410 –> 00:17:21,130
Speaker:
Uh, as far as like, I’m the only

441
00:17:21,130 –> 00:17:23,630
Speaker:
one that has the veil fire in

442
00:17:23,630 –> 00:17:24,210
Speaker:
their chest.

443
00:17:24,210 –> 00:17:27,730
Speaker:
I’m the one that, uh, is
sacrificing myself to become

444
00:17:27,730 –> 00:17:28,650
Speaker:
this new deity.

445
00:17:28,650 –> 00:17:30,730
Speaker:
It’s not really so much of a
sacrifice.

446
00:17:30,730 –> 00:17:34,970
Speaker:
I’d say it’s more of a risk that
we are taking, that I’m taking.

447
00:17:34,970 –> 00:17:36,859
Speaker:
Because if any.

448
00:17:36,859 –> 00:17:39,660
Speaker:
Like, I’m sure you’ve read some
Greek mythology.

449
00:17:39,660 –> 00:17:43,200
Speaker:
It’s not exactly the safest
thing in the world to do to

450
00:17:43,200 –> 00:17:45,180
Speaker:
challenge any deity.

451
00:17:45,180 –> 00:17:47,460
Speaker:
Um, hubris.

452
00:17:47,460 –> 00:17:48,619
Speaker:
You know, a big thing.

453
00:17:48,619 –> 00:17:53,500
Speaker:
So if any divine retaliation or
divine wrath should come towards

454
00:17:53,500 –> 00:17:57,380
Speaker:
the heralds, it will only follow
fall on me.

455
00:17:57,380 –> 00:17:59,380
Speaker:
I’m the only one who will suffer
for it.

456
00:17:59,380 –> 00:18:01,859
Speaker:
So like, if someone wanted, like

457
00:18:01,859 –> 00:18:04,819
Speaker:
we have several members who are

458
00:18:04,819 –> 00:18:06,460
Speaker:
in contact with other deities,

459
00:18:06,460 –> 00:18:07,619
Speaker:
because at the end of the day,

460
00:18:07,619 –> 00:18:09,500
Speaker:
we are a pagan faith and

461
00:18:09,500 –> 00:18:11,259
Speaker:
therefore we believe all deities

462
00:18:11,259 –> 00:18:12,759
Speaker:
exist or have the potential to

463
00:18:12,759 –> 00:18:13,859
Speaker:
exist.

464
00:18:13,859 –> 00:18:17,779
Speaker:
Uh, and we have the option to
choose who we wish to follow.

465
00:18:17,779 –> 00:18:20,180
Speaker:
Um, there are other members that

466
00:18:20,180 –> 00:18:22,740
Speaker:
could be considered prophets by

467
00:18:22,740 –> 00:18:25,980
Speaker:
some, some sort of definition

468
00:18:25,980 –> 00:18:27,140
Speaker:
because they’re in contact with

469
00:18:27,140 –> 00:18:27,579
Speaker:
the deity.

470
00:18:27,579 –> 00:18:28,420
Speaker:
Sometimes.

471
00:18:28,420 –> 00:18:30,940
Speaker:
For some people, that’s all it
takes to be a prophet.

472
00:18:30,940 –> 00:18:36,670
Speaker:
But as far as the prophet of the
heralds, That’s me.

473
00:18:36,670 –> 00:18:37,630
Speaker:
Because I’ve.

474
00:18:37,630 –> 00:18:38,990
Speaker:
I’m the one who made the
contract.

475
00:18:38,990 –> 00:18:40,390
Speaker:
I’m the one who started it all.

476
00:18:40,390 –> 00:18:41,789
Speaker:
I’m the one who blah, blah blah.

477
00:18:41,789 –> 00:18:45,349
Speaker:
But do we deny that other people
have divine power and the

478
00:18:45,349 –> 00:18:47,549
Speaker:
ability to tap into the divine?

479
00:18:47,549 –> 00:18:49,029
Speaker:
Absolutely not.

480
00:18:49,029 –> 00:18:51,990
Speaker:
Okay, okay, so that makes sense.

481
00:18:51,990 –> 00:18:54,150
Speaker:
And you’re based in Southern
Illinois, correct?

482
00:18:54,150 –> 00:18:55,190
Speaker:
Mhm.

483
00:18:55,190 –> 00:18:56,630
Speaker:
The we are global these days.

484
00:18:56,630 –> 00:18:59,349
Speaker:
We have members all over the
world, members all over.

485
00:18:59,349 –> 00:19:02,190
Speaker:
I’m an idiot when it comes to
your most everything other than

486
00:19:02,190 –> 00:19:02,950
Speaker:
what’s on your website.

487
00:19:02,950 –> 00:19:03,470
Speaker:
You’re good.

488
00:19:03,470 –> 00:19:04,150
Speaker:
Don’t worry.

489
00:19:04,150 –> 00:19:07,789
Speaker:
You’re, uh, a mystery as far as
who you are.

490
00:19:07,789 –> 00:19:10,329
Speaker:
You’re not, like, publicly known
as far as you haven’t, like,

491
00:19:10,329 –> 00:19:11,150
Speaker:
announced who you are.

492
00:19:11,150 –> 00:19:15,150
Speaker:
Is there a reason that you don’t
want to be, um, your name out

493
00:19:15,150 –> 00:19:16,309
Speaker:
there does that?

494
00:19:16,309 –> 00:19:17,509
Speaker:
Yes.

495
00:19:17,509 –> 00:19:18,109
Speaker:
I can only imagine.

496
00:19:18,109 –> 00:19:19,349
Speaker:
But that’s got to be difficult

497
00:19:19,349 –> 00:19:21,569
Speaker:
to, to like grow while like

498
00:19:21,569 –> 00:19:23,069
Speaker:
remaining like this mysterious

499
00:19:23,069 –> 00:19:24,029
Speaker:
person who it’s like, well, why

500
00:19:24,029 –> 00:19:25,089
Speaker:
is that person not wanting to

501
00:19:25,089 –> 00:19:26,470
Speaker:
name themselves?

502
00:19:26,470 –> 00:19:28,789
Speaker:
I guess first of all, why are
you not like public?

503
00:19:28,789 –> 00:19:31,690
Speaker:
And also, does that cause
problems with trying to like,

504
00:19:31,690 –> 00:19:33,269
Speaker:
have people join your group?

505
00:19:33,269 –> 00:19:34,849
Speaker:
Um, well, it doesn’t have.

506
00:19:34,849 –> 00:19:38,710
Speaker:
I don’t think we’ve had problems
with people wanting to join from

507
00:19:38,710 –> 00:19:42,650
Speaker:
me being anonymous, because
usually when we do in-person

508
00:19:42,650 –> 00:19:45,809
Speaker:
events, I’m there and I’ll be
like, hey, I’m the prophet,

509
00:19:45,809 –> 00:19:46,609
Speaker:
blah, blah, blah.

510
00:19:46,609 –> 00:19:49,250
Speaker:
Um, I have a mask on in these
situations.

511
00:19:49,250 –> 00:19:51,930
Speaker:
I have a very fancy custom mask
made for me.

512
00:19:51,930 –> 00:19:56,130
Speaker:
Um, but, um, a lot of Harold’s

513
00:19:56,130 –> 00:19:59,289
Speaker:
know me outside of prophet and I

514
00:19:59,289 –> 00:20:00,769
Speaker:
don’t really like, once I know

515
00:20:00,769 –> 00:20:03,170
Speaker:
someone and I trust someone as a

516
00:20:03,170 –> 00:20:04,470
Speaker:
herald, then I’ll, you know,

517
00:20:04,470 –> 00:20:05,849
Speaker:
like I go to movies with my

518
00:20:05,849 –> 00:20:07,170
Speaker:
Harold’s all the time just as

519
00:20:07,170 –> 00:20:07,849
Speaker:
me.

520
00:20:07,849 –> 00:20:14,029
Speaker:
But, um, as far as staying
anonymous goes, it has been, uh,

521
00:20:14,029 –> 00:20:15,529
Speaker:
a great boon to me.

522
00:20:15,529 –> 00:20:18,130
Speaker:
It’s it’s definitely been the
right choice.

523
00:20:18,130 –> 00:20:22,170
Speaker:
Um, I have a Harold’s of the
ascendant sticker on my car.

524
00:20:22,170 –> 00:20:22,890
Speaker:
Okay.

525
00:20:22,890 –> 00:20:24,730
Speaker:
And my tires have been slashed.

526
00:20:24,730 –> 00:20:25,650
Speaker:
Oh, wow.

527
00:20:25,650 –> 00:20:29,849
Speaker:
So it’s not like it’s a secret.

528
00:20:29,849 –> 00:20:34,980
Speaker:
You know, I we get death threats
on the website already, so I

529
00:20:34,980 –> 00:20:37,579
Speaker:
don’t need my name out there.

530
00:20:37,579 –> 00:20:37,900
Speaker:
Yeah.

531
00:20:37,900 –> 00:20:39,140
Speaker:
I mean, I was wondering if there

532
00:20:39,140 –> 00:20:40,200
Speaker:
was a risk of I mean, because

533
00:20:40,200 –> 00:20:41,500
Speaker:
obviously you wouldn’t you don’t

534
00:20:41,500 –> 00:20:43,059
Speaker:
want to be harmed, but is there

535
00:20:43,059 –> 00:20:44,579
Speaker:
animosity toward I mean, you

536
00:20:44,579 –> 00:20:46,220
Speaker:
don’t seem like a violent group

537
00:20:46,220 –> 00:20:47,660
Speaker:
or like you’re trying to build

538
00:20:47,660 –> 00:20:49,539
Speaker:
some sort of town to go to war

539
00:20:49,539 –> 00:20:50,180
Speaker:
with anyone?

540
00:20:50,180 –> 00:20:52,539
Speaker:
I mean, you don’t seem that way,
but there’s not much out there.

541
00:20:52,539 –> 00:20:54,180
Speaker:
And all you see is, oh, they’re
a cult.

542
00:20:54,180 –> 00:20:56,380
Speaker:
And then, like, there’s no, I
don’t really see a lot.

543
00:20:56,380 –> 00:20:59,480
Speaker:
So in a vacuum of information,
people just kind of come to

544
00:20:59,480 –> 00:21:00,579
Speaker:
their own conclusions.

545
00:21:00,579 –> 00:21:01,619
Speaker:
That’s why I wanted to talk to
you.

546
00:21:01,619 –> 00:21:02,980
Speaker:
And I appreciate you like doing
this.

547
00:21:02,980 –> 00:21:05,339
Speaker:
But you know, there’s people
with all kinds of different

548
00:21:05,339 –> 00:21:08,019
Speaker:
views and you all have a view.

549
00:21:08,019 –> 00:21:10,779
Speaker:
And that doesn’t mean that
you’re a threat that, you know,

550
00:21:10,779 –> 00:21:12,420
Speaker:
people need to take you out.

551
00:21:12,420 –> 00:21:12,700
Speaker:
Yeah.

552
00:21:12,700 –> 00:21:15,700
Speaker:
No, we’ve had Christians like
come up to us at our booths that

553
00:21:15,700 –> 00:21:19,200
Speaker:
we do at festivals and things
and like scream at us and try to

554
00:21:19,200 –> 00:21:22,940
Speaker:
convert us and make hand crosses
at us, you name it.

555
00:21:22,940 –> 00:21:26,380
Speaker:
We’ve had people like just from
us walking by scream, Jesus

556
00:21:26,380 –> 00:21:28,740
Speaker:
loves you, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

557
00:21:28,740 –> 00:21:31,910
Speaker:
And my favorite response to that
is, um, thanks.

558
00:21:31,910 –> 00:21:34,150
Speaker:
We know, but we’re better as
friends.

559
00:21:34,150 –> 00:21:35,309
Speaker:
It’s like we’re cool with Jesus.

560
00:21:35,309 –> 00:21:37,390
Speaker:
We’re just not a big fan of his
book club, you know what I mean?

561
00:21:37,390 –> 00:21:38,509
Speaker:
Yeah, absolutely.

562
00:21:38,509 –> 00:21:42,589
Speaker:
And is your are you wanting to
have like a physical community?

563
00:21:42,589 –> 00:21:44,029
Speaker:
Like, is there, is there a

564
00:21:44,029 –> 00:21:45,369
Speaker:
physical church that people

565
00:21:45,369 –> 00:21:45,509
Speaker:
like?

566
00:21:45,509 –> 00:21:48,230
Speaker:
How do people, if someone were
interested in coming and

567
00:21:48,230 –> 00:21:50,950
Speaker:
becoming a part of this, how
would they start like they do

568
00:21:50,950 –> 00:21:54,630
Speaker:
you meet on certain days or how
does that work in your group?

569
00:21:54,630 –> 00:21:58,589
Speaker:
So currently our community is
mostly online.

570
00:21:58,589 –> 00:22:03,430
Speaker:
We do, uh, like booths at events
and things sometimes.

571
00:22:03,430 –> 00:22:05,710
Speaker:
Um, we are working towards, uh,

572
00:22:05,710 –> 00:22:08,529
Speaker:
renting a venue for like more

573
00:22:08,529 –> 00:22:11,329
Speaker:
regular just meeting meetings or

574
00:22:11,329 –> 00:22:12,869
Speaker:
like services.

575
00:22:12,869 –> 00:22:14,069
Speaker:
I’ve been thinking about

576
00:22:14,069 –> 00:22:15,730
Speaker:
converting my backyard into

577
00:22:15,730 –> 00:22:18,009
Speaker:
like, maybe like an outdoor kind

578
00:22:18,009 –> 00:22:20,869
Speaker:
of pseudo like fancy lights and

579
00:22:20,869 –> 00:22:22,309
Speaker:
paths and places to sit, you

580
00:22:22,309 –> 00:22:25,349
Speaker:
know, uh, maybe like an outdoor,

581
00:22:25,349 –> 00:22:27,710
Speaker:
I want to say pseudo church

582
00:22:27,710 –> 00:22:28,750
Speaker:
temple thing.

583
00:22:28,750 –> 00:22:31,519
Speaker:
Um, but that’s my house.

584
00:22:31,519 –> 00:22:35,519
Speaker:
So, you know, it’s kind of a I
don’t know if I want to do that.

585
00:22:35,519 –> 00:22:35,960
Speaker:
Yeah.

586
00:22:35,960 –> 00:22:38,039
Speaker:
There’s a risk of that.

587
00:22:38,039 –> 00:22:38,680
Speaker:
Yeah.

588
00:22:38,680 –> 00:22:41,400
Speaker:
So would we love to have our own

589
00:22:41,400 –> 00:22:42,880
Speaker:
chapel, our own church,

590
00:22:42,880 –> 00:22:43,279
Speaker:
whatever.

591
00:22:43,279 –> 00:22:44,279
Speaker:
Absolutely.

592
00:22:44,279 –> 00:22:46,240
Speaker:
Do we have the budget for that
currently?

593
00:22:46,240 –> 00:22:49,599
Speaker:
No. And so you you have

594
00:22:49,599 –> 00:22:51,160
Speaker:
membership and they I suppose

595
00:22:51,160 –> 00:22:52,119
Speaker:
people donate.

596
00:22:52,119 –> 00:22:55,380
Speaker:
And there’s like a, you have a
whole organization like people,

597
00:22:55,380 –> 00:22:59,240
Speaker:
financial people and like, how
many people are in this group?

598
00:22:59,240 –> 00:23:00,119
Speaker:
Or if you.

599
00:23:00,119 –> 00:23:00,920
Speaker:
Is that even out there?

600
00:23:00,920 –> 00:23:02,400
Speaker:
But I mean, are there lots of
people.

601
00:23:02,400 –> 00:23:04,359
Speaker:
Are we talking a small group?

602
00:23:04,359 –> 00:23:05,440
Speaker:
I have no idea.

603
00:23:05,440 –> 00:23:07,759
Speaker:
It’s not as big as you’re
probably thinking.

604
00:23:07,759 –> 00:23:08,400
Speaker:
I have no idea.

605
00:23:08,400 –> 00:23:10,680
Speaker:
I don’t know if it’s five people
or five hundred.

606
00:23:10,680 –> 00:23:11,880
Speaker:
I really don’t know.

607
00:23:11,880 –> 00:23:14,119
Speaker:
Um, it’s under a hundred, but
it’s over fifty.

608
00:23:14,119 –> 00:23:15,559
Speaker:
Okay, so decent size.

609
00:23:15,559 –> 00:23:16,720
Speaker:
Currently it’s a decent.

610
00:23:16,720 –> 00:23:17,000
Speaker:
Decent.

611
00:23:17,000 –> 00:23:17,240
Speaker:
Yeah.

612
00:23:17,240 –> 00:23:19,039
Speaker:
I mean, not huge, but yeah.

613
00:23:19,039 –> 00:23:24,319
Speaker:
Have you had anyone who was a
member and maybe they had a

614
00:23:24,319 –> 00:23:27,640
Speaker:
disagreement on like, hey, I’m
this isn’t my thing.

615
00:23:27,640 –> 00:23:31,299
Speaker:
And then was have people left
and were there any hard feelings

616
00:23:31,299 –> 00:23:34,220
Speaker:
or people ever like threatened
or anything like that?

617
00:23:34,220 –> 00:23:36,819
Speaker:
Is there any reason that people
wouldn’t leave and, and feel

618
00:23:36,819 –> 00:23:40,500
Speaker:
like, you know, they shouldn’t
leave or can’t leave the group?

619
00:23:40,500 –> 00:23:41,339
Speaker:
Mhm.

620
00:23:41,339 –> 00:23:46,440
Speaker:
Um, we have, we haven’t had
anyone like get mad or have any

621
00:23:46,440 –> 00:23:48,859
Speaker:
animosity towards anyone.

622
00:23:48,859 –> 00:23:50,519
Speaker:
Um, we haven’t had any like

623
00:23:50,519 –> 00:23:52,380
Speaker:
in-group fights, I want to say

624
00:23:52,380 –> 00:23:53,619
Speaker:
yet because like, there’s always

625
00:23:53,619 –> 00:23:54,619
Speaker:
going to be drama where there’s

626
00:23:54,619 –> 00:23:55,140
Speaker:
people.

627
00:23:55,140 –> 00:23:55,579
Speaker:
Sure.

628
00:23:55,579 –> 00:23:58,940
Speaker:
Um, but overall we’re a very,
very loving community.

629
00:23:58,940 –> 00:24:00,819
Speaker:
Um, we have had a couple people

630
00:24:00,819 –> 00:24:02,200
Speaker:
leave because they wanted to

631
00:24:02,200 –> 00:24:04,940
Speaker:
like pursue other, uh, spiritual

632
00:24:04,940 –> 00:24:06,059
Speaker:
paths.

633
00:24:06,059 –> 00:24:09,539
Speaker:
And we’ve even had a couple
people that left to pursue other

634
00:24:09,539 –> 00:24:10,980
Speaker:
things come back.

635
00:24:10,980 –> 00:24:14,099
Speaker:
So, um, so they’re welcome to do
that when somebody wants to step

636
00:24:14,099 –> 00:24:15,539
Speaker:
away, that’s their choice.

637
00:24:15,539 –> 00:24:16,859
Speaker:
That’s their prerogative.

638
00:24:16,859 –> 00:24:18,019
Speaker:
We love them through it.

639
00:24:18,019 –> 00:24:20,059
Speaker:
You know, if they want to step

640
00:24:20,059 –> 00:24:21,500
Speaker:
out, they’re more than welcome

641
00:24:21,500 –> 00:24:21,740
Speaker:
to.

642
00:24:21,740 –> 00:24:22,859
Speaker:
They’re still our friend.

643
00:24:22,859 –> 00:24:24,299
Speaker:
You know, if they never want to

644
00:24:24,299 –> 00:24:26,339
Speaker:
talk to us again there, that’s

645
00:24:26,339 –> 00:24:26,619
Speaker:
fine.

646
00:24:26,619 –> 00:24:28,069
Speaker:
We’ll see you if you ever want
to come back.

647
00:24:28,069 –> 00:24:29,869
Speaker:
If not, have a good life, you
know.

648
00:24:29,869 –> 00:24:32,390
Speaker:
Are there any is there anyone
who maybe goes to a Christian

649
00:24:32,390 –> 00:24:35,390
Speaker:
church and is a member here and
there, kind of like half foot

650
00:24:35,390 –> 00:24:37,109
Speaker:
and one and half foot in the
other, and they’re they’re

651
00:24:37,109 –> 00:24:39,390
Speaker:
somehow a member of both.

652
00:24:39,390 –> 00:24:42,470
Speaker:
Or is it like all or none
usually, uh, like, do you have

653
00:24:42,470 –> 00:24:43,589
Speaker:
people you can be both.

654
00:24:43,589 –> 00:24:43,829
Speaker:
Okay.

655
00:24:43,829 –> 00:24:45,710
Speaker:
You can absolutely be both.

656
00:24:45,710 –> 00:24:47,670
Speaker:
We don’t specifically encourage

657
00:24:47,670 –> 00:24:50,150
Speaker:
working with, uh, the Abrahamic

658
00:24:50,150 –> 00:24:52,390
Speaker:
God specifically because a lot

659
00:24:52,390 –> 00:24:54,349
Speaker:
of his scripture and a lot of

660
00:24:54,349 –> 00:24:57,029
Speaker:
his stuff in the past has just

661
00:24:57,029 –> 00:24:59,390
Speaker:
been crazy, awful, terrible,

662
00:24:59,390 –> 00:25:00,349
Speaker:
horrible.

663
00:25:00,349 –> 00:25:04,650
Speaker:
Um, and a lot of our members
have trauma relating to that, to

664
00:25:04,650 –> 00:25:07,269
Speaker:
those specific practices.

665
00:25:07,269 –> 00:25:11,549
Speaker:
Um, but if somebody has a
relationship with a deity and

666
00:25:11,549 –> 00:25:15,069
Speaker:
that brings them peace, that’s
not my business.

667
00:25:15,069 –> 00:25:16,470
Speaker:
That’s, that’s on them.

668
00:25:16,470 –> 00:25:20,549
Speaker:
You know that if that helps
them, then who am I to tell them

669
00:25:20,549 –> 00:25:22,950
Speaker:
that they can’t have that, you
know, and so that doesn’t

670
00:25:22,950 –> 00:25:26,319
Speaker:
interfere with your belief
system as far as how, how your

671
00:25:26,319 –> 00:25:29,440
Speaker:
organization is set up that can
those two things can coexist

672
00:25:29,440 –> 00:25:32,799
Speaker:
without there being a problem.

673
00:25:32,799 –> 00:25:33,920
Speaker:
Absolutely, absolutely.

674
00:25:33,920 –> 00:25:37,319
Speaker:
It even says that on the
website, actually in the FAQ and

675
00:25:37,319 –> 00:25:40,279
Speaker:
at the beginning of our learn
page, I think.

676
00:25:40,279 –> 00:25:41,359
Speaker:
Speaking of, I noticed your

677
00:25:41,359 –> 00:25:43,079
Speaker:
website has a core beliefs

678
00:25:43,079 –> 00:25:44,440
Speaker:
section, which I. This caught my

679
00:25:44,440 –> 00:25:44,799
Speaker:
eye.

680
00:25:44,799 –> 00:25:49,559
Speaker:
I, um, it says many of our time
believe that small seeds of

681
00:25:49,559 –> 00:25:52,599
Speaker:
truth are scattered across the
world, hidden in every religion

682
00:25:52,599 –> 00:25:53,839
Speaker:
and every culture.

683
00:25:53,839 –> 00:25:56,720
Speaker:
Our society is dedicated to
finding these buried truths and

684
00:25:56,720 –> 00:25:59,720
Speaker:
piecing together a vision of the
paranormal and divine that is

685
00:25:59,720 –> 00:26:03,440
Speaker:
untainted by human vanity and
centuries of misinformation

686
00:26:03,440 –> 00:26:05,119
Speaker:
penned by those in power.

687
00:26:05,119 –> 00:26:06,480
Speaker:
I found that interesting.

688
00:26:06,480 –> 00:26:09,559
Speaker:
And so what are some of the
buried truths that you have

689
00:26:09,559 –> 00:26:13,400
Speaker:
uncovered in your group that you
know from these, you know, other

690
00:26:13,400 –> 00:26:16,480
Speaker:
religions and cultures that you
all have found?

691
00:26:16,480 –> 00:26:17,319
Speaker:
Just try me.

692
00:26:17,319 –> 00:26:21,200
Speaker:
I guess just, you know, what’s
one buried like just what’s one,

693
00:26:21,200 –> 00:26:23,839
Speaker:
I guess an example of just a
buried truth that you’ve

694
00:26:23,839 –> 00:26:28,130
Speaker:
discovered that, um, you know,
you want to talk about.

695
00:26:28,130 –> 00:26:28,490
Speaker:
All right.

696
00:26:28,490 –> 00:26:31,769
Speaker:
Well, the problem is that so
many of them lead into another,

697
00:26:31,769 –> 00:26:33,769
Speaker:
which leads into another, which
leads into another.

698
00:26:33,769 –> 00:26:34,250
Speaker:
Okay.

699
00:26:34,250 –> 00:26:37,569
Speaker:
Um, so many of our discoveries
are information that can be

700
00:26:37,569 –> 00:26:40,250
Speaker:
found and corroborated online.

701
00:26:40,250 –> 00:26:43,049
Speaker:
Uh, so we can’t really take
credit for the discoveries made

702
00:26:43,049 –> 00:26:46,170
Speaker:
by, say, archaeologists who
found the information on stone

703
00:26:46,170 –> 00:26:47,730
Speaker:
tablets and whatnot.

704
00:26:47,730 –> 00:26:50,990
Speaker:
But the average American is
often told exactly what to

705
00:26:50,990 –> 00:26:52,769
Speaker:
believe and not to question it.

706
00:26:52,769 –> 00:26:54,630
Speaker:
So researching the history

707
00:26:54,630 –> 00:26:56,369
Speaker:
behind like, say, the Abrahamic

708
00:26:56,369 –> 00:26:58,109
Speaker:
beliefs can often feel like

709
00:26:58,109 –> 00:26:59,730
Speaker:
uncovering forbidden knowledge

710
00:26:59,730 –> 00:27:01,490
Speaker:
for both us and for the

711
00:27:01,490 –> 00:27:02,809
Speaker:
Christians that seek answers

712
00:27:02,809 –> 00:27:04,049
Speaker:
from us.

713
00:27:04,049 –> 00:27:07,089
Speaker:
But everyone deserves the truth.

714
00:27:07,089 –> 00:27:10,769
Speaker:
So here’s some truth, okay?

715
00:27:10,769 –> 00:27:14,650
Speaker:
First, a god or deity did not
create the universe.

716
00:27:14,650 –> 00:27:17,450
Speaker:
Spiritual entities are part of

717
00:27:17,450 –> 00:27:19,609
Speaker:
it and developed over time

718
00:27:19,609 –> 00:27:21,630
Speaker:
alongside humanity into what we

719
00:27:21,630 –> 00:27:23,910
Speaker:
heralds like to call the divine

720
00:27:23,910 –> 00:27:25,230
Speaker:
ecosystem.

721
00:27:25,230 –> 00:27:29,069
Speaker:
Much like nature, spiritual
energies have cycles that energy

722
00:27:29,069 –> 00:27:33,190
Speaker:
moves through like a rain cycle
or a food web, thus forming what

723
00:27:33,190 –> 00:27:37,630
Speaker:
we believe to be the other side
of reincarnation, so to speak.

724
00:27:39,029 –> 00:27:40,430
Speaker:
So most of our universe is

725
00:27:40,430 –> 00:27:42,670
Speaker:
comprised of energy, and energy

726
00:27:42,670 –> 00:27:44,750
Speaker:
cannot be created or destroyed,

727
00:27:44,750 –> 00:27:46,349
Speaker:
only transformed.

728
00:27:46,349 –> 00:27:50,029
Speaker:
So the water in your eyes, for
example, could have been rain on

729
00:27:50,029 –> 00:27:54,230
Speaker:
a dinosaur’s back millennia ago
before the first deities.

730
00:27:54,230 –> 00:27:57,230
Speaker:
This was exactly how souls
worked.

731
00:27:57,230 –> 00:27:58,710
Speaker:
A being was born, carrying

732
00:27:58,710 –> 00:28:00,089
Speaker:
enough of the energy of life to

733
00:28:00,089 –> 00:28:00,950
Speaker:
sustain it.

734
00:28:00,950 –> 00:28:03,789
Speaker:
And when it died, that energy
would dissipate back into the

735
00:28:03,789 –> 00:28:08,109
Speaker:
cosmos like drops of water in a
vast ocean for millennia.

736
00:28:08,109 –> 00:28:10,589
Speaker:
This was how our universe
learned about itself.

737
00:28:10,589 –> 00:28:12,230
Speaker:
Every creature and spirit.

738
00:28:12,230 –> 00:28:16,670
Speaker:
Another cell in the enormous
body of our world.

739
00:28:16,670 –> 00:28:17,950
Speaker:
Once the universe had learned

740
00:28:17,950 –> 00:28:19,710
Speaker:
enough creatures of both the

741
00:28:19,710 –> 00:28:21,150
Speaker:
living and the spiritual sides

742
00:28:21,150 –> 00:28:23,079
Speaker:
of our world started to develop

743
00:28:23,079 –> 00:28:25,440
Speaker:
consciousness on our side of the

744
00:28:25,440 –> 00:28:25,799
Speaker:
world.

745
00:28:25,799 –> 00:28:29,319
Speaker:
It’s unsure which consciousness
first arrived.

746
00:28:29,319 –> 00:28:32,200
Speaker:
Like were the dinosaurs capable
of conscious thought?

747
00:28:32,200 –> 00:28:34,240
Speaker:
We don’t really know, do we?

748
00:28:34,240 –> 00:28:38,980
Speaker:
But on the first spiritual
beings, also known as Elohim to

749
00:28:38,980 –> 00:28:44,279
Speaker:
awaken, were beings that we have
taken to calling the watchers.

750
00:28:44,279 –> 00:28:48,259
Speaker:
These beings beheld their world
and ours with awe, and sought to

751
00:28:48,259 –> 00:28:52,359
Speaker:
steward it without influencing
its natural order.

752
00:28:52,359 –> 00:28:53,980
Speaker:
The decision of just how much

753
00:28:53,980 –> 00:28:55,400
Speaker:
intervention would be allowed

754
00:28:55,400 –> 00:28:57,039
Speaker:
was the first schism between the

755
00:28:57,039 –> 00:28:58,200
Speaker:
watchers.

756
00:28:58,200 –> 00:28:59,839
Speaker:
Some wanted to allow our world

757
00:28:59,839 –> 00:29:01,440
Speaker:
to grow completely naturally,

758
00:29:01,440 –> 00:29:02,839
Speaker:
with no influence from them

759
00:29:02,839 –> 00:29:04,200
Speaker:
whatsoever.

760
00:29:04,200 –> 00:29:06,079
Speaker:
Others reasoned that they were

761
00:29:06,079 –> 00:29:07,519
Speaker:
part of this world too, and

762
00:29:07,519 –> 00:29:09,460
Speaker:
therefore they should act to

763
00:29:09,460 –> 00:29:10,759
Speaker:
improve our world where they

764
00:29:10,759 –> 00:29:11,680
Speaker:
can.

765
00:29:11,680 –> 00:29:13,400
Speaker:
Eventually, a compromise was

766
00:29:13,400 –> 00:29:14,980
Speaker:
made, and the watchers agreed to

767
00:29:14,980 –> 00:29:16,920
Speaker:
only influence the physical side

768
00:29:16,920 –> 00:29:18,720
Speaker:
of this world through the

769
00:29:18,720 –> 00:29:20,484
Speaker:
energies that they could access

770
00:29:20,484 –> 00:29:22,450
Speaker:
in the spiritual side, forming

771
00:29:22,450 –> 00:29:23,730
Speaker:
the veil between our

772
00:29:23,730 –> 00:29:24,690
Speaker:
perceptions.

773
00:29:24,690 –> 00:29:27,289
Speaker:
Like, you know, Halloween time,
they say the veil is thin.

774
00:29:27,289 –> 00:29:27,849
Speaker:
That veil.

775
00:29:27,849 –> 00:29:28,289
Speaker:
Okay.

776
00:29:28,289 –> 00:29:29,690
Speaker:
Gotcha.

777
00:29:29,690 –> 00:29:33,329
Speaker:
So when consciousness formed on
earth, an intelligent beings

778
00:29:33,329 –> 00:29:35,410
Speaker:
looked to the skies for answers.

779
00:29:35,410 –> 00:29:38,609
Speaker:
The energy of their wonderment
and worship attracted the

780
00:29:38,609 –> 00:29:42,769
Speaker:
watchers who could sculpt this
energy like a living clay.

781
00:29:42,769 –> 00:29:44,130
Speaker:
From this they designed the

782
00:29:44,130 –> 00:29:46,670
Speaker:
first deities, divine creatures,

783
00:29:46,670 –> 00:29:48,369
Speaker:
who had derived their power from

784
00:29:48,369 –> 00:29:50,390
Speaker:
the worship of their faithful

785
00:29:50,390 –> 00:29:51,210
Speaker:
deities.

786
00:29:51,210 –> 00:29:53,150
Speaker:
And gods, therefore, are just as

787
00:29:53,150 –> 00:29:54,849
Speaker:
flawed as the beings who first

788
00:29:54,849 –> 00:29:56,769
Speaker:
called out for them fallible

789
00:29:56,769 –> 00:29:58,369
Speaker:
creatures that live and die just

790
00:29:58,369 –> 00:30:00,089
Speaker:
like we do, but over a much

791
00:30:00,089 –> 00:30:01,970
Speaker:
grander scale.

792
00:30:01,970 –> 00:30:06,529
Speaker:
If a deity is unable to keep its
people alive, it dies with them.

793
00:30:06,529 –> 00:30:09,170
Speaker:
With no one to worship it, it
will burn through its reserves

794
00:30:09,170 –> 00:30:12,690
Speaker:
of power and eventually die,
scattering like droplets in the

795
00:30:12,690 –> 00:30:16,170
Speaker:
ocean of our universe, just like
a mortal soul does.

796
00:30:16,170 –> 00:30:17,569
Speaker:
All of its memories and

797
00:30:17,569 –> 00:30:18,974
Speaker:
everything it learned becoming

798
00:30:18,974 –> 00:30:20,460
Speaker:
nourishment to our universe

799
00:30:20,460 –> 00:30:22,319
Speaker:
itself that will then one day

800
00:30:22,319 –> 00:30:25,539
Speaker:
cycle back into more life when

801
00:30:25,539 –> 00:30:27,460
Speaker:
living beings started becoming

802
00:30:27,460 –> 00:30:28,380
Speaker:
more intelligent.

803
00:30:28,380 –> 00:30:31,759
Speaker:
The first deities began to
notice a reluctance of souls to

804
00:30:31,759 –> 00:30:35,299
Speaker:
dissipate back into the
universe, the ether, or whatever

805
00:30:35,299 –> 00:30:38,380
Speaker:
you’d like to call it, a will to
stay whole for longer,

806
00:30:38,380 –> 00:30:42,160
Speaker:
foreclosure or on business,
unfinished business, or just to

807
00:30:42,160 –> 00:30:44,059
Speaker:
rest, whatever it may be.

808
00:30:44,059 –> 00:30:46,380
Speaker:
Each had their own reasons.

809
00:30:46,380 –> 00:30:48,099
Speaker:
So many deities began to create

810
00:30:48,099 –> 00:30:50,140
Speaker:
places where these souls of

811
00:30:50,140 –> 00:30:51,819
Speaker:
conscious beings could continue

812
00:30:51,819 –> 00:30:53,940
Speaker:
to exist after death, to process

813
00:30:53,940 –> 00:30:55,460
Speaker:
their lives, and then dissipate

814
00:30:55,460 –> 00:30:56,960
Speaker:
back into the cycle when they

815
00:30:56,960 –> 00:30:58,140
Speaker:
are ready.

816
00:30:58,140 –> 00:31:01,220
Speaker:
Today we call these worlds
afterlives.

817
00:31:01,220 –> 00:31:01,539
Speaker:
Okay.

818
00:31:01,539 –> 00:31:02,660
Speaker:
And which one you get is

819
00:31:02,660 –> 00:31:04,180
Speaker:
completely dependent on which

820
00:31:04,180 –> 00:31:05,619
Speaker:
deities you’ve been in contact

821
00:31:05,619 –> 00:31:06,619
Speaker:
with.

822
00:31:06,619 –> 00:31:08,680
Speaker:
So, for example, there could be

823
00:31:08,680 –> 00:31:10,359
Speaker:
a hell somewhere out there,

824
00:31:10,359 –> 00:31:11,980
Speaker:
though in the original texts it

825
00:31:11,980 –> 00:31:13,420
Speaker:
was actually a neutral place

826
00:31:13,420 –> 00:31:14,180
Speaker:
called Sheol.

827
00:31:14,180 –> 00:31:16,740
Speaker:
But that’s beside the point.

828
00:31:16,740 –> 00:31:20,230
Speaker:
Either way, if it exists, the
only souls in danger of

829
00:31:20,230 –> 00:31:23,430
Speaker:
experiencing it are the ones who
entrust themselves to the deity

830
00:31:23,430 –> 00:31:25,029
Speaker:
responsible for it.

831
00:31:25,029 –> 00:31:26,869
Speaker:
Okay, so for example, if you

832
00:31:26,869 –> 00:31:29,609
Speaker:
want to reach Valhalla, you need

833
00:31:29,609 –> 00:31:31,630
Speaker:
only devote yourself to Odin and

834
00:31:31,630 –> 00:31:32,970
Speaker:
then meet his requirements to

835
00:31:32,970 –> 00:31:33,670
Speaker:
get there.

836
00:31:33,670 –> 00:31:35,630
Speaker:
He may just hear you.

837
00:31:35,630 –> 00:31:40,390
Speaker:
If he still exists, souls can
spend thousands of years or just

838
00:31:40,390 –> 00:31:42,269
Speaker:
a little while in afterlives.

839
00:31:42,269 –> 00:31:43,710
Speaker:
There, they continue to worship

840
00:31:43,710 –> 00:31:45,670
Speaker:
their deity, and in return they

841
00:31:45,670 –> 00:31:47,309
Speaker:
can live on in the sacred place

842
00:31:47,309 –> 00:31:48,670
Speaker:
their gods have prepared for

843
00:31:48,670 –> 00:31:49,430
Speaker:
them.

844
00:31:49,430 –> 00:31:51,509
Speaker:
Most souls arrive believing that

845
00:31:51,509 –> 00:31:53,069
Speaker:
they will stay forever, but

846
00:31:53,069 –> 00:31:55,869
Speaker:
forever is just so long, and a

847
00:31:55,869 –> 00:31:57,430
Speaker:
conscious soul will eventually

848
00:31:57,430 –> 00:31:59,230
Speaker:
feel the need to move on, even

849
00:31:59,230 –> 00:32:00,829
Speaker:
from Paradise.

850
00:32:00,829 –> 00:32:03,890
Speaker:
When the time is right, deities
eventually allow souls to

851
00:32:03,890 –> 00:32:06,829
Speaker:
dissipate back into the vast
ocean of the energies that make

852
00:32:06,829 –> 00:32:10,349
Speaker:
up our world to become one with
the divine and be whole.

853
00:32:10,349 –> 00:32:13,750
Speaker:
To scatter across the universe
and restart the cycle anew as

854
00:32:13,750 –> 00:32:17,369
Speaker:
part of thousands of different
new beings and new lives.

855
00:32:17,369 –> 00:32:18,529
Speaker:
Oh, there’s my bird.

856
00:32:18,529 –> 00:32:20,609
Speaker:
And this wonderful cycle is how

857
00:32:20,609 –> 00:32:22,890
Speaker:
our universe grows as a macro

858
00:32:22,890 –> 00:32:25,089
Speaker:
organism and how it experiences

859
00:32:25,089 –> 00:32:26,009
Speaker:
itself.

860
00:32:27,009 –> 00:32:27,650
Speaker:
Wow.

861
00:32:29,049 –> 00:32:29,970
Speaker:
Right.

862
00:32:29,970 –> 00:32:31,529
Speaker:
That’s kind of mind blowing.

863
00:32:31,529 –> 00:32:32,690
Speaker:
Um. Yeah, that’s.

864
00:32:32,690 –> 00:32:33,329
Speaker:
Thank you.

865
00:32:33,329 –> 00:32:34,289
Speaker:
Very well spoken.

866
00:32:34,289 –> 00:32:35,130
Speaker:
Very well said.

867
00:32:35,130 –> 00:32:35,809
Speaker:
Because you did.

868
00:32:35,809 –> 00:32:36,809
Speaker:
You did a great job.

869
00:32:36,809 –> 00:32:37,170
Speaker:
Thank you.

870
00:32:37,170 –> 00:32:37,730
Speaker:
I wrote it down.

871
00:32:37,730 –> 00:32:38,490
Speaker:
I wrote it down.

872
00:32:38,490 –> 00:32:39,970
Speaker:
But you did a great job.

873
00:32:39,970 –> 00:32:42,210
Speaker:
Well, I guess what would you say
to the community?

874
00:32:42,210 –> 00:32:44,730
Speaker:
What do you what would you like
them to know about your group?

875
00:32:44,730 –> 00:32:47,289
Speaker:
Are there any misconceptions you
want to correct?

876
00:32:47,289 –> 00:32:49,470
Speaker:
Or if you if you could talk to
the community around you and

877
00:32:49,470 –> 00:32:51,789
Speaker:
like, just give them a message,
what would you like to say to

878
00:32:51,789 –> 00:32:55,230
Speaker:
them for someone listening who
may listen to my podcast for

879
00:32:55,230 –> 00:32:57,710
Speaker:
paranormal stuff or true crime,
and they’re hearing this like,

880
00:32:57,710 –> 00:32:59,730
Speaker:
oh, I’ve never heard of this,
but what would you like them to

881
00:32:59,730 –> 00:33:00,890
Speaker:
know about your group?

882
00:33:02,250 –> 00:33:06,089
Speaker:
Um, I would like to say that we
mean no harm.

883
00:33:06,089 –> 00:33:09,809
Speaker:
Most first and foremost, we mean
no harm.

884
00:33:09,809 –> 00:33:19,819
Speaker:
We’re not here to be forceful or
Um, dogmatic or, uh, controlling

885
00:33:19,819 –> 00:33:20,660
Speaker:
in any way.

886
00:33:20,660 –> 00:33:23,660
Speaker:
We seek only to set people free

887
00:33:23,660 –> 00:33:26,000
Speaker:
from things that have, uh,

888
00:33:26,000 –> 00:33:27,460
Speaker:
weighed them down for far too

889
00:33:27,460 –> 00:33:27,779
Speaker:
long.

890
00:33:27,779 –> 00:33:29,339
Speaker:
And if you don’t feel weighed

891
00:33:29,339 –> 00:33:32,259
Speaker:
down by anything, then you,

892
00:33:32,259 –> 00:33:32,900
Speaker:
you’re good.

893
00:33:32,900 –> 00:33:34,819
Speaker:
You know, you don’t, right?

894
00:33:34,819 –> 00:33:36,259
Speaker:
You don’t need to.

895
00:33:36,259 –> 00:33:38,859
Speaker:
You don’t need to change
anything if you don’t want to.

896
00:33:38,859 –> 00:33:40,259
Speaker:
That’s all up to you.

897
00:33:40,259 –> 00:33:43,299
Speaker:
If our you know, sometimes our

898
00:33:43,299 –> 00:33:45,380
Speaker:
message and our stuff helps

899
00:33:45,380 –> 00:33:46,420
Speaker:
people.

900
00:33:46,420 –> 00:33:47,819
Speaker:
And that’s what we’re here to
do.

901
00:33:47,819 –> 00:33:51,240
Speaker:
We’re here to make the world a
better place and help people to

902
00:33:51,240 –> 00:33:58,180
Speaker:
learn and grow and embrace the
true, like, vibrant, beautiful

903
00:33:58,180 –> 00:34:01,339
Speaker:
self that they always had the
chance to be.

904
00:34:01,339 –> 00:34:01,859
Speaker:
You know?

905
00:34:01,859 –> 00:34:03,619
Speaker:
And if that’s with our

906
00:34:03,619 –> 00:34:05,640
Speaker:
organization, more power to

907
00:34:05,640 –> 00:34:05,859
Speaker:
them.

908
00:34:05,859 –> 00:34:07,900
Speaker:
If not, blessed be.

909
00:34:07,900 –> 00:34:09,099
Speaker:
I hope you have a good day.

910
00:34:09,099 –> 00:34:13,099
Speaker:
You know, it’s not any sort of
we’re not like, hey, come here.

911
00:34:13,099 –> 00:34:14,630
Speaker:
One of us, One of us, you know.

912
00:34:14,630 –> 00:34:15,429
Speaker:
Right.

913
00:34:15,429 –> 00:34:18,909
Speaker:
Though we do make that joke a
lot because it’s hilarious.

914
00:34:18,909 –> 00:34:20,670
Speaker:
I think I would too.

915
00:34:20,670 –> 00:34:22,829
Speaker:
We jokingly call it a cult as
well.

916
00:34:22,829 –> 00:34:26,750
Speaker:
Like we it’s the, the, the humor

917
00:34:26,750 –> 00:34:29,269
Speaker:
within the heralds is just top

918
00:34:29,269 –> 00:34:29,750
Speaker:
notch.

919
00:34:29,750 –> 00:34:32,309
Speaker:
We, we joke about everything.

920
00:34:32,309 –> 00:34:33,230
Speaker:
I think that’s the best way to

921
00:34:33,230 –> 00:34:34,670
Speaker:
deal with a lot of, uh, with a

922
00:34:34,670 –> 00:34:36,030
Speaker:
lot of stressful situations is

923
00:34:36,030 –> 00:34:36,510
Speaker:
humor.

924
00:34:36,510 –> 00:34:38,750
Speaker:
And that’s, that’s exactly,
exactly.

925
00:34:38,750 –> 00:34:41,590
Speaker:
It’s hard to, to attack someone
who’s being funny.

926
00:34:41,590 –> 00:34:42,230
Speaker:
A lot of times.

927
00:34:42,230 –> 00:34:43,829
Speaker:
Absolutely, absolutely.

928
00:34:43,829 –> 00:34:47,030
Speaker:
And we, we’ve actually leaned,
leaned, leant.

929
00:34:47,030 –> 00:34:48,989
Speaker:
We lean into it quite a bit.

930
00:34:48,989 –> 00:34:51,750
Speaker:
Um, especially like, because we
get attacked a lot.

931
00:34:51,750 –> 00:34:52,650
Speaker:
I don’t want to say attacked

932
00:34:52,650 –> 00:34:53,690
Speaker:
like physically, but like

933
00:34:53,690 –> 00:34:56,710
Speaker:
verbally, uh, verbally assaulted

934
00:34:56,710 –> 00:34:58,429
Speaker:
by militant Christians quite a

935
00:34:58,429 –> 00:34:59,469
Speaker:
bit.

936
00:34:59,469 –> 00:35:03,309
Speaker:
And so we’ve, we’ve developed a
strategy of, instead of engaging

937
00:35:03,309 –> 00:35:08,170
Speaker:
with them and trying to debate
them on theology and philosophy,

938
00:35:08,170 –> 00:35:12,639
Speaker:
um, which we can, like, we have
specific Bible verses and things

939
00:35:12,639 –> 00:35:14,679
Speaker:
where we can be like, actually,
this is what it says.

940
00:35:14,679 –> 00:35:16,360
Speaker:
And you don’t know what you’re
talking about.

941
00:35:16,360 –> 00:35:21,039
Speaker:
Um, but even if you school them
on their own theology, they’ll

942
00:35:21,039 –> 00:35:22,159
Speaker:
just keep talking.

943
00:35:22,159 –> 00:35:26,079
Speaker:
They just the, the goal I find
is not to have a conversation.

944
00:35:26,079 –> 00:35:28,199
Speaker:
It’s to exhaust you.

945
00:35:28,199 –> 00:35:32,199
Speaker:
Um, so we’ve started doing silly
jokes at them instead.

946
00:35:32,199 –> 00:35:35,199
Speaker:
So if they’re like, oh, we
rebuke you in the name of the

947
00:35:35,199 –> 00:35:37,960
Speaker:
Lord, we just go like, oh my God
can beat up your God.

948
00:35:39,639 –> 00:35:41,079
Speaker:
Like my dad can beat up your
dad.

949
00:35:41,079 –> 00:35:43,639
Speaker:
You know, we even have a shirt
that has it on it.

950
00:35:43,639 –> 00:35:45,079
Speaker:
I shit you not.

951
00:35:45,079 –> 00:35:45,480
Speaker:
Yeah.

952
00:35:45,480 –> 00:35:46,599
Speaker:
It’s hard to come back from

953
00:35:46,599 –> 00:35:47,599
Speaker:
because they’re expecting some

954
00:35:47,599 –> 00:35:48,639
Speaker:
sort of, you know, other

955
00:35:48,639 –> 00:35:49,159
Speaker:
response.

956
00:35:49,159 –> 00:35:50,119
Speaker:
And it’s hard to come back when

957
00:35:50,119 –> 00:35:51,019
Speaker:
somebody’s being, you know,

958
00:35:51,019 –> 00:35:51,679
Speaker:
honestly funny.

959
00:35:51,679 –> 00:35:54,280
Speaker:
But I like that usually we’re

960
00:35:54,280 –> 00:35:56,639
Speaker:
very kind and very accepting and

961
00:35:56,639 –> 00:35:57,679
Speaker:
forgoing and whatnot, but

962
00:35:57,679 –> 00:35:58,780
Speaker:
sometimes you can just tell

963
00:35:58,780 –> 00:36:00,199
Speaker:
someone’s coming forth with bad

964
00:36:00,199 –> 00:36:01,519
Speaker:
faith and we just don’t accept

965
00:36:01,519 –> 00:36:01,719
Speaker:
that.

966
00:36:01,719 –> 00:36:03,800
Speaker:
It’s like fighting with somebody
in the YouTube comment section.

967
00:36:03,800 –> 00:36:06,119
Speaker:
It’s like you’re just wasting
your time because no one’s

968
00:36:06,119 –> 00:36:08,320
Speaker:
changing their mind, and you’re
just gonna have two idiots

969
00:36:08,320 –> 00:36:10,159
Speaker:
yelling at each other and no
one’s no one.

970
00:36:10,159 –> 00:36:11,860
Speaker:
It’s just, it’s just bad energy.

971
00:36:11,860 –> 00:36:16,139
Speaker:
So sometimes humor is just the
best way to, to deal with that.

972
00:36:16,139 –> 00:36:20,840
Speaker:
And like I grew up as the only
pagan kid in a Bible belt town,

973
00:36:20,840 –> 00:36:25,739
Speaker:
you best believe I have seen the
ugliest of the ugly as far as

974
00:36:25,739 –> 00:36:26,860
Speaker:
Christians can be.

975
00:36:26,860 –> 00:36:31,380
Speaker:
Like I I’ve got stories on
stories on stories, on stories

976
00:36:31,380 –> 00:36:32,739
Speaker:
of how awful.

977
00:36:32,739 –> 00:36:34,579
Speaker:
Like there’s so many Christians

978
00:36:34,579 –> 00:36:36,139
Speaker:
that are so oh, we accept

979
00:36:36,139 –> 00:36:36,579
Speaker:
everyone.

980
00:36:36,579 –> 00:36:37,460
Speaker:
We love everybody.

981
00:36:37,460 –> 00:36:40,019
Speaker:
But then the moment a
non-Christian is in their midst,

982
00:36:40,019 –> 00:36:41,820
Speaker:
they just turn.

983
00:36:41,820 –> 00:36:42,940
Speaker:
You don’t seem to be a threat to

984
00:36:42,940 –> 00:36:44,119
Speaker:
the community or anything of

985
00:36:44,119 –> 00:36:44,699
Speaker:
that nature.

986
00:36:44,699 –> 00:36:49,460
Speaker:
You seem like you have no, no,
no. In fact, we we’re actively

987
00:36:49,460 –> 00:36:52,179
Speaker:
looking at, um, doing things to
help the community.

988
00:36:52,179 –> 00:36:56,199
Speaker:
Like right now, we don’t have a
huge budget or anything, but we

989
00:36:56,199 –> 00:36:58,940
Speaker:
help where we can, we donate to
like food pantries.

990
00:36:58,940 –> 00:37:02,539
Speaker:
We help people like on an
individual basis.

991
00:37:02,539 –> 00:37:06,739
Speaker:
Um, when there’s big storms, I
often, uh, because we live in

992
00:37:06,739 –> 00:37:10,590
Speaker:
kind of a tornado alley type
area when there’s a big storm.

993
00:37:10,590 –> 00:37:13,030
Speaker:
I let Harold shelter in my
basement.

994
00:37:13,030 –> 00:37:16,630
Speaker:
There’s a Planned Parenthood
nearby.

995
00:37:16,630 –> 00:37:20,070
Speaker:
Um, not super nearby, but it’s
within about an hour drive.

996
00:37:20,070 –> 00:37:24,510
Speaker:
And often militant Christians
will show up there and be just

997
00:37:24,510 –> 00:37:26,590
Speaker:
really rude to the people that
are coming in and out, whether

998
00:37:26,590 –> 00:37:29,710
Speaker:
or not they’re there for any
sort of like, abortion thing.

999
00:37:29,710 –> 00:37:31,469
Speaker:
Um, we’ve been thinking of as a

1000
00:37:31,469 –> 00:37:33,670
Speaker:
group going, uh, and dressing

1001
00:37:33,670 –> 00:37:35,269
Speaker:
up, uh, because we always dress

1002
00:37:35,269 –> 00:37:37,349
Speaker:
up when we go out as a group and

1003
00:37:37,349 –> 00:37:38,710
Speaker:
just messing with those people,

1004
00:37:38,710 –> 00:37:40,389
Speaker:
just distracting them so that

1005
00:37:40,389 –> 00:37:42,469
Speaker:
the people who need their actual

1006
00:37:42,469 –> 00:37:43,710
Speaker:
health care can get what they

1007
00:37:43,710 –> 00:37:44,630
Speaker:
need done.

1008
00:37:44,630 –> 00:37:46,630
Speaker:
And we, we’ve, um, even just

1009
00:37:46,630 –> 00:37:48,710
Speaker:
this last event that we did, uh,

1010
00:37:48,710 –> 00:37:52,269
Speaker:
we were invited to some, um, no

1011
00:37:52,269 –> 00:37:53,869
Speaker:
kings rallies as a group, which

1012
00:37:53,869 –> 00:37:55,309
Speaker:
is really, really cool, really

1013
00:37:55,309 –> 00:37:56,190
Speaker:
exciting.

1014
00:37:56,190 –> 00:37:58,949
Speaker:
I don’t know if we’re going to
go to that specifically because

1015
00:37:58,949 –> 00:38:02,510
Speaker:
I want to research, um, the
people who are running it first

1016
00:38:02,510 –> 00:38:06,230
Speaker:
because I like to make sure
everything’s good all the way

1017
00:38:06,230 –> 00:38:07,269
Speaker:
down, you know?

1018
00:38:07,269 –> 00:38:08,559
Speaker:
Yeah.

1019
00:38:08,559 –> 00:38:12,400
Speaker:
So you all do you get involved
politically then, and do you

1020
00:38:12,400 –> 00:38:15,480
Speaker:
accept people from all sides of
the political spectrum, or do

1021
00:38:15,480 –> 00:38:19,119
Speaker:
you just generally have one type
of belief system in your group,

1022
00:38:19,119 –> 00:38:20,880
Speaker:
or how does that work exactly?

1023
00:38:20,880 –> 00:38:25,099
Speaker:
In principle, we accept, um,
pretty much everybody, but there

1024
00:38:25,099 –> 00:38:27,000
Speaker:
there’s, there’s limits to that.

1025
00:38:27,000 –> 00:38:29,000
Speaker:
Like, for example, if you see

1026
00:38:29,000 –> 00:38:30,360
Speaker:
that the president is in the

1027
00:38:30,360 –> 00:38:31,800
Speaker:
Epstein files and then still

1028
00:38:31,800 –> 00:38:34,480
Speaker:
voted for him, like maybe, maybe

1029
00:38:34,480 –> 00:38:35,860
Speaker:
I don’t want to be your friend,

1030
00:38:35,860 –> 00:38:37,079
Speaker:
you know?

1031
00:38:37,079 –> 00:38:37,480
Speaker:
Okay.

1032
00:38:37,480 –> 00:38:38,360
Speaker:
Right, right.

1033
00:38:38,360 –> 00:38:41,659
Speaker:
And that’s, that’s something
personal that we try not to

1034
00:38:41,659 –> 00:38:45,239
Speaker:
discuss too much because we
don’t want to turn anyone away.

1035
00:38:45,239 –> 00:38:49,800
Speaker:
But like, if, if you’re saying,
oh, like we should send more

1036
00:38:49,800 –> 00:38:53,320
Speaker:
money to Israel to blow up
little children in Gaza, like

1037
00:38:53,320 –> 00:38:56,239
Speaker:
maybe, maybe you can leave like,
like we just try to be

1038
00:38:56,239 –> 00:38:57,559
Speaker:
reasonable about it.

1039
00:38:57,559 –> 00:39:01,119
Speaker:
You know, most religions are
against wars in general.

1040
00:39:01,119 –> 00:39:03,119
Speaker:
Well, I guess if the history of
them.

1041
00:39:03,119 –> 00:39:05,000
Speaker:
That’s not true, but you’d think

1042
00:39:05,000 –> 00:39:06,199
Speaker:
that they would want peace in

1043
00:39:06,199 –> 00:39:06,679
Speaker:
the world.

1044
00:39:06,679 –> 00:39:09,050
Speaker:
But it doesn’t really pan out
that way a lot of times.

1045
00:39:09,050 –> 00:39:10,010
Speaker:
That’s actually something we

1046
00:39:10,010 –> 00:39:11,170
Speaker:
talk about too, which is really

1047
00:39:11,170 –> 00:39:12,409
Speaker:
interesting.

1048
00:39:12,409 –> 00:39:16,269
Speaker:
Um, because if you look back in
old scripture, the God of

1049
00:39:16,269 –> 00:39:19,769
Speaker:
Christianity, the God of Islam
and the God of Judaism are all

1050
00:39:19,769 –> 00:39:20,690
Speaker:
the same God.

1051
00:39:20,690 –> 00:39:25,429
Speaker:
So if you put those all together
and think of it on like, okay,

1052
00:39:25,429 –> 00:39:27,050
Speaker:
how are all of these correct?

1053
00:39:27,050 –> 00:39:29,889
Speaker:
That would mean that one, God

1054
00:39:29,889 –> 00:39:30,969
Speaker:
took a bunch of different

1055
00:39:30,969 –> 00:39:32,650
Speaker:
prophets, told them all

1056
00:39:32,650 –> 00:39:34,969
Speaker:
conflicting information, and was

1057
00:39:34,969 –> 00:39:36,130
Speaker:
like, hey, you guys all need to

1058
00:39:36,130 –> 00:39:37,769
Speaker:
go kill each other in my name,

1059
00:39:37,769 –> 00:39:39,329
Speaker:
which killing someone in the

1060
00:39:39,329 –> 00:39:42,130
Speaker:
name of a god is literally human

1061
00:39:42,130 –> 00:39:43,170
Speaker:
sacrifice.

1062
00:39:43,170 –> 00:39:45,570
Speaker:
So it’s like, it’s like this

1063
00:39:45,570 –> 00:39:46,769
Speaker:
deity just ate a bunch of

1064
00:39:46,769 –> 00:39:47,130
Speaker:
people.

1065
00:39:47,130 –> 00:39:48,070
Speaker:
That’s basically what

1066
00:39:48,070 –> 00:39:49,530
Speaker:
effectively happened, and it’s

1067
00:39:49,530 –> 00:39:50,610
Speaker:
terrifying.

1068
00:39:50,610 –> 00:39:53,610
Speaker:
If someone were interested in
your group and wanted to learn

1069
00:39:53,610 –> 00:39:56,550
Speaker:
more, where would you suggest
that they reach out or you know,

1070
00:39:56,550 –> 00:39:57,369
Speaker:
what would they do?

1071
00:39:57,369 –> 00:40:01,969
Speaker:
Uh, the website, we have a, um,
a join form and a contact form

1072
00:40:01,969 –> 00:40:03,489
Speaker:
on our website.

1073
00:40:03,489 –> 00:40:08,110
Speaker:
Um, we have a discord server
that members get access to, as

1074
00:40:08,110 –> 00:40:10,329
Speaker:
long as they’re over the age of
eighteen, because we don’t want

1075
00:40:10,329 –> 00:40:11,789
Speaker:
any minors in a discord server.

1076
00:40:11,789 –> 00:40:13,869
Speaker:
That’s just the worst thing that
you can do on the internet.

1077
00:40:13,869 –> 00:40:16,469
Speaker:
That’s like immediate
cancellation on the internet.

1078
00:40:16,469 –> 00:40:20,190
Speaker:
Um, so all of our eighteen plus
members can go into our discord

1079
00:40:20,190 –> 00:40:24,670
Speaker:
where we talk and hang out and
post silly memes and things.

1080
00:40:24,670 –> 00:40:26,630
Speaker:
Um, and a lot of in-person

1081
00:40:26,630 –> 00:40:28,190
Speaker:
heralds don’t know this because

1082
00:40:28,190 –> 00:40:30,170
Speaker:
it’s, it’s kind of like a silly

1083
00:40:30,170 –> 00:40:31,389
Speaker:
fun thing.

1084
00:40:31,389 –> 00:40:34,469
Speaker:
Um, but I also do, uh, live
streaming.

1085
00:40:34,469 –> 00:40:39,670
Speaker:
I have like a VTuber model, um,
of the outfit that like of

1086
00:40:39,670 –> 00:40:43,789
Speaker:
myself in the outfit that I wear
when I do in-person meetings.

1087
00:40:43,789 –> 00:40:45,309
Speaker:
And I do like little online

1088
00:40:45,309 –> 00:40:47,230
Speaker:
services and things, but it’s,

1089
00:40:47,230 –> 00:40:49,369
Speaker:
it’s a much more casual type

1090
00:40:49,369 –> 00:40:50,269
Speaker:
thing.

1091
00:40:50,269 –> 00:40:52,269
Speaker:
Um, a lot of the in-person

1092
00:40:52,269 –> 00:40:53,789
Speaker:
heralds and the online heralds

1093
00:40:53,789 –> 00:40:55,710
Speaker:
don’t really, the two groups

1094
00:40:55,710 –> 00:40:57,550
Speaker:
don’t overlap a lot, but there

1095
00:40:57,550 –> 00:40:58,510
Speaker:
is overlap.

1096
00:40:58,510 –> 00:40:59,889
Speaker:
I try not to push that as much

1097
00:40:59,889 –> 00:41:01,150
Speaker:
though, because it’s, like I

1098
00:41:01,150 –> 00:41:02,550
Speaker:
said, it’s very casual and

1099
00:41:02,550 –> 00:41:03,730
Speaker:
sometimes it’s just me like

1100
00:41:03,730 –> 00:41:05,079
Speaker:
playing video games and goofing

1101
00:41:05,079 –> 00:41:05,360
Speaker:
off.

1102
00:41:05,360 –> 00:41:08,280
Speaker:
Like it’s it’s it’s just to
spend more time with each other.

1103
00:41:08,280 –> 00:41:09,679
Speaker:
Just you being you kind of a
thing.

1104
00:41:09,679 –> 00:41:10,320
Speaker:
Yeah.

1105
00:41:10,320 –> 00:41:12,519
Speaker:
Necessarily the profit
necessarily.

1106
00:41:12,519 –> 00:41:13,360
Speaker:
Yeah.

1107
00:41:13,360 –> 00:41:16,900
Speaker:
But like, on our last show that
we did our last, I guess

1108
00:41:16,900 –> 00:41:20,719
Speaker:
episode, I did go over the
website as a whole and answer

1109
00:41:20,719 –> 00:41:21,599
Speaker:
questions and things.

1110
00:41:21,599 –> 00:41:24,559
Speaker:
So. And like I said, I mean,
this isn’t like an endorsement

1111
00:41:24,559 –> 00:41:25,400
Speaker:
of your group or anything.

1112
00:41:25,400 –> 00:41:28,400
Speaker:
I’m just kind of, I’m just
naturally a curious person.

1113
00:41:28,400 –> 00:41:29,960
Speaker:
And I was very curious.

1114
00:41:29,960 –> 00:41:31,079
Speaker:
And you’ve answered a lot of my

1115
00:41:31,079 –> 00:41:32,079
Speaker:
questions and I really

1116
00:41:32,079 –> 00:41:33,559
Speaker:
appreciate you taking your time

1117
00:41:33,559 –> 00:41:35,280
Speaker:
to, to talk to me today about

1118
00:41:35,280 –> 00:41:35,519
Speaker:
that.

1119
00:41:35,519 –> 00:41:37,840
Speaker:
No problem, no problem.

1120
00:41:37,840 –> 00:41:40,159
Speaker:
And that brings this episode to
a close.

1121
00:41:40,159 –> 00:41:41,800
Speaker:
Thank you again for listening.

1122
00:41:41,800 –> 00:41:44,199
Speaker:
And until next time, take care.