Where is Zac?

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He was the type of sibling, I
guess, where I could go, you

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know, a couple a week or so
without talking to him, and then

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he would just show up at my
house and he’d be like, I just

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wanted to come check on you.

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And so all the time, I just feel
like, you know, maybe I’m just

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going to come home one day and
then he’ll, he’ll just be here

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to check on me.

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You’re listening to River City

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Law office worker by day.

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Insomniac.

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Researcher of the unknown.

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By night.

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Matt.

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Deig.

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He lost his job in January.

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And then I think he just didn’t
have purpose.

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That’s what he did.

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He got up, he went to work.

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He worked all day.

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He rode his moped back to
wherever he was going and was

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usually Chris’s garage.

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Or he would come here, he might
go to his sister’s.

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I mean, I’d wake up and he was
asleep on the floor next to me.

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Zachary stopped taking his meds

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or he wasn’t getting a regular

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one because I was starting to

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notice.

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If you know somebody that’s
schizophrenic and they’re on

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medication, you know, if they’re
not on medication or something’s

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not right with them.

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He’s a grown man.

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You know, it’s really hard to

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take Mama telling you what to do

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at that age, you know what I

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mean?

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So it was just I was watching.

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I talked to him one day and he

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said, I just don’t have any

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reason to have a schedule right

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now.

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I said, yeah, you do.

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You can come out here and you
can do work out here that me and

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grandma need that.

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And then he, him and Eric, uh,

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got a job for about a week or

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two in Mount Vernon, and they

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were riding their mount, uh,

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mopeds down there and helping

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this lady whose apartment had

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caught fire.

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And they were getting it,

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cleaning it up after the

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incident for the insurance

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company.

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They made him a couple hundred
dollars a piece, you know.

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Um, Memorial weekend, I was it
was like Thursday night.

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He was headed home from here.

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And it was after dark.

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And, uh, they pulled him over
and his plates had expired.

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It’s not like we had any big
Memorial Day plans or anything.

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I’d come get him if he wanted to
come out.

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Whatever.

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Well, he would text me.

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Hey, you need to watch this show
on this channel or, uh.

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have you seen this one?

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You know, and then I would do
the same to him.

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So it was kind of like that kind
of chit chat a lot of time, you

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know, for most of the weekend.

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It’s not a big talker anyways.

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Then he said something about he
could pay for it online.

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Yes.

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I was questioning him.

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Uh, how much it was going to

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cost, blah, blah, blah, you

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know?

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So then he said he could do it
online.

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So my mom was going to be in
town that day.

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I don’t know what she was doing.

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And she took eighty dollars back
to him.

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And that was like late Sunday
afternoon.

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He told her, he said, grandma,

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I’ll see you Tuesday or

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Wednesday.

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He’d work it off.

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You know, he he wasn’t he didn’t
like to be.

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He he didn’t want any money from
us, you know.

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And she said, well, I needed you
need you to do something

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upstairs because he’s the only
one that could get upstairs.

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I have trouble getting upstairs
and that kind of thing.

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So something she wanted him to
do and he says, think, grandma,

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that’s what we’ll do.

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I can’t believe he didn’t call
her and say, I can’t come or

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yeah, you know, I just yeah, he
told her, he told, uh, Rachel

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that he was going to check in on
Cecilia because Rachel was going

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on a retreat in Kentucky and he
didn’t do it.

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That was a clip from my
conversation with Gina, the

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mother of thirty eight year old
Zachary Carey, who’s been

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missing since May thirtieth,
twenty twenty three.

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Zachary was last seen when his
best friend Chris, dropped him

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off at the Lynnville Indiana
welcome sign, and his family has

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not heard from him since then.

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His mom went on to tell me that

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it wasn’t unusual for Zachary to

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go off into the woods and

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disappear for several days and

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to to make his way back home or

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wherever he was living at that

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time.

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He loved being out in nature,

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but it is highly unusual for him

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to disappear for this long for

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this number of months by this

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point.

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So the family is very concerned
about Zachary’s well-being and

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want to make the public aware
that Zachary may be out there.

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And for people to keep an eye
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I also had the opportunity to

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speak with Cecilia, who is

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Zach’s sister, and Cecilia

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filled me in a little more on

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Zachary’s background and some of

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the circumstances surrounding

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his disappearance.

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Um, well, my brother, he’s he’s
my older brother.

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He’s fifteen years older than
me.

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And I know when I was a baby, he

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had gone to prison and he was

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there.

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I want to say like eight years.

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I don’t know for sure, but my
mom probably would.

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And, um, when he got out, he,
you know, moved back home with

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me and my mom, you know, got his
life back together.

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Um, and he’s always been the
type of person who’s very quiet.

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He’s not, um, not a very big
people person.

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Um, he just likes to keep to
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Um, but he is, he is nice.

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You know, he’s he’s not mean.

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He looks mean, but he’s not.

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And, and um, he, he went back to
college and he became a welder.

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He went to Nashville like
something tech in Nashville.

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And he got, he became older.

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So he did get his life back on
track.

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And, um, and then he was doing
really good.

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He was staying with his friend
Chris.

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And, um, he had like a nice job

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as a welder and, you know, he

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was just doing really good for

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himself.

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And then I guess at some point,
I don’t know if, um, because he

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also has, um, schizophrenia,
like he also has like mental,

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um, issues, I guess I’m not sure
how to word that.

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Um, and I don’t know if at some

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point he quit taking his

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medicine or what happened, but

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we do know that he kind of had a

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little bit of like a mental

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break.

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Um, and he, I think it stemmed
from losing his job.

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He ended up losing his job as a
welder.

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Um, he just he is still a
welder.

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He just lost the job that he was
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Um, and then it kind of spiraled

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from there, like about a month

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after, um, he lost his job, our

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niece overdosed and she passed

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away.

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She was nineteen.

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Oh, and I know that that kind of
affected him too.

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And I think it was just the
timing was bad.

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He was already kind of in like a
hole.

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Um, and so shortly after our

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niece passed away, he came to my

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house and spoke to my older

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sister.

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She was living with me at the
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Um, and him and her are closer
in age and they’ve always been,

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you know, really close.

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And um, he told her that he, you

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know, was feeling kind of

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suicidal.

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Um, he kind of felt like he
didn’t have much to live for.

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He was, you know, a grown man.

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He was not married.

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He doesn’t have kids.

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Um, and he was just kind of in
a, not in a good place mentally.

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Right.

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Um, and I didn’t know what my
sister talked to him and, um,

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and, you know, at the end of the
conversation, he felt much

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better and he was like, okay,
I’m going to gonna go.

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Um, he did say something along
the lines of like, um, because

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he’s always, since he is so much
older than me, um, he’s always

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seen himself as kind of like a
father figure to me.

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More of like my older brother.

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He’s always kind of been that,
that role.

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And so he was like, you know,

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he’s grown up now, you know, she

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doesn’t need me to take care of

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her anymore.

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And he was just, you know,
talking like that.

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I’m just, I’m just going to go

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home.

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we’re, we’re native American.

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it’s in our tribe and our

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culture, you know, we’re taught
to be so close to the earth.

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you know, that way mentally, one
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love to go in and immerse
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he loves to just walk around in

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the woods and, you know, fishing

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and stuff.

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um, and it is normal for him if

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he’s feeling, you know, some

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happy, he just loves to be

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outside.

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um, what’s it called?

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Um, like a survivalist.

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Survivalist.

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Because he, he really likes that

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he can go outside and like be in

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the woods for like a week with

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like nothing.

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He loves living off the land.

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Mhm.

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Um, and it’s also normal for him

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to go and do that for like long

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periods.

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So when we didn’t hear from him

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for a week after knowing he was

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upset, we all kind of just

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assumed that that’s what he was

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doing.

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But it was weird to us because
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And especially being gone for so
long, he if he doesn’t tell us

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where he’s at, he tells us how
long he’s going to be away or

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he’ll tell us where he’s coming
back or he’ll check in, you

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know, so not so like a week went
by and, you know, my sister was

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like, I’m starting to get
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talked, he was upset.

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And now he hasn’t answered any
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was going, and then we, um, we

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all made the decision that we

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should call the police because,

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you know, like it was it just

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didn’t, it didn’t seem like him

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to not tell us what was going

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on.

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actually, I guess, I guess after
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my sister, he had gone home and
spoke to his friend.

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his friend wasn’t very
cooperative, so I didn’t.

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We don’t have the his friends
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what we’ve gathered, he told his
friend the same thing that he

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was feeling suicidal and that he
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woods to be by himself, but
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he wanted to end his life out.

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tell you that you shouldn’t take
them to the woods to do what

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they want to do.

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But from what I’ve gathered,
that’s what the friend did.

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He said, if this is what you

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want, I’ll take you to the

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woods.

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He supposedly my brother,

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supposedly with his friend, left

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his friend, his wallet, his his

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cell phone, um, like just his

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personal belongings he

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supposedly left in it with his

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friend.

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Uh, but I know once we called
the police and once the police

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talked to the friend and they
found out that the friend had

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dropped him off in lynnville,
they had done searching and they

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had found my brother’s cell
phone by the welcome to

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Lynnville sign like off the
highway in Lynnville.

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Um, and I don’t know if it

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because at this point it was out

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there for days, so I don’t know

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if it worked or if they found

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anything.

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We don’t know about that.

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Okay.

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And how many days after the
after he was dropped off at the

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sign was the phone found?

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Um, I have I want to say I want
to say Heber missing.

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He was gone for like, I think it

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was four or five days before we

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were like, this doesn’t feel

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right.

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And then I want to say it was

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like the day after they found

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the phone.

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So maybe like, okay, six days

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after he had been dropped off

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because apparently.

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Oh, sorry.

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No, I was just wondering if if

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there was any tracking devices

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on the phone or anything that

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anyone was able to find out if

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like, where was that phone for

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that period of time or, you

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know, dropped off there the day

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before or, you know, that kind

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of thing?

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No, they think that it was
dropped off.

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Like when he was dropped off in
Munnsville where thinking he was

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dropped off around that sign and
either he just dropped his phone

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or he just purposely placed his
phone there because it wasn’t,

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it was just sitting by the sign.

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Like it was kind of just sitting

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like someone had just put it

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there.

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Okay.

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So not like somebody flung it

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out of a window or something

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like that.

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It was like placed there.

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It was like placed there.

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So we’re thinking that when he
went, we’re thinking that he was

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dropped off at Lynnville.

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He went into the woods.

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Um, and then he probably just
got his phone right there before

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going into the woods.

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And then so it was probably out

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there for probably five or six

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days before, before anyone got

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to it.

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And I don’t, I don’t know if it

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worked or not or if the police

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were able to find like tracking

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on it.

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Um, I asked my mom if she knows

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that, but I haven’t been asked

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that.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And it’s not on like unusual for
him just to kind of go off and

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be in the woods by himself and
yeah, be a survival.

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But after a period of days and
weeks, it comes like, okay, how

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can someone support themselves
for that long?

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And, you know, for and yeah, why

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would they not reach back out to

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you guys?

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And he always like, he, he was
always very good.

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He would tell us where he’s
going and like, like how long he

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planned to be gone, you know,
like he’d be like, oh, like I’m

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going, you know, to the state
park for, for a week.

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You know, I’ll be back, you
know, this day.

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Right.

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And, and we might not hear from
him during that week, but he

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told us when he should be back.

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Um, and or he would go ahead and
go, but then call us and be

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like, oh, hey, I’m here.

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Um, not, you know, this is how
long I might stay.

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If I stay longer, I’ll give you
guys a call.

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So it was always something along
those lines.

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Um, and this time he, it was

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very worrisome because he didn’t

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tell us.

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And also the last time anyone

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had talked to him, he was

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feeling suicidal.

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he went and, and then to later

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find out his plans, it was just

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very scary.

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So if you guys talk had many
conversations with the his

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friend who dropped him off at
the sign about this.

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So his friend, um, he it’s,

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it’s, that’s like a whole nother

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can of worms because his friend,

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it was like their childhood,

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they’ve been friends since they

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were kids.

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And so Chris is actually like a
close family friend.

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So when we found out that Chris
was kind of involved and was

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kind of the person who dropped
him off, it was kind of like,

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like a stab in the in the, in
the back sort of way.

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Because you, you know, we kind
of I kind of saw him as like my

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brother too, like I’ve known him
my whole life type of deal.

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Mhm.

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And if that’s your best friend,
you know, why would you enable

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him to commit suicide or to do
something like that?

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Um, and then when the police got
involved, I know before, like in

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the very, very beginning, my mom
had tried to call Chris and

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like, ask like, hey, have you
heard from Zach?

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And he would tell her like, no,

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I haven’t seen him in a couple

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of days.

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You know, I kind of just think

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he’s probably out in the woods

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or something.

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And then when the police got

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involved, he became very

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uncooperative.

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And the police even stated that,

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like they’re having a very hard

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time getting any information out

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of him.

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And then at some point when the
search and rescue happened, they

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Speaker:
needed, um, like Zach’s clothes
for like the scent dogs.

432
00:15:26.039 –> 00:15:29.460
Speaker:
And I know that my sisters and I
have gone to Chris’s house to

433
00:15:29.460 –> 00:15:31.279
Speaker:
ask because he lived with Chris.

434
00:15:31.279 –> 00:15:33.399
Speaker:
So we had to, you know, ask him
if we could, you know, get some

435
00:15:33.399 –> 00:15:34.399
Speaker:
of his clothes.

436
00:15:34.399 –> 00:15:37.529
Speaker:
And he told us no. He was like,
I’m not letting you in.

437
00:15:37.529 –> 00:15:40.450
Speaker:
You cannot have any of his
belongings.

438
00:15:40.450 –> 00:15:41.809
Speaker:
Um, and the cops had actually

439
00:15:41.809 –> 00:15:43.809
Speaker:
gotten called because he was

440
00:15:43.809 –> 00:15:47.070
Speaker:
just outside of us, you know,

441
00:15:47.070 –> 00:15:49.330
Speaker:
feeling how we feel betrayed and

442
00:15:49.330 –> 00:15:49.809
Speaker:
angry.

443
00:15:49.809 –> 00:15:52.710
Speaker:
And, you know, if this is your
friend, why aren’t you helping

444
00:15:52.710 –> 00:15:54.289
Speaker:
find him in any way you can?

445
00:15:54.289 –> 00:15:54.929
Speaker:
Right.

446
00:15:54.929 –> 00:15:59.570
Speaker:
Um, he did also call the police
because technically, since Zach

447
00:15:59.570 –> 00:16:02.370
Speaker:
lived with him and his things
were left in Chris’s care.

448
00:16:02.370 –> 00:16:06.169
Speaker:
Chris did not have to give us
anything for the scent dogs.

449
00:16:06.169 –> 00:16:07.409
Speaker:
Um, and he actually didn’t.

450
00:16:07.409 –> 00:16:09.029
Speaker:
He did not give the police any

451
00:16:09.029 –> 00:16:10.210
Speaker:
of Zach’s clothes for the search

452
00:16:10.210 –> 00:16:11.330
Speaker:
and rescue.

453
00:16:11.330 –> 00:16:12.330
Speaker:
So the only thing that they

454
00:16:12.330 –> 00:16:15.230
Speaker:
could use was Zachary’s wallet

455
00:16:15.230 –> 00:16:16.690
Speaker:
that they had confiscated from

456
00:16:16.690 –> 00:16:17.730
Speaker:
Chris.

457
00:16:17.730 –> 00:16:20.889
Speaker:
And at that point, once the
police got it, it had been in

458
00:16:20.889 –> 00:16:25.090
Speaker:
Chris’s care for like a week and
who knows who touched it.

459
00:16:25.090 –> 00:16:26.850
Speaker:
So the police were even like, we

460
00:16:26.850 –> 00:16:27.850
Speaker:
don’t think this is going to

461
00:16:27.850 –> 00:16:29.090
Speaker:
have a strong enough sense for

462
00:16:29.090 –> 00:16:30.570
Speaker:
the dogs.

463
00:16:30.570 –> 00:16:31.830
Speaker:
So yeah, so as far as Chris

464
00:16:31.830 –> 00:16:33.309
Speaker:
goes, he’s he’s pretty

465
00:16:33.309 –> 00:16:34.610
Speaker:
uncooperative.

466
00:16:34.610 –> 00:16:38.740
Speaker:
I do know that they, um, had got
warrants for him and his wife’s

467
00:16:38.740 –> 00:16:43.980
Speaker:
phone because they, um, we don’t
know what the texts say because

468
00:16:43.980 –> 00:16:46.100
Speaker:
the police, you know, can’t tell
us some of those things.

469
00:16:46.100 –> 00:16:46.580
Speaker:
Sure.

470
00:16:46.580 –> 00:16:46.860
Speaker:
Yeah.

471
00:16:46.860 –> 00:16:51.139
Speaker:
But the police did tell my mom
that they did find some pretty

472
00:16:51.139 –> 00:16:54.539
Speaker:
suspicious text messages on
Chris Chris’s phone.

473
00:16:54.539 –> 00:16:55.620
Speaker:
Um, they did not tell her what

474
00:16:55.620 –> 00:16:57.340
Speaker:
they said or who they were to or

475
00:16:57.340 –> 00:16:58.940
Speaker:
who they were from, but they did

476
00:16:58.940 –> 00:17:00.019
Speaker:
say that, and they said it was

477
00:17:00.019 –> 00:17:01.639
Speaker:
enough that they got another

478
00:17:01.639 –> 00:17:02.980
Speaker:
warrant to search his wife’s

479
00:17:02.980 –> 00:17:03.980
Speaker:
phone.

480
00:17:03.980 –> 00:17:05.700
Speaker:
Okay.

481
00:17:05.700 –> 00:17:07.859
Speaker:
Your brother was Zach renting

482
00:17:07.859 –> 00:17:08.980
Speaker:
from because you said they were

483
00:17:08.980 –> 00:17:09.500
Speaker:
living together.

484
00:17:09.500 –> 00:17:11.059
Speaker:
Was he, like, living there?

485
00:17:11.059 –> 00:17:14.539
Speaker:
Uh, there was some sort of
agreement to rent or something.

486
00:17:14.539 –> 00:17:15.940
Speaker:
I think so.

487
00:17:15.940 –> 00:17:19.700
Speaker:
Um, I think Zachary was paying
rent because it was like Chris

488
00:17:19.700 –> 00:17:22.420
Speaker:
and his family lived in the
house, and then they had, like,

489
00:17:22.420 –> 00:17:26.539
Speaker:
a garage in the back that Zach
had turned into, like, his home.

490
00:17:26.539 –> 00:17:29.779
Speaker:
So kind of like a little studio
situation going on back there.

491
00:17:29.779 –> 00:17:32.980
Speaker:
And so I think I think he was
paying rent to Chris.

492
00:17:32.980 –> 00:17:35.670
Speaker:
Did Zach have any pets?

493
00:17:35.670 –> 00:17:36.470
Speaker:
Yes he did.

494
00:17:36.470 –> 00:17:39.029
Speaker:
He had a dog and his dog’s name
was cutter.

495
00:17:39.029 –> 00:17:40.549
Speaker:
And he was.

496
00:17:40.549 –> 00:17:43.670
Speaker:
He was a pit bull mix, I think.

497
00:17:43.670 –> 00:17:44.829
Speaker:
Just like your average.

498
00:17:44.829 –> 00:17:45.150
Speaker:
Average.

499
00:17:45.150 –> 00:17:47.190
Speaker:
Like mixed breed dog.

500
00:17:47.190 –> 00:17:49.029
Speaker:
Um, I know after he went

501
00:17:49.029 –> 00:17:50.150
Speaker:
missing, that was our big

502
00:17:50.150 –> 00:17:50.630
Speaker:
concern.

503
00:17:50.630 –> 00:17:53.710
Speaker:
We were like, who’s taking care
of Zach’s dog?

504
00:17:53.710 –> 00:17:56.430
Speaker:
Um, and Chris, my mom had

505
00:17:56.430 –> 00:17:57.630
Speaker:
reached out to Chris and was

506
00:17:57.630 –> 00:17:59.390
Speaker:
like, hey, you know, we can take

507
00:17:59.390 –> 00:17:59.789
Speaker:
him.

508
00:17:59.789 –> 00:18:02.750
Speaker:
We, you know, cc Rachel me like

509
00:18:02.750 –> 00:18:04.069
Speaker:
someone can take care of the dog

510
00:18:04.069 –> 00:18:05.430
Speaker:
until we find him until he comes

511
00:18:05.430 –> 00:18:06.670
Speaker:
home.

512
00:18:06.670 –> 00:18:08.950
Speaker:
Um, and Chris would not give us
the dog.

513
00:18:08.950 –> 00:18:10.470
Speaker:
And, um, he actually gave the

514
00:18:10.470 –> 00:18:13.150
Speaker:
dog to the humane society and we

515
00:18:13.150 –> 00:18:15.789
Speaker:
tried to get him out, but when,

516
00:18:15.789 –> 00:18:17.109
Speaker:
when the dog went into the main

517
00:18:17.109 –> 00:18:18.750
Speaker:
society, you know, he was

518
00:18:18.750 –> 00:18:20.069
Speaker:
scared, he didn’t know what was

519
00:18:20.069 –> 00:18:21.230
Speaker:
going on.

520
00:18:21.230 –> 00:18:22.670
Speaker:
And um, and he, I guess he ended

521
00:18:22.670 –> 00:18:23.930
Speaker:
up biting one of the like

522
00:18:23.930 –> 00:18:25.269
Speaker:
handlers there.

523
00:18:25.269 –> 00:18:29.990
Speaker:
And so they put him on the, the,
the, the list to be put down.

524
00:18:29.990 –> 00:18:32.589
Speaker:
Um, and I’m, I know we tried to

525
00:18:32.589 –> 00:18:35.089
Speaker:
adopt him, but then when we

526
00:18:35.089 –> 00:18:36.210
Speaker:
tried, they told us that there

527
00:18:36.210 –> 00:18:37.089
Speaker:
was a very good chance they

528
00:18:37.089 –> 00:18:38.210
Speaker:
weren’t even going to let him be

529
00:18:38.210 –> 00:18:39.529
Speaker:
adopted because he had bitten

530
00:18:39.529 –> 00:18:40.369
Speaker:
someone.

531
00:18:40.369 –> 00:18:41.690
Speaker:
And what I’m kind of thinking is

532
00:18:41.690 –> 00:18:43.670
Speaker:
that if, if he was wanting to go

533
00:18:43.670 –> 00:18:45.490
Speaker:
kind of just go live his own

534
00:18:45.490 –> 00:18:47.130
Speaker:
survivalist lifestyle in the

535
00:18:47.130 –> 00:18:48.250
Speaker:
woods, if he had planned that

536
00:18:48.250 –> 00:18:50.690
Speaker:
out, would would he have taken

537
00:18:50.690 –> 00:18:52.930
Speaker:
cutter with him, or would he or

538
00:18:52.930 –> 00:18:54.450
Speaker:
would he have left the dog

539
00:18:54.450 –> 00:18:55.809
Speaker:
behind for someone else to take

540
00:18:55.809 –> 00:18:56.809
Speaker:
care of so he could go live

541
00:18:56.809 –> 00:18:57.049
Speaker:
alone?

542
00:18:57.049 –> 00:18:58.390
Speaker:
Like what would be, would that

543
00:18:58.390 –> 00:19:00.009
Speaker:
would that be something he would

544
00:19:00.009 –> 00:19:00.809
Speaker:
do?

545
00:19:00.809 –> 00:19:02.609
Speaker:
Yeah, I know, I know, especially

546
00:19:02.609 –> 00:19:04.910
Speaker:
in the summertime, they would

547
00:19:04.910 –> 00:19:06.089
Speaker:
usually the dog would go with

548
00:19:06.089 –> 00:19:06.730
Speaker:
him.

549
00:19:06.730 –> 00:19:10.769
Speaker:
Um, I know this happened around
the summertime and I think it

550
00:19:10.769 –> 00:19:13.349
Speaker:
also depends on how long he
planned to be gone, you know,

551
00:19:13.349 –> 00:19:15.769
Speaker:
because I think if he planned to
be gone for a while, he probably

552
00:19:15.769 –> 00:19:17.210
Speaker:
wouldn’t have taken the dog.

553
00:19:17.210 –> 00:19:18.410
Speaker:
But I know that there were times

554
00:19:18.410 –> 00:19:19.730
Speaker:
where he would take cutter with

555
00:19:19.730 –> 00:19:20.650
Speaker:
him.

556
00:19:20.650 –> 00:19:21.690
Speaker:
MM. And have there.

557
00:19:21.690 –> 00:19:22.410
Speaker:
That’s a good point.

558
00:19:22.410 –> 00:19:24.130
Speaker:
Do you have not thought about
that?

559
00:19:24.130 –> 00:19:24.450
Speaker:
Yeah.

560
00:19:24.450 –> 00:19:26.769
Speaker:
I mean if if they were really

561
00:19:26.769 –> 00:19:28.009
Speaker:
close you know and you know

562
00:19:28.009 –> 00:19:29.410
Speaker:
you’re going to take a long trip

563
00:19:29.410 –> 00:19:30.450
Speaker:
somewhere, you might bring your

564
00:19:30.450 –> 00:19:30.700
Speaker:
dog.

565
00:19:30.700 –> 00:19:33.140
Speaker:
But then, like you said, if if
it’s too long, then you have to

566
00:19:33.140 –> 00:19:33.779
Speaker:
take care of two.

567
00:19:33.779 –> 00:19:34.140
Speaker:
I don’t know.

568
00:19:34.140 –> 00:19:36.339
Speaker:
I was just thinking, plan
something out and you were close

569
00:19:36.339 –> 00:19:37.380
Speaker:
to your pet.

570
00:19:37.380 –> 00:19:40.579
Speaker:
It seems like you’d have some
kind of game plan for that.

571
00:19:40.579 –> 00:19:41.779
Speaker:
Yeah.

572
00:19:41.779 –> 00:19:42.099
Speaker:
Yeah.

573
00:19:42.099 –> 00:19:42.740
Speaker:
And he really.

574
00:19:42.740 –> 00:19:46.619
Speaker:
He really did love his dog, also
his companion.

575
00:19:46.619 –> 00:19:49.660
Speaker:
And so that was another thing
for us was we were like, he

576
00:19:49.660 –> 00:19:51.339
Speaker:
wouldn’t just leave it behind.

577
00:19:51.339 –> 00:19:51.819
Speaker:
Right.

578
00:19:51.819 –> 00:19:54.640
Speaker:
And he especially wouldn’t want
to wouldn’t have wanted Chris to

579
00:19:54.640 –> 00:19:57.059
Speaker:
give him to the Humane Society.

580
00:19:57.059 –> 00:19:57.900
Speaker:
Right.

581
00:19:57.900 –> 00:20:02.640
Speaker:
And have there been like
sightings of Zac anywhere since

582
00:20:02.640 –> 00:20:04.660
Speaker:
since anyone’s heard from him?

583
00:20:04.660 –> 00:20:09.819
Speaker:
Yes and no. We’ve had a lot of
people, like random people will

584
00:20:09.819 –> 00:20:12.819
Speaker:
just text us and say like, hey,
I think I saw your brother.

585
00:20:12.819 –> 00:20:13.900
Speaker:
I think he’s here.

586
00:20:13.900 –> 00:20:15.380
Speaker:
And we always look into it and

587
00:20:15.380 –> 00:20:18.440
Speaker:
it’s either him or it’s just

588
00:20:18.440 –> 00:20:21.579
Speaker:
there’s, it just is not a good

589
00:20:21.579 –> 00:20:23.059
Speaker:
lead, I guess, because a lot of

590
00:20:23.059 –> 00:20:24.619
Speaker:
random people do text us and

591
00:20:24.619 –> 00:20:26.019
Speaker:
say, you know, oh, I think I saw

592
00:20:26.019 –> 00:20:27.299
Speaker:
him at Walmart or I think I saw

593
00:20:27.299 –> 00:20:27.779
Speaker:
him here.

594
00:20:27.779 –> 00:20:30.150
Speaker:
And but it’s never, it’s never
true.

595
00:20:30.150 –> 00:20:31.950
Speaker:
And, or it’s, you know, someone

596
00:20:31.950 –> 00:20:34.109
Speaker:
who could just look like him or

597
00:20:34.109 –> 00:20:35.430
Speaker:
it’s just random people texting

598
00:20:35.430 –> 00:20:36.190
Speaker:
us.

599
00:20:36.190 –> 00:20:38.829
Speaker:
Um, there was one, I guess, kind

600
00:20:38.829 –> 00:20:40.690
Speaker:
of recently, one of Zachary’s

601
00:20:40.690 –> 00:20:42.269
Speaker:
old co-workers from his welding

602
00:20:42.269 –> 00:20:44.769
Speaker:
job was driving by the Marina,

603
00:20:44.769 –> 00:20:47.470
Speaker:
and they said that he thought he

604
00:20:47.470 –> 00:20:49.670
Speaker:
saw Zachary walking, like from

605
00:20:49.670 –> 00:20:50.549
Speaker:
the Marina.

606
00:20:50.549 –> 00:20:53.589
Speaker:
And so he called my older
sister, and my older sister

607
00:20:53.589 –> 00:20:56.150
Speaker:
said, well, if you because, you
know, since it was his coworker,

608
00:20:56.150 –> 00:20:58.789
Speaker:
we were like, well, he would he
obviously knows Zach.

609
00:20:58.789 –> 00:21:00.549
Speaker:
So he would recognize Zach on
the street.

610
00:21:00.549 –> 00:21:03.869
Speaker:
So my sister said, you need to
call the Warrick County Police.

611
00:21:03.869 –> 00:21:06.390
Speaker:
And if you think you saw him,
you need to tell them that.

612
00:21:06.390 –> 00:21:10.829
Speaker:
And I I’m assuming he did call
them because I know that they

613
00:21:10.829 –> 00:21:14.109
Speaker:
had talked to my mom about going
to the Marina and reviewing

614
00:21:14.109 –> 00:21:17.390
Speaker:
cameras, but we never really
heard back from them.

615
00:21:17.390 –> 00:21:20.289
Speaker:
They said that they were
treating it as a real sighting,

616
00:21:20.289 –> 00:21:23.589
Speaker:
but in the camera footage, I
guess you couldn’t see his face.

617
00:21:23.589 –> 00:21:26.069
Speaker:
That’s about the only sighting.

618
00:21:26.069 –> 00:21:29.410
Speaker:
Maybe it’s kind of a maybe
because it’s like the coworker

619
00:21:29.410 –> 00:21:30.609
Speaker:
says, it’s him.

620
00:21:30.609 –> 00:21:32.890
Speaker:
The police said that they’re
treating it as a real sighting,

621
00:21:32.890 –> 00:21:36.529
Speaker:
but also they couldn’t verify
that it was him.

622
00:21:36.529 –> 00:21:39.569
Speaker:
Um, a couple weeks ago,
actually, someone again had had

623
00:21:39.569 –> 00:21:42.569
Speaker:
called my mom or my sister and
said, hey, I think I see Zach.

624
00:21:42.569 –> 00:21:45.009
Speaker:
I think he is in Kentucky.

625
00:21:45.009 –> 00:21:46.930
Speaker:
And so we all drove to because

626
00:21:46.930 –> 00:21:47.970
Speaker:
they gave us like an exact

627
00:21:47.970 –> 00:21:48.450
Speaker:
place.

628
00:21:48.450 –> 00:21:50.650
Speaker:
They were like, he’s living at.

629
00:21:50.650 –> 00:21:53.470
Speaker:
Like, there was like a kind of
like one of those tent cities

630
00:21:53.470 –> 00:21:55.130
Speaker:
for the homeless, right?

631
00:21:55.130 –> 00:21:58.730
Speaker:
Um, they were like, he’s staying
in a tent behind this hotel and

632
00:21:58.730 –> 00:22:01.609
Speaker:
it’s by the smoke shop and he
frequents the smoke shop.

633
00:22:01.609 –> 00:22:03.569
Speaker:
So we all drove down there.

634
00:22:03.569 –> 00:22:05.930
Speaker:
We went to this place where

635
00:22:05.930 –> 00:22:07.450
Speaker:
people were camping in their

636
00:22:07.450 –> 00:22:08.170
Speaker:
tents.

637
00:22:08.170 –> 00:22:09.089
Speaker:
We didn’t see him.

638
00:22:09.089 –> 00:22:10.490
Speaker:
We asked around.

639
00:22:10.490 –> 00:22:13.089
Speaker:
Most people said that they did
not see him.

640
00:22:13.089 –> 00:22:14.890
Speaker:
We were showing his pictures.

641
00:22:14.890 –> 00:22:16.690
Speaker:
There was one man, the the guy

642
00:22:16.690 –> 00:22:17.890
Speaker:
who was a cashier at the smoke

643
00:22:17.890 –> 00:22:18.170
Speaker:
shop.

644
00:22:18.170 –> 00:22:21.029
Speaker:
He said that that that the man
in the picture looks familiar,

645
00:22:21.029 –> 00:22:23.809
Speaker:
that he feels like he has seen
that man before, but he didn’t

646
00:22:23.809 –> 00:22:25.170
Speaker:
give us a specific.

647
00:22:25.170 –> 00:22:26.130
Speaker:
Yes, I see this man.

648
00:22:26.130 –> 00:22:27.339
Speaker:
He comes in every day.

649
00:22:27.339 –> 00:22:27.619
Speaker:
Right.

650
00:22:27.619 –> 00:22:31.859
Speaker:
Or, you know, um, so that was a
that was as far as we got there.

651
00:22:31.859 –> 00:22:35.019
Speaker:
And again, it was kind of just
one of those empty leads.

652
00:22:35.019 –> 00:22:36.180
Speaker:
Like we don’t know if it’s true,

653
00:22:36.180 –> 00:22:37.180
Speaker:
but again, that was very

654
00:22:37.180 –> 00:22:37.900
Speaker:
specific.

655
00:22:37.900 –> 00:22:41.380
Speaker:
And at this point, so many
people text us and say, oh, we

656
00:22:41.380 –> 00:22:42.339
Speaker:
think we saw him.

657
00:22:42.339 –> 00:22:44.220
Speaker:
You know, it’s like, we can’t
call the police every single

658
00:22:44.220 –> 00:22:46.859
Speaker:
time because then the police are
just going to think we’re crazy

659
00:22:46.859 –> 00:22:49.400
Speaker:
because we’re calling them so
much with all these people who

660
00:22:49.400 –> 00:22:50.259
Speaker:
say they see him.

661
00:22:50.259 –> 00:22:51.339
Speaker:
And so that’s kind of why we

662
00:22:51.339 –> 00:22:52.579
Speaker:
chose to go and check it out

663
00:22:52.579 –> 00:22:54.299
Speaker:
ourselves before, because that’s

664
00:22:54.299 –> 00:22:55.740
Speaker:
also in Kentucky, we’d have to

665
00:22:55.740 –> 00:22:56.779
Speaker:
get the Kentucky police

666
00:22:56.779 –> 00:22:57.099
Speaker:
involved.

667
00:22:57.099 –> 00:23:00.500
Speaker:
You don’t know what rabbit holes
to jump down because it’s like,

668
00:23:00.500 –> 00:23:01.859
Speaker:
is this a missing person?

669
00:23:01.859 –> 00:23:03.539
Speaker:
Is he wanting to not be found?

670
00:23:03.539 –> 00:23:07.099
Speaker:
And he’s like actively trying to
avoid being caught, which makes

671
00:23:07.099 –> 00:23:08.819
Speaker:
it even more difficult.

672
00:23:08.819 –> 00:23:12.180
Speaker:
Or did he choose to end things
himself?

673
00:23:12.180 –> 00:23:14.740
Speaker:
Or is there something like, did
he have any enemies?

674
00:23:14.740 –> 00:23:16.000
Speaker:
Um, like, would somebody have,

675
00:23:16.000 –> 00:23:16.980
Speaker:
you know, that he got into it

676
00:23:16.980 –> 00:23:17.380
Speaker:
with somebody?

677
00:23:17.380 –> 00:23:19.619
Speaker:
But I mean, everything is on the
table.

678
00:23:19.619 –> 00:23:21.019
Speaker:
I guess it is.

679
00:23:21.019 –> 00:23:25.190
Speaker:
And I know, um, when, when he
first went missing, They the

680
00:23:25.190 –> 00:23:27.910
Speaker:
police kind of told us like, you
know, like he’s a grown man.

681
00:23:27.910 –> 00:23:29.349
Speaker:
He has a past.

682
00:23:29.349 –> 00:23:32.069
Speaker:
Um, he he was an addict in his
past.

683
00:23:32.069 –> 00:23:32.630
Speaker:
Mhm.

684
00:23:32.630 –> 00:23:34.029
Speaker:
Um, and so they were like, you

685
00:23:34.029 –> 00:23:35.230
Speaker:
know, there’s a very good chance

686
00:23:35.230 –> 00:23:36.829
Speaker:
maybe he’s just using again and

687
00:23:36.829 –> 00:23:38.750
Speaker:
maybe he’s just strung out

688
00:23:38.750 –> 00:23:39.670
Speaker:
somewhere.

689
00:23:39.670 –> 00:23:40.150
Speaker:
Right.

690
00:23:40.150 –> 00:23:41.990
Speaker:
Um, and, and a lot of the people

691
00:23:41.990 –> 00:23:43.930
Speaker:
who say that they see him, it

692
00:23:43.930 –> 00:23:45.630
Speaker:
kind of follows that in the

693
00:23:45.630 –> 00:23:47.069
Speaker:
sense that he might just be

694
00:23:47.069 –> 00:23:48.710
Speaker:
strung out in, in a homeless

695
00:23:48.710 –> 00:23:49.190
Speaker:
camp.

696
00:23:49.190 –> 00:23:51.630
Speaker:
Uh, I really hope that’s, that’s
not it.

697
00:23:51.630 –> 00:23:53.170
Speaker:
But also that sounds better than

698
00:23:53.170 –> 00:23:54.509
Speaker:
my brother killing himself in

699
00:23:54.509 –> 00:23:55.670
Speaker:
the woods.

700
00:23:55.670 –> 00:23:58.130
Speaker:
And then the only reason that we

701
00:23:58.130 –> 00:23:59.309
Speaker:
were worried that he may have

702
00:23:59.309 –> 00:24:01.029
Speaker:
committed suicide is because of

703
00:24:01.029 –> 00:24:02.869
Speaker:
the way that he was talking, and

704
00:24:02.869 –> 00:24:04.069
Speaker:
because of the fact that he did

705
00:24:04.069 –> 00:24:05.329
Speaker:
not tell us he was going

706
00:24:05.329 –> 00:24:06.150
Speaker:
anywhere.

707
00:24:06.150 –> 00:24:10.029
Speaker:
And then his friend ended up
being a very sketchy character

708
00:24:10.029 –> 00:24:11.349
Speaker:
in his disappearance.

709
00:24:11.349 –> 00:24:12.349
Speaker:
Yeah.

710
00:24:12.349 –> 00:24:14.990
Speaker:
Um, I personally think that

711
00:24:14.990 –> 00:24:16.430
Speaker:
Chris knows a lot more than what

712
00:24:16.430 –> 00:24:18.410
Speaker:
he’s telling us, and so I don’t

713
00:24:18.410 –> 00:24:18.789
Speaker:
know.

714
00:24:18.789 –> 00:24:22.630
Speaker:
Um, I really, I, I pray and I
pray every night that he is

715
00:24:22.630 –> 00:24:26.009
Speaker:
alive And again, I don’t I don’t
wish that he’s strung out in a

716
00:24:26.009 –> 00:24:29.289
Speaker:
homeless camp, but that’s better
than the alternative.

717
00:24:29.289 –> 00:24:32.009
Speaker:
If he were to have taken off
somewhere and to be, would you.

718
00:24:32.009 –> 00:24:34.529
Speaker:
Do you guys have an idea where
he may go to?

719
00:24:34.529 –> 00:24:37.609
Speaker:
Like, where would be his place
that he would escape to and kind

720
00:24:37.609 –> 00:24:39.049
Speaker:
of blend in with society?

721
00:24:39.049 –> 00:24:40.269
Speaker:
Would you just kind of is he

722
00:24:40.269 –> 00:24:43.269
Speaker:
comfortable with that society of

723
00:24:43.269 –> 00:24:46.650
Speaker:
like the homeless camps and

724
00:24:46.650 –> 00:24:47.769
Speaker:
homeless shelters, like where

725
00:24:47.769 –> 00:24:48.769
Speaker:
you could literally live off the

726
00:24:48.769 –> 00:24:48.970
Speaker:
grid?

727
00:24:48.970 –> 00:24:50.529
Speaker:
Because, I mean, he has no
phone.

728
00:24:50.529 –> 00:24:52.970
Speaker:
He doesn’t have money wallet.

729
00:24:52.970 –> 00:24:57.829
Speaker:
Um, so he’s literally you said
he’s a survivalist or could live

730
00:24:57.829 –> 00:24:59.089
Speaker:
out in the woods by himself.

731
00:24:59.089 –> 00:25:01.250
Speaker:
So would he just are there, is

732
00:25:01.250 –> 00:25:03.130
Speaker:
there like a woods or something

733
00:25:03.130 –> 00:25:04.890
Speaker:
that he would gravitate to that

734
00:25:04.890 –> 00:25:06.089
Speaker:
he would feel most comfortable

735
00:25:06.089 –> 00:25:06.890
Speaker:
in?

736
00:25:06.890 –> 00:25:07.450
Speaker:
Yes.

737
00:25:07.450 –> 00:25:09.250
Speaker:
And it was the woods.

738
00:25:09.250 –> 00:25:10.490
Speaker:
Um, I know dropped off.

739
00:25:10.490 –> 00:25:11.049
Speaker:
Okay.

740
00:25:11.049 –> 00:25:11.730
Speaker:
I was dropped off.

741
00:25:11.730 –> 00:25:12.009
Speaker:
Yeah.

742
00:25:12.009 –> 00:25:17.410
Speaker:
When my brother was a kid, he, I
think he lived with, I think

743
00:25:17.410 –> 00:25:18.289
Speaker:
they were cousins.

744
00:25:18.289 –> 00:25:20.609
Speaker:
I don’t know if this was before
I was born.

745
00:25:20.609 –> 00:25:21.170
Speaker:
Mhm.

746
00:25:21.170 –> 00:25:22.700
Speaker:
But, um, but when he was a kid,

747
00:25:22.700 –> 00:25:24.059
Speaker:
he lived in Lynnville with our

748
00:25:24.059 –> 00:25:25.819
Speaker:
cousins and he kind of grew up

749
00:25:25.819 –> 00:25:26.059
Speaker:
there.

750
00:25:26.059 –> 00:25:29.579
Speaker:
So he grew up very familiar with
those woods with that area.

751
00:25:29.579 –> 00:25:30.900
Speaker:
And that is one of the main

752
00:25:30.900 –> 00:25:33.119
Speaker:
places where if he wanted to go,

753
00:25:33.119 –> 00:25:34.660
Speaker:
you know, go camp, go on a hike,

754
00:25:34.660 –> 00:25:35.420
Speaker:
whatever.

755
00:25:35.420 –> 00:25:38.660
Speaker:
It was usually like around the
Lynnville State Park area or

756
00:25:38.660 –> 00:25:41.259
Speaker:
just the woods around the
Elberfeld Lynnville area.

757
00:25:41.259 –> 00:25:41.740
Speaker:
Right.

758
00:25:41.740 –> 00:25:43.660
Speaker:
There’s there’s quite a few in
that area.

759
00:25:43.660 –> 00:25:45.039
Speaker:
I mean, somebody yeah, there’s,

760
00:25:45.039 –> 00:25:47.019
Speaker:
you know, if somebody were going

761
00:25:47.019 –> 00:25:48.299
Speaker:
to go try to disappear, I guess

762
00:25:48.299 –> 00:25:50.000
Speaker:
it’s possible you could just,

763
00:25:50.000 –> 00:25:50.819
Speaker:
you know.

764
00:25:50.819 –> 00:25:51.779
Speaker:
Yeah, you could do that.

765
00:25:51.779 –> 00:25:54.420
Speaker:
I know when when the search
team, when we.

766
00:25:54.420 –> 00:25:58.039
Speaker:
Because when the Warren County
police, they, they did a search

767
00:25:58.039 –> 00:26:01.099
Speaker:
and they there were divers in
the lake at the state park.

768
00:26:01.099 –> 00:26:01.500
Speaker:
Mhm.

769
00:26:01.500 –> 00:26:04.680
Speaker:
And then there was like
firefighters and the police and

770
00:26:04.680 –> 00:26:06.980
Speaker:
like a special rescue team.

771
00:26:06.980 –> 00:26:08.140
Speaker:
And it took them.

772
00:26:08.140 –> 00:26:09.180
Speaker:
I want to say more.

773
00:26:09.180 –> 00:26:10.700
Speaker:
It was like a couple days for

774
00:26:10.700 –> 00:26:11.940
Speaker:
them to like completely comb

775
00:26:11.940 –> 00:26:12.980
Speaker:
through all those woods because

776
00:26:12.980 –> 00:26:14.380
Speaker:
there’s, it’s such a dense,

777
00:26:14.380 –> 00:26:16.059
Speaker:
thick woods and there’s so much

778
00:26:16.059 –> 00:26:16.859
Speaker:
of it.

779
00:26:16.859 –> 00:26:17.779
Speaker:
I know they were looking for

780
00:26:17.779 –> 00:26:19.059
Speaker:
another missing person, Andy

781
00:26:19.059 –> 00:26:19.539
Speaker:
Wagner.

782
00:26:19.539 –> 00:26:22.269
Speaker:
I did an episode on her, but
they were looking up in some

783
00:26:22.269 –> 00:26:23.390
Speaker:
stripper pits in that area.

784
00:26:23.390 –> 00:26:24.829
Speaker:
I think Peabody Coal had given

785
00:26:24.829 –> 00:26:26.369
Speaker:
them permission to do some, um,

786
00:26:26.369 –> 00:26:27.029
Speaker:
searching.

787
00:26:27.029 –> 00:26:29.950
Speaker:
So, you know, I guess they would
have also found something.

788
00:26:29.950 –> 00:26:32.349
Speaker:
I think they were looking, you
know, it’s hard to find a person

789
00:26:32.349 –> 00:26:34.789
Speaker:
in, in that kind of thing, but
there were people out there

790
00:26:34.789 –> 00:26:39.549
Speaker:
looking for her so inadvertently
they’d be looking for him too.

791
00:26:39.549 –> 00:26:40.069
Speaker:
Yeah.

792
00:26:40.069 –> 00:26:44.029
Speaker:
Um, we, I remember when we were,
we had gone up there for the

793
00:26:44.029 –> 00:26:46.910
Speaker:
search party and then because we
thought, you know, the search

794
00:26:46.910 –> 00:26:49.230
Speaker:
party, we thought we were also
going to be out in the woods

795
00:26:49.230 –> 00:26:50.470
Speaker:
helping look for him.

796
00:26:50.470 –> 00:26:51.869
Speaker:
But the police were like, no,

797
00:26:51.869 –> 00:26:54.109
Speaker:
because it’s, you know, he’s

798
00:26:54.109 –> 00:26:56.190
Speaker:
been gone for so long that at

799
00:26:56.190 –> 00:26:57.309
Speaker:
that point, they told us that

800
00:26:57.309 –> 00:26:58.390
Speaker:
they were more than likely

801
00:26:58.390 –> 00:27:00.150
Speaker:
searching for a body and not a

802
00:27:00.150 –> 00:27:00.789
Speaker:
person.

803
00:27:00.789 –> 00:27:03.190
Speaker:
And they said that that is not
something they would want us to

804
00:27:03.190 –> 00:27:04.990
Speaker:
be in the woods looking for.

805
00:27:04.990 –> 00:27:08.109
Speaker:
Um, and also just because it is
such a thick forest, we could

806
00:27:08.109 –> 00:27:11.210
Speaker:
easily get lost and turned
around because we are not, we

807
00:27:11.210 –> 00:27:13.470
Speaker:
are not familiar with that the
way my brother is.

808
00:27:13.470 –> 00:27:14.789
Speaker:
Um, so they were really nice.

809
00:27:14.789 –> 00:27:17.069
Speaker:
They gave us a shelter to stay
in.

810
00:27:17.069 –> 00:27:19.960
Speaker:
Um, and they brought us water
and people from the community

811
00:27:19.960 –> 00:27:21.359
Speaker:
brought us food like they.

812
00:27:21.359 –> 00:27:23.119
Speaker:
The whole community was really
nice to us.

813
00:27:23.119 –> 00:27:23.880
Speaker:
Oh that’s nice.

814
00:27:23.880 –> 00:27:25.920
Speaker:
And we were walking around the
state park.

815
00:27:25.920 –> 00:27:28.759
Speaker:
We were like passing out flyers
and hanging them up.

816
00:27:28.759 –> 00:27:30.759
Speaker:
And we actually met someone who

817
00:27:30.759 –> 00:27:32.400
Speaker:
was friends with Andy, with

818
00:27:32.400 –> 00:27:33.240
Speaker:
Andy’s mom.

819
00:27:33.240 –> 00:27:33.640
Speaker:
Oh, yeah.

820
00:27:33.640 –> 00:27:35.279
Speaker:
And she like, she, like, prayed
with us.

821
00:27:35.279 –> 00:27:37.279
Speaker:
She was like, I know what it
feels like.

822
00:27:37.279 –> 00:27:39.920
Speaker:
And, you know, I really hope
that you guys can find him.

823
00:27:39.920 –> 00:27:41.960
Speaker:
So yeah, that is crazy that you
said that, but yeah.

824
00:27:41.960 –> 00:27:43.240
Speaker:
But yeah, we did meet her.

825
00:27:43.240 –> 00:27:45.119
Speaker:
I think it was like her aunt or
someone.

826
00:27:45.119 –> 00:27:45.319
Speaker:
Yeah.

827
00:27:45.319 –> 00:27:46.880
Speaker:
Her aunt has been and her mother

828
00:27:46.880 –> 00:27:49.720
Speaker:
actually passed away a couple

829
00:27:49.720 –> 00:27:50.240
Speaker:
months ago.

830
00:27:50.240 –> 00:27:52.000
Speaker:
She, I think is what happened.

831
00:27:52.000 –> 00:27:56.000
Speaker:
So I think just the stress of
not being able to find Andy just

832
00:27:56.000 –> 00:27:57.319
Speaker:
I think it was too much for her.

833
00:27:57.319 –> 00:28:00.559
Speaker:
So I mean, it’s just it’s rough
on the whole family.

834
00:28:00.559 –> 00:28:04.200
Speaker:
And you know, what you guys are
going through is just it’s a lot

835
00:28:04.200 –> 00:28:05.880
Speaker:
of just the not knowing.

836
00:28:05.880 –> 00:28:07.680
Speaker:
It’s one thing to know that
something happened, but it’s

837
00:28:07.680 –> 00:28:09.720
Speaker:
another thing to like, okay, is
he in an encampment?

838
00:28:09.720 –> 00:28:11.880
Speaker:
Is he hurt somewhere?

839
00:28:11.880 –> 00:28:14.480
Speaker:
Is he just wanting to not be
found?

840
00:28:14.480 –> 00:28:16.920
Speaker:
It’s got to drive you guys
crazy.

841
00:28:16.920 –> 00:28:17.819
Speaker:
And it does.

842
00:28:17.819 –> 00:28:18.220
Speaker:
It does.

843
00:28:18.220 –> 00:28:21.819
Speaker:
And there’s so many people who
will tell me like, oh, I think

844
00:28:21.819 –> 00:28:25.099
Speaker:
he’s just strung out or, oh, you
know, he probably is dead.

845
00:28:25.099 –> 00:28:27.579
Speaker:
And, and I’m like, I don’t, I
don’t want, I don’t want to

846
00:28:27.579 –> 00:28:28.460
Speaker:
think about it.

847
00:28:28.460 –> 00:28:31.859
Speaker:
But unfortunately, it’s like,
you can’t not think about it.

848
00:28:31.859 –> 00:28:35.859
Speaker:
It almost doesn’t feel real
because there are so many times

849
00:28:35.859 –> 00:28:40.940
Speaker:
when I just think I’m like, oh,
like, because also Zach, he, he

850
00:28:40.940 –> 00:28:42.059
Speaker:
was, he was around.

851
00:28:42.059 –> 00:28:45.940
Speaker:
He wasn’t, you know, not around
or in the family, but he just,

852
00:28:45.940 –> 00:28:50.819
Speaker:
he was the type of sibling, I
guess, where I could go, you

853
00:28:50.819 –> 00:28:53.700
Speaker:
know, a couple a week or so
without talking to him.

854
00:28:53.700 –> 00:28:54.940
Speaker:
And then he would just show up

855
00:28:54.940 –> 00:28:56.299
Speaker:
in my house and he’d be like, I

856
00:28:56.299 –> 00:28:57.279
Speaker:
just wanted to come check on

857
00:28:57.279 –> 00:28:57.859
Speaker:
you.

858
00:28:57.859 –> 00:29:00.059
Speaker:
And so all the time, I just feel
like, you know, maybe I’m just

859
00:29:00.059 –> 00:29:02.539
Speaker:
going to come home one day and
then he’ll, he’ll just be here

860
00:29:02.539 –> 00:29:03.579
Speaker:
to check on me.

861
00:29:03.579 –> 00:29:05.660
Speaker:
I feel like that a lot.

862
00:29:05.660 –> 00:29:09.619
Speaker:
Hopefully you guys are able to
find him and he’s you know this

863
00:29:09.619 –> 00:29:10.980
Speaker:
has a happy ending.

864
00:29:10.980 –> 00:29:12.380
Speaker:
That’s that’s what I hope.

865
00:29:13.779 –> 00:29:17.109
Speaker:
And I actually reached out to
uh, his friend Chris, but I

866
00:29:17.109 –> 00:29:19.150
Speaker:
haven’t heard back from him, so
I guess that’s not surprising.

867
00:29:19.150 –> 00:29:23.750
Speaker:
He probably doesn’t sound like
he would want to talk, but I

868
00:29:23.750 –> 00:29:25.710
Speaker:
thought I’d give him the
opportunity, you know?

869
00:29:25.710 –> 00:29:26.190
Speaker:
Yes.

870
00:29:26.190 –> 00:29:30.150
Speaker:
And if if he does talk to you,
I. We’re all we would all love

871
00:29:30.150 –> 00:29:31.150
Speaker:
to hear what he has to say.

872
00:29:31.150 –> 00:29:33.470
Speaker:
Yeah, I think even the police.

873
00:29:33.470 –> 00:29:34.269
Speaker:
But but you never know.

874
00:29:34.269 –> 00:29:35.829
Speaker:
Maybe he’s like, hey, I just
want to clear the air.

875
00:29:35.829 –> 00:29:37.029
Speaker:
And this is what happened.

876
00:29:37.029 –> 00:29:40.150
Speaker:
And so is there anything else
you’d like to that you want to

877
00:29:40.150 –> 00:29:43.470
Speaker:
share or that you think people
need to know?

878
00:29:43.470 –> 00:29:47.430
Speaker:
I think, um, I know when we were
first posting, you know, like on

879
00:29:47.430 –> 00:29:50.509
Speaker:
social media about his
disappearance, um, the police

880
00:29:50.509 –> 00:29:53.789
Speaker:
had asked us to put in our post,
like when we made like the

881
00:29:53.789 –> 00:29:59.150
Speaker:
missing person thing to put on
it that, that he, I mean, it’s

882
00:29:59.150 –> 00:30:02.710
Speaker:
been so all these months and to
our knowledge, he has not had

883
00:30:02.710 –> 00:30:07.829
Speaker:
his medicine, uh, which means
that he mentally could be in a

884
00:30:07.829 –> 00:30:09.710
Speaker:
very different state right now.

885
00:30:09.710 –> 00:30:12.710
Speaker:
And it’s not that my brother, my
brother is not a threat.

886
00:30:12.710 –> 00:30:16.920
Speaker:
Like, he is not a mean person,
but we don’t know what type of

887
00:30:16.920 –> 00:30:18.599
Speaker:
state he is in mentally.

888
00:30:18.599 –> 00:30:20.200
Speaker:
And so the police stress to us

889
00:30:20.200 –> 00:30:21.519
Speaker:
that, you know, if someone

890
00:30:21.519 –> 00:30:23.140
Speaker:
thinks that they see him, like

891
00:30:23.140 –> 00:30:25.140
Speaker:
don’t approach him because we

892
00:30:25.140 –> 00:30:26.079
Speaker:
don’t know how he’s going to

893
00:30:26.079 –> 00:30:27.920
Speaker:
react and to just call the

894
00:30:27.920 –> 00:30:29.160
Speaker:
police first.

895
00:30:29.160 –> 00:30:30.079
Speaker:
Um, and that’s, I guess that

896
00:30:30.079 –> 00:30:30.880
Speaker:
would be the only thing that I

897
00:30:30.880 –> 00:30:32.559
Speaker:
want to mention because a lot of

898
00:30:32.559 –> 00:30:33.640
Speaker:
people kind of read that and

899
00:30:33.640 –> 00:30:35.460
Speaker:
they kind of took it as, oh,

900
00:30:35.460 –> 00:30:37.480
Speaker:
like, he’s dangerous and he’s,

901
00:30:37.480 –> 00:30:39.960
Speaker:
he’s not mentally there enough

902
00:30:39.960 –> 00:30:41.279
Speaker:
to, you know, refrain himself

903
00:30:41.279 –> 00:30:42.480
Speaker:
from becoming aggressive or

904
00:30:42.480 –> 00:30:43.880
Speaker:
whatever.

905
00:30:43.880 –> 00:30:47.359
Speaker:
Um, and I would like to think
that that’s not my brother, that

906
00:30:47.359 –> 00:30:49.039
Speaker:
he wouldn’t react that way.

907
00:30:49.039 –> 00:30:51.720
Speaker:
But I also don’t know where he
is mentally.

908
00:30:51.720 –> 00:30:54.839
Speaker:
And I know that it has been so
long without his medicine.

909
00:30:54.839 –> 00:30:57.920
Speaker:
Um, and that would be the one
thing I just want to stress to

910
00:30:57.920 –> 00:31:00.720
Speaker:
people that he is a good person.

911
00:31:00.720 –> 00:31:02.720
Speaker:
Um, but definitely probably

912
00:31:02.720 –> 00:31:03.720
Speaker:
don’t approach him if you think

913
00:31:03.720 –> 00:31:05.920
Speaker:
you see him and please call the

914
00:31:05.920 –> 00:31:06.720
Speaker:
Warren County Sheriff’s

915
00:31:06.720 –> 00:31:08.160
Speaker:
Department if you have any

916
00:31:08.160 –> 00:31:09.839
Speaker:
information or if you think you

917
00:31:09.839 –> 00:31:11.980
Speaker:
might have saw him like anything

918
00:31:11.980 –> 00:31:13.559
Speaker:
and the number to contact the

919
00:31:13.559 –> 00:31:14.500
Speaker:
Warrick County Sheriff’s

920
00:31:14.500 –> 00:31:16.319
Speaker:
Department is eight one two

921
00:31:16.319 –> 00:31:18.920
Speaker:
eight nine seven six one eight

922
00:31:18.920 –> 00:31:20.660
Speaker:
zero, and you can find that

923
00:31:20.660 –> 00:31:22.259
Speaker:
number down in the show notes at

924
00:31:22.259 –> 00:31:24.079
Speaker:
River City Mystery dot com slash

925
00:31:24.079 –> 00:31:25.619
Speaker:
fifteen.

926
00:31:25.619 –> 00:31:29.640
Speaker:
I’ll also have photos of Zachary
that you can reference to see

927
00:31:29.640 –> 00:31:31.220
Speaker:
you know who you’re looking for.

928
00:31:31.220 –> 00:31:32.460
Speaker:
Keep in mind it has been a

929
00:31:32.460 –> 00:31:34.180
Speaker:
number of months though, so he

930
00:31:34.180 –> 00:31:34.579
Speaker:
may have.

931
00:31:34.579 –> 00:31:36.099
Speaker:
His appearance may have changed.

932
00:31:36.099 –> 00:31:37.140
Speaker:
He may have lost weight.

933
00:31:37.140 –> 00:31:38.900
Speaker:
He may have more facial hair.

934
00:31:38.900 –> 00:31:40.539
Speaker:
So keep that in mind.

935
00:31:40.539 –> 00:31:44.140
Speaker:
I want to thank Gina and Cecilia
for sharing their stories today.

936
00:31:44.140 –> 00:31:45.579
Speaker:
Hopefully it brings the family

937
00:31:45.579 –> 00:31:47.200
Speaker:
one step closer to bringing

938
00:31:47.200 –> 00:31:49.339
Speaker:
Zachary home.

939
00:31:49.339 –> 00:31:50.380
Speaker:
Thank you for listening.

940
00:31:50.380 –> 00:31:52.500
Speaker:
Until next time, take care.