Who Killed Jean Cook?

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I was there at Saint Joe and

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Diamond working, you know, mid

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morning.

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You know, my cell phone rings.

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I don’t recognize the number.

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So this woman, I didn’t

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recognize her because she was

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distressed.

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Jean had already been shot and I

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was the first contact on her

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phone.

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She she says this man come in
and shot me.

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You’re listening to River City

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With your host law office worker
by day.

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Insomniac researcher of the
unknown by night.

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Matt Deig

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It’s been twenty years since

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Georgia Jean Cooke was shot to

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death while working at the

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Butler’s on forty one North in

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Evansville, Indiana.

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Jean Cooke was a fifty six year
old mother of two.

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On October six, two thousand and
five, she was just working a

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shift to make ends meet.

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Three hours to the end of her

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shift, when someone wanders in

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with a gun, shoots her twice,

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leaves her on the floor to bleed

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to death in the gas station

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while they steal money out of

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the register.

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Absolutely senseless.

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Leaving two children without a
mother for whatever was in the

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register at the gas station.

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Unbelievable.

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And this person, twenty years
later, is still on the loose.

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They have not been caught.

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They got away with it.

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And to make matters worse, the

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video surveillance wasn’t

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working at that location that

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day.

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So there’s no video of this
happening.

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What we what we do have,
however, is a witness statement.

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There was a man pumping gas at
the time of the shooting, and he

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says he saw a white woman with
bushy gray hair about forty five

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to sixty years old, standing
about five feet six inches tall

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and wearing dark clothing.

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He says that she got into a
mid-size, bluish gray domestic

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four door sedan and headed north
on forty one.

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That is the extent of our
description of the killer.

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There is an artist rendering of
that description, and I’ve got

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that in the show notes.

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And I’ve also kind of played
around with some AI programs.

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So I converted that sketch into
a real human might look like.

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So I’ve posted those as well
because, you know, who knows,

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maybe that might trigger
somebody to recognize somebody,

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but there really isn’t much to
go on there.

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It’s kind of a vague description
of a woman, honestly.

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And there actually were.

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There’s debate over whether it
was a woman or a man in a wig or

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in some sort of disguise.

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And we’re going to talk about
that later in the episode.

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But I speak with Andy Hinton,
who actually spoke with Jean

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after she was shot.

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She says, he shot me, so she
thinks it was a man.

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Or maybe just when you’re
shocked after you’ve been shot,

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you don’t think clearly.

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But but she seemed to indicate
that it was a man that had shot

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her for some reason.

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So speaking of Andy, he’s.

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He actually reached out to me
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case a little bit.

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So that’s why it was brought to
my attention.

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Andy was friends with Jean, and
it was a coworker of hers.

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And after Jean was shot, Jean

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actually called Andy’s phone

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first.

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And so Andy shares his insights
into the case.

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And you know what his thoughts
are as well as that, the events

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of that day.

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I also speak with Fred Cook, who
is the son of Jean cook, and he

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shares some of his thoughts on
this case as well.

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I reached out to Bobby Jo, the
daughter.

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She’s dealing with some medical
issues right now, so she’s just

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not feeling well enough to be
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But the invitation is always
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If Bobby Jew would ever, like in

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the future to speak about this

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case with me, it’s an open

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invitation.

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Just just reach out to me and
we’re on.

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But first we have Andy Hinton,
who again was Jane’s coworker,

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who received that call from Jean
after she was shot.

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This is my conversation with
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Yeah.

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So, you know, I worked with Jean

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a couple years on Saint Jo and

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Diamond, and she was a good

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woman.

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I mean, really sweet, family
oriented.

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So we I guess Buster’s was
struggling with that, uh,

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location up there at forty one
in Old state.

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So they had sent her up there to

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kind of turn the store around,

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you know?

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You know, when you get a good

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manager, you know, you can kind

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of maybe if you’re not making

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any money, you can kind of make

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it profitable.

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Sure.

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So they sent her up there and I
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was up there for.

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But this incident happened, you
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Saint Joe and Diamond working,
you know, mid-morning.

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You know, my cell phone rings

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and I don’t recognize the

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number.

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So this woman, I didn’t

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recognize her because she was

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distressed.

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Jean had already been shot, and

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I was the first contact on her

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phone.

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You know, a you’re the first one

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to come up, you know, but I was

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kind of her contact for a lot of

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stuff within, you know, the

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workplace.

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She she says this man come in
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I said, who is this?

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You know, I didn’t know who it
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I couldn’t tell it was Jean.

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So. So I kind of listened in the

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background and I hear Simona, I

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thought it was just a prank

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call.

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And so I kind of share the phone
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I said, does anybody recognize
this number?

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Nobody knew.

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Nobody knew.

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And finally, kind of hung up.

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Well, she ended up calling like
three or four times.

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And, and at that point, I don’t
know if you know, nobody knows.

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I put people on the phone, pass
the phone around.

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Does anybody know what this is?

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And she’s not really making
sense.

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You know, she kind of moaning
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Like, you know, maybe if it was
a landline, she may have just

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said it on the counter.

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Something like that.

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So. And this is a long time ago,
right?

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You know, so whenever we had
contacted each other, you know,

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I was like, I’ll try to recall,
you know what I can.

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But anyway, later on, you know,
I think kind of a little

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disturbed, you know, not not
thinking anything of it.

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And, and we have the radio on

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and we hear it over the radio

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and we all kind of realized what

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that that was Jean, that was

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Jean.

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She was calling us to say that
she had been shot and, you know,

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had some sort of emergency.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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And so you were the first
contact on her phone.

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So that’s why you’re she’s
probably punching away at

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numbers on her phone and like,
your name comes out probably

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the, the Saint Joe store pops up
on the list there.

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So she’s just calling that over
and over.

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Yeah, this was my cell phone.

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Your cell phone.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And so you guys were were you

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guys good friends or because you

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had worked together, you had

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said, yeah, yeah, we yeah, we,

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yeah, we worked together for a

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couple years there on Saint

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Joe’s.

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Just really close my, my desk
was real close to her, her

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little desk and office.

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And she did the paperwork and,
and kind of manage the little

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convenience store up there.

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And she had was friends with

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everyone, no enemies that no

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one’s ever reported there being

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any enemies or anything like

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that.

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It sounds like no doubt at all.

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She, she knew a lot of people on
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I think she lived off of Rexing

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Road somewhere, um, for a while

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and, uh, no, no, she everyone

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loved her.

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And, uh, she’s a good woman.

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Was she the type?

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I mentioned this on my discord
server, and we were just, we

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were just kind of tossing around
ideas and brainstorming before,

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you know, talking to you.

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And some people thought, well,
was she the type to if she had

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overheard or maybe witnessed
something she shouldn’t have at

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that gas station?

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Was there any sort of drug
activity or anything that she

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might have witnessed and maybe
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or say, hey, I’m going to call a
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there have been possibly some
sort of weird activity going on

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that she might have overheard?

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Well, you know, there’s a story
here, right, Matt?

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And and I don’t know how much
did I know to be true?

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Okay, so I don’t know that I
want to comment on anything

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that’s not factual.

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Sure.

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But I do know that it was a
different time at that point.

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You know, gas stations and

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convenience stores and

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drugstores sold pseudoephedrine,

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right.

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You know, which is used to make
methamphetamine, right?

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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And, um, we, you know, all the,

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all the gas stations did, we

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weren’t doing something that

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anyone else wasn’t doing at the

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time.

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could recall this because I

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didn’t have anything to do with

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the convenience store side of

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things, I ran more of the oil

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company side.

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So I believe the laws were like,

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maybe you could buy two boxes a

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day.

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Mhm.

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I don’t really know, to be
honest with you, I don’t know.

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We had a woman that kind of
managed that whole program.

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Her name was Nancy Markham.

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She kind of managed the gas
stations.

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And then Charlie Wolfinger, he
was the president and he which

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Charlie is a he was the next
sheriff, uh, deputy.

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At one point.

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So he’s very he was very

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knowledgeable on the on the

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case.

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Right.

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He was working really close with
the authorities.

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Um, because I, I think he still
sworn in as a, as a deputy.

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So you might reach out to him
because he knows more facts on

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the case than I do.

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But anyway, back to the
pseudoephedrine.

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So you kind of got some shady
characters coming in.

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Mhm.

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You know, I think you could buy
a couple bucks a day.

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I, you know, you had to record
it, put their names down.

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So there’s a record of who’s
buying this stuff.

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And I always suspected that it
had something to do with that.

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Okay.

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Like, so someone might have been
pretending to be someone else to

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get maybe a bigger supply and
then possible maybe she

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recognized that person and said,
hey, you’re so and so.

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But it didn’t.

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She didn’t say that on the phone
call, though.

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She said, I’ve been robbed by.

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Well, no, she said, I’ve been
shot.

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I’ve been shot.

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But a man came in here and shot
me.

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And I know that you know, which
is crazy because everybody has

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been looking for a woman, right?

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Uh, it could have been a a man
with a wig.

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I, I don’t know, but she had
said a man had come in and shot

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me from her own work.

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Looking through some old
newspaper articles, there was a

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witness who I guess came in the
store after she was shot and

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called nine hundred eleven.

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Apparently he was able to ask

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one question, the article said,

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and it said it was this a

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robbery?

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And she says yes.

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And that was literally all he
could get out of her.

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You know, if she’s struggling to

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talk and maybe disoriented or

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something.

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Sure, sure, I don’t know.

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But that’s what she told that
person.

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And, you know, and I guess they
saw a woman with curly hair and

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forty, forty five to sixty years
old, you know, leave putting

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something in her purse.

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But she told you it was a man.

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Like you said, if you’re shot,
you’re maybe you’re not making a

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whole lot of sense.

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Eyewitness is going to be a
better, a better, um, you know,

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than a phone call.

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You know, eyewitness is better
testimony, I guess.

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Well, I mean, it just sounds

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like there’s confusion all

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around.

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I mean, because the police don’t

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even know if they’re looking for

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a male or a female or, you know,

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somebody in disguise or what the

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motive was.

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And I guess that’s how this
person has remained so elusive

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for all these years.

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And unfortunately, it sounds
like she when she started the

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day she had left the video
surveillance running all night.

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So when she got to the store,
she actually turned it.

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She thought she was turning it
on and apparently she was

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turning it off.

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So there was no surveillance,
right?

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I, I had heard something about
that.

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That’s a little something

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doesn’t sound real, you know,

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doesn’t put past smell test is

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what what some would say, you

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know, you know, as far as I

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know, those were on continuous

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loops.

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I don’t really remember the, the
style they had, but I think it

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was VHS at the time.

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Okay.

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Um, not really.

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I don’t think it was digital.

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Um, but like I said, some other
people, uh, like Charlie or

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Nancy might even be able to know
more than I would on that.

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Did you ever know if they.

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I can’t find that they actually
saw a license plate on this car

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that drove up.

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Apparently they saw a bluish

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gray four door sedan drive off

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heading north on forty one after

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the.

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The shooting.

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But no one has ever mentioned if

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they had someone like caught a

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glimpse of the license plate, I

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wonder.

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Right.

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No, I have not heard that.

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But you know, we’re really close
to sixty four.

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You could go east or west and

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and be gone in a matter of no

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time.

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So it could have been a random
robbery.

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It could have.

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But with with the things that
were going on up there.

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I just don’t think so.

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And that was my short discussion
with Andy, and I appreciate he

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reached out to me to put this
case on my radar very much.

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And I did reach out to Charlie
Wolfinger, the president of

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Bussler Enterprises, and he
basically directed me to the

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detective, Randy Chapman.

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He said that Randy’s going to
know everything, have all the

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answers to the questions I have.

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So I went ahead and just went
with the interview with Randy,

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which is coming up here shortly.

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And up next, we’ve got my
interview with Fred Cook.

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Now, Fred is Jean Cook’s son, so

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we get to hear his perspective

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on what this case is like for

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him and his thoughts on the

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investigation and things along

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those lines.

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So this is my discussion with
Fred.

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I guess to me, knowing where it
happened at is probably why it

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is not solved, because that is
one major thoroughfare.

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And with the limited amount of,

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you know, back, back, I guess

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obviously back then, even though

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there was cameras there, there

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was just not enough stopping

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people stopping by there at that

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little store.

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You know, nowadays you see every
convenience store around packed

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on every corner.

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But that one there was not, you

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know, a very busy store with the

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big ones just right down the

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road.

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Yeah.

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And it was kind of isolated
where it was too.

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It was kind of like it’s in its

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own little area there where

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there wasn’t a lot else around

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there.

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So, um, I guess it would be easy

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for somebody to get in and out

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of there.

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Now, there were a couple of
witnesses who saw the person

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coming out, they say.

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And there’s been kind of
conflicting information about

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that as well.

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Like, was it a man or a woman?

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Somebody in disguise?

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Yep.

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That’s the that’s all that’s
been the one that’s bothered me

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the most is it’s went back and
forth between whether it was a

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man, whether it was a woman.

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It was a gray haired.

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It was an older.

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Nobody really knew.

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You know, there were
speculations of the car.

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So, you know, it’s hard, you
know, and you think about it

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every time you drive by there.

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Now that it’s an empty lot, what

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was missed, what could have been

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found and what could have been

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seen had it not happened right

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there?

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But yeah, everything that I
talked to, whenever I was

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talking to the detectives on it,
you know, I would get phone

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calls and of course, reach out.

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You know, in the days that

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pretty much took place after

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that, in the weeks, you know,

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then, you know, as I said, you

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know, it’s like, hey, you know,

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we’ll, we’ll reach out if we get

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something promising.

438
00:15:47.730 –> 00:15:49.450
Speaker:
Um, you know, they, they

439
00:15:49.450 –> 00:15:50.970
Speaker:
traveled, they went to a lot of

440
00:15:50.970 –> 00:15:51.610
Speaker:
places.

441
00:15:51.610 –> 00:15:56.080
Speaker:
I mean, there was even there was
a lead even down under the

442
00:15:56.080 –> 00:16:00.759
Speaker:
bridge under the twin bridges
that we actually I actually got

443
00:16:00.759 –> 00:16:01.919
Speaker:
to travel with down there.

444
00:16:01.919 –> 00:16:06.419
Speaker:
And just to kind of see at the
same time and it was, you know,

445
00:16:06.419 –> 00:16:08.799
Speaker:
there was even that close of
one, they went down, they looked

446
00:16:08.799 –> 00:16:11.879
Speaker:
for a specific vehicle that was
supposed to be down there.

447
00:16:11.879 –> 00:16:14.759
Speaker:
And so they went down, checked
out one of the trailers that was

448
00:16:14.759 –> 00:16:17.759
Speaker:
down there, and it led out to be
nothing at all.

449
00:16:17.759 –> 00:16:20.860
Speaker:
But there was all kinds of
people talking, you know,

450
00:16:20.860 –> 00:16:23.080
Speaker:
certain people that were in jail
talked about it, and they tried

451
00:16:23.080 –> 00:16:25.519
Speaker:
to get their way out of it, but
it turned out to be nothing.

452
00:16:25.519 –> 00:16:28.200
Speaker:
And we would get phone calls on
it all the time.

453
00:16:28.200 –> 00:16:29.600
Speaker:
So, hey, this is what we’re
going on.

454
00:16:29.600 –> 00:16:30.639
Speaker:
This is what we’re hearing.

455
00:16:30.639 –> 00:16:31.679
Speaker:
You know, we’re going to go
check this out.

456
00:16:31.679 –> 00:16:32.679
Speaker:
This could be a possibility.

457
00:16:32.679 –> 00:16:33.799
Speaker:
This person was in the area.

458
00:16:33.799 –> 00:16:35.639
Speaker:
This person knew it.

459
00:16:35.639 –> 00:16:40.179
Speaker:
But over the years it all faded
out and then nothing has really

460
00:16:40.179 –> 00:16:43.120
Speaker:
transpired again after that.

461
00:16:43.120 –> 00:16:46.120
Speaker:
And then, you know, I pretty
much talked to all of them until

462
00:16:46.120 –> 00:16:49.600
Speaker:
they, I guess, have transferred
cases to different detectives

463
00:16:49.600 –> 00:16:50.399
Speaker:
over the time.

464
00:16:50.399 –> 00:16:53.360
Speaker:
And because detectives have
retired and so forth.

465
00:16:53.360 –> 00:16:54.320
Speaker:
Like what?

466
00:16:54.320 –> 00:16:55.519
Speaker:
What do you think happened?

467
00:16:55.519 –> 00:16:56.759
Speaker:
Like if you had to put all your

468
00:16:56.759 –> 00:16:58.399
Speaker:
money in one on one bet, like

469
00:16:58.399 –> 00:16:59.779
Speaker:
who do you what do you think

470
00:16:59.779 –> 00:17:00.879
Speaker:
actually happened?

471
00:17:00.879 –> 00:17:04.420
Speaker:
I mean, I would I mean, I would
have to say it was a random one

472
00:17:04.420 –> 00:17:09.759
Speaker:
off, uh, at this point because,
you know, I don’t, I honestly

473
00:17:09.759 –> 00:17:13.720
Speaker:
don’t know why or who or anybody
like that in their nature would

474
00:17:13.720 –> 00:17:14.480
Speaker:
do that again.

475
00:17:14.480 –> 00:17:19.440
Speaker:
But it was such a secluded,
small convenience store that

476
00:17:19.440 –> 00:17:23.079
Speaker:
would make it easy for somebody
to go in and do something.

477
00:17:23.079 –> 00:17:25.680
Speaker:
I, you know, I don’t, I honestly

478
00:17:25.680 –> 00:17:29.059
Speaker:
don’t know why or how, but

479
00:17:29.059 –> 00:17:30.160
Speaker:
that’s the only thing I can come

480
00:17:30.160 –> 00:17:30.680
Speaker:
up with.

481
00:17:30.680 –> 00:17:34.680
Speaker:
I don’t I mean, never to my
knowledge, you know, across the

482
00:17:34.680 –> 00:17:38.240
Speaker:
board, my mom never had no
enemies across the board at all.

483
00:17:38.240 –> 00:17:42.519
Speaker:
You know, she was an older lady
just working to make ends meet

484
00:17:42.519 –> 00:17:46.079
Speaker:
and survive like everybody else
does, you know, and yeah, it

485
00:17:46.079 –> 00:17:48.960
Speaker:
doesn’t sound like she had
anybody who had anything out for

486
00:17:48.960 –> 00:17:49.759
Speaker:
her or anything like that.

487
00:17:49.759 –> 00:17:53.619
Speaker:
I mean, one thing you wonder if
maybe she had staggered upon a

488
00:17:53.619 –> 00:17:55.519
Speaker:
transaction she shouldn’t have
seen or something.

489
00:17:55.519 –> 00:17:58.180
Speaker:
And maybe somebody tried to make
sure she wouldn’t have gone to

490
00:17:58.180 –> 00:17:59.559
Speaker:
the police with it or something,
I don’t know.

491
00:17:59.559 –> 00:18:01.500
Speaker:
I mean, you have to just get
creative at some point and say,

492
00:18:01.500 –> 00:18:02.519
Speaker:
you know what in the world?

493
00:18:02.519 –> 00:18:05.000
Speaker:
But like you said, sometimes
maybe it’s just a random thing

494
00:18:05.000 –> 00:18:07.720
Speaker:
where some lunatic took
advantage of a situation and

495
00:18:07.720 –> 00:18:10.579
Speaker:
wanted to rob her cash register,
you know, and that’s the only

496
00:18:10.579 –> 00:18:13.079
Speaker:
thing that I can come up with,
you know, there’s no rhyme or

497
00:18:13.079 –> 00:18:13.680
Speaker:
reason to it.

498
00:18:13.680 –> 00:18:15.680
Speaker:
I could, I do not for the life

499
00:18:15.680 –> 00:18:17.079
Speaker:
of me, I’ve ran every possible

500
00:18:17.079 –> 00:18:18.519
Speaker:
scenario through my own head, I

501
00:18:18.519 –> 00:18:18.799
Speaker:
bet.

502
00:18:18.799 –> 00:18:19.160
Speaker:
Yeah.

503
00:18:19.160 –> 00:18:21.799
Speaker:
Trying to figure it out, you
know, and, you know, I never

504
00:18:21.799 –> 00:18:23.079
Speaker:
even got to talk to her.

505
00:18:23.079 –> 00:18:24.619
Speaker:
I mean, by the time I, you know,

506
00:18:24.619 –> 00:18:25.640
Speaker:
by the time I was at the

507
00:18:25.640 –> 00:18:27.960
Speaker:
hospital, she was already to the

508
00:18:27.960 –> 00:18:29.019
Speaker:
point of not being able to

509
00:18:29.019 –> 00:18:30.000
Speaker:
communicate.

510
00:18:30.000 –> 00:18:33.660
Speaker:
And so that was kind of where,
you know, it would be nice to

511
00:18:33.660 –> 00:18:36.680
Speaker:
have been able to say, hey, what
did you see?

512
00:18:36.680 –> 00:18:37.759
Speaker:
Give me something.

513
00:18:37.759 –> 00:18:38.640
Speaker:
Talk to me.

514
00:18:38.640 –> 00:18:39.920
Speaker:
But you got to think about it.

515
00:18:39.920 –> 00:18:41.420
Speaker:
Even by that time, they’re

516
00:18:41.420 –> 00:18:43.480
Speaker:
within a twenty minute span,

517
00:18:43.480 –> 00:18:45.359
Speaker:
down forty one to sixty four in

518
00:18:45.359 –> 00:18:46.160
Speaker:
any direction.

519
00:18:46.160 –> 00:18:50.319
Speaker:
Oh yeah, that’s a lot of miles
covered for anything nowadays.

520
00:18:50.319 –> 00:18:51.440
Speaker:
if you look at every single

521
00:18:51.440 –> 00:18:52.960
Speaker:
convenience store and grocery

522
00:18:52.960 –> 00:18:54.619
Speaker:
store and campus, there is a

523
00:18:54.619 –> 00:18:56.599
Speaker:
camera on every light pole gas

524
00:18:56.599 –> 00:18:57.279
Speaker:
pump.

525
00:18:57.279 –> 00:18:58.599
Speaker:
I mean, you’re not.

526
00:18:58.599 –> 00:19:00.039
Speaker:
Every vehicle is scanned.

527
00:19:00.039 –> 00:19:03.799
Speaker:
And one of the things that has
always been brought to mind is

528
00:19:03.799 –> 00:19:07.839
Speaker:
if you’re standing there pumping
gas and something was to happen,

529
00:19:07.839 –> 00:19:13.480
Speaker:
would you be able to identify
even two vehicles around you in

530
00:19:13.480 –> 00:19:14.480
Speaker:
the drop of a hat?

531
00:19:14.480 –> 00:19:15.400
Speaker:
Probably not.

532
00:19:15.400 –> 00:19:17.480
Speaker:
So that question always comes up

533
00:19:17.480 –> 00:19:18.720
Speaker:
is that’s one of the things, you

534
00:19:18.720 –> 00:19:19.160
Speaker:
know.

535
00:19:19.160 –> 00:19:21.119
Speaker:
I mean, my wife would even be
one to tell you too.

536
00:19:21.119 –> 00:19:22.559
Speaker:
I said, I never said with my

537
00:19:22.559 –> 00:19:24.160
Speaker:
back to the door anywhere I’m

538
00:19:24.160 –> 00:19:25.640
Speaker:
at, I always look out to where I

539
00:19:25.640 –> 00:19:26.640
Speaker:
can see what’s going on around

540
00:19:26.640 –> 00:19:26.799
Speaker:
me.

541
00:19:26.799 –> 00:19:29.759
Speaker:
It’s something that I’ve always
done my whole life, and I’m

542
00:19:29.759 –> 00:19:32.200
Speaker:
always diligent about what’s
going on around me.

543
00:19:32.200 –> 00:19:35.940
Speaker:
I still say to this day that
even if somebody walked up to me

544
00:19:35.940 –> 00:19:38.559
Speaker:
while I was pumping gas, as soon
as I got done and put the gas

545
00:19:38.559 –> 00:19:41.279
Speaker:
pump up guy in the car, they
said, can you tell me what car

546
00:19:41.279 –> 00:19:43.079
Speaker:
was left and right of you?

547
00:19:43.079 –> 00:19:45.559
Speaker:
I would, even though it’s as
diligent as I am about it, I

548
00:19:45.559 –> 00:19:47.839
Speaker:
would probably say, could you
draw a blank?

549
00:19:47.839 –> 00:19:50.319
Speaker:
Instantly you draw a blank
almost as soon as somebody

550
00:19:50.319 –> 00:19:51.039
Speaker:
corners you with it.

551
00:19:51.039 –> 00:19:53.000
Speaker:
But then you also feel like you
should know.

552
00:19:53.000 –> 00:19:56.160
Speaker:
So does your brain, like, fill
in the gaps and say, oh, it was

553
00:19:56.160 –> 00:19:58.680
Speaker:
a four door bluish gray
something or another.

554
00:19:58.680 –> 00:19:59.759
Speaker:
And it’s like, oh, yeah.

555
00:19:59.759 –> 00:20:01.640
Speaker:
Then you, you remember trying to

556
00:20:01.640 –> 00:20:02.839
Speaker:
remember that and like, it’s

557
00:20:02.839 –> 00:20:04.019
Speaker:
like a false memory kind of a

558
00:20:04.019 –> 00:20:04.559
Speaker:
thing.

559
00:20:04.559 –> 00:20:05.519
Speaker:
So that’s one of the, that’s,

560
00:20:05.519 –> 00:20:06.559
Speaker:
that’s one of the things about

561
00:20:06.559 –> 00:20:06.920
Speaker:
it.

562
00:20:06.920 –> 00:20:09.640
Speaker:
It does, I mean, you’re always,
you think, you know, just with

563
00:20:09.640 –> 00:20:12.319
Speaker:
that one, I think they even try
to do some hypnosis on some of

564
00:20:12.319 –> 00:20:13.519
Speaker:
the people that were there.

565
00:20:13.519 –> 00:20:13.799
Speaker:
Yeah.

566
00:20:13.799 –> 00:20:16.799
Speaker:
To try to bring them to try to
get them to do a little memory

567
00:20:16.799 –> 00:20:17.519
Speaker:
because they did.

568
00:20:17.519 –> 00:20:19.319
Speaker:
I knew that’s what one of the
detectives said.

569
00:20:19.319 –> 00:20:21.279
Speaker:
He goes, we’re going to try to
do hypnosis, see if they can’t

570
00:20:21.279 –> 00:20:24.019
Speaker:
bring back some of the
subconscious to see if they can

571
00:20:24.019 –> 00:20:25.920
Speaker:
bring back some memories and
some of that.

572
00:20:25.920 –> 00:20:28.519
Speaker:
And and that was pretty short
after, you know, while

573
00:20:28.519 –> 00:20:29.599
Speaker:
everything was still fresh.

574
00:20:29.599 –> 00:20:30.039
Speaker:
Yeah.

575
00:20:30.039 –> 00:20:31.519
Speaker:
They didn’t lead up to nothing.

576
00:20:31.519 –> 00:20:34.519
Speaker:
It might just be something they
never released, but it seems

577
00:20:34.519 –> 00:20:36.559
Speaker:
like there’s a lot of questions
and it’s just not a lot of

578
00:20:36.559 –> 00:20:38.000
Speaker:
answers in your mom’s case.

579
00:20:38.000 –> 00:20:39.559
Speaker:
So it’s like, not at all.

580
00:20:39.559 –> 00:20:41.359
Speaker:
And it went, it just went quiet.

581
00:20:41.359 –> 00:20:43.200
Speaker:
You know, I feel like they knew.

582
00:20:43.200 –> 00:20:47.160
Speaker:
I feel like they chased every
ghost that they could chase.

583
00:20:47.160 –> 00:20:50.829
Speaker:
I think they and I don’t know
how detectives work, but, you

584
00:20:50.829 –> 00:20:52.829
Speaker:
know, I’d like to think that
it’s always still sitting on

585
00:20:52.829 –> 00:20:55.589
Speaker:
somebody’s desk when there ain’t
something going on.

586
00:20:55.589 –> 00:20:58.029
Speaker:
It’s like, hey, let’s dig back
into this for a little while and

587
00:20:58.029 –> 00:20:59.950
Speaker:
see what we can come up with.

588
00:20:59.950 –> 00:21:02.309
Speaker:
Yeah, a lot of times something
has to happen.

589
00:21:02.309 –> 00:21:04.589
Speaker:
Like somebody cracks in a, you

590
00:21:04.589 –> 00:21:05.829
Speaker:
know, somebody gets arrested and

591
00:21:05.829 –> 00:21:06.910
Speaker:
it turns out that they end up

592
00:21:06.910 –> 00:21:07.990
Speaker:
telling one of their cellmates

593
00:21:07.990 –> 00:21:08.930
Speaker:
something else that leads to

594
00:21:08.930 –> 00:21:09.710
Speaker:
something else.

595
00:21:09.710 –> 00:21:11.910
Speaker:
And then it kind of breaks
everything wide open.

596
00:21:11.910 –> 00:21:13.710
Speaker:
So that just apparently hasn’t

597
00:21:13.710 –> 00:21:15.150
Speaker:
happened yet, but fingers

598
00:21:15.150 –> 00:21:16.910
Speaker:
crossed that something does

599
00:21:16.910 –> 00:21:18.269
Speaker:
happen and they find this

600
00:21:18.269 –> 00:21:18.869
Speaker:
person.

601
00:21:18.869 –> 00:21:21.430
Speaker:
Those conversations have been
had, too, about the fact that

602
00:21:21.430 –> 00:21:24.470
Speaker:
they’re waiting on, you know,
this, that usually the bad

603
00:21:24.470 –> 00:21:28.029
Speaker:
people are usually end up either
in a bar in jail and start

604
00:21:28.029 –> 00:21:29.309
Speaker:
talking, he says.

605
00:21:29.309 –> 00:21:31.269
Speaker:
And then when you get that
person start talking, that

606
00:21:31.269 –> 00:21:33.789
Speaker:
usually leads to this other
person saying, this is my

607
00:21:33.789 –> 00:21:35.630
Speaker:
opportunity to get out of here.

608
00:21:35.630 –> 00:21:36.829
Speaker:
I’m going to say something.

609
00:21:36.829 –> 00:21:37.789
Speaker:
I was told that by the

610
00:21:37.789 –> 00:21:38.910
Speaker:
detectives once because we’re

611
00:21:38.910 –> 00:21:39.789
Speaker:
just kind of waiting on that

612
00:21:39.789 –> 00:21:40.309
Speaker:
break.

613
00:21:40.309 –> 00:21:41.750
Speaker:
My thinking is that maybe, you

614
00:21:41.750 –> 00:21:42.869
Speaker:
know, in twenty years have

615
00:21:42.869 –> 00:21:43.109
Speaker:
passed.

616
00:21:43.109 –> 00:21:47.950
Speaker:
So I was thinking maybe somebody
who might have thought a certain

617
00:21:47.950 –> 00:21:50.869
Speaker:
way twenty years ago might have
had a change of heart and been

618
00:21:50.869 –> 00:21:52.470
Speaker:
like, you know, I didn’t want to
say anything back then.

619
00:21:52.470 –> 00:21:54.190
Speaker:
Somebody did say something.

620
00:21:54.190 –> 00:21:56.710
Speaker:
But I’m in a different point in
my life now, and I think I’m

621
00:21:56.710 –> 00:21:58.190
Speaker:
going to come forward.

622
00:21:58.190 –> 00:22:00.589
Speaker:
Um, because you never know,
somebody just might not want to

623
00:22:00.589 –> 00:22:02.390
Speaker:
mess with the police and they,
but they do know something

624
00:22:02.390 –> 00:22:03.349
Speaker:
that’s kind of important.

625
00:22:03.349 –> 00:22:04.150
Speaker:
So.

626
00:22:04.150 –> 00:22:04.589
Speaker:
Right.

627
00:22:04.589 –> 00:22:05.710
Speaker:
And, you know, they may think

628
00:22:05.710 –> 00:22:06.630
Speaker:
it’s going to end up putting

629
00:22:06.630 –> 00:22:08.470
Speaker:
them in a position where they

630
00:22:08.470 –> 00:22:09.430
Speaker:
think they’re going to get in

631
00:22:09.430 –> 00:22:09.829
Speaker:
trouble.

632
00:22:09.829 –> 00:22:11.109
Speaker:
And exactly.

633
00:22:11.109 –> 00:22:12.430
Speaker:
Because you just, you know, just

634
00:22:12.430 –> 00:22:13.390
Speaker:
like you said, nobody ever

635
00:22:13.390 –> 00:22:14.589
Speaker:
really knows what they can and

636
00:22:14.589 –> 00:22:16.309
Speaker:
cannot say, you know, so it’s

637
00:22:16.309 –> 00:22:17.470
Speaker:
always just kept in the back of

638
00:22:17.470 –> 00:22:17.950
Speaker:
their mind.

639
00:22:17.950 –> 00:22:21.150
Speaker:
But you figure conscience would
eat at you after a while, right?

640
00:22:21.150 –> 00:22:23.630
Speaker:
Especially the older you get,
maybe you start.

641
00:22:23.630 –> 00:22:24.390
Speaker:
You’d think so.

642
00:22:24.390 –> 00:22:24.869
Speaker:
Some people.

643
00:22:24.869 –> 00:22:27.630
Speaker:
But I mean, usually these people
aren’t brilliant.

644
00:22:27.630 –> 00:22:30.150
Speaker:
So they say something to the
wrong person and just somebody

645
00:22:30.150 –> 00:22:31.309
Speaker:
has to come forward.

646
00:22:31.309 –> 00:22:34.630
Speaker:
Somebody knows something you
would think is my guess.

647
00:22:34.630 –> 00:22:36.369
Speaker:
So it’s just a matter of time

648
00:22:36.369 –> 00:22:37.589
Speaker:
or, you know, something that

649
00:22:37.589 –> 00:22:38.829
Speaker:
could happen is the person was

650
00:22:38.829 –> 00:22:40.069
Speaker:
arrested for something else and

651
00:22:40.069 –> 00:22:41.809
Speaker:
may just be sitting in jail or

652
00:22:41.809 –> 00:22:44.130
Speaker:
something else and just never,

653
00:22:44.130 –> 00:22:45.430
Speaker:
you know, nobody ever connected

654
00:22:45.430 –> 00:22:46.230
Speaker:
the dots.

655
00:22:46.230 –> 00:22:48.849
Speaker:
I guess we just never know that
to them, just keeping it to

656
00:22:48.849 –> 00:22:49.950
Speaker:
themselves the whole time.

657
00:22:49.950 –> 00:22:53.829
Speaker:
Like, I’ll take this to my grave
and I’m not worried about it.

658
00:22:53.829 –> 00:22:56.910
Speaker:
I feel horrible for you guys,
and I just you’ve always been on

659
00:22:56.910 –> 00:22:58.789
Speaker:
my mind for the last twenty
years, and I remember seeing the

660
00:22:58.789 –> 00:23:01.789
Speaker:
billboards of your mom up, and
it’s just hopefully putting the

661
00:23:01.789 –> 00:23:04.549
Speaker:
spotlight on your mom’s case
helps out in some way.

662
00:23:04.549 –> 00:23:07.349
Speaker:
Just gets it out there and gets
people talking about it again.

663
00:23:07.349 –> 00:23:08.630
Speaker:
Yeah, I mean, I hope so.

664
00:23:08.630 –> 00:23:10.509
Speaker:
I mean, and I’m, you know, I’m
glad you reached out.

665
00:23:10.509 –> 00:23:11.309
Speaker:
I appreciate it.

666
00:23:11.309 –> 00:23:12.849
Speaker:
And I’ve had news people call

667
00:23:12.849 –> 00:23:15.069
Speaker:
multiple times and you know, in

668
00:23:15.069 –> 00:23:17.630
Speaker:
the news is one thing, um, you

669
00:23:17.630 –> 00:23:19.990
Speaker:
know, it does get out there, but

670
00:23:19.990 –> 00:23:21.369
Speaker:
sometimes, I mean, they, they

671
00:23:21.369 –> 00:23:22.950
Speaker:
battered it pretty hard during

672
00:23:22.950 –> 00:23:24.349
Speaker:
that and they did their job and

673
00:23:24.349 –> 00:23:24.750
Speaker:
so on.

674
00:23:24.750 –> 00:23:27.390
Speaker:
But you know, sometimes they’re
just looking to fill in time and

675
00:23:27.390 –> 00:23:30.029
Speaker:
it’s like, you know, it’s just
not all about that, right?

676
00:23:30.029 –> 00:23:33.109
Speaker:
You know, I’m more interested in
more of a casual situation.

677
00:23:33.109 –> 00:23:35.549
Speaker:
If I’m going to discuss it, just
kind of let it be at that.

678
00:23:35.549 –> 00:23:38.269
Speaker:
And my sister, she is in a bad
way right now.

679
00:23:38.269 –> 00:23:40.670
Speaker:
So she, she fought it for a long
time.

680
00:23:40.670 –> 00:23:45.390
Speaker:
She, she stayed diligent with it
for, for a very long time, you

681
00:23:45.390 –> 00:23:46.829
Speaker:
know, trying to keep it up.

682
00:23:46.829 –> 00:23:48.390
Speaker:
I mean, you can only put so much

683
00:23:48.390 –> 00:23:49.470
Speaker:
energy into something before it

684
00:23:49.470 –> 00:23:50.710
Speaker:
starts affecting your own health

685
00:23:50.710 –> 00:23:51.269
Speaker:
and well-being.

686
00:23:51.269 –> 00:23:53.470
Speaker:
And it’s like, you know, you
have to kind of, you know, I

687
00:23:53.470 –> 00:23:55.950
Speaker:
can’t imagine being having a
family member, you know, lose a

688
00:23:55.950 –> 00:23:58.349
Speaker:
family member like that to have
to deal with that in any way,

689
00:23:58.349 –> 00:23:59.029
Speaker:
shape or form.

690
00:23:59.029 –> 00:24:02.710
Speaker:
So and you hope that the law,
you know, and you leave your,

691
00:24:02.710 –> 00:24:05.470
Speaker:
you know, you leave the side of
it to the law to make sure they

692
00:24:05.470 –> 00:24:05.990
Speaker:
do their job.

693
00:24:05.990 –> 00:24:07.309
Speaker:
That’s what they’re trying to do
every day.

694
00:24:07.309 –> 00:24:09.970
Speaker:
Just like people are trained to
do a lot of things, you, you

695
00:24:09.970 –> 00:24:12.230
Speaker:
reach out to professionals and
say, hey, you know, this is all

696
00:24:12.230 –> 00:24:12.789
Speaker:
in you guys.

697
00:24:12.789 –> 00:24:16.549
Speaker:
So but again, that one right
there, just like probably many

698
00:24:16.549 –> 00:24:20.950
Speaker:
others that go unfound every
day, every year, it’s like

699
00:24:20.950 –> 00:24:23.910
Speaker:
finding a needle in a haystack
unless it’s just cut and dry.

700
00:24:23.910 –> 00:24:27.349
Speaker:
And so, you know, I give them
I’m glad they’re out there.

701
00:24:27.349 –> 00:24:29.269
Speaker:
I’m glad they did what they did,
and I’m glad they’re doing what

702
00:24:29.269 –> 00:24:32.509
Speaker:
they’re doing at this point for
this one and for many others.

703
00:24:32.509 –> 00:24:34.470
Speaker:
Yeah, just to, you know, they

704
00:24:34.470 –> 00:24:35.509
Speaker:
have their work cut out for

705
00:24:35.509 –> 00:24:36.029
Speaker:
them.

706
00:24:36.029 –> 00:24:36.549
Speaker:
Yeah.

707
00:24:36.549 –> 00:24:39.190
Speaker:
The thing is, the technology is
always improving.

708
00:24:39.190 –> 00:24:42.309
Speaker:
So their ability to connect the
dots is always made easier with

709
00:24:42.309 –> 00:24:43.269
Speaker:
the technology, I think.

710
00:24:43.269 –> 00:24:44.509
Speaker:
So maybe something will happen

711
00:24:44.509 –> 00:24:45.509
Speaker:
somewhere else and that’ll

712
00:24:45.509 –> 00:24:46.710
Speaker:
trigger something in a system

713
00:24:46.710 –> 00:24:47.660
Speaker:
where they’ll be like, oh, wait

714
00:24:47.660 –> 00:24:48.420
Speaker:
a minute.

715
00:24:48.420 –> 00:24:49.380
Speaker:
And you know, having that

716
00:24:49.380 –> 00:24:51.220
Speaker:
building gone, I feel like

717
00:24:51.220 –> 00:24:53.559
Speaker:
sometimes probably put a hurt to

718
00:24:53.559 –> 00:24:53.940
Speaker:
that.

719
00:24:53.940 –> 00:24:54.819
Speaker:
Yeah.

720
00:24:54.819 –> 00:25:00.220
Speaker:
Um. Oh, no. Granted, it hasn’t
been gone for terribly long, but

721
00:25:00.220 –> 00:25:04.279
Speaker:
going back up there and being
able to step over everything,

722
00:25:04.279 –> 00:25:06.740
Speaker:
maybe even with the technology,
maybe figuring out that there

723
00:25:06.740 –> 00:25:08.819
Speaker:
was something going on with the
cameras and they were actually

724
00:25:08.819 –> 00:25:11.500
Speaker:
recording and they and they just
didn’t see it.

725
00:25:11.500 –> 00:25:12.660
Speaker:
You know, nowadays you could

726
00:25:12.660 –> 00:25:13.740
Speaker:
have probably pulled that out

727
00:25:13.740 –> 00:25:15.140
Speaker:
and maybe seen, you know, who

728
00:25:15.140 –> 00:25:15.859
Speaker:
knows?

729
00:25:15.859 –> 00:25:18.660
Speaker:
There’s all there’s a lot of
that if ands and buts.

730
00:25:18.660 –> 00:25:18.980
Speaker:
Yeah.

731
00:25:18.980 –> 00:25:22.019
Speaker:
That trail back across the board
to, you know, we’ll see.

732
00:25:22.019 –> 00:25:24.099
Speaker:
Maybe, you know, maybe you

733
00:25:24.099 –> 00:25:25.359
Speaker:
throwing this out there might

734
00:25:25.359 –> 00:25:27.980
Speaker:
actually, you know, stim it up a

735
00:25:27.980 –> 00:25:29.619
Speaker:
little bit again and get people

736
00:25:29.619 –> 00:25:30.740
Speaker:
just like you said, talking,

737
00:25:30.740 –> 00:25:32.420
Speaker:
looking around and questioning

738
00:25:32.420 –> 00:25:33.500
Speaker:
things.

739
00:25:33.500 –> 00:25:37.940
Speaker:
And that is one of the main
goals of my podcast is to bring

740
00:25:37.940 –> 00:25:41.579
Speaker:
a spotlight on some of these
cold cases that people are not

741
00:25:41.579 –> 00:25:45.940
Speaker:
talking about, just to kind of
stir up the conversation again.

742
00:25:45.940 –> 00:25:48.259
Speaker:
And cases like Jean Cook’s that

743
00:25:48.259 –> 00:25:49.099
Speaker:
have been sitting there for

744
00:25:49.099 –> 00:25:51.380
Speaker:
twenty years and hopefully maybe

745
00:25:51.380 –> 00:25:53.779
Speaker:
somebody sees this and maybe

746
00:25:53.779 –> 00:25:55.500
Speaker:
recognizes a picture or

747
00:25:55.500 –> 00:25:56.980
Speaker:
something, and it might start a

748
00:25:56.980 –> 00:25:58.039
Speaker:
conversation that leads to

749
00:25:58.039 –> 00:25:58.619
Speaker:
something.

750
00:25:58.619 –> 00:26:00.660
Speaker:
That’s the goal anyway.

751
00:26:00.660 –> 00:26:02.259
Speaker:
And if you have any information

752
00:26:02.259 –> 00:26:04.019
Speaker:
on the murder of Jean cook,

753
00:26:04.019 –> 00:26:05.420
Speaker:
contact the Vanderburgh County

754
00:26:05.420 –> 00:26:06.720
Speaker:
Sheriff’s Department at eight

755
00:26:06.720 –> 00:26:09.599
Speaker:
one two four six one six two

756
00:26:09.599 –> 00:26:11.019
Speaker:
zero zero.

757
00:26:11.019 –> 00:26:12.700
Speaker:
Andy Lasher is the detective

758
00:26:12.700 –> 00:26:13.980
Speaker:
currently working on Jean’s

759
00:26:13.980 –> 00:26:15.180
Speaker:
case?

760
00:26:15.180 –> 00:26:17.900
Speaker:
You can submit an anonymous tip
on the Vanderburgh County

761
00:26:17.900 –> 00:26:20.579
Speaker:
Sheriff’s Department website,
and I’ve got a link for that

762
00:26:20.579 –> 00:26:22.180
Speaker:
down in the show notes.

763
00:26:22.180 –> 00:26:25.859
Speaker:
I want to thank Fred and Andy
for taking the time out to talk

764
00:26:25.859 –> 00:26:29.619
Speaker:
to me today, and hopefully we’re
one step closer to solving this

765
00:26:29.619 –> 00:26:32.420
Speaker:
case and bringing some closure
to the family.

766
00:26:32.420 –> 00:26:33.539
Speaker:
I want to thank everybody for

767
00:26:33.539 –> 00:26:35.380
Speaker:
listening, and until next time,

768
00:26:35.380 –> 00:26:36.259
Speaker:
take care.