The Rose Hotel

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It’s a late summer night in
nineteen sixty seven.

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High up in a backyard tree house
in Harrisburg, Illinois.

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An eight year old boy named
Bruce Cline calls his very first

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meeting to order.

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The members all sit in a circle
on the tree house floor, their

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flashlights casting dancing
shadows against the walls.

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But this wasn’t just childhood
make believe.

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The tree house was their

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headquarters, and this was the

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first meeting of the Gaslight

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Ghoul Club.

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It was, as far as anyone knows,

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the first paranormal society in

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Southern Illinois.

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And for Bruce, it was just the
beginning.

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Decades later, in two thousand
and seven, he turned his passion

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for the paranormal into the
Little Egypt Ghost Society.

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Bruce has spent a lifetime

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investigating paranormal

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activity, but to this day he

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calls a historic hotel in

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Elizabethtown, Illinois.

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The absolute most haunted
location he’s ever experienced.

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In this episode, author and

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paranormal investigator Bruce

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Kline joins me to share his

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journey from a kid sharing scary

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stories in his backyard tree

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house to the night he came face

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to face with something he still

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can’t explain.

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Inside the walls of the Rose
hotel, I see two horribly

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hideous looking little dog like
creatures in this house.

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It was a disembodied voice.

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It was like a little child
trying to scare us.

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I don’t know what this was.

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I I’ve I’ve heard everything you
can think of.

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This was nothing I’m ever
accustomed to.

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Ever.

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It was terrifying because it was
like our.

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There were so many people to

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where it was like, are we all

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seeing this?

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So everybody is scared.

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The kids are crying.

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The women don’t.

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You know June’s about to lose
it.

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And what are they to do?

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These things will not die.

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Welcome to another episode of
River City Mystery, where we

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talk about the mysteries of
southern Illinois, southern

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Indiana, and Western Kentucky.

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I’m your host, Matt Deig I

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recently had the opportunity to

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meet with Bruce Cline at the

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Shawnee Sasquatch Festival in

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Harrisburg, Illinois.

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He’s an author.

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He was selling his books.

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He has a book out called
history, Mystery and Hauntings

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of Southern Illinois.

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And Phil Hanna, the Human
Hangman.

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Bruce is a pretty interesting
guy with an interesting past.

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He’s a retired U.S.

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Army lieutenant colonel, a

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former Illinois State trooper,

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and a licensed funeral director

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and embalmer.

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In addition to being an author,

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he also started the Gaslight

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Ghoul Club in nineteen sixty

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seven, and he founded the Little

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Egypt Ghost Society in two

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thousand and seven, where he’s

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he’s done paranormal

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investigations.

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So just a fascinating past.

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So Bruce, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for being
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Tell us a little bit about how
you became interested in the

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paranormal to begin with, back
in nineteen sixty seven.

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Well, and there’s a TV show that

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came on every day about three

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o’clock.

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It was called Dark Shadows with
a Barnabas Collins vampire that

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had werewolves and ghosts and
other things on the show.

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So as a big deal for us kids
back then.

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And yeah, we’d rush home every
day from school, just turn that

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on and, um, thought, you know,
be kind of neat.

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If we could, uh, find a way to
turn ourselves into vampires and

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werewolves and scare kids.

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So we’d meet out in the tree
house out back and tell the

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scary stories and, uh, about.

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Well, we’ll just come up with
this club.

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We’ll call it the Gaslight Ghoul
Club.

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But like any club, you need ten
initiation for it.

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So we thought, what we’ll do is

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we’ll set up the tent in the

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backyard.

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So between the tent and the tree
house.

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Tell Mom and Dad we’re tenth
now.

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And what we actually did, we got
on our bikes and went across

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town to the cemetery.

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And there’s a mausoleum out
there at Sunset Hills mausoleum.

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Pretty creepy looking thing.

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And the administration was.

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You went up to the mausoleum on
the north end of it.

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There’s a broken window.

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You can climb in, and you go
through the window.

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And you had to walk, not run,

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but walk to the other end of the

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mausoleum.

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Tap the wall and walk out.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Got some kids wanted to join us.

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So they’re going to do that.

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We’re outside hooting and

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hollering, making werewolf

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creature sounds and getting them

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real scared.

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And at the point where we got
scared, we thought, we’re going

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to get caught out here.

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Getting a lot of trouble.

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So we took off and left our
neighbor kids in there.

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Oh, wow.

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Well, uh, and to be honest, to

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this day, I have never

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personally been inside that

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mausoleum.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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Everyone else had to go, though.

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Yeah.

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Everyone else had to do it, but
not me.

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It was my club, so.

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Well, you can make the rules,
right?

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So.

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Yeah.

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That’s right.

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So paranormal stuff is more

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mainstream these days and

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accepted.

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But I mean, back then, I don’t

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know, when I was a kid in the

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eighties, I had to struggle to

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find paranormal stuff and it was

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out there.

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But I mean, what, what did your

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family think of you having this

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paranormal club?

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Or did they did, like you said?

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Did they even know about it?

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Yeah, they knew about it.

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And, uh, Mom and Dad would kind
of indulge us.

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The one year for my birthday,

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they bought a eight millimeter

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movie camera.

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And I thought, well, we’ll just
make our own movies now.

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And as before, we had the night

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vision cameras and stuff like we

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do now And we’re going to make a

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vampire movie.

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But since we didn’t have night

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vision, it was called the

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Daytime Vampire.

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Okay.

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That’s creative.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It’s filmed in the backyard, and

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we got a lawn chair laid out

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there and got my dad’s, uh,

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poncho.

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He’s a Korean War veteran.

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So we got this poncho out there,

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and my brother had this, uh,

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anatomical, uh, skull carver

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skeleton set.

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Uh, well, we’ll use this skull
to put in the poncho.

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Mhm.

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And I’ll have my brother laying
there like he’s a vampire.

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Then I got this wooden stake and
drive it through his chest and

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cut the scene, you know, and I’m
hitting that stake.

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And next thing we saw the smoke
bomb smoke went off.

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And then we did a close up of
the poncho and said, my brother

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had that skull in there with a
stake sticking out.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Sounds like you guys had a lot
of fun with it.

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Did you guys have.

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Did you go on actual.

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Did you do, like, uh,
investigations or anything?

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Or were you pretty much just,

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like telling stories in the, in

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the tree house, things like

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that.

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Just stories because as before,
the ghost hunting craze and that

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stuff, we wouldn’t have known
what to do.

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And then had all the equipment
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Didn’t have the EMF meters.

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We had tape recorders, but, uh,
nothing good enough to epi

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session or anything like that.

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After that, you know, went on to
high school, went on to college

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careers, family and all that.

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And probably around twenty oh
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into the ghost hunt because
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popular on TV.

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So went out and bought all this
fancy equipment.

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We had night vision camcorders,

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the digital voice recorders, EMF

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meters.

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Try everything you see on TV,
and it’s a lot of fun back then.

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You know, everyone had to be

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called the lead investigator,

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right?

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Well, we ended up getting away
from that.

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And, uh, after a couple years, I
realized, you know, this

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equipment’s fun, it’s
entertaining, but you don’t need

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it to ghost hunt.

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All you need is an open mind.

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Go out and do a little research.

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And, uh, you got the on your
phone a digital camera better

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than anything you.

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Yeah.

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We came up with.

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That’s true.

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We just, uh, went low tech after
that and did away with the lead

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investigator and all these
other, you know, important

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sounding titles that didn’t
really mean anything.

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You’re more into like the actual
and I know well, this was and

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you founded the Little Egypt
Ghost Society in two thousand

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and seven, which is, I guess,
the part two of the, uh,

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Gaslight Ghoul Club.

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So they’re kind of revamped
version.

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And then I know with what I find
interesting about the way you

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approach things is like.

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I mean, even the title of your
book, history, Mystery and

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Hauntings of Southern Illinois.

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Like you put a big there’s a lot

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of importance on the history of

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an area.

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Uh, when you’re investigating.

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I mean, so how, how much of a

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role do you think the history of

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a location plays into, like

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paranormal activity?

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Like, are there, are there
certain events that lead are

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more likely to lead to a
location being haunted?

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Um, like murders?

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Or is it just as likely to be

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haunted by, for instance, you

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never really hear about like,

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oh, Brad and Ethel lived ninety

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years.

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They died together.

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There was nothing, no real
drama.

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They died holding hands.

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Their family was all happy.

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And you never heard.

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Those people don’t come back and
haunt.

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It’s always somebody who was

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murdered or, um, a little more

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drama.

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So. But in your experience, is

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there a more likelihood of there

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being activity, paranormal

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activity, if there’s a more

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dramatic death?

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Not necessarily.

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But we find the paranormal
activity occurs around, um,

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running water like rivers and
creeks and streams.

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If you round limestone bluffs
because I’m located in the far

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southern tip of Illinois and,
uh, back in the ice age, the

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glaciers came down through this
area from the Great Lakes down,

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pushed all the stuff and ahead
of it, like a bulldozer.

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So I live on a farm here in

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Harrisburg, and just to the east

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of us, you can see where the

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glaciers stopped.

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And you have Womble Mountain.

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Eagle mountain, all these big,
tall, uh, hills and stuff.

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And that’s where the glaciers
stopped.

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And that can add to the, uh, the

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normal, uh, find a lot of quartz

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down here and that stores

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energy.

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Limestone will store energy.

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We find areas like railroad
tracks that seems to store up

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some kind of energy in the rails
itself and our group society.

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Um, we’re made up of skeptics.

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We’re not true believers.

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We try to disprove something
first.

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And sometimes it gets to a point
where no matter what you do, you

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can’t disprove it.

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So what you had left over might
actually be paranormal.

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But we start off being skeptics.

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That’s I like that.

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Um, because if you go into it
with just, you know, it’s

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definitely a ghost, you’re not
looking at all of the, the big

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picture of what’s going on.

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But if you can knock out every
possible thing that could have

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happened, or at least everything
that you can humanly knock out,

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then it’s more likely there’s
something else going on.

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So I like that.

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And you like to.

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So in order to kind of discern

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if something is natural or

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supernatural, you prefer to just

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use, you don’t like using

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technology necessarily.

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You just kind of use your own
senses.

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Is that what you prefer to use

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as far as when you’re ghost

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hunting?

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That’s right.

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We do use the equipment, like
we’ll do a sweep with our EMF

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meter and see what the
background electronics might be

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in the area, because a lot of
times it’s man made and you can

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easily say it’s caused by this
or that, and there’s other times

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when you just can’t account for
it at all.

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And we’ve encouraged some of

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that EMF fields that self

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manifest in the middle of a

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room.

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And then you’ll notice a

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temperature drop like, uh, ten,

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fifteen, maybe twenty degrees in

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that one area we’re getting the

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readings at.

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Well, how can that be?

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And all of a sudden there’s no
reading, it vanishes.

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And you go to another part of
the room where it was quiet

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before and it picks up again.

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So it’s like, um, sometimes a
spirit will play with you.

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How curiosity, uh, things down

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here in Southern Illinois, you

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get what’s called a residual

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haunting.

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It’s like a Have.

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Think of it as a film loop that

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plays over and over and over

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again.

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It won’t interact with you.

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Just basically performs for you.

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If it’s, let’s say there’s a
murder or a battle or something

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that releases energy right then
and can be stored like in the

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limestone in water or a railroad
track or something like that.

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And when conditions are right,
you’ll release the energy and

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replay the scene over and over.

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Do you think that in that

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situation where it’s a residual

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that there’s a like a soul

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involved, or is it literally

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just some sort of energy, like a

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projector that kicks on if

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there’s enough energy, like

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there’s no real person attached

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to it.

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It’s just like a thing that
keeps replaying.

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Yeah, just pure energy.

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And it can get recharged, like
during a violent storm, Thunder,

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lightning that can charge the
atmosphere to where conditions

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are right, where you might
actually pick up on something.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that’s wild to think about
with actual hauntings and, you

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know, ghosts and things.

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What what do you think is going
on there?

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Why are there some people that
might remain on earth as ghosts,

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in your opinion and some don’t?

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Why do you think that is?

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Some people believe they might
have unfinished business.

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Mhm.

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Let’s say like they had a

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fortune in money somewhere and

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they die and their family’s

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destitute, so they gotta come

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back to lead their family to

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where that fortune may be

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located.

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Mhm.

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And so there’s forever going to
be haunted about this and never

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going to be.

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I wonder, so what do they need
to do, I wonder to move on to

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get over that?

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Do they just need to realize
that on their own, I wonder and.

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Yeah.

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Or accomplish their mission, you

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know, uh, what they were

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intending to do beforehand, like

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imparting information to loved

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ones.

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I see.

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Like dropping messages or like
trying to gear guide things a

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certain way so that that gets
found or whatever it is that

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they’re trying to solve.

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Huh.

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Speaker:
Right.

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Does the Little Egypt Ghost
Society still do investigations

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today, or are they still active?

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Um, we’re not real active.

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Um, when we were the most

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active, I lived in Carbondale,

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and the other team members lived

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very nearby there, and we all

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get together.

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Since then, I’ve moved to
Harrisburg.

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My other one moved out of state.

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And I mean just more or less
from various ways.

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Occasionally we do get together

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for stuff, but it’s very rare

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now.

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We we never do private

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Speaker:
investigations in homes anymore

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Speaker:
either.

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Just, you know, nothing
happened.

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Speaker:
There’s always a liability when

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you’re going in someone’s home

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and conducting an investigation

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like that.

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You know, they can say, well,

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grandpa’s gold watch was in

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there.

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Speaker:
Oh my gosh.

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Speaker:
Yeah.

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Speaker:
You know.

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Speaker:
Well, we were never accused of
anything.

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But the potential is there.

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Just didn’t want to get up to

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where it could even be accused

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of.

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So one business that you’ve been
invited to.

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Speaker:
That in your book was really
fascinating.

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Speaker:
The Rose hotel.

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Speaker:
If you want to explain a little
bit about that investigation,

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Speaker:
because that was kind of crazy.

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Speaker:
Okay.

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Speaker:
That one we believe is the real
deal.

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Speaker:
We think it actually is haunted.

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Speaker:
Uh, the Rose hotel was built in
eighteen twelve.

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Speaker:
It’s in Elizabethtown, Illinois.

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It’s right on the river.

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And it was run as a tavern.

444
00:16:07,179 –> 00:16:11,179
Speaker:
And in the end, for the, uh,
travelers, they had a lot of

445
00:16:11,179 –> 00:16:15,539
Speaker:
river, uh, traffic there and
some roads through the area, and

446
00:16:15,539 –> 00:16:17,259
Speaker:
they would cater to them.

447
00:16:17,259 –> 00:16:21,740
Speaker:
And today it’s still in business
today, but it’s run by the state

448
00:16:21,740 –> 00:16:24,519
Speaker:
of Illinois as a bed and
breakfast so people can stay o

449
00:16:24,519 –> 00:16:25,259
Speaker:
bed and breakfast.

450
00:16:25,259 –> 00:16:25,779
Speaker:
Okay.

451
00:16:25,779 –> 00:16:27,700
Speaker:
Yeah, you can stay there.

452
00:16:27,700 –> 00:16:30,580
Speaker:
And we’ve done several overnight

453
00:16:30,580 –> 00:16:32,259
Speaker:
paranormal investigations there

454
00:16:32,259 –> 00:16:34,740
Speaker:
where we had the entire place to

455
00:16:34,740 –> 00:16:35,460
Speaker:
ourselves.

456
00:16:35,460 –> 00:16:39,580
Speaker:
There’s only, uh, five rooms in
the whole hotel.

457
00:16:39,580 –> 00:16:43,019
Speaker:
Free upstairs, two downstairs.

458
00:16:43,019 –> 00:16:45,059
Speaker:
The most memorable time.

459
00:16:45,059 –> 00:16:47,899
Speaker:
Um, I was up in the MacFarland
suite.

460
00:16:47,899 –> 00:16:53,399
Speaker:
It’s the largest suite upstairs,
and we go in and we document

461
00:16:53,399 –> 00:16:54,019
Speaker:
what we have.

462
00:16:54,019 –> 00:16:57,340
Speaker:
First, we’ll do a sweep with the
EMF meters.

463
00:16:57,340 –> 00:17:03,059
Speaker:
If there’s any, uh,
electromagnetic fields going on.

464
00:17:03,059 –> 00:17:06,500
Speaker:
We take a lot of pictures with
our digital cameras.

465
00:17:06,500 –> 00:17:07,779
Speaker:
When you ghost hunt, you don’t

466
00:17:07,779 –> 00:17:09,960
Speaker:
have to do it like at night or

467
00:17:09,960 –> 00:17:12,539
Speaker:
trump lights, like, uh, spirits

468
00:17:12,539 –> 00:17:13,099
Speaker:
are there.

469
00:17:13,099 –> 00:17:14,859
Speaker:
They don’t punch a time clock.

470
00:17:14,859 –> 00:17:17,380
Speaker:
It can be any time, day or
night.

471
00:17:17,380 –> 00:17:21,099
Speaker:
They don’t care if lights are on
or off, but we would turn off

472
00:17:21,099 –> 00:17:23,740
Speaker:
lights for, uh, atmosphere.

473
00:17:23,740 –> 00:17:25,900
Speaker:
We thought we just had more to
it.

474
00:17:25,900 –> 00:17:30,500
Speaker:
These investigations, very
rarely will you notice anything

475
00:17:30,500 –> 00:17:31,940
Speaker:
in real time.

476
00:17:31,940 –> 00:17:33,460
Speaker:
It’s that we’re done with

477
00:17:33,460 –> 00:17:35,359
Speaker:
investigation, that we review

478
00:17:35,359 –> 00:17:37,700
Speaker:
our evidence, like the digital

479
00:17:37,700 –> 00:17:39,859
Speaker:
voice recordings and the digital

480
00:17:39,859 –> 00:17:41,619
Speaker:
camera images and stuff like

481
00:17:41,619 –> 00:17:43,579
Speaker:
that that we think, well, what

482
00:17:43,579 –> 00:17:44,660
Speaker:
was that?

483
00:17:44,660 –> 00:17:45,420
Speaker:
Let’s see it again.

484
00:17:45,420 –> 00:17:45,940
Speaker:
Rewind.

485
00:17:45,940 –> 00:17:47,819
Speaker:
You know, look at it again.

486
00:17:47,819 –> 00:17:50,279
Speaker:
Well, just so happened in at the

487
00:17:50,279 –> 00:17:53,619
Speaker:
violence, we, um, took a bunch

488
00:17:53,619 –> 00:17:54,579
Speaker:
of pictures.

489
00:17:54,579 –> 00:17:57,579
Speaker:
I heard the floor creaking
behind me.

490
00:17:57,579 –> 00:18:00,220
Speaker:
Now I was the only team member
upstairs.

491
00:18:00,220 –> 00:18:03,579
Speaker:
Everyone else was either
downstairs or outside.

492
00:18:03,579 –> 00:18:05,859
Speaker:
And I thought, well, this
building’s over two hundred

493
00:18:05,859 –> 00:18:09,619
Speaker:
years old, you know, probably
settling, making weird noises.

494
00:18:09,619 –> 00:18:13,700
Speaker:
So I went ahead and took some
more pictures and heard a

495
00:18:13,700 –> 00:18:14,779
Speaker:
creaking sound again.

496
00:18:14,779 –> 00:18:15,980
Speaker:
It was right behind me.

497
00:18:15,980 –> 00:18:18,140
Speaker:
I turned around, didn’t see
anything.

498
00:18:18,140 –> 00:18:20,079
Speaker:
So I finished taking pictures

499
00:18:20,079 –> 00:18:23,339
Speaker:
that my EMF meter did a sweep

500
00:18:23,339 –> 00:18:26,819
Speaker:
and I noticed there’s a cold

501
00:18:26,819 –> 00:18:28,779
Speaker:
spot in the cinema room where I

502
00:18:28,779 –> 00:18:30,339
Speaker:
was getting readings on the

503
00:18:30,339 –> 00:18:31,380
Speaker:
meter.

504
00:18:31,380 –> 00:18:32,220
Speaker:
Not this weird.

505
00:18:32,220 –> 00:18:35,140
Speaker:
So I traced down and
corresponded with the size and

506
00:18:35,140 –> 00:18:39,099
Speaker:
shape of an adult person
standing right there.

507
00:18:39,099 –> 00:18:43,299
Speaker:
And like I said, it was
noticeably colder where it was.

508
00:18:43,299 –> 00:18:47,299
Speaker:
All of a sudden, um, nothing was
normal again.

509
00:18:47,299 –> 00:18:49,900
Speaker:
The meter went silent.

510
00:18:49,900 –> 00:18:52,740
Speaker:
But what happens if I walk
around all of a sudden?

511
00:18:52,740 –> 00:18:56,700
Speaker:
I pick up another reading in the
area of the room where there was

512
00:18:56,700 –> 00:18:58,460
Speaker:
no readings before.

513
00:18:58,460 –> 00:19:01,259
Speaker:
Uh, man, this really messed with
me here.

514
00:19:01,259 –> 00:19:02,539
Speaker:
What’s going on?

515
00:19:02,539 –> 00:19:05,500
Speaker:
So, uh, next morning, we’re

516
00:19:05,500 –> 00:19:07,140
Speaker:
looking through our pictures and

517
00:19:07,140 –> 00:19:09,180
Speaker:
stuff, and there’s this piece of

518
00:19:09,180 –> 00:19:10,660
Speaker:
furniture.

519
00:19:10,660 –> 00:19:12,579
Speaker:
I know I’m going to mispronounce
it.

520
00:19:12,579 –> 00:19:14,779
Speaker:
The armoire or something.

521
00:19:14,779 –> 00:19:18,940
Speaker:
It’s dressed with mirrored
front, you know, and the doors.

522
00:19:18,940 –> 00:19:21,579
Speaker:
And there’s a image.

523
00:19:21,579 –> 00:19:25,440
Speaker:
I could see this dark face
staring at me out of the mirror,

524
00:19:25,440 –> 00:19:27,059
Speaker:
out of the corner.

525
00:19:27,059 –> 00:19:28,339
Speaker:
So I’m like that thought.

526
00:19:28,339 –> 00:19:30,259
Speaker:
Well, that’s me.

527
00:19:30,259 –> 00:19:31,900
Speaker:
I was the only one in the room.

528
00:19:31,900 –> 00:19:33,980
Speaker:
You know, it has to be me, but.

529
00:19:33,980 –> 00:19:35,690
Speaker:
But it doesn’t look like me.

530
00:19:35,690 –> 00:19:42,730
Speaker:
It’s a very dark skin with dark
hair, and it’s in the eyes, kind

531
00:19:42,730 –> 00:19:44,410
Speaker:
of glowing reddish.

532
00:19:44,410 –> 00:19:47,569
Speaker:
I don’t understand, so I showed
it to you, Sandy.

533
00:19:47,569 –> 00:19:50,890
Speaker:
She’s the concessionaire for the
state of Illinois, she said.

534
00:19:50,890 –> 00:19:52,890
Speaker:
Oh, my God, I know who that is.

535
00:19:52,890 –> 00:19:54,369
Speaker:
Let’s go downstairs in my
office.

536
00:19:54,369 –> 00:19:58,089
Speaker:
So she got out this old
scrapbook pictures of people,

537
00:19:58,089 –> 00:20:03,210
Speaker:
guests and employees from years
past said, that’s tote.

538
00:20:03,210 –> 00:20:05,049
Speaker:
He used to be a servant here.

539
00:20:05,049 –> 00:20:10,569
Speaker:
And dad looked at the pictures
as black men and it matched.

540
00:20:10,569 –> 00:20:11,730
Speaker:
Exactly.

541
00:20:11,730 –> 00:20:16,690
Speaker:
Being the skeptic, I thought,
now that was me in that mirror.

542
00:20:16,690 –> 00:20:18,170
Speaker:
So I said, let’s go back up
there.

543
00:20:18,170 –> 00:20:20,410
Speaker:
We’re going to reproduce this
picture.

544
00:20:20,410 –> 00:20:22,049
Speaker:
So I got up there.

545
00:20:22,049 –> 00:20:24,690
Speaker:
I squatted down, opened that

546
00:20:24,690 –> 00:20:26,250
Speaker:
door with mirrors slightly try

547
00:20:26,250 –> 00:20:29,009
Speaker:
and get my face in the mirror at

548
00:20:29,009 –> 00:20:31,589
Speaker:
the same angle, and I had to

549
00:20:31,589 –> 00:20:33,089
Speaker:
hold my arm out with the camera

550
00:20:33,089 –> 00:20:33,809
Speaker:
to camera and try and get the

551
00:20:33,809 –> 00:20:34,609
Speaker:
picture.

552
00:20:34,609 –> 00:20:36,349
Speaker:
And I realized I needed about an

553
00:20:36,349 –> 00:20:38,170
Speaker:
eight foot long arm to get the

554
00:20:38,170 –> 00:20:38,650
Speaker:
picture.

555
00:20:38,650 –> 00:20:41,210
Speaker:
The same way I’m looking at the
picture now in your book.

556
00:20:41,210 –> 00:20:42,569
Speaker:
And I see exactly what you’re
talking about.

557
00:20:42,569 –> 00:20:45,289
Speaker:
That would be hard to recreate
without the camera being visible

558
00:20:45,289 –> 00:20:46,970
Speaker:
in the mirror, it seems.

559
00:20:46,970 –> 00:20:47,329
Speaker:
Yeah.

560
00:20:47,329 –> 00:20:50,849
Speaker:
So we had the whole team up
there try and recreate it.

561
00:20:50,849 –> 00:20:53,289
Speaker:
I did a video of us trying to

562
00:20:53,289 –> 00:20:55,410
Speaker:
recreate it no matter what we

563
00:20:55,410 –> 00:20:56,049
Speaker:
did.

564
00:20:56,049 –> 00:20:58,009
Speaker:
I couldn’t reproduce it at all.

565
00:20:58,009 –> 00:21:00,970
Speaker:
So I think that was legit.

566
00:21:00,970 –> 00:21:02,170
Speaker:
Wow.

567
00:21:02,170 –> 00:21:05,450
Speaker:
And she confirmed it’s like
amazing to have immediate

568
00:21:05,450 –> 00:21:08,349
Speaker:
confirmation because the person
who was there recognizes, oh,

569
00:21:08,349 –> 00:21:11,970
Speaker:
that’s toht from, you know, back
in the day and then comparing.

570
00:21:11,970 –> 00:21:14,210
Speaker:
And so that’s, that’s amazing.

571
00:21:14,210 –> 00:21:16,809
Speaker:
Well, we were downstairs later

572
00:21:16,809 –> 00:21:17,930
Speaker:
that night taking more

573
00:21:17,930 –> 00:21:18,650
Speaker:
photographs.

574
00:21:18,650 –> 00:21:20,569
Speaker:
And we were in the front office

575
00:21:20,569 –> 00:21:23,950
Speaker:
area and took this one picture

576
00:21:23,950 –> 00:21:25,990
Speaker:
looking from the inside out

577
00:21:25,990 –> 00:21:28,130
Speaker:
through the window and saw this

578
00:21:28,130 –> 00:21:30,089
Speaker:
girl’s face on the outside

579
00:21:30,089 –> 00:21:31,849
Speaker:
looking in.

580
00:21:31,849 –> 00:21:33,289
Speaker:
Actually got a picture of.

581
00:21:33,289 –> 00:21:34,009
Speaker:
What is that?

582
00:21:34,009 –> 00:21:36,009
Speaker:
So we ran outside.

583
00:21:36,009 –> 00:21:38,049
Speaker:
See if there’s anyone around.

584
00:21:38,049 –> 00:21:39,130
Speaker:
It wasn’t.

585
00:21:39,130 –> 00:21:43,369
Speaker:
And Sandy, the lady that runs it
for a state, came to rescue me

586
00:21:43,369 –> 00:21:45,450
Speaker:
and says, I know who that is.

587
00:21:45,450 –> 00:21:50,529
Speaker:
And she shows this picture on
the wall next to that window.

588
00:21:50,529 –> 00:21:53,450
Speaker:
Said this girl that she used to
work here.

589
00:21:53,450 –> 00:21:55,009
Speaker:
She got killed by a drunk driver

590
00:21:55,009 –> 00:21:56,369
Speaker:
about a year ago, just down the

591
00:21:56,369 –> 00:21:57,410
Speaker:
road.

592
00:21:57,410 –> 00:22:00,250
Speaker:
And we looked at the picture
there and compared with the

593
00:22:00,250 –> 00:22:02,410
Speaker:
picture we took, it was her.

594
00:22:02,410 –> 00:22:03,690
Speaker:
Wow.

595
00:22:03,690 –> 00:22:06,670
Speaker:
And so that was a recent that
was somebody who not back in in

596
00:22:06,670 –> 00:22:07,450
Speaker:
the eighteen hundreds.

597
00:22:07,450 –> 00:22:10,170
Speaker:
This is like it was the previous
year someone was killed.

598
00:22:10,170 –> 00:22:10,609
Speaker:
Yeah.

599
00:22:10,609 –> 00:22:11,650
Speaker:
And in two thousand.

600
00:22:11,650 –> 00:22:12,250
Speaker:
So yeah.

601
00:22:12,250 –> 00:22:14,809
Speaker:
Gosh, I wonder what it is about

602
00:22:14,809 –> 00:22:16,890
Speaker:
that place that’s attracting

603
00:22:16,890 –> 00:22:19,490
Speaker:
that activity.

604
00:22:19,490 –> 00:22:20,329
Speaker:
You said the river.

605
00:22:20,329 –> 00:22:21,130
Speaker:
It’s near the river.

606
00:22:21,130 –> 00:22:21,650
Speaker:
You said.

607
00:22:21,650 –> 00:22:21,930
Speaker:
Yeah.

608
00:22:21,930 –> 00:22:22,289
Speaker:
Water.

609
00:22:22,289 –> 00:22:24,730
Speaker:
There’s a cemetery in the
backyard.

610
00:22:24,730 –> 00:22:26,849
Speaker:
Uh, not all the graves are
marked.

611
00:22:26,849 –> 00:22:32,609
Speaker:
In fact, there’s a a bank behind
it and part of the driveway.

612
00:22:32,609 –> 00:22:36,890
Speaker:
Uh, they paid over some of the
graves without moving them.

613
00:22:36,890 –> 00:22:40,390
Speaker:
And the state of Illinois had
some archaeologists come in and

614
00:22:40,390 –> 00:22:45,150
Speaker:
did a dig in the yard, and they
found human remains under the

615
00:22:45,150 –> 00:22:50,369
Speaker:
front porch to this Rose hotel
and some burn pits with other

616
00:22:50,369 –> 00:22:54,970
Speaker:
human remains and some that had
Indian artifacts, like it was an

617
00:22:54,970 –> 00:22:56,970
Speaker:
Indian burial right there.

618
00:22:56,970 –> 00:23:00,410
Speaker:
And you’re on this, uh, rocky
bluff over the river.

619
00:23:00,410 –> 00:23:02,410
Speaker:
I mean, it was all right there.

620
00:23:02,410 –> 00:23:04,369
Speaker:
You got the river, you got the

621
00:23:04,369 –> 00:23:06,730
Speaker:
bluffs, the rocks, you got the

622
00:23:06,730 –> 00:23:08,009
Speaker:
history.

623
00:23:08,009 –> 00:23:10,609
Speaker:
Um, to me, things adding up to.

624
00:23:10,609 –> 00:23:11,529
Speaker:
You’re checking off all the

625
00:23:11,529 –> 00:23:13,410
Speaker:
boxes as far as the paranormal

626
00:23:13,410 –> 00:23:14,289
Speaker:
stuff that could possibly

627
00:23:14,289 –> 00:23:14,529
Speaker:
happen.

628
00:23:14,529 –> 00:23:16,690
Speaker:
It’s like you’ve got it all
there now.

629
00:23:16,690 –> 00:23:18,769
Speaker:
Nothing was ever scary there.

630
00:23:18,769 –> 00:23:23,589
Speaker:
It seemed like a a friendly type
ghost, more curious about us

631
00:23:23,589 –> 00:23:25,410
Speaker:
than we probably were of it.

632
00:23:25,410 –> 00:23:26,490
Speaker:
Wow.

633
00:23:26,490 –> 00:23:28,089
Speaker:
You’re I know you’re big into
history.

634
00:23:28,089 –> 00:23:31,490
Speaker:
And so one of the things you’ve
been working on.

635
00:23:31,490 –> 00:23:32,690
Speaker:
Well, you have this, your new

636
00:23:32,690 –> 00:23:34,529
Speaker:
book, the Phil Hanna The Humane

637
00:23:34,529 –> 00:23:35,450
Speaker:
Hangman.

638
00:23:35,450 –> 00:23:36,490
Speaker:
If you want to talk a little bit

639
00:23:36,490 –> 00:23:38,569
Speaker:
about your, that book and, and

640
00:23:38,569 –> 00:23:40,369
Speaker:
your work on that, I’d love to

641
00:23:40,369 –> 00:23:41,329
Speaker:
hear it.

642
00:23:41,329 –> 00:23:48,349
Speaker:
Johanna he, uh, was a very
wealthy landowner farmer from,

643
00:23:48,349 –> 00:23:49,730
Speaker:
uh, White County.

644
00:23:49,730 –> 00:23:51,250
Speaker:
He was a bank president.

645
00:23:51,250 –> 00:23:53,690
Speaker:
He owned a car dealership.

646
00:23:53,690 –> 00:23:56,849
Speaker:
He had many different business
ventures.

647
00:23:56,849 –> 00:23:59,430
Speaker:
But back in the late eighteen

648
00:23:59,430 –> 00:24:01,410
Speaker:
hundreds, he was, I think, just

649
00:24:01,410 –> 00:24:02,809
Speaker:
nineteen.

650
00:24:02,809 –> 00:24:04,930
Speaker:
His dad took him to Mcleansboro

651
00:24:04,930 –> 00:24:06,710
Speaker:
to witness the hanging because

652
00:24:06,710 –> 00:24:08,369
Speaker:
back then the hangings were

653
00:24:08,369 –> 00:24:09,569
Speaker:
county affairs and they were

654
00:24:09,569 –> 00:24:11,089
Speaker:
published.

655
00:24:11,089 –> 00:24:12,569
Speaker:
So they got there.

656
00:24:12,569 –> 00:24:15,410
Speaker:
And of course, the guy that were
hanging, he was up on the

657
00:24:15,410 –> 00:24:16,730
Speaker:
scaffold and gave a speech.

658
00:24:16,730 –> 00:24:19,890
Speaker:
Before they hung him all in,
sprung the trap.

659
00:24:19,890 –> 00:24:21,769
Speaker:
And the sheriff did it.

660
00:24:21,769 –> 00:24:23,890
Speaker:
He was young inexperience.

661
00:24:23,890 –> 00:24:25,930
Speaker:
He didn’t know what he was
doing.

662
00:24:25,930 –> 00:24:27,089
Speaker:
Basically, the guy.

663
00:24:27,089 –> 00:24:27,690
Speaker:
They hung.

664
00:24:27,690 –> 00:24:30,250
Speaker:
He slowly strangled for over

665
00:24:30,250 –> 00:24:32,890
Speaker:
half an hour before he died, and

666
00:24:32,890 –> 00:24:34,009
Speaker:
his kicking.

667
00:24:34,009 –> 00:24:37,170
Speaker:
And it was in the winter time
you could see his breath through

668
00:24:37,170 –> 00:24:42,309
Speaker:
the hood, I mean, and it
affected Phil Hanna, I, I mean,

669
00:24:42,309 –> 00:24:44,170
Speaker:
he had bad dreams about it.

670
00:24:44,170 –> 00:24:45,869
Speaker:
And he thought, you know,

671
00:24:45,869 –> 00:24:47,170
Speaker:
there’s got to be a better way

672
00:24:47,170 –> 00:24:49,210
Speaker:
to do this so people don’t

673
00:24:49,210 –> 00:24:49,730
Speaker:
suffer.

674
00:24:49,730 –> 00:24:54,430
Speaker:
If the law says a life has to be
taken, why do you need to make

675
00:24:54,430 –> 00:24:57,089
Speaker:
it worse when it has to be?

676
00:24:57,089 –> 00:24:59,869
Speaker:
So he started studying anatomy

677
00:24:59,869 –> 00:25:03,829
Speaker:
and, uh, would do experiments

678
00:25:03,829 –> 00:25:06,029
Speaker:
like, uh, with different ropes,

679
00:25:06,029 –> 00:25:08,410
Speaker:
tying knots and stuff went out

680
00:25:08,410 –> 00:25:11,369
Speaker:
in the barn and, uh, he’d make a

681
00:25:11,369 –> 00:25:14,170
Speaker:
noose and, uh, make a, like a

682
00:25:14,170 –> 00:25:15,609
Speaker:
straw dummy and weight it down

683
00:25:15,609 –> 00:25:16,569
Speaker:
with sandbags.

684
00:25:16,569 –> 00:25:20,329
Speaker:
And he basically practiced it,
so.

685
00:25:20,329 –> 00:25:20,730
Speaker:
Oh, wow.

686
00:25:20,730 –> 00:25:22,009
Speaker:
I’m imagining what it must have

687
00:25:22,009 –> 00:25:23,650
Speaker:
been like to have been, uh, Phil

688
00:25:23,650 –> 00:25:25,289
Speaker:
Hanna’s neighbor, watching him

689
00:25:25,289 –> 00:25:26,809
Speaker:
practice hangings in the back

690
00:25:26,809 –> 00:25:27,410
Speaker:
backyard there.

691
00:25:27,410 –> 00:25:29,049
Speaker:
That must have been weird.

692
00:25:29,049 –> 00:25:29,490
Speaker:
Oh, sorry.

693
00:25:29,490 –> 00:25:30,410
Speaker:
Go ahead.

694
00:25:30,410 –> 00:25:33,250
Speaker:
A couple years later, there’s
another hanging.

695
00:25:33,250 –> 00:25:36,609
Speaker:
He went to it, and he knows the
sheriff once again.

696
00:25:36,609 –> 00:25:40,049
Speaker:
Different sheriff, but he’s
nervous because back then, the

697
00:25:40,049 –> 00:25:42,769
Speaker:
sheriff’s, it was the sheriff’s
duty to hang the people.

698
00:25:42,769 –> 00:25:46,009
Speaker:
And a lot of times they could go
through their whole career and

699
00:25:46,009 –> 00:25:48,730
Speaker:
not have a single hanged.

700
00:25:48,730 –> 00:25:52,250
Speaker:
And he could see the sheriff was
nurse was going to miss that.

701
00:25:52,250 –> 00:25:56,730
Speaker:
And Phil said, hey, Sheriff,
you’re doing it wrong.

702
00:25:56,730 –> 00:25:58,809
Speaker:
And the sheriff, just the whole

703
00:25:58,809 –> 00:26:00,690
Speaker:
crowd went quiet and they looked

704
00:26:00,690 –> 00:26:01,490
Speaker:
at Phil.

705
00:26:01,490 –> 00:26:04,809
Speaker:
The sheriff says, son, if you
think you know so much, you get

706
00:26:04,809 –> 00:26:06,690
Speaker:
up here and do it yourself.

707
00:26:06,690 –> 00:26:11,690
Speaker:
Uh, Phil did he went up there,
readjusted the the rope, the

708
00:26:11,690 –> 00:26:13,529
Speaker:
knot, everything, and hung it.

709
00:26:13,529 –> 00:26:15,009
Speaker:
And instant death.

710
00:26:15,009 –> 00:26:17,809
Speaker:
I mean, it was a perfect,
perfect thing.

711
00:26:17,809 –> 00:26:20,769
Speaker:
So from there, word got out and
went there.

712
00:26:20,769 –> 00:26:25,049
Speaker:
There’s a hanging, um, by
sheriff’s request.

713
00:26:25,049 –> 00:26:26,650
Speaker:
fill.

714
00:26:26,650 –> 00:26:29,650
Speaker:
In fact, he got so good at the
hangings.

715
00:26:29,650 –> 00:26:31,369
Speaker:
A lot of the condemned prisoners

716
00:26:31,369 –> 00:26:33,289
Speaker:
or their families would actually

717
00:26:33,289 –> 00:26:35,690
Speaker:
request Johanna be the one that

718
00:26:35,690 –> 00:26:36,970
Speaker:
does it.

719
00:26:36,970 –> 00:26:39,569
Speaker:
So there’s no. Yeah, well, I can
see why.

720
00:26:39,569 –> 00:26:40,609
Speaker:
I would rather have somebody who

721
00:26:40,609 –> 00:26:41,549
Speaker:
knows what they’re doing than

722
00:26:41,549 –> 00:26:42,609
Speaker:
somebody who’s, oh, this is my

723
00:26:42,609 –> 00:26:43,450
Speaker:
first time.

724
00:26:43,450 –> 00:26:45,609
Speaker:
And you know, it’s I don’t want
to be the practice case.

725
00:26:45,609 –> 00:26:51,569
Speaker:
So. So he had three ropes custom
made in Saint Louis, Missouri.

726
00:26:51,569 –> 00:26:52,130
Speaker:
Okay.

727
00:26:52,130 –> 00:26:54,450
Speaker:
And they were thirty six feet
long.

728
00:26:54,450 –> 00:26:55,170
Speaker:
Each one.

729
00:26:55,170 –> 00:26:58,130
Speaker:
And each rope cost him sixty
five dollars.

730
00:26:58,130 –> 00:27:00,490
Speaker:
It’s made of the finest hemp
rope.

731
00:27:00,490 –> 00:27:02,650
Speaker:
And he stretched out.

732
00:27:02,650 –> 00:27:04,049
Speaker:
He boil them, stretched them.

733
00:27:04,049 –> 00:27:05,730
Speaker:
Get all the slack out.

734
00:27:05,730 –> 00:27:10,170
Speaker:
Uh, he gets some cacao powder
and powder them down.

735
00:27:10,170 –> 00:27:12,650
Speaker:
Get some Castile soap and soap.

736
00:27:12,650 –> 00:27:14,769
Speaker:
Uh, the knots and stuff.

737
00:27:14,769 –> 00:27:16,529
Speaker:
So he would run through there

738
00:27:16,529 –> 00:27:19,549
Speaker:
real smooth and then coiled rope

739
00:27:19,549 –> 00:27:21,650
Speaker:
and put them in, uh, like, paper

740
00:27:21,650 –> 00:27:24,440
Speaker:
bags to prevent the mildew and

741
00:27:24,440 –> 00:27:24,880
Speaker:
stuff.

742
00:27:24,880 –> 00:27:27,680
Speaker:
And he had two hoods.

743
00:27:27,680 –> 00:27:29,160
Speaker:
Song for the condemned.

744
00:27:29,160 –> 00:27:31,160
Speaker:
One was black, the other was
white.

745
00:27:31,160 –> 00:27:33,640
Speaker:
And he would always give the
prisoner the choice.

746
00:27:33,640 –> 00:27:36,359
Speaker:
If you want a black hood or a
white hood.

747
00:27:36,359 –> 00:27:38,119
Speaker:
I like Charlie Burger.

748
00:27:38,119 –> 00:27:41,160
Speaker:
That was real famous down here.

749
00:27:41,160 –> 00:27:45,200
Speaker:
Fell in and hung him and gave
him the choice of the hoods.

750
00:27:45,200 –> 00:27:51,599
Speaker:
And Charlie Burger says, I ain’t
no clucker referring to the KKK.

751
00:27:51,599 –> 00:27:53,160
Speaker:
I said, give me the Black Hood.

752
00:27:53,160 –> 00:27:59,440
Speaker:
Because back in the twenties,
the KKK in southern Illinois, it

753
00:27:59,440 –> 00:28:01,200
Speaker:
was different than the Klan.

754
00:28:01,200 –> 00:28:02,160
Speaker:
Most people know about.

755
00:28:02,160 –> 00:28:03,680
Speaker:
They were asking for law and

756
00:28:03,680 –> 00:28:05,000
Speaker:
order and they would go against

757
00:28:05,000 –> 00:28:06,519
Speaker:
the bootleggers.

758
00:28:06,519 –> 00:28:09,319
Speaker:
Charlie Burger was a bootlegger
back then.

759
00:28:09,319 –> 00:28:15,099
Speaker:
You had the KKK fighting on the
side of law and order, and

760
00:28:15,099 –> 00:28:18,519
Speaker:
because a lot of the cops backed
them were corrupt.

761
00:28:18,519 –> 00:28:21,920
Speaker:
So I, you know, the clergy would
bring the Klan in.

762
00:28:21,920 –> 00:28:23,720
Speaker:
They’d try to clean up the time.

763
00:28:23,720 –> 00:28:29,400
Speaker:
But anyway, uh, Phil Hanna, he
did the hangings and Illinois,

764
00:28:29,400 –> 00:28:34,480
Speaker:
Kentucky, Missouri, Indiana and
Michigan and Arkansas.

765
00:28:34,480 –> 00:28:37,079
Speaker:
He never asked for any money for
it.

766
00:28:37,079 –> 00:28:41,480
Speaker:
Sometimes he’d ask for travel
expenses, and his only request

767
00:28:41,480 –> 00:28:45,160
Speaker:
was that he would be given the
murder weapon or something else

768
00:28:45,160 –> 00:28:47,440
Speaker:
like that for a souvenir.

769
00:28:47,440 –> 00:28:49,240
Speaker:
And surprisingly enough, like

770
00:28:49,240 –> 00:28:50,839
Speaker:
when he and Charlie Berger, the

771
00:28:50,839 –> 00:28:51,920
Speaker:
sheriff, came on Charlie

772
00:28:51,920 –> 00:28:53,920
Speaker:
Berger’s Tommy guns and two of

773
00:28:53,920 –> 00:28:55,440
Speaker:
his pistols.

774
00:28:55,440 –> 00:29:00,359
Speaker:
So he had a large collection of
murder weapons at his house.

775
00:29:00,359 –> 00:29:04,599
Speaker:
And what got me interested until
Hanna is he’s been mentioned in

776
00:29:04,599 –> 00:29:08,279
Speaker:
a few books, being the hangman,
mainly for Charlie Berger.

777
00:29:08,279 –> 00:29:13,079
Speaker:
But no one has done a study of
Phil Hanna himself.

778
00:29:13,079 –> 00:29:15,440
Speaker:
And that’s what I did with this
book.

779
00:29:15,440 –> 00:29:18,000
Speaker:
Phil Hanna the Hangman.

780
00:29:18,000 –> 00:29:19,599
Speaker:
Well, I loved reading history,

781
00:29:19,599 –> 00:29:20,759
Speaker:
mystery, and hauntings of

782
00:29:20,759 –> 00:29:22,720
Speaker:
Southern Illinois, and I can’t

783
00:29:22,720 –> 00:29:23,880
Speaker:
wait to check out your Phil

784
00:29:23,880 –> 00:29:25,160
Speaker:
Hanna book.

785
00:29:25,160 –> 00:29:28,000
Speaker:
If someone wanted to pick up
either one of those, where would

786
00:29:28,000 –> 00:29:30,680
Speaker:
you suggest they go to do so?

787
00:29:30,680 –> 00:29:34,000
Speaker:
The history, mystery, and
hauntings of Southern Illinois.

788
00:29:34,000 –> 00:29:39,640
Speaker:
They can go to Illinois history
dot com and order their.

789
00:29:39,640 –> 00:29:40,880
Speaker:
The Phil Hanna book.

790
00:29:40,880 –> 00:29:43,759
Speaker:
I am the only source for it.

791
00:29:43,759 –> 00:29:48,079
Speaker:
They can contact me on Facebook
or go to my little Egypt Society

792
00:29:48,079 –> 00:29:49,720
Speaker:
page on Facebook.

793
00:29:49,720 –> 00:29:52,640
Speaker:
And yeah, that’s the best place.

794
00:29:52,640 –> 00:29:53,960
Speaker:
I’ll put links to both of those

795
00:29:53,960 –> 00:29:55,440
Speaker:
on the, in the description notes

796
00:29:55,440 –> 00:29:57,140
Speaker:
here so that people can go to

797
00:29:57,140 –> 00:29:58,839
Speaker:
those and order them if they’d

798
00:29:58,839 –> 00:29:59,920
Speaker:
like.

799
00:29:59,920 –> 00:30:03,119
Speaker:
Thanks again, Bruce, for joining
me, and thank you for listening.

800
00:30:03,119 –> 00:30:05,319
Speaker:
And until next time, take care.