Interview with Joni Mayhan

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We were trying to find out how

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old she was and just different

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information.

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And all of a sudden we heard
like paper crinkling behind us

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and we heard a wow.

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And it was like a little
child’s.

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It wasn’t across any of the
equipment.

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It was in real life.

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It was a disembodied voice.

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It was like a little child
trying to scare us.

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You’re listening to River City

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Mystery Podcast, the show that

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delves into the Evansville and

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surrounding Tri-State area’s

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mysteries, including unsolved

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crimes, murders, and

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disappearances.

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A show that isn’t afraid to jump
down the rabbit hole to

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investigate reports of local
hauntings, sightings of UFOs and

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cryptids, among other paranormal
phenomena, with your host,

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co-founder of the Humans of
Evansville Facebook page.

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Law office worker by day.

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Insomniac.

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Researcher of the unknown.

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By night.

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Matt.

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Deig.

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Welcome to episode eight.

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I’m joined by Joanie Mahon,

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author, medium and paranormal

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investigator in new Harmony,

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Indiana.

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Welcome to the show, Joanie.

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Well, thank you for having me.

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I’m really excited.

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Yeah.

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I was actually at Barnes and
Noble and came across your book,

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your latest book, Haunted Posey
County, and just about fell out

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of my chair when I was like, oh
my gosh, there’s a book about

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hauntings in Posey County.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And before that, there was a
book about the hauntings in new

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Harmony that I wrote.

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So, uh, very haunted area,
apparently so.

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And I actually picked up both of
those books and have read them.

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And you do a really good job of
giving a history of all of the

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paranormal, you know, events and
you go into great detail.

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So you did a good job on those.

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Thank you.

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The history is really important
to me because it really

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interlinks with the haunting so
much, and I’m also just

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fascinated by what was there
before because as you know, a

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lot of times the haunting comes
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building that’s currently on it.

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And in some cases, we were able
to track it back to like four or

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five different things that had
been on that same spot.

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So it had a lot of relevance as
to why it was haunted.

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A lot of people lived there.

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Oh yeah.

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And I’ve always loved new
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There’s something about it.

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There’s something it’s kind of
hard to put your finger on it.

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There’s something in the air or
I don’t know.

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My wife and I got married at the
roofless church there, and every

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time we go there, it just feels
like something’s different.

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I know in, um, haunted new

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Harmony of the book, you say

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that you feel that the presence

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of the dead lingers heavily

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there.

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Why do you think that is?

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Like, why do you think it’s

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different there than other

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places?

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Well, this area has such a deep
history, a lot of roots.

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I mean, new Harmony was settled
before Indiana was even a state.

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So, you know, officially in a
state, a state.

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But, uh, it has a lot of
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The, um, uh, it was the site of
two former utopian societies,

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The Harmonists came here in
eighteen fourteen and settled

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the land and basically built the
town like it looks today.

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For the most part.

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I mean, laid it out in that same
grid.

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And, uh, they were here for ten
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And after they left and came the
second group, the Owen family.

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And, uh, they attempted a
communal living society.

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It didn’t work.

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But, you know, they put a lot of
time and effort into it, a lot

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of them stuck around.

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And one thing that I think might
contribute to the hauntings here

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is that we do investigations
here frequently, and we run into

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a lot of harmonist ghosts.

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And during Father Rapp’s time

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here, he was the leader of the

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Harmonists.

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He believed that the second
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happen while they were there.

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So he told his group that they

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were going to live as pure as

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possible.

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And one of the things they did
was they practiced celibacy.

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So even if they came to the
group as husband and wife, they

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were now brother and sister, and
they literally did it.

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Uh, but I feel like that anybody
that might have died during that

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time period, they would have
said, I’m not going anywhere.

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Jesus is coming, so I’m going to
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And then they got stuck in
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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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You know, that could attribute.

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And then also new Harmony you

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talked about you touched on the

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vibe.

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Um, there’s something here
that’s different.

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It’s different from anywhere
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I’ve been.

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The energy is different.

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I don’t know if it’s on a ley
line or a fault line or

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something, but the ground is
definitely holding on to energy

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that you don’t feel like in
Evansville or Mount Vernon or

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anywhere surrounding this place.

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And I feel like that kind of
perpetuates some hauntings.

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It gives it more hold, allows
them to haunt.

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So that could be something to do
with it.

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Plus that people are very
possessive of this town.

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You see it happen a lot.

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I mean, it’s called utopia for a
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People will move here and they
will decide that they.

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Their version of utopia looks
different than what’s presented,

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and they’ll try to change things
and people get very possessive,

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very, very much wanting to do
things their own way here.

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And and they either stay or they
leave after about four years.

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You see a lot of people move off

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because the energy didn’t match

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theirs.

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And you’d mentioned that because

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you were you’re a Posey County

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native, and then you kind of

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lived in the northeast for you

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kind of bounced around from

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twelve different towns, and then

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you found your way back to new

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Harmony, and you said you were

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kind of hesitant to mention that

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you were a paranormal

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investigator because, you know,

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it’s a small town and you never

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know how people are going to

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take that.

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So have people warmed up to that
or.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And who was kidding who they
knew who I was long before I

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even stepped foot in town.

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Um, small town grapevines are
very prosperous right now.

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Um, so, you know, I was just

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trying to make sure I wanted a

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place where I could heal and I

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could live and I could set down

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new roots.

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Uh, even though I grew up in
this area, this, I wanted this

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to be my new town, and I wanted
to stay here till I died.

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And I wanted the people here to
like me.

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I wanted to be part of the
community.

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And I was afraid that if I
started talking about the fact

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that, um, I was a paranormal
investigator and a medium, you

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know, um, that people would be,
you know, fearful of me.

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I mean, this town has eight
churches and the population is

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only under eight hundred people.

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So that’s one church for every
hundred people.

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And I thought, wow, you know,

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this is kind of Bible Belt

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territory.

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They’re probably not going to
like what I do.

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So I’ll ease in, you know, I’ll
let them get to know me first,

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and I’ll do everything I can to
make sure that they like me.

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And then then we’ll talk about
it.

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But now it’s and they’ve been
fine.

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I have really, if anybody’s
resistant to what I do, they

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don’t talk about it.

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But with you know, we didn’t
talk about this is that I also

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do ghost walks here in town.

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I do haunted new Harmony ghost
walks and they are so popular.

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This next year will be our sixth

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year doing them, and we pull a

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lot of people in to town from,

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you know, as far away as you

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know, I think we’ve had them

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from California.

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We’ve had them from Iowa, Saint
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We pull in a lot of tourists

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that may not have heard of new

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Harmony otherwise.

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And so that benefits everybody
that has a business or a

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restaurant or an inn.

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Um, you know, they’re able to,
I’m sure they make more money

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off of tourists than I do.

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So even if they don’t like what
you’re doing, they appreciate

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that you’re bringing in business
at the very least.

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Right, right, right.

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And I’m, you know, I’m, I mean,
part of the reason why I did

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this was because new Harmony had
a couple really hard hits in the

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last ten years.

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Uh, they lost their bridge that
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And a lot of that stopped like a

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thousand cars a day from coming

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through town, and they lost

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their school.

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And so there just wasn’t enough
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So they don’t even have school.

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So it’s hard to draw in families
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to be bused to another town.

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So I love new Harmony.

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I’ve always loved new Harmony,
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and a young adult.

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Uh, and I just want to do my
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So if what I do helps keep new
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then, you know, then that’s, you
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my biggest goals.

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So, you know, I do enjoy
supporting myself doing this,

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but I also want new harmony to
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That’s really important to me.

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That is awesome.

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Now, speaking of ghost walks and
paranormal investigations, you

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have an upcoming investigation
at the old Arbor Arbor House.

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Um, and I, I’m going to butcher
the name.

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It’s Chadwick fentanyl or Freddy
Joe.

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That’s right.

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I knew I was gonna butcher that,

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and it’s probably mispronounced,

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too.

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That’s what the people in new
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So it probably had a totally
different pronunciation.

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And you actually had an
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I read about, uh, at this
location with a with a spirit

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of, I guess, a, an older lady.

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So this was when I first moved
to town and before I even

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thought about writing haunted
and Harmony, I had no idea this

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town was haunted until I moved
here and I was just.

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I would walk around town a lot,
just admiring the old buildings.

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I love old architecture and I

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just, I don’t know, I geek out

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over it.

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And I came upon this beautiful

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old building on the corner of

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Church and Main Street and, um,

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called the Arbor House and it

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was open.

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It was a store so I could

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actually walk in there and I was

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all in, you know, I wanted to

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walk in.

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I wasn’t thinking about ghosts
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I was just thinking about

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getting a chance to look at the

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inside of this beautiful

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building.

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And I walked in and the store

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was open, but the lights were

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off.

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And I thought, well, this is

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weird, but I walked in and I was

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just kind of poking around and I

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got back to, um, a back room on

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the first floor that they had a

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lot of Christmas decorations and

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items.

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And, and as I walked in there,

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it felt like somebody walked in

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behind me.

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perceive the paranormal to begin

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with.

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I’m clairaudient.

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That’s my primary gateway.

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So I hear a tone similar to ear

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ringing when there’s a ghost

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nearby.

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So a lot of people have kind of
prompted them.

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If we’re in an investigation and
you see me turning my head back

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and forth, I’m just trying to
pinpoint where the ghost is

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because it’s going to be where
the sound is the loudest.

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And if I tune into that sound, I

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will pull in information, mind

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pictures.

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I just start collecting a lot of
data at that point.

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And as I was standing there, I

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thought, somebody walk in and my

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ears started ringing, but I

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whipped around because I really

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thought somebody had walked into

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the room.

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It was such a pronounced
feeling.

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And I turned around and there
was nobody there.

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And then I started getting mind
pictures, and I saw a woman and

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she had, like, iron gray hair
pulled back into a bun.

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She was wearing a dark or a

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dress like a plain dress, and

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she had round glasses on and

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they were almost like Harry

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Potter glasses.

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And that seemed really
important.

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And the two words that came into

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my mind were spinster and

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schoolmarm.

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And I thought, okay, you know,
and I saw her and, you know, she

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was very welcoming.

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She was not scary at all.

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And then she just kind of
drifted away.

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And at this point, I wasn’t
telling anybody what I did yet.

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Um, and as I got to the front
door and started to walk

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outside, I still hadn’t run into
anybody that worked there.

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The lights suddenly came on and

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I’m like, okay, you know, this

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is interesting.

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So I walked outside and there
was the owner and her name was

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Barb, and she was sitting
outside under the arbor smoking.

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And she started chatting me up

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and, uh, asked me, you know, my

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name and what I did for a

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living.

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And I just said, oh, I’m an
author.

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I write books.

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And she goes, oh, what kind of
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And I’m like, oh crap, here we
go.

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You know, I’m like, uh, I’m a
paranormal author and her

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eyebrows raised and she smiled.

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And I just knew in that

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expression that I had met a

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kindred.

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And I said, so I just took a
chance.

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I said, I met your ghost, by the
way.

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And she laughed and she said,
which one?

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So, um, you know, and we started
collecting.

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I started getting stories from

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her and that was where Haunted

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New Harmony began with that one

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story.

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So then I started talking to

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other people and getting more

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stories.

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Um, and, you know, was able to
fill a book and two ghost walks.

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But Barb ended up selling the
building last year to, um, some

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other people in town that ran a
gift shop called Lowry Hollow.

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And they bought it and they
spent about a year refurbishing

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the building and restoring it
and doing a lot of great things.

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So they just opened back up like
a month ago.

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And they know me.

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They’ve been actually been on my
ghost walks and investigations.

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They support what I do.

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and I asked her it was Len and
Rod Clark.

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I asked him, I said, would you

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let me do a paranormal

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investigation or open it up to

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the public?

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And she said, sure, why not?

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So we’ve already sold, I think,
twenty five tickets and we have

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twenty eight total.

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So three more tickets left and
it’ll be a fun investigation.

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We’ve already been in there and

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poked around a little bit, and

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they were answering us on the

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spirit box.

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So I’m very excited about that.

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You mentioned you’re a
clairaudient, which is I mean,

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people have heard of clairvoyant
and Clairaudient is where you

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basically hear the tones of, you
know, different ghosts, I guess,

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have different tones.

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Is that how that works?

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Did you differentiate one from
another?

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Yeah, I can sometimes, um, I can
definitely tell if they are good

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or bad immediately.

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Um, I just feel it.

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And men’s male tones tend to,

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uh, be lower in register than a

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female tone.

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And if it’s like a spirit guide
or, um, someone who has crossed

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over and is just coming back to
visit like a spirit.

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It’s a real high pitched sound.

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It’s very clear.

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Like a bell.

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Uh. And if I tune into that,

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that’s when I start getting more

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information.

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So it’s my gateway.

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So if I don’t want to know any
information, I just try to

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listen around the sound and
don’t pay attention to it.

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But if I’m doing my medium
thing, then I will tune in and

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try to get more information.

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So you basically always hear the
ringing or the noise and you can

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tune it out sometimes.

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That’s interesting.

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I can’t completely tune it out,

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but I’ve learned how to listen

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around it.

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Just not paying attention to it.

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Because everywhere I go, there’s
pretty much a ghost.

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You know, they, they kind of
find me.

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I, I’m also a ghost magnet,
which is another title of one of

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my other books.

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Um, they find me and, um, follow
me home.

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That sounds kind of terrifying.

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And it was, it was in the
beginning.

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It was terrifying.

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Uh, because I didn’t have any
assistance.

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I had nobody to help me.

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Um, and, you know, it’s kind of
one of my lessons that I try to

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teach people is if you’re a
medium, uh, before you get too

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deep into it and really, you
know, because the more you work

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it, the stronger you get.

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And before you get to that
point, make sure you have

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somebody in your pocket that you
can help you.

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If something follows you home,
what are you going to do?

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You know, are you capable of
pushing it out?

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If you’re not, then you better
know a shaman or a medium or

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somebody who’s stronger than you
that can do that.

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And I didn’t for a long time.

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So it was terrifying.

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And you did mention that you

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eventually did find like a

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mentor who was able to kind of

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walk you through these sorts of

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situations where, you know,

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Speaker:
yeah, I’ve had a lot of mentors

429
00:15:25.019 –> 00:15:26.379
Speaker:
and they’ve definitely helped

430
00:15:26.379 –> 00:15:28.659
Speaker:
me, but nobody has been able to

431
00:15:28.659 –> 00:15:31.240
Speaker:
fully teach me how to push the

432
00:15:31.240 –> 00:15:32.460
Speaker:
ghost completely out of the

433
00:15:32.460 –> 00:15:34.440
Speaker:
house to get them off of me for

434
00:15:34.440 –> 00:15:34.620
Speaker:
that.

435
00:15:34.620 –> 00:15:38.740
Speaker:
I have a shaman friend in
Virginia and he works remotely.

436
00:15:38.740 –> 00:15:42.960
Speaker:
He sends his spirit guides in
and they take care of things and

437
00:15:42.960 –> 00:15:44.580
Speaker:
the hauntings gone and he’s.

438
00:15:44.580 –> 00:15:46.019
Speaker:
I wrote a book about him as well

439
00:15:46.019 –> 00:15:48.820
Speaker:
called Ruinous Souls, and he has

440
00:15:48.820 –> 00:15:50.860
Speaker:
done this for probably twenty

441
00:15:50.860 –> 00:15:51.460
Speaker:
years.

442
00:15:51.460 –> 00:15:54.220
Speaker:
And he’s like a modern day
superhero.

443
00:15:54.220 –> 00:15:56.460
Speaker:
I swear he had a hard time with

444
00:15:56.460 –> 00:15:57.980
Speaker:
that book, because nobody really

445
00:15:57.980 –> 00:15:59.039
Speaker:
was hard for people to

446
00:15:59.039 –> 00:16:00.700
Speaker:
conceptualize that.

447
00:16:00.700 –> 00:16:04.059
Speaker:
I called my friend in Virginia,
and he sent his invisible

448
00:16:04.059 –> 00:16:07.059
Speaker:
friends to help me, and the
haunting went away.

449
00:16:07.059 –> 00:16:10.100
Speaker:
Um, but, you know, I can tell
you that, you know, not only me,

450
00:16:10.100 –> 00:16:12.379
Speaker:
but all the people in the book
that I wrote about and all the

451
00:16:12.379 –> 00:16:14.820
Speaker:
people he’s helped over the
years can attest to the fact

452
00:16:14.820 –> 00:16:16.259
Speaker:
that what he does works.

453
00:16:16.259 –> 00:16:20.820
Speaker:
So I’m happy, very blessed to
have him in my life.

454
00:16:20.820 –> 00:16:23.500
Speaker:
When you’re doing like a
paranormal investigation, what

455
00:16:23.500 –> 00:16:24.820
Speaker:
is your goal?

456
00:16:24.820 –> 00:16:26.440
Speaker:
Is it to help the resident of

457
00:16:26.440 –> 00:16:28.500
Speaker:
the building or the home, or is

458
00:16:28.500 –> 00:16:30.580
Speaker:
it to help the spirit cross

459
00:16:30.580 –> 00:16:30.899
Speaker:
over?

460
00:16:30.899 –> 00:16:33.460
Speaker:
Or what exactly are you trying
to do?

461
00:16:33.460 –> 00:16:36.139
Speaker:
A lot of times it just depends
on the circumstance.

462
00:16:36.139 –> 00:16:40.860
Speaker:
I am called to do a lot of house
walkthroughs, and I will go in

463
00:16:40.860 –> 00:16:42.620
Speaker:
and I’ll just see what’s there.

464
00:16:42.620 –> 00:16:45.779
Speaker:
If there’s, um, you know, most

465
00:16:45.779 –> 00:16:46.740
Speaker:
of the time it’s a former

466
00:16:46.740 –> 00:16:47.340
Speaker:
homeowner.

467
00:16:47.340 –> 00:16:48.899
Speaker:
That’s what it’s almost always

468
00:16:48.899 –> 00:16:50.100
Speaker:
been a former homeowner that

469
00:16:50.100 –> 00:16:51.139
Speaker:
loves their home and they just

470
00:16:51.139 –> 00:16:52.820
Speaker:
stayed and they don’t want to be

471
00:16:52.820 –> 00:16:53.419
Speaker:
crossed over.

472
00:16:53.419 –> 00:16:55.980
Speaker:
Like I always give them the
option I can help them cross if

473
00:16:55.980 –> 00:16:57.059
Speaker:
they want to cross.

474
00:16:57.059 –> 00:17:00.019
Speaker:
Um, but none of them want to,
they’re happy where they are.

475
00:17:00.019 –> 00:17:01.779
Speaker:
They just want to share the
house.

476
00:17:01.779 –> 00:17:05.460
Speaker:
Um, and, and then I can provide
that information to the

477
00:17:05.460 –> 00:17:09.200
Speaker:
homeowner to let them know, you
know, look, you know, just

478
00:17:09.200 –> 00:17:11.259
Speaker:
they’re aware of you, you’re
aware of them.

479
00:17:11.259 –> 00:17:12.299
Speaker:
Just if they start doing

480
00:17:12.299 –> 00:17:13.960
Speaker:
something you perceive as scary,

481
00:17:13.960 –> 00:17:15.940
Speaker:
ask them to stop because it’s

482
00:17:15.940 –> 00:17:17.700
Speaker:
just, uh, you know, a woman from

483
00:17:17.700 –> 00:17:19.019
Speaker:
the nineteen forties in her

484
00:17:19.019 –> 00:17:20.539
Speaker:
kitchen, you know, baking a

485
00:17:20.539 –> 00:17:20.900
Speaker:
cake.

486
00:17:20.900 –> 00:17:22.539
Speaker:
And, uh, she’s not aware that

487
00:17:22.539 –> 00:17:23.940
Speaker:
she’s making sounds that’s

488
00:17:23.940 –> 00:17:24.660
Speaker:
scaring you.

489
00:17:24.660 –> 00:17:29.819
Speaker:
So, uh, other situations, a lot
of times it’s, uh, just for the

490
00:17:29.819 –> 00:17:32.420
Speaker:
historical information, like
there’s a lot of things that

491
00:17:32.420 –> 00:17:34.220
Speaker:
have been lost to history.

492
00:17:34.220 –> 00:17:37.019
Speaker:
And I think a lot of things that
are covered up due to wealth,

493
00:17:37.019 –> 00:17:40.259
Speaker:
like somebody got murdered,
sometimes it can be covered up.

494
00:17:40.259 –> 00:17:43.329
Speaker:
So we’ve done a lot of
investigations where we’ve just

495
00:17:43.329 –> 00:17:44.970
Speaker:
tried to learn more information.

496
00:17:44.970 –> 00:17:46.569
Speaker:
You know, of course, we’re
always going to help them if

497
00:17:46.569 –> 00:17:47.210
Speaker:
they want help.

498
00:17:47.210 –> 00:17:49.089
Speaker:
But, you know, so far, very few

499
00:17:49.089 –> 00:17:50.730
Speaker:
of them have wanted any, any

500
00:17:50.730 –> 00:17:52.390
Speaker:
assistance in crossing over, but

501
00:17:52.390 –> 00:17:54.529
Speaker:
they’re willing to share

502
00:17:54.529 –> 00:17:55.369
Speaker:
information.

503
00:17:55.369 –> 00:17:57.329
Speaker:
So that’s always good.

504
00:17:57.329 –> 00:17:58.450
Speaker:
What are ghosts doing?

505
00:17:58.450 –> 00:18:01.210
Speaker:
Like, I mean, so say they’re you
find a ghost in a house or say

506
00:18:01.210 –> 00:18:04.609
Speaker:
the, the, the older lady at the
Arbor House that you were at,

507
00:18:04.609 –> 00:18:07.009
Speaker:
what is she doing is just
sitting in a rocking chair for

508
00:18:07.009 –> 00:18:09.809
Speaker:
eternity, or what do you think
that they do to fill their day?

509
00:18:09.809 –> 00:18:12.569
Speaker:
Or what is, you know, do you
know what they do?

510
00:18:12.569 –> 00:18:14.890
Speaker:
I think it’s different for all
of them.

511
00:18:14.890 –> 00:18:16.130
Speaker:
I think it depends on their

512
00:18:16.130 –> 00:18:18.809
Speaker:
level of what they see and what

513
00:18:18.809 –> 00:18:20.009
Speaker:
they their, you know, what they

514
00:18:20.009 –> 00:18:20.890
Speaker:
perceive.

515
00:18:20.890 –> 00:18:22.289
Speaker:
Sometimes they, they don’t even

516
00:18:22.289 –> 00:18:23.170
Speaker:
know they’re dead and they’re

517
00:18:23.170 –> 00:18:24.529
Speaker:
just going about their life like

518
00:18:24.529 –> 00:18:25.410
Speaker:
they would.

519
00:18:25.410 –> 00:18:26.809
Speaker:
They see everything like it was

520
00:18:26.809 –> 00:18:27.849
Speaker:
when they were there in their

521
00:18:27.849 –> 00:18:28.130
Speaker:
day.

522
00:18:28.130 –> 00:18:32.369
Speaker:
And other times, um, they see a
little bit of what we see and a

523
00:18:32.369 –> 00:18:33.769
Speaker:
little bit of what they see.

524
00:18:33.769 –> 00:18:35.890
Speaker:
And I don’t feel like they see
us all the time.

525
00:18:35.890 –> 00:18:37.529
Speaker:
I feel like they’re living their
lives.

526
00:18:37.529 –> 00:18:40.490
Speaker:
And, uh, it makes me think a lot
about the movie.

527
00:18:40.490 –> 00:18:42.450
Speaker:
The Others with Nicole Kidman.

528
00:18:42.450 –> 00:18:43.930
Speaker:
One of my favorite ghost movies

529
00:18:43.930 –> 00:18:45.210
Speaker:
because I feel like that’s

530
00:18:45.210 –> 00:18:47.650
Speaker:
pretty accurate with what they

531
00:18:47.650 –> 00:18:47.930
Speaker:
see.

532
00:18:47.930 –> 00:18:49.690
Speaker:
Like they’ll catch glimpses of
us.

533
00:18:49.690 –> 00:18:51.089
Speaker:
They don’t always see us.

534
00:18:51.089 –> 00:18:54.410
Speaker:
And, um, you know, so sometimes
it’s nice just to be able to

535
00:18:54.410 –> 00:18:57.569
Speaker:
tell them, look, other people
are here, you know, you’re what

536
00:18:57.569 –> 00:18:59.529
Speaker:
you’re hearing is not, you know,
not a ghost.

537
00:18:59.529 –> 00:19:01.849
Speaker:
You are the ghost, right?

538
00:19:01.849 –> 00:19:05.049
Speaker:
You know, and you mentioned new
Harmony is a thin.

539
00:19:05.049 –> 00:19:06.730
Speaker:
You call it a thin place.

540
00:19:06.730 –> 00:19:10.109
Speaker:
Um, I guess the, the line
between the living and the dead

541
00:19:10.109 –> 00:19:11.529
Speaker:
is thinner in that area.

542
00:19:11.529 –> 00:19:12.130
Speaker:
You think?

543
00:19:12.130 –> 00:19:16.769
Speaker:
Um, so maybe that’s why there’s
more activity in that town.

544
00:19:16.769 –> 00:19:17.210
Speaker:
Yeah.

545
00:19:17.210 –> 00:19:20.490
Speaker:
You know, and that’s not a term
I coined myself.

546
00:19:20.490 –> 00:19:22.369
Speaker:
I learned that from the locals.

547
00:19:22.369 –> 00:19:24.170
Speaker:
Uh, they all talk about it.

548
00:19:24.170 –> 00:19:25.529
Speaker:
Yeah, they talk about it a lot.

549
00:19:25.529 –> 00:19:27.650
Speaker:
You know, you think in a town

550
00:19:27.650 –> 00:19:29.490
Speaker:
with such a small population

551
00:19:29.490 –> 00:19:31.289
Speaker:
that there would be a lot of

552
00:19:31.289 –> 00:19:33.089
Speaker:
people that scoff at what I do,

553
00:19:33.089 –> 00:19:35.470
Speaker:
but they don’t, because it’s so

554
00:19:35.470 –> 00:19:36.529
Speaker:
haunted that I feel like

555
00:19:36.529 –> 00:19:37.930
Speaker:
everybody that lives here has

556
00:19:37.930 –> 00:19:40.410
Speaker:
either had an experience or know

557
00:19:40.410 –> 00:19:41.690
Speaker:
somebody that’s had an

558
00:19:41.690 –> 00:19:42.410
Speaker:
experience.

559
00:19:42.410 –> 00:19:45.049
Speaker:
So there there’s a lot of
believers here that you wouldn’t

560
00:19:45.049 –> 00:19:48.809
Speaker:
think otherwise when you think
of or when I think of hauntings,

561
00:19:48.809 –> 00:19:51.890
Speaker:
I always think of, you know, the
quintessential haunted house or

562
00:19:51.890 –> 00:19:53.369
Speaker:
the scary old places.

563
00:19:53.369 –> 00:19:56.329
Speaker:
But I don’t think of like a
newly built Dollar General.

564
00:19:56.329 –> 00:19:57.609
Speaker:
And you actually write about a

565
00:19:57.609 –> 00:19:58.769
Speaker:
situation where there’s a newly

566
00:19:58.769 –> 00:20:00.049
Speaker:
built Dollar General that was

567
00:20:00.049 –> 00:20:00.769
Speaker:
haunted.

568
00:20:00.769 –> 00:20:02.890
Speaker:
The workers there were all kind
of freaked out and everything.

569
00:20:02.890 –> 00:20:04.730
Speaker:
So that’s something that’s kind
of interesting that you came

570
00:20:04.730 –> 00:20:08.170
Speaker:
across that that was crazy.

571
00:20:08.170 –> 00:20:11.529
Speaker:
I mean, you know, in this town,
all we had up until that point

572
00:20:11.529 –> 00:20:15.329
Speaker:
was, um, two convenience stores
and gas stations.

573
00:20:15.329 –> 00:20:16.849
Speaker:
We didn’t have our grocery store

574
00:20:16.849 –> 00:20:18.250
Speaker:
closed like probably twenty

575
00:20:18.250 –> 00:20:18.849
Speaker:
years ago.

576
00:20:18.849 –> 00:20:23.049
Speaker:
So for us, we have to drive a
half an hour, forty five minutes

577
00:20:23.049 –> 00:20:25.250
Speaker:
to Evansville to get groceries
or to Mount Vernon.

578
00:20:25.250 –> 00:20:28.490
Speaker:
But, um, it, you know, it was
such a pain.

579
00:20:28.490 –> 00:20:31.529
Speaker:
And when we heard there was a
Dollar General opening here, a

580
00:20:31.529 –> 00:20:34.710
Speaker:
lot of us were really excited
because it meant not having to

581
00:20:34.710 –> 00:20:38.980
Speaker:
drive to Evansville to get, you
know, some basic supplies and,

582
00:20:38.980 –> 00:20:41.799
Speaker:
you know, went in and I really
wasn’t thinking about ghosts.

583
00:20:41.799 –> 00:20:45.599
Speaker:
I never really tuned in and felt
anything, but I was friends with

584
00:20:45.599 –> 00:20:47.900
Speaker:
a few people that worked there
because, I mean, when you’re in

585
00:20:47.900 –> 00:20:51.319
Speaker:
there every other day, you start
to learn people’s names and

586
00:20:51.319 –> 00:20:52.880
Speaker:
become friends with them.

587
00:20:52.880 –> 00:20:56.480
Speaker:
And one woman posted that, you
know, we’ve had some crazy

588
00:20:56.480 –> 00:20:59.259
Speaker:
things happen at the Dollar
General and then, you know,

589
00:20:59.259 –> 00:21:02.720
Speaker:
talking about some weird
paranormal stuff happening.

590
00:21:02.720 –> 00:21:06.359
Speaker:
So she was actually working when
she posted that and I messaged

591
00:21:06.359 –> 00:21:10.119
Speaker:
her and I’m like, hey, can I
come down and talk to you?

592
00:21:10.119 –> 00:21:12.859
Speaker:
And I wasn’t even writing

593
00:21:12.859 –> 00:21:14.640
Speaker:
haunted Posey County at that

594
00:21:14.640 –> 00:21:15.000
Speaker:
point.

595
00:21:15.000 –> 00:21:19.200
Speaker:
I was just intrigued by, like
you said, how can a brand new

596
00:21:19.200 –> 00:21:20.599
Speaker:
building have a haunting?

597
00:21:20.599 –> 00:21:20.960
Speaker:
Right?

598
00:21:20.960 –> 00:21:22.759
Speaker:
And I went down there and the

599
00:21:22.759 –> 00:21:24.480
Speaker:
story that they told me was just

600
00:21:24.480 –> 00:21:25.119
Speaker:
phenomenal.

601
00:21:25.119 –> 00:21:26.960
Speaker:
And I talked to a lot of people

602
00:21:26.960 –> 00:21:28.119
Speaker:
that worked there and had weird

603
00:21:28.119 –> 00:21:29.359
Speaker:
things happen.

604
00:21:29.359 –> 00:21:30.160
Speaker:
They’d see things.

605
00:21:30.160 –> 00:21:31.759
Speaker:
They’d hear footsteps coming up

606
00:21:31.759 –> 00:21:33.400
Speaker:
to the office door at night when

607
00:21:33.400 –> 00:21:34.519
Speaker:
the doors were locked, and

608
00:21:34.519 –> 00:21:35.900
Speaker:
they’d see shadows in the

609
00:21:35.900 –> 00:21:37.559
Speaker:
cameras at night when they were

610
00:21:37.559 –> 00:21:38.039
Speaker:
there.

611
00:21:38.039 –> 00:21:41.519
Speaker:
But the one thing that really
got my attention was what had

612
00:21:41.519 –> 00:21:43.119
Speaker:
happened to Julie.

613
00:21:43.119 –> 00:21:48.960
Speaker:
Um, she lived in lives in town,
so if there was an alarm call,

614
00:21:48.960 –> 00:21:52.240
Speaker:
she was always the first one
that would have to go there.

615
00:21:52.240 –> 00:21:54.400
Speaker:
And she got there and the alarm

616
00:21:54.400 –> 00:21:55.599
Speaker:
had gone off and they looked

617
00:21:55.599 –> 00:21:55.920
Speaker:
around.

618
00:21:55.920 –> 00:21:58.880
Speaker:
There was nothing out of place,
nothing that could explain it.

619
00:21:58.880 –> 00:22:01.000
Speaker:
So she went back home, and the

620
00:22:01.000 –> 00:22:02.640
Speaker:
next morning the manager came in

621
00:22:02.640 –> 00:22:05.119
Speaker:
and pulled the cameras for that

622
00:22:05.119 –> 00:22:06.319
Speaker:
time period.

623
00:22:06.319 –> 00:22:10.759
Speaker:
And what she saw was really
spine tingling.

624
00:22:10.759 –> 00:22:13.480
Speaker:
She saw a basketball sized orb

625
00:22:13.480 –> 00:22:15.559
Speaker:
of light travel all the way

626
00:22:15.559 –> 00:22:15.960
Speaker:
down.

627
00:22:15.960 –> 00:22:18.039
Speaker:
One of the really long aisles of

628
00:22:18.039 –> 00:22:20.599
Speaker:
the store, make a U-turn, go

629
00:22:20.599 –> 00:22:22.160
Speaker:
down the next aisle, and then

630
00:22:22.160 –> 00:22:23.440
Speaker:
shoot right into a motion

631
00:22:23.440 –> 00:22:25.079
Speaker:
sensor.

632
00:22:25.079 –> 00:22:26.960
Speaker:
And it’s that the motion sensor
off.

633
00:22:26.960 –> 00:22:29.759
Speaker:
So, uh, that’s when I went down.

634
00:22:29.759 –> 00:22:33.720
Speaker:
And, um, they let me do as many
paranormal investigation there.

635
00:22:33.720 –> 00:22:36.920
Speaker:
When the store closed, a few of
us stayed after and we used a

636
00:22:36.920 –> 00:22:40.759
Speaker:
spirit box, and I was just
trying to tune in and I kept

637
00:22:40.759 –> 00:22:45.240
Speaker:
picking up on a man, um, kind of
a heavyset man, probably in his

638
00:22:45.240 –> 00:22:46.960
Speaker:
fifties or 60s with dark hair.

639
00:22:46.960 –> 00:22:49.359
Speaker:
And I saw him in a dark trench
coat.

640
00:22:49.359 –> 00:22:52.880
Speaker:
And I don’t know if he was using
that to try to invoke fear.

641
00:22:52.880 –> 00:22:55.519
Speaker:
Like, you know, he was scared,
you know?

642
00:22:55.519 –> 00:22:57.799
Speaker:
But then I was also picking up
on a little girl.

643
00:22:57.799 –> 00:23:00.039
Speaker:
So that was what was
interesting.

644
00:23:00.039 –> 00:23:01.960
Speaker:
And, um, just over time, I, you

645
00:23:01.960 –> 00:23:03.000
Speaker:
know, that night actually, I

646
00:23:03.000 –> 00:23:04.000
Speaker:
walked back there and I said,

647
00:23:04.000 –> 00:23:05.160
Speaker:
look, you’re scaring the people

648
00:23:05.160 –> 00:23:07.200
Speaker:
that work here and they’re not

649
00:23:07.200 –> 00:23:08.420
Speaker:
going to have anybody left to

650
00:23:08.420 –> 00:23:10.400
Speaker:
work here if you keep scaring

651
00:23:10.400 –> 00:23:10.880
Speaker:
them off.

652
00:23:10.880 –> 00:23:13.960
Speaker:
And, um, things did calm down.

653
00:23:13.960 –> 00:23:17.440
Speaker:
But, uh, I talked to the manager
not long ago, and she’s not

654
00:23:17.440 –> 00:23:20.539
Speaker:
unconvinced that whatever was
there didn’t follow me home,

655
00:23:20.539 –> 00:23:22.839
Speaker:
which is very possible.

656
00:23:22.839 –> 00:23:25.079
Speaker:
So we think it came with the
land.

657
00:23:25.079 –> 00:23:26.359
Speaker:
Um, there used to be.

658
00:23:26.359 –> 00:23:27.559
Speaker:
There’s been a lot of things
there.

659
00:23:27.559 –> 00:23:29.160
Speaker:
I mean, you know, over time, I

660
00:23:29.160 –> 00:23:30.599
Speaker:
mean, you know, Native Americans

661
00:23:30.599 –> 00:23:32.599
Speaker:
lived here back two thousand

662
00:23:32.599 –> 00:23:33.799
Speaker:
years ago.

663
00:23:33.799 –> 00:23:37.309
Speaker:
So Before that, right before,
probably ten years before it was

664
00:23:37.309 –> 00:23:38.230
Speaker:
the Dollar General.

665
00:23:38.230 –> 00:23:41.190
Speaker:
It was a barbecue country store.

666
00:23:41.190 –> 00:23:43.829
Speaker:
And to my knowledge, nobody died
there.

667
00:23:43.829 –> 00:23:47.670
Speaker:
But a man that used to live next
door had a trailer back in the

668
00:23:47.670 –> 00:23:50.109
Speaker:
back, and he did had a heart
attack and died there.

669
00:23:50.109 –> 00:23:51.569
Speaker:
And some people say that who I

670
00:23:51.569 –> 00:23:53.710
Speaker:
described sounds an awful lot

671
00:23:53.710 –> 00:23:54.269
Speaker:
like him.

672
00:23:54.269 –> 00:23:56.670
Speaker:
So maybe he drifted over, I
don’t know.

673
00:23:56.670 –> 00:23:59.390
Speaker:
They don’t have to die in a
place to haunt it though.

674
00:23:59.390 –> 00:24:02.430
Speaker:
So he, you know, could have been
come, come with a driver or come

675
00:24:02.430 –> 00:24:04.829
Speaker:
with a customer or an employee.

676
00:24:04.829 –> 00:24:07.990
Speaker:
They took a look and said, hey,
I think we’ll just hang out here

677
00:24:07.990 –> 00:24:09.150
Speaker:
for a while.

678
00:24:09.150 –> 00:24:11.950
Speaker:
I don’t know, but now I talked
to him that really nothing has

679
00:24:11.950 –> 00:24:12.990
Speaker:
happened in a while.

680
00:24:12.990 –> 00:24:14.950
Speaker:
So are there places that are

681
00:24:14.950 –> 00:24:16.470
Speaker:
more likely to be haunted than

682
00:24:16.470 –> 00:24:16.869
Speaker:
others?

683
00:24:16.869 –> 00:24:20.109
Speaker:
I mean, I was kind of thinking
about it and like, you never

684
00:24:20.109 –> 00:24:22.069
Speaker:
really hear about haunted
nursing homes, even though

685
00:24:22.069 –> 00:24:24.509
Speaker:
people are dying all the times
in nursing homes and hospitals,

686
00:24:24.509 –> 00:24:27.869
Speaker:
you don’t hear a lot of haunted
nursing home stories or, or I

687
00:24:27.869 –> 00:24:31.630
Speaker:
don’t I like to I’ve
investigated a lot of yeah,

688
00:24:31.630 –> 00:24:36.470
Speaker:
yeah, I’ve investigated a lot of
nursing homes and hospitals and

689
00:24:36.470 –> 00:24:38.029
Speaker:
both are very haunted.

690
00:24:38.029 –> 00:24:41.109
Speaker:
Um, you know, you’re dealing
with people that may have been

691
00:24:41.109 –> 00:24:43.630
Speaker:
confused when they were, when
they were passing away.

692
00:24:43.630 –> 00:24:43.950
Speaker:
Yeah.

693
00:24:43.950 –> 00:24:49.150
Speaker:
We, um, we did the, um, Indiana
State asylum and not too long

694
00:24:49.150 –> 00:24:52.069
Speaker:
ago, we actually went back twice
and we plan to keep going back.

695
00:24:52.069 –> 00:24:54.470
Speaker:
And part of that was an old
nursing home.

696
00:24:54.470 –> 00:24:58.170
Speaker:
And that was the most active out
of, uh, there was an old, uh,

697
00:24:58.170 –> 00:25:01.950
Speaker:
the ruins from an old
tuberculosis hospital and a lot

698
00:25:01.950 –> 00:25:02.950
Speaker:
of other outbuildings.

699
00:25:02.950 –> 00:25:05.509
Speaker:
But the old nursing home was the
most haunted.

700
00:25:05.509 –> 00:25:07.549
Speaker:
So I think, you know, it has to

701
00:25:07.549 –> 00:25:09.390
Speaker:
be a place where people lived or

702
00:25:09.390 –> 00:25:10.710
Speaker:
people loved.

703
00:25:10.710 –> 00:25:13.829
Speaker:
If it’s beloved, they’re
probably going to stick around.

704
00:25:13.829 –> 00:25:18.230
Speaker:
Um, old beautiful houses, old,
beautiful historic houses, like,

705
00:25:18.230 –> 00:25:21.549
Speaker:
you know, you drive down like
New Albany and you see all these

706
00:25:21.549 –> 00:25:24.390
Speaker:
gorgeous old houses or the
riverfront, Mount Vernon.

707
00:25:24.390 –> 00:25:25.990
Speaker:
And you know, to me, there’s no

708
00:25:25.990 –> 00:25:27.369
Speaker:
doubt in my mind that there’s a

709
00:25:27.369 –> 00:25:27.910
Speaker:
ghost there.

710
00:25:27.910 –> 00:25:30.029
Speaker:
Maybe two, maybe three, maybe
more.

711
00:25:30.029 –> 00:25:31.630
Speaker:
Um, and if the people don’t feel

712
00:25:31.630 –> 00:25:33.039
Speaker:
them, it doesn’t mean it’s not

713
00:25:33.039 –> 00:25:33.539
Speaker:
haunted.

714
00:25:33.539 –> 00:25:36.339
Speaker:
It just means that the ghosts
are staying quiet.

715
00:25:36.339 –> 00:25:38.140
Speaker:
They don’t want to be found out.

716
00:25:38.140 –> 00:25:39.579
Speaker:
You know, they’re laying low.

717
00:25:39.579 –> 00:25:42.779
Speaker:
They are laying low and for good
reason in a lot of cases,

718
00:25:42.779 –> 00:25:45.740
Speaker:
because, you know, if they’ve
ever turned on a TV and watched

719
00:25:45.740 –> 00:25:48.619
Speaker:
Ghost Adventures, they may
realize that, you know, people

720
00:25:48.619 –> 00:25:51.180
Speaker:
are going to come in and start
looking for them and maybe they

721
00:25:51.180 –> 00:25:53.180
Speaker:
don’t want to be found.

722
00:25:53.180 –> 00:25:55.059
Speaker:
You mentioned that you bring a
spirit box.

723
00:25:55.059 –> 00:25:56.660
Speaker:
Do you have any other equipment

724
00:25:56.660 –> 00:25:57.579
Speaker:
with you when you go on these

725
00:25:57.579 –> 00:25:58.859
Speaker:
investigations?

726
00:25:58.859 –> 00:26:01.619
Speaker:
Yeah, we have actually have a
lot of equipment.

727
00:26:01.619 –> 00:26:07.119
Speaker:
I happen to like the spirit box
because we can get um, audio

728
00:26:07.119 –> 00:26:08.779
Speaker:
that that is clearly understood.

729
00:26:08.779 –> 00:26:10.880
Speaker:
I mean, we will also just do EVP

730
00:26:10.880 –> 00:26:12.460
Speaker:
sessions where we’re just using

731
00:26:12.460 –> 00:26:13.660
Speaker:
our recorders.

732
00:26:13.660 –> 00:26:17.579
Speaker:
And for me, those are really
interesting, but you have to

733
00:26:17.579 –> 00:26:21.400
Speaker:
have the right control
situation, like small groups,

734
00:26:21.400 –> 00:26:25.460
Speaker:
and you have to be aware of
everything going on in the room.

735
00:26:25.460 –> 00:26:28.940
Speaker:
Like if somebody whispers, it’s
going to sound like an EVP.

736
00:26:28.940 –> 00:26:32.019
Speaker:
So, um, that’s why a lot of my
public events.

737
00:26:32.019 –> 00:26:35.140
Speaker:
We do more spirit box than
anything, because you can’t

738
00:26:35.140 –> 00:26:39.180
Speaker:
necessarily trust an EVP in a
group of more than five people.

739
00:26:39.180 –> 00:26:43.720
Speaker:
Uh, but we also have an SLS
camera which uses the Connect’s

740
00:26:43.720 –> 00:26:47.700
Speaker:
technology and shows the stick
figures on the screen.

741
00:26:47.700 –> 00:26:50.940
Speaker:
We actually have two of those
for the team, and we have a

742
00:26:50.940 –> 00:26:57.579
Speaker:
portal which hooks up to, um,
the, um, SB eleven spirit box.

743
00:26:57.579 –> 00:26:59.980
Speaker:
And uh, I’m not as sold on that.

744
00:26:59.980 –> 00:27:01.660
Speaker:
I feel like a lot of other

745
00:27:01.660 –> 00:27:03.059
Speaker:
people really love it, but it

746
00:27:03.059 –> 00:27:04.539
Speaker:
feels like it shortens, it takes

747
00:27:04.539 –> 00:27:06.059
Speaker:
away that choppiness, but it

748
00:27:06.059 –> 00:27:07.779
Speaker:
shortens the reactions or the

749
00:27:07.779 –> 00:27:08.700
Speaker:
answers.

750
00:27:08.700 –> 00:27:11.579
Speaker:
So it’s for me harder to
understand.

751
00:27:11.579 –> 00:27:14.700
Speaker:
Uh, we use REM pods and motion

752
00:27:14.700 –> 00:27:17.660
Speaker:
sensors and, um, I don’t know,

753
00:27:17.660 –> 00:27:20.059
Speaker:
look over at my equipment when

754
00:27:20.059 –> 00:27:21.180
Speaker:
there’s quite a bit of, you

755
00:27:21.180 –> 00:27:22.359
Speaker:
know, quite a bit of, you know,

756
00:27:22.359 –> 00:27:24.339
Speaker:
we’ve, we’ve used flashlights,

757
00:27:24.339 –> 00:27:26.420
Speaker:
mag lights in the past to get

758
00:27:26.420 –> 00:27:26.940
Speaker:
reactions.

759
00:27:26.940 –> 00:27:30.539
Speaker:
But, you know, I’m always a
skeptic on some of these things.

760
00:27:30.539 –> 00:27:34.539
Speaker:
like, you know, I’ve looked into
the maglite phenomena, and

761
00:27:34.539 –> 00:27:37.539
Speaker:
sometimes it creates an arc that
causes the light to go on.

762
00:27:37.539 –> 00:27:41.579
Speaker:
So you can’t always trust that
it’s a ghostly reaction unless

763
00:27:41.579 –> 00:27:43.740
Speaker:
it’s well timed.

764
00:27:43.740 –> 00:27:45.059
Speaker:
Well, you mentioned you were a
skeptic.

765
00:27:45.059 –> 00:27:47.859
Speaker:
I know you were interviewed on
the Unseen Paranormal podcast

766
00:27:47.859 –> 00:27:50.660
Speaker:
last year and you mentioned that
you’re you are a skeptic when it

767
00:27:50.660 –> 00:27:52.980
Speaker:
comes to paranormal things,
which is interesting.

768
00:27:52.980 –> 00:27:56.420
Speaker:
And you kind of have to see it
to believe it yourself.

769
00:27:56.420 –> 00:27:57.579
Speaker:
And, you know, a lot of people

770
00:27:57.579 –> 00:27:58.900
Speaker:
can understand this because

771
00:27:58.900 –> 00:28:00.019
Speaker:
there’s a lot of people out

772
00:28:00.019 –> 00:28:01.500
Speaker:
there faking evidence to get

773
00:28:01.500 –> 00:28:02.779
Speaker:
attention.

774
00:28:02.779 –> 00:28:05.559
Speaker:
And, and then also, you know, at

775
00:28:05.559 –> 00:28:07.819
Speaker:
less nefarious people who don’t

776
00:28:07.819 –> 00:28:09.259
Speaker:
understand or they’re reaching

777
00:28:09.259 –> 00:28:10.140
Speaker:
for everything.

778
00:28:10.140 –> 00:28:12.420
Speaker:
Like I’ve had a lot of people on

779
00:28:12.420 –> 00:28:14.339
Speaker:
my ghost walks come and show me

780
00:28:14.339 –> 00:28:16.339
Speaker:
pictures of dust orbs or most

781
00:28:16.339 –> 00:28:17.259
Speaker:
moisture orbs.

782
00:28:17.259 –> 00:28:19.940
Speaker:
And I am not a fan of orb
pictures.

783
00:28:19.940 –> 00:28:21.500
Speaker:
Um, you can’t convince me that

784
00:28:21.500 –> 00:28:23.460
Speaker:
most of them are ghost pictures

785
00:28:23.460 –> 00:28:24.420
Speaker:
of windows.

786
00:28:24.420 –> 00:28:27.059
Speaker:
Um, it’s always a difficult one
because a lot of times you get

787
00:28:27.059 –> 00:28:31.569
Speaker:
the reflection from the trees or
the clouds And, uh, as humans,

788
00:28:31.569 –> 00:28:34.809
Speaker:
we’re programmed in to find
faces in things.

789
00:28:34.809 –> 00:28:36.750
Speaker:
So it’s easy for us to look at

790
00:28:36.750 –> 00:28:38.369
Speaker:
that reflection of a tree and

791
00:28:38.369 –> 00:28:39.730
Speaker:
say, oh, look, there’s a person

792
00:28:39.730 –> 00:28:40.609
Speaker:
there.

793
00:28:40.609 –> 00:28:44.769
Speaker:
Um, so yeah, you know, and I’ve
had people send me footage and

794
00:28:44.769 –> 00:28:48.289
Speaker:
send, send me pictures and stuff
that I can’t debunk.

795
00:28:48.289 –> 00:28:49.609
Speaker:
And I’m like, yeah, it could be

796
00:28:49.609 –> 00:28:50.650
Speaker:
something, you know, and then I

797
00:28:50.650 –> 00:28:51.970
Speaker:
also need to dig into the

798
00:28:51.970 –> 00:28:52.730
Speaker:
location.

799
00:28:52.730 –> 00:28:56.049
Speaker:
Like, have you already had a lot
of things happen here?

800
00:28:56.049 –> 00:28:57.650
Speaker:
Is this a haunted house then?

801
00:28:57.650 –> 00:29:01.609
Speaker:
Yeah, maybe that is something,
you know, they have a footage of

802
00:29:01.609 –> 00:29:04.650
Speaker:
an orb moving through a room in
a way that it wouldn’t be dust,

803
00:29:04.650 –> 00:29:06.130
Speaker:
moisture or bugs.

804
00:29:06.130 –> 00:29:07.849
Speaker:
Then I may pay attention to it.

805
00:29:07.849 –> 00:29:12.730
Speaker:
Um, but I just think that we
jump too quickly to call things

806
00:29:12.730 –> 00:29:15.650
Speaker:
paranormal when they’re not.

807
00:29:15.650 –> 00:29:18.710
Speaker:
Uh, I once took a picture, um,

808
00:29:18.710 –> 00:29:20.869
Speaker:
in a store window during my

809
00:29:20.869 –> 00:29:23.609
Speaker:
ghost walk and looked at it

810
00:29:23.609 –> 00:29:25.349
Speaker:
afterwards and was just

811
00:29:25.349 –> 00:29:26.089
Speaker:
astounded.

812
00:29:26.089 –> 00:29:30.009
Speaker:
It looked like a child running
across the room, and then I

813
00:29:30.009 –> 00:29:32.410
Speaker:
showed it to somebody else and
they were like, wow.

814
00:29:32.410 –> 00:29:33.289
Speaker:
And then we showed it to

815
00:29:33.289 –> 00:29:34.609
Speaker:
somebody else and they said,

816
00:29:34.609 –> 00:29:36.650
Speaker:
that’s your hand reflected in

817
00:29:36.650 –> 00:29:37.529
Speaker:
the glass.

818
00:29:37.529 –> 00:29:38.410
Speaker:
Oh, wow.

819
00:29:38.410 –> 00:29:41.210
Speaker:
And sure enough, when you looked
at it in that light, you’re

820
00:29:41.210 –> 00:29:42.210
Speaker:
like, oh crap.

821
00:29:42.210 –> 00:29:43.250
Speaker:
You know, I thought I really had

822
00:29:43.250 –> 00:29:44.650
Speaker:
something good, but I have

823
00:29:44.650 –> 00:29:45.490
Speaker:
gotten a lot of really

824
00:29:45.490 –> 00:29:46.769
Speaker:
interesting pictures.

825
00:29:46.769 –> 00:29:48.609
Speaker:
And, you know, especially if I

826
00:29:48.609 –> 00:29:50.690
Speaker:
take it, I know it’s not

827
00:29:50.690 –> 00:29:52.289
Speaker:
fraudulent because I wouldn’t do

828
00:29:52.289 –> 00:29:52.569
Speaker:
that.

829
00:29:52.569 –> 00:29:55.450
Speaker:
And, you know, um, I took it.

830
00:29:55.450 –> 00:29:57.769
Speaker:
So, um, I don’t know.

831
00:29:57.769 –> 00:30:01.609
Speaker:
Or if somebody I trust took it,
it really it’s hard, you know,

832
00:30:01.609 –> 00:30:03.690
Speaker:
it’s hard to believe everything.

833
00:30:03.690 –> 00:30:04.250
Speaker:
Oh, exactly.

834
00:30:04.250 –> 00:30:06.970
Speaker:
And it’s so easy to manipulate
pictures and videos.

835
00:30:06.970 –> 00:30:08.730
Speaker:
It’s like you don’t know what to
believe anymore.

836
00:30:08.730 –> 00:30:11.130
Speaker:
I mean, you could see a ghost
standing right in front of the

837
00:30:11.130 –> 00:30:13.390
Speaker:
camera, and you just don’t know
what you’re looking at because,

838
00:30:13.390 –> 00:30:16.730
Speaker:
you know, anybody can really do
that with technology.

839
00:30:16.730 –> 00:30:19.930
Speaker:
So, you know, I did get, um,
I’ve been hanging on to it for a

840
00:30:19.930 –> 00:30:22.210
Speaker:
couple of weeks now because I
just keep looking at it.

841
00:30:22.210 –> 00:30:23.609
Speaker:
But, um, somebody who attended

842
00:30:23.609 –> 00:30:25.430
Speaker:
one of my ghost walks back in

843
00:30:25.430 –> 00:30:27.890
Speaker:
June was just going through his

844
00:30:27.890 –> 00:30:29.170
Speaker:
pictures, getting ready to throw

845
00:30:29.170 –> 00:30:29.650
Speaker:
things out.

846
00:30:29.650 –> 00:30:33.130
Speaker:
He. I remember him from the tour
because he had been taking a lot

847
00:30:33.130 –> 00:30:36.529
Speaker:
of video, and he was kind of
leaving the group at times and

848
00:30:36.529 –> 00:30:37.970
Speaker:
walking towards buildings.

849
00:30:37.970 –> 00:30:41.849
Speaker:
And we were at the Fauntleroy
House, which to me is the most

850
00:30:41.849 –> 00:30:43.849
Speaker:
haunted building in town.

851
00:30:43.849 –> 00:30:49.690
Speaker:
And he was filming in through
the window and he caught, um, he

852
00:30:49.690 –> 00:30:52.890
Speaker:
caught the shape of it looked
like a child crossing, crossing

853
00:30:52.890 –> 00:30:53.849
Speaker:
into the room.

854
00:30:53.849 –> 00:30:56.009
Speaker:
And it was semi-transparent.

855
00:30:56.009 –> 00:30:57.049
Speaker:
It was white.

856
00:30:57.049 –> 00:30:59.609
Speaker:
So, you know, to me it looked
like a ghost.

857
00:30:59.609 –> 00:31:00.769
Speaker:
And I’ve broken it down.

858
00:31:00.769 –> 00:31:03.829
Speaker:
I’ve keep looking at it and
trying to determine, you know,

859
00:31:03.829 –> 00:31:05.609
Speaker:
could this be a reflection.

860
00:31:05.609 –> 00:31:07.289
Speaker:
Um I don’t know.

861
00:31:07.289 –> 00:31:11.809
Speaker:
So I’m, I do have a, um, I have
a TikTok account, which is.

862
00:31:11.809 –> 00:31:14.130
Speaker:
Joni Mehan nine thirty three.

863
00:31:14.130 –> 00:31:15.690
Speaker:
And I’m going to probably put it

864
00:31:15.690 –> 00:31:17.369
Speaker:
up as a TikTok video in the next

865
00:31:17.369 –> 00:31:18.130
Speaker:
couple days.

866
00:31:18.130 –> 00:31:20.769
Speaker:
I hate doing that because
somebody’s going to look at it

867
00:31:20.769 –> 00:31:22.410
Speaker:
and say, oh, that’s not real.

868
00:31:22.410 –> 00:31:24.630
Speaker:
You know, just like, you know, I

869
00:31:24.630 –> 00:31:26.500
Speaker:
might do, I wouldn’t say it to

870
00:31:26.500 –> 00:31:27.000
Speaker:
somebody else.

871
00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:28.200
Speaker:
I would just keep scrolling.

872
00:31:28.200 –> 00:31:30.039
Speaker:
But I know I’m going to get, you

873
00:31:30.039 –> 00:31:31.660
Speaker:
know, putting things out there

874
00:31:31.660 –> 00:31:32.980
Speaker:
because, you know, somebody’s

875
00:31:32.980 –> 00:31:34.119
Speaker:
going to say, oh, that’s not

876
00:31:34.119 –> 00:31:34.559
Speaker:
real.

877
00:31:34.559 –> 00:31:36.279
Speaker:
You’re going to take flak for
that kind of stuff.

878
00:31:36.279 –> 00:31:38.200
Speaker:
I mean, just that comes with the
game.

879
00:31:38.200 –> 00:31:39.920
Speaker:
I think it does.

880
00:31:39.920 –> 00:31:40.599
Speaker:
It does.

881
00:31:40.599 –> 00:31:41.799
Speaker:
Definitely.

882
00:31:41.799 –> 00:31:45.680
Speaker:
Do you notice that animals
detect ghosts, or have you seen

883
00:31:45.680 –> 00:31:48.759
Speaker:
that they have some sort of
special sensory, you know, where

884
00:31:48.759 –> 00:31:52.079
Speaker:
they can detect if there’s some
sort of spirit or ghost activity

885
00:31:52.079 –> 00:31:53.759
Speaker:
in a room or.

886
00:31:53.759 –> 00:31:55.000
Speaker:
Oh, absolutely.

887
00:31:55.000 –> 00:31:56.279
Speaker:
Absolutely.

888
00:31:56.279 –> 00:31:57.960
Speaker:
It’s funny because, um, my

889
00:31:57.960 –> 00:31:59.599
Speaker:
current dog Holly, I’ve had her

890
00:31:59.599 –> 00:32:01.799
Speaker:
for almost three years now and

891
00:32:01.799 –> 00:32:04.400
Speaker:
she really has never, um, shown

892
00:32:04.400 –> 00:32:06.279
Speaker:
any interest in anything going

893
00:32:06.279 –> 00:32:07.160
Speaker:
on.

894
00:32:07.160 –> 00:32:10.599
Speaker:
And neither did my dog before
her, but my cats.

895
00:32:10.599 –> 00:32:13.480
Speaker:
Oh my gosh, if there’s a ghost
in the room, they’ll all be

896
00:32:13.480 –> 00:32:16.720
Speaker:
looking at it, you know, and I
have five cats, you know, it’s,

897
00:32:16.720 –> 00:32:18.440
Speaker:
it’s a problem, right?

898
00:32:19.799 –> 00:32:23.319
Speaker:
Um, you know, I’m the crazy cat
lady in town, I guess.

899
00:32:23.319 –> 00:32:26.000
Speaker:
Um, but they will all be
staring.

900
00:32:26.000 –> 00:32:27.319
Speaker:
And it’s always in the same

901
00:32:27.319 –> 00:32:29.119
Speaker:
direction that I’m hearing the

902
00:32:29.119 –> 00:32:30.000
Speaker:
tone.

903
00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:33.319
Speaker:
So I can, you know, in the
beginning when I was first, you

904
00:32:33.319 –> 00:32:36.339
Speaker:
know, really getting to
understand my clear audience,

905
00:32:36.339 –> 00:32:41.279
Speaker:
they were excellent at helping
me learn about it because and

906
00:32:41.279 –> 00:32:42.640
Speaker:
trust it really because.

907
00:32:42.640 –> 00:32:45.759
Speaker:
But what gets really eerie is
like at night, I will often lay

908
00:32:45.759 –> 00:32:49.319
Speaker:
in bed and read and I’ll have a
cat in there with me staring

909
00:32:49.319 –> 00:32:50.599
Speaker:
right above my head.

910
00:32:50.599 –> 00:32:51.759
Speaker:
Oh my God, that is.

911
00:32:51.759 –> 00:32:52.799
Speaker:
That’s creepy.

912
00:32:52.799 –> 00:32:53.200
Speaker:
Yeah.

913
00:32:53.200 –> 00:32:53.839
Speaker:
Yeah.

914
00:32:53.839 –> 00:32:54.799
Speaker:
You know, and then I have to

915
00:32:54.799 –> 00:32:55.900
Speaker:
turn off the light and go to

916
00:32:55.900 –> 00:32:56.480
Speaker:
sleep.

917
00:32:56.480 –> 00:33:00.599
Speaker:
So, you know, it’s like I kind
of gotten used to it by now.

918
00:33:00.599 –> 00:33:02.400
Speaker:
If I know if they’re gonna.

919
00:33:02.400 –> 00:33:04.519
Speaker:
They’re wanting to harm me or
not.

920
00:33:04.519 –> 00:33:08.440
Speaker:
Um, and I haven’t been hurt yet,
so there’s that.

921
00:33:08.440 –> 00:33:10.960
Speaker:
Do you think ghosts can interact
with like physical?

922
00:33:10.960 –> 00:33:15.059
Speaker:
I mean, are they able to touch
people and glasses and throw

923
00:33:15.059 –> 00:33:16.359
Speaker:
things off the shelves?

924
00:33:16.359 –> 00:33:18.039
Speaker:
Um, how are they able, how are

925
00:33:18.039 –> 00:33:19.160
Speaker:
some able to do that and others

926
00:33:19.160 –> 00:33:20.119
Speaker:
can’t?

927
00:33:20.119 –> 00:33:22.240
Speaker:
I think it’s just their level
ability.

928
00:33:22.240 –> 00:33:26.069
Speaker:
Um, I’ve often toyed around with
the idea that some of the ones

929
00:33:26.069 –> 00:33:29.750
Speaker:
with higher level abilities able
to physically touch.

930
00:33:29.750 –> 00:33:32.549
Speaker:
Maybe they were medium psychic
mediums in real life.

931
00:33:32.549 –> 00:33:35.990
Speaker:
Maybe they had some kind of
ability going into death that

932
00:33:35.990 –> 00:33:37.430
Speaker:
they’re able to tap into.

933
00:33:37.430 –> 00:33:40.150
Speaker:
So it’s almost the opposite on
the other side.

934
00:33:40.150 –> 00:33:42.150
Speaker:
Um, I don’t know.

935
00:33:42.150 –> 00:33:45.549
Speaker:
But I do know that there’s a lot
of them that I feel and hear and

936
00:33:45.549 –> 00:33:47.230
Speaker:
they never do one thing.

937
00:33:47.230 –> 00:33:50.950
Speaker:
And there’s others, I’ve had
them sit on the bed beside me.

938
00:33:50.950 –> 00:33:54.829
Speaker:
Um, and that’ll, that’ll get you
up pretty quickly.

939
00:33:54.829 –> 00:33:57.349
Speaker:
You know, when you live alone
and you feel somebody sit on the

940
00:33:57.349 –> 00:33:59.349
Speaker:
side of your bed in the middle
of the night, you know.

941
00:33:59.349 –> 00:33:59.829
Speaker:
No kidding.

942
00:33:59.829 –> 00:34:01.390
Speaker:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

943
00:34:01.390 –> 00:34:03.029
Speaker:
I’ve had that happen a lot of
times.

944
00:34:03.029 –> 00:34:04.990
Speaker:
So it’s not fun.

945
00:34:04.990 –> 00:34:06.829
Speaker:
Do you think there are people

946
00:34:06.829 –> 00:34:09.250
Speaker:
who are more likely to become

947
00:34:09.250 –> 00:34:11.090
Speaker:
ghosts or to stick around in the

948
00:34:11.090 –> 00:34:12.269
Speaker:
afterlife?

949
00:34:12.269 –> 00:34:13.989
Speaker:
Um. Definitely suicides.

950
00:34:13.989 –> 00:34:17.789
Speaker:
I feel like almost all suicides
stay earthbound because I’ve

951
00:34:17.789 –> 00:34:19.550
Speaker:
crossed over a number of them.

952
00:34:19.550 –> 00:34:23.050
Speaker:
Um, because, you know, they’re
taught that, uh, suicide is a

953
00:34:23.050 –> 00:34:25.909
Speaker:
mortal sin and that they go
anywhere, they’re going to hell.

954
00:34:25.909 –> 00:34:28.510
Speaker:
And I personally don’t believe
in hell.

955
00:34:28.510 –> 00:34:31.010
Speaker:
I believe that everybody goes to

956
00:34:31.010 –> 00:34:32.429
Speaker:
heaven, but maybe not the

957
00:34:32.429 –> 00:34:33.949
Speaker:
version that most people think

958
00:34:33.949 –> 00:34:34.190
Speaker:
of.

959
00:34:34.190 –> 00:34:35.610
Speaker:
I feel like there’s, you know,

960
00:34:35.610 –> 00:34:37.650
Speaker:
treatment and maybe hospitals

961
00:34:37.650 –> 00:34:39.329
Speaker:
or, you know, some sort of

962
00:34:39.329 –> 00:34:40.590
Speaker:
healing there.

963
00:34:40.590 –> 00:34:42.090
Speaker:
Um, when they do that, that it’s

964
00:34:42.090 –> 00:34:44.070
Speaker:
a human condition and they can’t

965
00:34:44.070 –> 00:34:45.630
Speaker:
be faulted for something that

966
00:34:45.630 –> 00:34:46.869
Speaker:
happened because every single

967
00:34:46.869 –> 00:34:48.710
Speaker:
one of them I run into has

968
00:34:48.710 –> 00:34:51.510
Speaker:
regretted, uh, the actual act of

969
00:34:51.510 –> 00:34:52.269
Speaker:
suicide.

970
00:34:52.269 –> 00:34:55.110
Speaker:
So, you know, and I had first
hand experience.

971
00:34:55.110 –> 00:34:56.750
Speaker:
My fourteen year old niece

972
00:34:56.750 –> 00:34:58.590
Speaker:
committed suicide back years

973
00:34:58.590 –> 00:34:59.309
Speaker:
ago.

974
00:34:59.309 –> 00:35:01.989
Speaker:
When I went over to the house,
she was still very much there.

975
00:35:01.989 –> 00:35:05.869
Speaker:
So, um, I helped cross her over.

976
00:35:05.869 –> 00:35:10.150
Speaker:
So yeah, that was that was a
hard one.

977
00:35:10.150 –> 00:35:12.230
Speaker:
That was a hard one, I can
imagine.

978
00:35:12.230 –> 00:35:14.630
Speaker:
So you’re able to talk to, I
mean, are you able to have

979
00:35:14.630 –> 00:35:20.630
Speaker:
conversations, um, with these
people or ghosts a little bit?

980
00:35:20.630 –> 00:35:25.789
Speaker:
Um, you No, I haven’t really, I
haven’t really expanded my

981
00:35:25.789 –> 00:35:28.909
Speaker:
abilities because there’s a part
of me that’s fearful that, look

982
00:35:28.909 –> 00:35:32.510
Speaker:
what I’m getting right now with
what I do, what I have, um, if I

983
00:35:32.510 –> 00:35:35.909
Speaker:
get really good, it may be
really bad, but yes, I will hear

984
00:35:35.909 –> 00:35:36.789
Speaker:
back and forth.

985
00:35:36.789 –> 00:35:38.429
Speaker:
I can have conversations.

986
00:35:38.429 –> 00:35:40.869
Speaker:
I have found that when I’m doing

987
00:35:40.869 –> 00:35:43.349
Speaker:
a walkthrough of a house, um, I

988
00:35:43.349 –> 00:35:45.789
Speaker:
will bring pen and paper and I

989
00:35:45.789 –> 00:35:48.389
Speaker:
can write down, um, it’s almost

990
00:35:48.389 –> 00:35:50.150
Speaker:
automatic writing where I start

991
00:35:50.150 –> 00:35:51.750
Speaker:
getting more information and I

992
00:35:51.750 –> 00:35:53.070
Speaker:
can get a lot more information

993
00:35:53.070 –> 00:35:54.510
Speaker:
that way than I can just sitting

994
00:35:54.510 –> 00:35:55.309
Speaker:
there.

995
00:35:55.309 –> 00:35:57.469
Speaker:
But um, yeah, I’ll hear back and
forth.

996
00:35:57.469 –> 00:36:01.630
Speaker:
And um, I had a friend, um, who
was actually in one of my books,

997
00:36:01.630 –> 00:36:05.610
Speaker:
bones in the basement pass away
probably about five years ago,

998
00:36:05.610 –> 00:36:07.510
Speaker:
maybe six years ago.

999
00:36:07.510 –> 00:36:13.349
Speaker:
He was, um, I didn’t know he had
died and I was making my bed and

1000
00:36:13.349 –> 00:36:15.590
Speaker:
all of a sudden I hear this
voice in my head, well, you

1001
00:36:15.590 –> 00:36:17.150
Speaker:
missed a spot or something.

1002
00:36:17.150 –> 00:36:20.550
Speaker:
You know, you’re not doing a
very good job there, are you?

1003
00:36:20.550 –> 00:36:26.099
Speaker:
And I’m like, I was like, Bill,
what are you doing here?

1004
00:36:26.099 –> 00:36:29.780
Speaker:
Like, I knew who it was by, you
know, who, how he acted.

1005
00:36:29.780 –> 00:36:32.500
Speaker:
And I said, I didn’t know you
were dead.

1006
00:36:32.500 –> 00:36:34.940
Speaker:
And he goes, oh yeah, it’s great
because I can walk through walls

1007
00:36:34.940 –> 00:36:36.260
Speaker:
and do all that ghost shit.

1008
00:36:36.260 –> 00:36:37.739
Speaker:
And it was like, and he wasn’t
there.

1009
00:36:37.739 –> 00:36:39.340
Speaker:
He was just jubilant because he

1010
00:36:39.340 –> 00:36:40.940
Speaker:
had had a heart condition for

1011
00:36:40.940 –> 00:36:42.539
Speaker:
years and years, and he was a

1012
00:36:42.539 –> 00:36:43.860
Speaker:
psychic medium.

1013
00:36:43.860 –> 00:36:45.179
Speaker:
He was really good, too.

1014
00:36:45.179 –> 00:36:47.539
Speaker:
He would never really call
himself a psychic medium, but he

1015
00:36:47.539 –> 00:36:51.380
Speaker:
picked up on so much stuff and,
um, and then he was gone, you

1016
00:36:51.380 –> 00:36:53.500
Speaker:
know, because he had other
places to be.

1017
00:36:53.500 –> 00:36:57.260
Speaker:
And, uh, so that was just
fascinating to me.

1018
00:36:57.260 –> 00:36:57.460
Speaker:
Wow.

1019
00:36:57.460 –> 00:37:00.059
Speaker:
So he actually reported because
you don’t hear that very often

1020
00:37:00.059 –> 00:37:02.860
Speaker:
where you get to hear what
actually is on the other side.

1021
00:37:02.860 –> 00:37:05.380
Speaker:
So he says, oh, I can walk
through walls and stuff.

1022
00:37:05.380 –> 00:37:07.019
Speaker:
So, I mean, do any of them ever

1023
00:37:07.019 –> 00:37:08.460
Speaker:
tell you what the afterlife is

1024
00:37:08.460 –> 00:37:08.699
Speaker:
like?

1025
00:37:08.699 –> 00:37:10.219
Speaker:
Like, what’s it like over there?

1026
00:37:10.219 –> 00:37:12.980
Speaker:
Um, I have asked, um, I’ve

1027
00:37:12.980 –> 00:37:14.019
Speaker:
definitely asked every

1028
00:37:14.019 –> 00:37:15.760
Speaker:
investigation because I want to

1029
00:37:15.760 –> 00:37:16.340
Speaker:
know.

1030
00:37:16.340 –> 00:37:17.300
Speaker:
I don’t ask him.

1031
00:37:17.300 –> 00:37:18.539
Speaker:
I used to ask him what heaven

1032
00:37:18.539 –> 00:37:20.059
Speaker:
looks like, but I realized that

1033
00:37:20.059 –> 00:37:20.539
Speaker:
they’re ghosts.

1034
00:37:20.539 –> 00:37:21.099
Speaker:
They’re earthbound.

1035
00:37:21.099 –> 00:37:22.420
Speaker:
They’ve never been to heaven, so

1036
00:37:22.420 –> 00:37:23.340
Speaker:
they don’t know what heaven

1037
00:37:23.340 –> 00:37:23.860
Speaker:
looks like.

1038
00:37:23.860 –> 00:37:25.780
Speaker:
But I do a lot of things.

1039
00:37:25.780 –> 00:37:27.679
Speaker:
Like, I’ll ask them, um, I want

1040
00:37:27.679 –> 00:37:30.000
Speaker:
to know things like, can you see

1041
00:37:30.000 –> 00:37:30.579
Speaker:
me?

1042
00:37:30.579 –> 00:37:33.619
Speaker:
Like I’ll put I always put three
fingers up and I’ll say, how

1043
00:37:33.619 –> 00:37:36.500
Speaker:
many fingers, how many fingers
am I holding up?

1044
00:37:36.500 –> 00:37:38.820
Speaker:
And I have gotten that answered
before.

1045
00:37:38.820 –> 00:37:41.579
Speaker:
So then I can validate the fact
that they can actually

1046
00:37:41.579 –> 00:37:42.539
Speaker:
physically see us.

1047
00:37:42.539 –> 00:37:46.420
Speaker:
And then I’ll ask them questions
like, what town are we in?

1048
00:37:46.420 –> 00:37:48.059
Speaker:
Or what town are you from?

1049
00:37:48.059 –> 00:37:49.460
Speaker:
And it’s really funny because we

1050
00:37:49.460 –> 00:37:51.880
Speaker:
were doing an investigation at

1051
00:37:51.880 –> 00:37:53.699
Speaker:
the Culbertson Mansion and New

1052
00:37:53.699 –> 00:37:56.820
Speaker:
Albany, Indiana, and, um, it was

1053
00:37:56.820 –> 00:37:58.639
Speaker:
part of the Indiana State Museum

1054
00:37:58.639 –> 00:38:00.300
Speaker:
historical sites and they

1055
00:38:00.300 –> 00:38:01.500
Speaker:
allowed us to do, I think we did

1056
00:38:01.500 –> 00:38:02.900
Speaker:
three or four public events

1057
00:38:02.900 –> 00:38:03.820
Speaker:
there.

1058
00:38:03.820 –> 00:38:06.719
Speaker:
During one of the
investigations, we said, what

1059
00:38:06.719 –> 00:38:08.219
Speaker:
town are you from?

1060
00:38:08.219 –> 00:38:10.579
Speaker:
And one of the ghosts said very

1061
00:38:10.579 –> 00:38:12.340
Speaker:
clearly across the spirit box,

1062
00:38:12.340 –> 00:38:14.179
Speaker:
new Harmony.

1063
00:38:14.179 –> 00:38:18.099
Speaker:
So we basically brought our own
ghost to the ghost.

1064
00:38:18.099 –> 00:38:20.820
Speaker:
But so but I’m, you know, and

1065
00:38:20.820 –> 00:38:23.920
Speaker:
I’ll say things like, um, what,

1066
00:38:23.920 –> 00:38:25.900
Speaker:
who was president when you were

1067
00:38:25.900 –> 00:38:26.659
Speaker:
here or.

1068
00:38:26.659 –> 00:38:29.099
Speaker:
Yeah, we, you know, we really,

1069
00:38:29.099 –> 00:38:30.219
Speaker:
every once in a while get a

1070
00:38:30.219 –> 00:38:32.219
Speaker:
little bit of an answer, but I

1071
00:38:32.219 –> 00:38:33.739
Speaker:
just want to validate that they

1072
00:38:33.739 –> 00:38:36.019
Speaker:
are actually there, uh, and not

1073
00:38:36.019 –> 00:38:36.500
Speaker:
pulled in.

1074
00:38:36.500 –> 00:38:39.739
Speaker:
Sometimes I wonder about the
spirit box that if it’s just

1075
00:38:39.739 –> 00:38:43.300
Speaker:
basically a ghost radio and
we’re talking to maybe, you

1076
00:38:43.300 –> 00:38:48.380
Speaker:
know, ghosts from Minnesota,
ghosts from the astral plane or

1077
00:38:48.380 –> 00:38:51.420
Speaker:
like a ham radio of ghost boxes,
you just don’t know who.

1078
00:38:51.420 –> 00:38:51.940
Speaker:
Yeah.

1079
00:38:51.940 –> 00:38:53.179
Speaker:
We’re always experimenting and

1080
00:38:53.179 –> 00:38:55.199
Speaker:
trying to ask questions, but,

1081
00:38:55.199 –> 00:38:57.559
Speaker:
um, they don’t give us a lot in

1082
00:38:57.559 –> 00:38:58.019
Speaker:
that aspect.

1083
00:38:58.019 –> 00:38:59.539
Speaker:
I feel like there’s probably

1084
00:38:59.539 –> 00:39:01.260
Speaker:
rules that they’re not allowed

1085
00:39:01.260 –> 00:39:02.019
Speaker:
to break.

1086
00:39:02.019 –> 00:39:04.539
Speaker:
Um, and I, I have asked, are
there rules?

1087
00:39:04.539 –> 00:39:06.300
Speaker:
And I’ve gotten that answered a
couple times.

1088
00:39:06.300 –> 00:39:06.980
Speaker:
Yes.

1089
00:39:06.980 –> 00:39:11.840
Speaker:
Um, but it’s, you know, funny
because they never always answer

1090
00:39:11.840 –> 00:39:13.340
Speaker:
everything I want to know.

1091
00:39:13.340 –> 00:39:15.820
Speaker:
Like they’ll give us some kind
of ambiguous response.

1092
00:39:15.820 –> 00:39:18.369
Speaker:
It doesn’t in what we really
wanted.

1093
00:39:18.369 –> 00:39:20.809
Speaker:
They’re not cooperative.

1094
00:39:20.809 –> 00:39:23.849
Speaker:
You know, there’s one situation
we have had going.

1095
00:39:23.849 –> 00:39:25.250
Speaker:
We have two ghost walks.

1096
00:39:25.250 –> 00:39:25.650
Speaker:
Now.

1097
00:39:25.650 –> 00:39:27.170
Speaker:
The town is so haunted that

1098
00:39:27.170 –> 00:39:29.250
Speaker:
we’re able to set up two

1099
00:39:29.250 –> 00:39:30.469
Speaker:
completely different ghost

1100
00:39:30.469 –> 00:39:30.849
Speaker:
walks.

1101
00:39:30.849 –> 00:39:31.530
Speaker:
Oh, wow.

1102
00:39:31.530 –> 00:39:34.530
Speaker:
And one of them, one of them was
called the Dark Side.

1103
00:39:34.530 –> 00:39:35.530
Speaker:
And we go, the reason it’s

1104
00:39:35.530 –> 00:39:36.769
Speaker:
called the dark Side is because

1105
00:39:36.769 –> 00:39:38.369
Speaker:
we go on the darker side of town

1106
00:39:38.369 –> 00:39:39.170
Speaker:
where there aren’t a lot of

1107
00:39:39.170 –> 00:39:40.989
Speaker:
street lights, so it’s a little

1108
00:39:40.989 –> 00:39:41.849
Speaker:
eerier.

1109
00:39:41.849 –> 00:39:44.289
Speaker:
Um, but there’s one location

1110
00:39:44.289 –> 00:39:46.449
Speaker:
where there’s a little girl and

1111
00:39:46.449 –> 00:39:49.170
Speaker:
we actually experienced her when

1112
00:39:49.170 –> 00:39:50.929
Speaker:
we were doing an investigation

1113
00:39:50.929 –> 00:39:51.449
Speaker:
there.

1114
00:39:51.449 –> 00:39:53.090
Speaker:
They it’s called the Grand
Gothic.

1115
00:39:53.090 –> 00:39:55.369
Speaker:
It’s connected to the Red
geranium restaurant.

1116
00:39:55.369 –> 00:39:57.690
Speaker:
It’s where their wedding events
are.

1117
00:39:57.690 –> 00:40:00.090
Speaker:
And they had been having things
happen.

1118
00:40:00.090 –> 00:40:02.130
Speaker:
And they asked us to come in and
investigate.

1119
00:40:02.130 –> 00:40:03.250
Speaker:
And we did.

1120
00:40:03.250 –> 00:40:07.050
Speaker:
And during the night we had our
SLS camera going and we kept

1121
00:40:07.050 –> 00:40:11.010
Speaker:
picking up three voices a man, a
woman and a little girl, and we

1122
00:40:11.010 –> 00:40:13.250
Speaker:
were pretty sure we knew who the
man and the woman were.

1123
00:40:13.250 –> 00:40:15.530
Speaker:
But the little girl was anomaly.

1124
00:40:15.530 –> 00:40:16.570
Speaker:
We had no idea.

1125
00:40:16.570 –> 00:40:20.969
Speaker:
And then all of a sudden we saw
a little a small child, a small

1126
00:40:20.969 –> 00:40:24.449
Speaker:
stick figure pop up in between
us on the screen.

1127
00:40:24.449 –> 00:40:26.210
Speaker:
And she was reactive.

1128
00:40:26.210 –> 00:40:28.610
Speaker:
Uh, we were going to reach out
and touch my hand.

1129
00:40:28.610 –> 00:40:30.329
Speaker:
And she did wave at us.

1130
00:40:30.329 –> 00:40:30.690
Speaker:
She did.

1131
00:40:30.690 –> 00:40:32.489
Speaker:
And then she disappeared.

1132
00:40:32.489 –> 00:40:35.409
Speaker:
And we were trying to find out

1133
00:40:35.409 –> 00:40:36.610
Speaker:
how old she was and just

1134
00:40:36.610 –> 00:40:37.530
Speaker:
different information.

1135
00:40:37.530 –> 00:40:41.130
Speaker:
And all of a sudden we heard
like paper crinkling behind us,

1136
00:40:41.130 –> 00:40:43.730
Speaker:
and we heard a wow.

1137
00:40:43.730 –> 00:40:45.289
Speaker:
And it was like a little child.

1138
00:40:45.289 –> 00:40:46.809
Speaker:
It wasn’t across any of the
equipment.

1139
00:40:46.809 –> 00:40:47.849
Speaker:
It was in real life.

1140
00:40:47.849 –> 00:40:49.409
Speaker:
It was a disembodied voice.

1141
00:40:49.409 –> 00:40:51.010
Speaker:
It was like a little child, like

1142
00:40:51.010 –> 00:40:52.449
Speaker:
a little child trying to scare

1143
00:40:52.449 –> 00:40:53.610
Speaker:
us.

1144
00:40:53.610 –> 00:40:56.889
Speaker:
And we understood about ten
o’clock at night, uh, we

1145
00:40:56.889 –> 00:41:01.090
Speaker:
immediately one one investigator
ran outside the front door.

1146
00:41:01.090 –> 00:41:04.969
Speaker:
I ran into the restaurant
through the side door, and there

1147
00:41:04.969 –> 00:41:05.929
Speaker:
was nobody there.

1148
00:41:05.929 –> 00:41:08.170
Speaker:
And I ran into, um, one of the

1149
00:41:08.170 –> 00:41:10.130
Speaker:
longtime servers, David Meyer,

1150
00:41:10.130 –> 00:41:11.650
Speaker:
who gave me a lot of stories for

1151
00:41:11.650 –> 00:41:13.369
Speaker:
my book.

1152
00:41:13.369 –> 00:41:14.610
Speaker:
And he said, we haven’t had any

1153
00:41:14.610 –> 00:41:15.880
Speaker:
children in here all night, he

1154
00:41:15.880 –> 00:41:16.079
Speaker:
said.

1155
00:41:16.079 –> 00:41:17.719
Speaker:
However, it’s interesting that

1156
00:41:17.719 –> 00:41:20.119
Speaker:
you say that because last week a

1157
00:41:20.119 –> 00:41:21.800
Speaker:
woman, a couple, came out of the

1158
00:41:21.800 –> 00:41:23.320
Speaker:
restaurant and saw a little girl

1159
00:41:23.320 –> 00:41:25.159
Speaker:
in the upstairs window of the

1160
00:41:25.159 –> 00:41:26.440
Speaker:
Green Gothic.

1161
00:41:26.440 –> 00:41:31.320
Speaker:
And, um, so but as we do the
ghost walk, that’s one of our

1162
00:41:31.320 –> 00:41:35.440
Speaker:
first places and we end up in
Church Park, which is where the

1163
00:41:35.440 –> 00:41:37.480
Speaker:
old Harmonist church used to be.

1164
00:41:37.480 –> 00:41:39.039
Speaker:
It’s now beautiful park with a

1165
00:41:39.039 –> 00:41:41.039
Speaker:
fountain and there’s a lot of

1166
00:41:41.039 –> 00:41:41.559
Speaker:
seating there.

1167
00:41:41.559 –> 00:41:44.800
Speaker:
So we will always sit there and
we’ll do a dowsing rod session

1168
00:41:44.800 –> 00:41:47.800
Speaker:
with the with the guests and let
them use the dowsing rods.

1169
00:41:47.800 –> 00:41:49.559
Speaker:
And everybody really loves it.

1170
00:41:49.559 –> 00:41:52.340
Speaker:
And it’s funny because we kept
picking up on a little girl,

1171
00:41:52.340 –> 00:41:56.119
Speaker:
like a little girl kept coming
through on the dowsing rods and,

1172
00:41:56.119 –> 00:41:57.480
Speaker:
uh, and a woman and a man.

1173
00:41:57.480 –> 00:42:00.119
Speaker:
And, um, we would never tell

1174
00:42:00.119 –> 00:42:02.159
Speaker:
them what the other group had

1175
00:42:02.159 –> 00:42:03.280
Speaker:
found.

1176
00:42:03.280 –> 00:42:05.159
Speaker:
Uh, we just let them start from

1177
00:42:05.159 –> 00:42:06.280
Speaker:
scratch and just see what

1178
00:42:06.280 –> 00:42:07.800
Speaker:
happened and see if they got the

1179
00:42:07.800 –> 00:42:08.199
Speaker:
same thing.

1180
00:42:08.199 –> 00:42:09.239
Speaker:
And they always did.

1181
00:42:09.239 –> 00:42:13.380
Speaker:
And what the story we got was
that the man was from the Owen

1182
00:42:13.380 –> 00:42:17.480
Speaker:
period or later, and the woman
was from the Harmonist period.

1183
00:42:17.480 –> 00:42:21.000
Speaker:
And the little girl was like,
even later than that, or, you

1184
00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:23.840
Speaker:
know, later, like, you know,
later eighteen hundreds.

1185
00:42:23.840 –> 00:42:25.559
Speaker:
And so none of them knew each
other.

1186
00:42:25.559 –> 00:42:27.559
Speaker:
They weren’t alive at the same
time.

1187
00:42:27.559 –> 00:42:31.960
Speaker:
But the woman took care of the
little girl and we had a psychic

1188
00:42:31.960 –> 00:42:35.199
Speaker:
medium come on, the ghost walk,
who was providing us with all

1189
00:42:35.199 –> 00:42:37.280
Speaker:
kinds of crazy information.

1190
00:42:37.280 –> 00:42:41.079
Speaker:
And he said, you know who this
little girl is, right?

1191
00:42:41.079 –> 00:42:42.159
Speaker:
He said, I’m surprised you guys

1192
00:42:42.159 –> 00:42:43.159
Speaker:
haven’t put two and two

1193
00:42:43.159 –> 00:42:43.639
Speaker:
together.

1194
00:42:43.639 –> 00:42:45.480
Speaker:
She’s the little girl from the
Grand Gothic.

1195
00:42:45.480 –> 00:42:47.639
Speaker:
She follows your ghost walks.

1196
00:42:47.639 –> 00:42:49.159
Speaker:
Oh my gosh.

1197
00:42:49.159 –> 00:42:49.920
Speaker:
Wow.

1198
00:42:49.920 –> 00:42:50.559
Speaker:
Yeah.

1199
00:42:50.559 –> 00:42:54.199
Speaker:
So we, you know, we learned that
towards the end of the season.

1200
00:42:54.199 –> 00:42:56.920
Speaker:
So we didn’t get a chance to
really fully explore it.

1201
00:42:56.920 –> 00:42:59.280
Speaker:
But um, you know, they’re not
stuck in place.

1202
00:42:59.280 –> 00:43:00.719
Speaker:
They can go where they want to
go.

1203
00:43:00.719 –> 00:43:04.639
Speaker:
And, uh, she’s been, and she’s
mischievous, which, you know,

1204
00:43:04.639 –> 00:43:06.320
Speaker:
well, she sounds fun.

1205
00:43:06.320 –> 00:43:06.719
Speaker:
Yeah.

1206
00:43:06.719 –> 00:43:08.039
Speaker:
She does, she is fun.

1207
00:43:08.039 –> 00:43:08.880
Speaker:
She is fun.

1208
00:43:08.880 –> 00:43:10.480
Speaker:
So I’m hoping we have more

1209
00:43:10.480 –> 00:43:11.960
Speaker:
experiences with her as time

1210
00:43:11.960 –> 00:43:12.400
Speaker:
goes on.

1211
00:43:12.400 –> 00:43:14.960
Speaker:
We’ve definitely got a lot to
learn.

1212
00:43:14.960 –> 00:43:17.960
Speaker:
If someone wanted to get a hold
of you and or buy your books,

1213
00:43:17.960 –> 00:43:19.679
Speaker:
where would they go?

1214
00:43:19.679 –> 00:43:22.840
Speaker:
Um, well, all my books are
available on Amazon.

1215
00:43:22.840 –> 00:43:26.960
Speaker:
Um, I have twenty four of them
so they can find them there.

1216
00:43:26.960 –> 00:43:28.380
Speaker:
Uh, if they’re looking for

1217
00:43:28.380 –> 00:43:29.679
Speaker:
haunted Posey County, that’s

1218
00:43:29.679 –> 00:43:31.000
Speaker:
available at Barnes and Noble in

1219
00:43:31.000 –> 00:43:31.840
Speaker:
Evansville.

1220
00:43:31.840 –> 00:43:33.880
Speaker:
Uh, they can actually get any of
my books.

1221
00:43:33.880 –> 00:43:36.840
Speaker:
So if you have a book you’re
looking for, you can go there

1222
00:43:36.840 –> 00:43:38.440
Speaker:
and ask them to order it.

1223
00:43:38.440 –> 00:43:41.840
Speaker:
Uh, here in new Harmony, it’s
sold in multiple locations.

1224
00:43:41.840 –> 00:43:43.360
Speaker:
Um, most of my books are

1225
00:43:43.360 –> 00:43:45.360
Speaker:
available at Antique Emporium,

1226
00:43:45.360 –> 00:43:47.360
Speaker:
which is on Church Street, and

1227
00:43:47.360 –> 00:43:49.460
Speaker:
it’s also in haunted new

1228
00:43:49.460 –> 00:43:49.800
Speaker:
Harmony.

1229
00:43:49.800 –> 00:43:52.639
Speaker:
It’s a haunted building, so two
for one.

1230
00:43:52.639 –> 00:43:56.159
Speaker:
Um, but yeah, there’s sold a lot
of little places locally, but

1231
00:43:56.159 –> 00:43:57.639
Speaker:
Amazon’s the best way to get it.

1232
00:43:57.639 –> 00:43:58.880
Speaker:
If you’re looking for a signed

1233
00:43:58.880 –> 00:44:00.639
Speaker:
author copy, you can find me on

1234
00:44:00.639 –> 00:44:01.920
Speaker:
Facebook.

1235
00:44:01.920 –> 00:44:04.079
Speaker:
Uh, or you know, you can email
me.

1236
00:44:04.079 –> 00:44:06.000
Speaker:
My email is on my website.

1237
00:44:06.000 –> 00:44:10.159
Speaker:
So I do give people the contact
me that way and I do festivals.

1238
00:44:10.159 –> 00:44:12.909
Speaker:
So I do, you know, Koontz Fest
in September.

1239
00:44:12.909 –> 00:44:14.710
Speaker:
I do River Days in Mount Vernon.

1240
00:44:14.710 –> 00:44:15.949
Speaker:
So awesome.

1241
00:44:15.949 –> 00:44:18.269
Speaker:
And I will have these links down
in the show notes.

1242
00:44:18.269 –> 00:44:20.750
Speaker:
So if anyone wants to find
those, they can go to River city

1243
00:44:20.750 –> 00:44:24.750
Speaker:
mystery dot com slash eight and
all of that will be there.

1244
00:44:24.750 –> 00:44:25.269
Speaker:
Awesome.

1245
00:44:25.269 –> 00:44:27.190
Speaker:
I appreciate that, and I just

1246
00:44:27.190 –> 00:44:28.150
Speaker:
want to thank you for taking the

1247
00:44:28.150 –> 00:44:29.630
Speaker:
time out of your day to, to talk

1248
00:44:29.630 –> 00:44:29.869
Speaker:
to me.

1249
00:44:29.869 –> 00:44:31.590
Speaker:
I really appreciate it.

1250
00:44:31.590 –> 00:44:32.789
Speaker:
Well, thanks for inviting me.

1251
00:44:32.789 –> 00:44:34.190
Speaker:
It’s nice to know that there’s

1252
00:44:34.190 –> 00:44:35.710
Speaker:
somebody so close that’s into

1253
00:44:35.710 –> 00:44:36.389
Speaker:
this stuff.

1254
00:44:36.389 –> 00:44:38.949
Speaker:
So. Well, I’m sure we’ll cross
paths again.

1255
00:44:46.989 –> 00:44:49.610
Speaker:
If you’re interested in checking
out any of Joni’s books,

1256
00:44:49.610 –> 00:44:52.269
Speaker:
learning about upcoming ghost
walks or paranormal

1257
00:44:52.269 –> 00:44:56.130
Speaker:
investigations, you can check
out her website at Joni dot com,

1258
00:44:56.130 –> 00:44:58.710
Speaker:
and I will have all the links in
the show notes at RiverCity

1259
00:44:58.710 –> 00:45:01.630
Speaker:
Mystery.com/8.

1260
00:45:01.630 –> 00:45:03.469
Speaker:
And that brings us episode to a
close.

1261
00:45:03.469 –> 00:45:04.750
Speaker:
Thanks for joining me.

1262
00:45:04.750 –> 00:45:06.670
Speaker:
Until next time, take care.