Interview with a Forest Witch

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Years ago, we would make like a
pilgrimage to a sacred tree, and

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we would do our ritual there
right at that space.

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And that whole space has this
like huge energy about it.

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And then slowly people are like,
oh, I love this energy.

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I just want to take this little
bit of bark with me so I can

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feel this at home.

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And that’s the exact opposite of
what animism calls us to do.

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Animism calls us, you go and you

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experience that while you’re

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there, but it’s not yours to

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possess.

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Now you’ve taken it away from
its part.

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You’ve taken it away from that.

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So now it’s just become a small
part where it was a whole.

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And so I try to do whatever I

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can in my practice to replicate

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that and, and repeat that every

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day that I’m consciously

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thinking about that because I

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feel it’s very important, you

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know, I mean, if you’ve ever

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been in the woods, there is a

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feeling that you get there that

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you can never bring home with

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you.

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You’re listening to River City

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Mystery, a podcast that delves

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into the Evansville and

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afraid to jump down the rabbit

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hole to investigate reports of

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local hauntings, sightings of

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UAPs and cryptids, among other

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paranormal phenomena.

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With your host law office worker
by day.

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Insomniac researcher of the
unknown by night Matt Deig.

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Welcome to episode eighteen.

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My interview with Evansville’s
Forest, which in all honesty, I

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didn’t even know that a forest,
which was a thing until Crystal

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Foltz reached out to me recently
and said, hey, I’m a witch and

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I’d like to talk to you.

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So I’ve been really excited to

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talk to Crystal ever since I got

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that email.

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And not only is she a witch, but
she has.

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She brings a lot of other things

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to this conversation that I

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think you’re gonna find

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interesting.

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She’s been a practicing witch

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since the nineteen nineties, and

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her practice is steeped in

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animism and Kentucky folklore

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and superstition.

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And she’s a co-chair of Three
Corners Pagan Circle, which they

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serve witches in the Illinois,
Indiana and Kentucky area.

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But not only does she do those

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sorts of things that are

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witchcraft related, she’s also

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involved with she’s worked with

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several paranormal investigation

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teams.

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She’s the co-chair of the

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Southern Indiana Paranormal

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Investigators.

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So in this conversation, we talk

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about several of those

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investigations.

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And that’s pretty fascinating.

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She also hasn’t been involved in
as a psychic consultant in

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several search and rescues.

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So that’s really interesting to
hear about some of those

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experiences as well.

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Krystal kind of, um, she brings

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a back porch approach to

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paranormal encounters.

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She’s not big into the woo woo
stuff.

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Likes to bring in common sense.

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And I think you’re going to get
a sense of that.

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You probably from the intro, you
probably got that sense that

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she’s not somebody you might
have imagined a, which being

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she’s very down to earth.

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And I think you’re going to
enjoy this interview.

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So this is my interview with

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Crystal Foltz Evansville’s

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forest, which.

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All right.

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Ever since you reached out to
me, I’ve been really excited to

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talk to you.

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I’ve never normally, if I say,
you know this, I get slapped in

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the face, but I’m actually.

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You’re an actual witch, right?

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Like, what does it mean to be a
witch?

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It’s very, very broad.

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So I started practicing back in
the early nineties.

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And back then, most of the

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information that we found, um,

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random books from like Gerald

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Gardner and Raymond Buckland,

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Scott Cunningham, they were like

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the big writers back then, but

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it still, you didn’t find like

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huge sections in bookstores with

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these books.

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A lot of times you had to, to

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ask for them or they would

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fight.

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You could find them in the back
of like, mail order catalogs,

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like old comic books, right?

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Things like that.

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Right.

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So it really wasn’t something
that you saw, um, a lot that you

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had access to that information.

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You know, you got to think like
in the nineties, that’s when the

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craft came out.

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So it was really starting to

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become, um, more popular and

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mainstream.

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But even then in your personal
life, a lot of people had to

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stay hidden due to work, due to,
um, if you were divorced, going

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through a divorce, your husband
could have used that against you

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in the divorce proceedings.

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And like, even now, there’s
still people who are not safe in

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their, in their workplace.

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So for a witch being a witch,
that means a lot of different

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things to a lot of people
because not everyone can

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practice the same way.

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You know, it really just depends
on what their situation is.

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Yeah.

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Now, I went to your Now you’re
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the Three Corners pagan circle.

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And I was looking into your bio
there.

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And you’re known as the Forest
Witch, which, you know, has its

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own little meanings.

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And then there’s the shamanic

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witch and a hearth witch and the

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heathen witch.

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So what exactly does it mean to
be the forest witch?

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What does that how does that
differentiate you from any other

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type of witch?

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Well, again, witchcraft is it’s

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such a huge space to practice

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inside of.

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And back in the early days, the

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only way you could really get

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into witchcraft is if you knew

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someone else who was into

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witchcraft.

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Like people would practice a
little bit on their own.

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But as for like organized
witchcraft, you really had to

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know someone who was in.

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And part of that was Wicca when

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it first became popular over

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here.

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Um, like in the sixties.

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Uh, Raymond Buckland.

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He brought it over after
studying under Gerald Gardner.

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And Wicca is more of a religion.

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It has tenets.

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It has specifics in the rituals.

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And for most people who are

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coming out of Abrahamic religion

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or, you know, like the

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Protestant church, the Catholic

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Church, they like coming into a

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space that still feels like it

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has a ritual and it has a sacred

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space.

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So for those people just coming
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Wicca makes a lot of sense.

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They can still feel kind of

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comfortable inside those

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boundaries.

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Okay.

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The witchcraft that I grew up
with was not Wicca.

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It was very much steeped in
folklore and superstition.

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And you didn’t really call
yourself a witch either.

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That wasn’t something that

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anyone would have wanted to be

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called.

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Well, that’s interesting, you
know, you see.

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Oh, yeah.

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Definitely.

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You know, there’s in the
witchcraft community.

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There are a lot of people who

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feel they can’t really claim

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witch.

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If they don’t have a lineage,
okay, or they don’t, they feel

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like maybe somewhat ostracized,
or they don’t feel they’re as

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powerful because they don’t come
from a long line of witches.

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You’ll see this often where
someone will be like, oh, well,

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my grandmother used to do this,
or my aunt used to do that.

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She was practicing witchcraft.

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And it’s like, no, they actually

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they weren’t practicing

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witchcraft.

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They’re practicing what we do in
modern times as witchcraft.

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But they weren’t witches.

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They didn’t call themselves
witches.

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Does that make sense?

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That does make sense.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, like some of the
things, you know, the the

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folklore and superstition.

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And this isn’t just like the

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hillbilly Kentucky folklore and

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superstition.

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You know, the Scots-Irish have
their own.

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The Germans have their own, the
Russians have their own.

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And they all have these things
that they did.

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And it was everyday practice.

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And they still felt they were

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Christians and they still did

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the church and the community

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circled around whatever religion

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they were.

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They were in.

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superstition.

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But they wouldn’t have called
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Okay, that makes sense.

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So it’s more of a practice.

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It’s almost like a Christian who

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but like a Christian who is, uh,

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meditating.

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religion or something.

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You’re just kind of doing this
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That’s not a religion
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Witchcraft is not a religion.

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has tenants and they have

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specific rituals.

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They have an order of sorts.

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the first that I remember, um,
he was a prolific writer and

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speaker and one of the kindest
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encouraging solitary Wicca.

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So a lot of people, you know, in
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know more about that because
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into this.

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And he was one of the first that
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Like you don’t have to come from
a long line of witches.

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You don’t have to have all of
this history.

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Like you can be the first, you

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can start practicing on your

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plan like, this is what candle

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This is what you use these
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women my age.

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and there are still a lot of

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women my age, you know, who

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either practice in the closet or

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they’re just now coming out and

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people see this as like, you

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know, this, all of these women

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in their forties and 50s are

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suddenly just started doing

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witchcraft.

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these young girls now in their
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saying we’re going to be who we
are and practice who what we

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want to practice.

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We don’t care what social or
what society tells us that we

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have to be.

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We don’t have to be Christians.

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We don’t have to be wrapped up
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We’re going to be open and out
practicing witches.

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encouragement and courage behind

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these older women to start
coming out and practicing.

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What are some benefits of, of
joining witchcraft?

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Like what, what are some
benefits that someone might have

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who’s just now getting into it?

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I think they, I think they find
a good sense of community.

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Mhm.

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Um, a lot of people who are in

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the witchcraft movement today

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are coming from ostracized

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paths, you know, and be that

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your, your gender, your

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sexuality, how you relate to the

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world.

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of community there that you

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don’t often with without

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judgment.

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Okay.

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So it’s a very open type
community.

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You have people from all
different sorts.

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Coming in, I assume.

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Oh, yeah.

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Totally.

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So you had mentioned candle
magic and things like that.

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So are you.

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Do you practice magic?

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And like, how does that work?

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There’s magic and then there’s
practicing the work.

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You know what I mean?

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So in candle magic, like, say
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Um, it varies.

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You may set an intention of what
you want to happen and you light

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the candle and the candle burns
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Or you maybe you light the

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candle every day for seven days

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to help your intention follow

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through.

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And you might use specific
colors depending on what you

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want to happen.

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Like for money, you would often
use a green candle for love.

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You’d use a pink candle.

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Okay, um, but that’s one way of
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But when you look at the like
really the essence of candle

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magic, it’s the fire.

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Like that’s what you’re working
with.

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You’re working with the fire,
you’re identifying what parts,

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uh, the element of fire that you
need to work with.

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You’re feeding the fire.

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The fire is, is feeding your
magic.

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And that’s what brings it to
fruition.

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The witchcraft is all inside of
you.

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So these tools help give you a
focus.

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The fire isn’t actually doing
anything.

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It’s your relationship with what
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An example would be I’ll give
you an example about myself.

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So I drown when I was nineteen
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And so water and I don’t always
work well together.

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That’s not a natural element
that I want to work with.

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It’s not there’s nothing there
that I feel attracted to.

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So I can imagine.

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So sometimes I have to like step

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outside of myself and find a way

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to work with that element,

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because what it does is it

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strengthens the rest of my

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practice.

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It forces you to get into a

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space that’s uncomfortable so

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that you learn more about

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yourself.

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Is there such a thing as dark
magic or good magic?

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Bad magic or.

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Oh, yeah.

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Totally.

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You know.

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So, I mean, are there factions
of witchcraft where someone

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might be in a group of witches
who only do good things, and

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others like darker groups or
covens or whatever there?

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Oh, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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I think that when you, when you

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look at it, what we consider

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dark isn’t always necessarily

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dark, right?

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So I’ll give you an example.

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So I lead a social justice
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And so our focus, our entire
focus is how do we help Move and

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shift energy to help protect
people that need protecting, to

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help stop people from doing
things that are hurting others.

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And so what you’re looking to
restore is a balance, right?

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So if someone keyed your car,
you wouldn’t put a curse on them

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to kill them.

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You might give them a flat tire
later.

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Like that’s how that’s how that
balance would balance out.

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Right?

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And so you’re looking for an eye
for an eye sort of a situation.

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You’re looking to restore a
balance.

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And that’s just not from, you
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I mean, that goes back to the
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cursing and hexing.

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You know, there’s three
different types when you’re

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working with darker magic and
they call it darker magic.

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You know, we have this obsession
with light and dark and what

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that means and yada, yada.

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But you know, it’s, it’s not to
me, this is no different Then a

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group of people sitting in
church and praying that

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lawmakers pass a law that
prevents same sex marriage.

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Okay, that’s no different in my
eyes because that’s, you know,

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affecting people in a bad way.

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That’s no different than me
saying, what are we going to do

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to stop these lawmakers from
passing that law?

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You know, it’s subjective.

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It’s just like the mechanism is
different for witchcraft versus

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like a Christian who’s praying
you guys might do, you know, a

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ritual of some sort versus
praying, you know?

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I mean, I’m vegan, like I’m not

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out sacrificing animals or

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anything.

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Like half the time I don’t cut

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down any of the plants that I

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work with because I feel guilty

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about it.

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You know, like, I’ll go work

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wherever they are because I

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don’t want that on my

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conscience.

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Yeah.

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Are there, uh, is animal

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sacrifice something that some

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people do?

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Some people.

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Yeah.

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Depending on.

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Yeah.

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But that’s across all.

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You know, if you look at.

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Well I mean, golly, if you look
in in voodoo, right.

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Maybe Santeria.

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I’m not as familiar with those.

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But yeah, there are there are
different groups that do that

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that still practice sacrifice.

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And it’s protected under law

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under their, um, religious

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rights.

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And so my understanding is that

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there are all kinds of odd

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potions and things like that,

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like bat spit and bizarre

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things.

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Where do, where do witches is
there like a witch store or

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Speaker:
where do they get these things?

441
00:16:11.440 –> 00:16:15.259
Speaker:
Well, now you’re going to get me
started on mass consumerism and

442
00:16:15.259 –> 00:16:18.240
Speaker:
the unethical labor standards.

443
00:16:19.240 –> 00:16:22.960
Speaker:
How does that tie in with, um,
which, like, potion stuff?

444
00:16:22.960 –> 00:16:25.080
Speaker:
I’m sure there’s a tie in, but
there it is.

445
00:16:25.080 –> 00:16:29.120
Speaker:
So, um, yes, there are
witchcraft stores and yes, they

446
00:16:29.120 –> 00:16:33.070
Speaker:
sell herbs and they sell
crystals and they sell Oh,

447
00:16:33.070 –> 00:16:36.769
Speaker:
knives and bells and charms and
books and candles and all these

448
00:16:36.769 –> 00:16:37.730
Speaker:
things that you would need.

449
00:16:37.730 –> 00:16:38.490
Speaker:
Right.

450
00:16:38.490 –> 00:16:39.450
Speaker:
Okay.

451
00:16:39.450 –> 00:16:41.570
Speaker:
Some which is purchased their
items there.

452
00:16:41.570 –> 00:16:45.690
Speaker:
Others purchase from people they
know, a lot of which is make

453
00:16:45.690 –> 00:16:46.929
Speaker:
their own tools.

454
00:16:46.929 –> 00:16:48.370
Speaker:
Part of me being a force, which

455
00:16:48.370 –> 00:16:50.289
Speaker:
is that I scavenge a lot of what

456
00:16:50.289 –> 00:16:51.330
Speaker:
I use.

457
00:16:51.330 –> 00:16:53.190
Speaker:
So I’ll find it out in the woods

458
00:16:53.190 –> 00:16:55.330
Speaker:
and or I will do my practice in

459
00:16:55.330 –> 00:16:56.250
Speaker:
the woods.

460
00:16:56.250 –> 00:16:57.529
Speaker:
And that goes into the mass

461
00:16:57.529 –> 00:16:59.289
Speaker:
consumerism, you know, like I.

462
00:16:59.289 –> 00:17:00.769
Speaker:
And I’m an old witch, so I know

463
00:17:00.769 –> 00:17:01.850
Speaker:
I’m going to sound like an old

464
00:17:01.850 –> 00:17:03.049
Speaker:
witch when I say this, but back

465
00:17:03.049 –> 00:17:06.250
Speaker:
in my day, crystals and stones

466
00:17:06.250 –> 00:17:08.210
Speaker:
were not really a big deal in

467
00:17:08.210 –> 00:17:09.130
Speaker:
witchcraft.

468
00:17:09.130 –> 00:17:10.970
Speaker:
Every once in a while you might
have one.

469
00:17:10.970 –> 00:17:13.410
Speaker:
It might be something, you know,
like a gift.

470
00:17:13.410 –> 00:17:14.569
Speaker:
Or you might find this one

471
00:17:14.569 –> 00:17:15.809
Speaker:
special one that you really,

472
00:17:15.809 –> 00:17:17.730
Speaker:
really like, but not like it is

473
00:17:17.730 –> 00:17:18.450
Speaker:
now.

474
00:17:18.450 –> 00:17:20.450
Speaker:
If you go on on TikTok and

475
00:17:20.450 –> 00:17:21.809
Speaker:
Facebook and you look at most

476
00:17:21.809 –> 00:17:23.329
Speaker:
witchcraft stores and, and I

477
00:17:23.329 –> 00:17:24.450
Speaker:
travel all over the place, you

478
00:17:24.450 –> 00:17:26.009
Speaker:
know, I go to Missouri, I go all

479
00:17:26.009 –> 00:17:27.930
Speaker:
up northern Indiana, Kentucky,

480
00:17:27.930 –> 00:17:30.369
Speaker:
Tennessee, Illinois, and you

481
00:17:30.369 –> 00:17:32.460
Speaker:
walk in witchcraft stores, and

482
00:17:32.460 –> 00:17:34.619
Speaker:
quite a few of them will have a

483
00:17:34.619 –> 00:17:38.380
Speaker:
huge section of stones in

484
00:17:38.380 –> 00:17:39.980
Speaker:
various shapes and various

485
00:17:39.980 –> 00:17:40.700
Speaker:
sizes.

486
00:17:40.700 –> 00:17:44.539
Speaker:
And, you know, you use this
stone for love.

487
00:17:44.539 –> 00:17:47.660
Speaker:
You use this stone to ward off
bad energy.

488
00:17:47.660 –> 00:17:51.500
Speaker:
You use this stone, you know,
for money, right?

489
00:17:51.500 –> 00:17:53.579
Speaker:
They’re all for something,
right?

490
00:17:53.579 –> 00:17:56.859
Speaker:
But when you look at how those
stones are harvested, it makes

491
00:17:56.859 –> 00:17:59.700
Speaker:
you start to think about the
tools that you use and where

492
00:17:59.700 –> 00:18:04.940
Speaker:
they come from, because most of
them are are mined in foreign

493
00:18:04.940 –> 00:18:07.660
Speaker:
countries using child labor.

494
00:18:07.660 –> 00:18:09.259
Speaker:
It pollutes their environment.

495
00:18:09.259 –> 00:18:13.019
Speaker:
It pollutes their water, these
communities.

496
00:18:13.019 –> 00:18:16.059
Speaker:
And so if you take a tool like
that, and then you go to use it

497
00:18:16.059 –> 00:18:19.779
Speaker:
in your practice, and some
people believe it doesn’t matter

498
00:18:19.779 –> 00:18:22.059
Speaker:
how it came to be.

499
00:18:22.059 –> 00:18:23.579
Speaker:
Once you get it, you can cleanse

500
00:18:23.579 –> 00:18:26.019
Speaker:
it and then it’s fine and you

501
00:18:26.019 –> 00:18:27.099
Speaker:
can use it for whatever you

502
00:18:27.099 –> 00:18:27.740
Speaker:
want.

503
00:18:27.740 –> 00:18:30.589
Speaker:
In my practice, I believe that

504
00:18:30.589 –> 00:18:33.269
Speaker:
how that came to be, how it was

505
00:18:33.269 –> 00:18:33.829
Speaker:
mined.

506
00:18:33.829 –> 00:18:36.150
Speaker:
The hands that touched it before
I got it.

507
00:18:36.150 –> 00:18:39.269
Speaker:
That can affect how I work with
it.

508
00:18:39.269 –> 00:18:40.990
Speaker:
Okay, so for me, I would rather

509
00:18:40.990 –> 00:18:43.549
Speaker:
just go out in the woods, use

510
00:18:43.549 –> 00:18:45.190
Speaker:
what I have out there, and then

511
00:18:45.190 –> 00:18:46.650
Speaker:
I don’t have any of that

512
00:18:46.650 –> 00:18:49.109
Speaker:
weighing down on not just my

513
00:18:49.109 –> 00:18:50.849
Speaker:
conscious but on my practice,

514
00:18:50.849 –> 00:18:52.109
Speaker:
you know, and what I’m trying to

515
00:18:52.109 –> 00:18:52.710
Speaker:
accomplish.

516
00:18:52.710 –> 00:18:55.509
Speaker:
I don’t have all that baggage
that came along with it.

517
00:18:55.509 –> 00:18:57.109
Speaker:
Does that make sense?

518
00:18:57.109 –> 00:18:57.789
Speaker:
It does make sense.

519
00:18:57.789 –> 00:18:58.750
Speaker:
And I can see how you tie in

520
00:18:58.750 –> 00:19:00.569
Speaker:
consumerism because, well,

521
00:19:00.569 –> 00:19:02.150
Speaker:
sticks don’t sell for much

522
00:19:02.150 –> 00:19:04.309
Speaker:
money, but stones from foreign

523
00:19:04.309 –> 00:19:05.109
Speaker:
places do.

524
00:19:05.109 –> 00:19:09.269
Speaker:
So the the stores don’t want to
have a. Everyone going out to

525
00:19:09.269 –> 00:19:12.029
Speaker:
the forest getting free stuff is
what I’m guessing.

526
00:19:12.029 –> 00:19:14.549
Speaker:
But if you can get to the same

527
00:19:14.549 –> 00:19:15.990
Speaker:
end by doing those sorts of

528
00:19:15.990 –> 00:19:17.109
Speaker:
things, what’s the point of

529
00:19:17.109 –> 00:19:18.569
Speaker:
buying an expensive crystal or,

530
00:19:18.569 –> 00:19:19.829
Speaker:
you know, supporting those sorts

531
00:19:19.829 –> 00:19:20.269
Speaker:
of things?

532
00:19:20.269 –> 00:19:22.150
Speaker:
But yeah, I certainly
understand, you know, I really,

533
00:19:22.150 –> 00:19:27.654
Speaker:
I don’t have any issue with, um,
witches having their own stores

534
00:19:27.654 –> 00:19:29.039
Speaker:
and selling items.

535
00:19:29.039 –> 00:19:30.759
Speaker:
I don’t feel that way at all

536
00:19:30.759 –> 00:19:32.440
Speaker:
that everything is protected and

537
00:19:32.440 –> 00:19:33.799
Speaker:
nothing should have a money

538
00:19:33.799 –> 00:19:35.480
Speaker:
exchange or an energy exchange

539
00:19:35.480 –> 00:19:36.200
Speaker:
with it.

540
00:19:36.200 –> 00:19:37.559
Speaker:
I don’t believe that at all.

541
00:19:37.559 –> 00:19:39.240
Speaker:
I have zero issues buying from

542
00:19:39.240 –> 00:19:41.640
Speaker:
quality craftspeople who I know

543
00:19:41.640 –> 00:19:43.119
Speaker:
have like made this product

544
00:19:43.119 –> 00:19:44.039
Speaker:
right?

545
00:19:44.039 –> 00:19:49.279
Speaker:
It’s when you go to Joann’s and
you see shelves of stones and

546
00:19:49.279 –> 00:19:52.079
Speaker:
then you go to Walmart and you
see shelves of stones, and you

547
00:19:52.079 –> 00:19:55.099
Speaker:
go to the mall and you see
shelves of stones where you see

548
00:19:55.099 –> 00:19:58.440
Speaker:
like sacred white sage, not
knowing where it came from.

549
00:19:58.440 –> 00:20:02.640
Speaker:
You have to know that the way
they were collected can’t always

550
00:20:02.640 –> 00:20:04.039
Speaker:
align with your practice.

551
00:20:04.039 –> 00:20:05.279
Speaker:
So you just avoid them.

552
00:20:05.279 –> 00:20:06.640
Speaker:
Learn to go out, go out with

553
00:20:06.640 –> 00:20:08.099
Speaker:
someone and learn how to walk

554
00:20:08.099 –> 00:20:09.160
Speaker:
the fields and find your own

555
00:20:09.160 –> 00:20:10.440
Speaker:
stones.

556
00:20:10.440 –> 00:20:11.400
Speaker:
Find them in the ground.

557
00:20:11.400 –> 00:20:14.359
Speaker:
You know you’re not going to
mine them and they’re all there.

558
00:20:14.359 –> 00:20:15.480
Speaker:
Yeah, as a matter of fact, you

559
00:20:15.480 –> 00:20:17.299
Speaker:
say in your bio here on the, uh,

560
00:20:17.299 –> 00:20:18.759
Speaker:
the three corners pagan circle

561
00:20:18.759 –> 00:20:20.980
Speaker:
that you carry a poke of rusty

562
00:20:20.980 –> 00:20:22.440
Speaker:
nails and poison ivy, and you

563
00:20:22.440 –> 00:20:23.819
Speaker:
have an affinity for pocket

564
00:20:23.819 –> 00:20:24.279
Speaker:
knives.

565
00:20:24.279 –> 00:20:26.369
Speaker:
I do, I do, I’ve got to ask.

566
00:20:26.369 –> 00:20:28.369
Speaker:
I saw that and I’m like, I have
to ask her.

567
00:20:28.369 –> 00:20:28.809
Speaker:
What?

568
00:20:28.809 –> 00:20:31.410
Speaker:
Why do you carry rusty nails and
poison ivy?

569
00:20:31.410 –> 00:20:33.289
Speaker:
Oh, that’s just part of my
practice.

570
00:20:33.289 –> 00:20:37.410
Speaker:
You know, like when I say that,
then people know that I walk.

571
00:20:37.410 –> 00:20:39.970
Speaker:
Walk what they call, you know, a
left handed path.

572
00:20:39.970 –> 00:20:41.730
Speaker:
So a poker.

573
00:20:41.730 –> 00:20:44.250
Speaker:
Rusty nails and poison ivy are

574
00:20:44.250 –> 00:20:46.890
Speaker:
something that, um, someone who

575
00:20:46.890 –> 00:20:49.369
Speaker:
does jinx hexes and curses would

576
00:20:49.369 –> 00:20:50.210
Speaker:
carry.

577
00:20:50.210 –> 00:20:53.250
Speaker:
Oh, most most people who do what

578
00:20:53.250 –> 00:20:54.809
Speaker:
we call light and love magic,

579
00:20:54.809 –> 00:20:56.210
Speaker:
they wouldn’t be carrying those

580
00:20:56.210 –> 00:20:56.930
Speaker:
things.

581
00:20:56.930 –> 00:20:59.829
Speaker:
You know, that’s a, it’s a very
specific item for a specific

582
00:20:59.829 –> 00:21:01.170
Speaker:
type of practice.

583
00:21:01.170 –> 00:21:03.369
Speaker:
So how often do you do like a
heavy.

584
00:21:03.369 –> 00:21:05.650
Speaker:
So what would qualify someone

585
00:21:05.650 –> 00:21:07.809
Speaker:
to, to receive, uh, be on the,

586
00:21:07.809 –> 00:21:09.730
Speaker:
the, the wrong end of a hex or a

587
00:21:09.730 –> 00:21:11.009
Speaker:
curse as far as you’re

588
00:21:11.009 –> 00:21:11.410
Speaker:
concerned.

589
00:21:11.410 –> 00:21:14.849
Speaker:
Like is someone who’s a bad

590
00:21:14.849 –> 00:21:16.690
Speaker:
customer service experience or

591
00:21:16.690 –> 00:21:18.569
Speaker:
know, like, what’s the standard

592
00:21:18.569 –> 00:21:20.609
Speaker:
for someone to be cursed in your

593
00:21:20.609 –> 00:21:21.049
Speaker:
opinion?

594
00:21:21.049 –> 00:21:26.539
Speaker:
Oh, I mean, like someone who
starts wars for no reason.

595
00:21:27.579 –> 00:21:29.059
Speaker:
Oh, like big picture stuff.

596
00:21:29.059 –> 00:21:30.740
Speaker:
Oh, yeah, it’s big stuff.

597
00:21:30.740 –> 00:21:31.779
Speaker:
It’s not petty stuff.

598
00:21:31.779 –> 00:21:33.900
Speaker:
Yeah, I got thick skin.

599
00:21:33.900 –> 00:21:34.740
Speaker:
I got thick skin.

600
00:21:34.740 –> 00:21:36.819
Speaker:
I grew up with all brothers on a
farm in Kentucky.

601
00:21:36.819 –> 00:21:37.859
Speaker:
I got thick skin.

602
00:21:37.859 –> 00:21:40.099
Speaker:
Most of that stuff, I don’t
care.

603
00:21:40.099 –> 00:21:40.980
Speaker:
Yeah, that rolls off.

604
00:21:40.980 –> 00:21:44.140
Speaker:
So do you ever curse people in
your personal life, or is it

605
00:21:44.140 –> 00:21:46.539
Speaker:
just all like people you know?

606
00:21:46.539 –> 00:21:48.299
Speaker:
Big picture, big picture stuff.

607
00:21:48.299 –> 00:21:50.859
Speaker:
It’s all social justice work
now.

608
00:21:50.859 –> 00:21:54.819
Speaker:
Well, I say that, but you know,
like if I’m riding down the road

609
00:21:54.819 –> 00:21:58.299
Speaker:
and it’s snowy outside and
there’s ice all over the road

610
00:21:58.299 –> 00:22:02.460
Speaker:
and some guys right up on my
butt and I’ll say, you know

611
00:22:02.460 –> 00:22:04.700
Speaker:
what, we’re going to get there
when I decide that we’re going

612
00:22:04.700 –> 00:22:07.539
Speaker:
to get there, not when you
decide we’re going to get there.

613
00:22:07.539 –> 00:22:08.180
Speaker:
Right?

614
00:22:08.180 –> 00:22:12.440
Speaker:
And, you know, some people would
consider that a jinx, you know,

615
00:22:12.440 –> 00:22:15.500
Speaker:
because now I’ve affected how
how this is going to go for him.

616
00:22:15.500 –> 00:22:17.099
Speaker:
You know, I’ve put that out
there.

617
00:22:17.099 –> 00:22:18.460
Speaker:
I’ve said it and I’ve let them

618
00:22:18.460 –> 00:22:19.660
Speaker:
know this is how it’s going to

619
00:22:19.660 –> 00:22:20.740
Speaker:
happen.

620
00:22:20.740 –> 00:22:21.900
Speaker:
So yeah, I have done that.

621
00:22:21.900 –> 00:22:22.740
Speaker:
I won’t lie.

622
00:22:24.269 –> 00:22:24.869
Speaker:
it would be.

623
00:22:24.869 –> 00:22:25.670
Speaker:
It would be tempting.

624
00:22:25.670 –> 00:22:29.109
Speaker:
I’d probably throw more curses
than I’d like to admit.

625
00:22:29.109 –> 00:22:30.789
Speaker:
Uh, just.

626
00:22:30.789 –> 00:22:31.829
Speaker:
Yeah, without getting into the

627
00:22:31.829 –> 00:22:34.789
Speaker:
details, but, um, I this is just

628
00:22:34.789 –> 00:22:35.269
Speaker:
fascinating.

629
00:22:35.269 –> 00:22:36.069
Speaker:
I could probably talk to you

630
00:22:36.069 –> 00:22:37.029
Speaker:
forever about this stuff now,

631
00:22:37.029 –> 00:22:38.990
Speaker:
but you’re also connected to the

632
00:22:38.990 –> 00:22:40.190
Speaker:
Southern Indiana paranormal

633
00:22:40.190 –> 00:22:41.190
Speaker:
investigators.

634
00:22:41.190 –> 00:22:44.549
Speaker:
You’re a co-chair on that
organization, and you’ve done

635
00:22:44.549 –> 00:22:46.509
Speaker:
paranormal investigations for
years and years.

636
00:22:46.509 –> 00:22:46.710
Speaker:
Yeah.

637
00:22:46.710 –> 00:22:51.869
Speaker:
So Billy Miller, um, started way
back in the day, thirty years

638
00:22:51.869 –> 00:22:55.670
Speaker:
ago, close to I’ve been all over
the place with Billy.

639
00:22:55.670 –> 00:22:59.630
Speaker:
He passed away a couple of years
ago and his niece and I, he left

640
00:22:59.630 –> 00:23:00.950
Speaker:
the group to us.

641
00:23:00.950 –> 00:23:04.869
Speaker:
And so we’ve been to all kinds
of places.

642
00:23:04.869 –> 00:23:07.410
Speaker:
Uh, General Stone’s mansion,

643
00:23:07.410 –> 00:23:10.190
Speaker:
Randolph Asylum, Waverly, tons

644
00:23:10.190 –> 00:23:11.269
Speaker:
of local places here in

645
00:23:11.269 –> 00:23:11.789
Speaker:
Evansville.

646
00:23:11.789 –> 00:23:15.829
Speaker:
I did the, the building where
the ninety six SDO and all the

647
00:23:15.829 –> 00:23:17.269
Speaker:
radio stations are.

648
00:23:17.269 –> 00:23:18.710
Speaker:
I did a reading in that building

649
00:23:18.710 –> 00:23:20.450
Speaker:
and then did the morning show

650
00:23:20.450 –> 00:23:22.400
Speaker:
and see, I’ve done all kinds of

651
00:23:22.400 –> 00:23:22.960
Speaker:
things.

652
00:23:22.960 –> 00:23:24.039
Speaker:
As for like, what is your

653
00:23:24.039 –> 00:23:25.279
Speaker:
expertise as far as when you’re

654
00:23:25.279 –> 00:23:26.160
Speaker:
going on these paranormal

655
00:23:26.160 –> 00:23:26.799
Speaker:
investigations?

656
00:23:26.799 –> 00:23:30.039
Speaker:
Are you do you carry equipment
with you or what are you

657
00:23:30.039 –> 00:23:32.279
Speaker:
bringing to the investigation?

658
00:23:32.279 –> 00:23:34.200
Speaker:
Yeah, I’m the no equipment girl.

659
00:23:34.200 –> 00:23:34.480
Speaker:
Okay.

660
00:23:34.480 –> 00:23:35.359
Speaker:
I don’t like equipment.

661
00:23:35.359 –> 00:23:36.640
Speaker:
You are the equipment?

662
00:23:36.640 –> 00:23:37.039
Speaker:
Yeah.

663
00:23:37.039 –> 00:23:37.640
Speaker:
Yes.

664
00:23:37.640 –> 00:23:38.640
Speaker:
I don’t like the equipment.

665
00:23:38.640 –> 00:23:40.160
Speaker:
I don’t like messing with it.

666
00:23:40.160 –> 00:23:42.559
Speaker:
It it just it messes with me.

667
00:23:42.559 –> 00:23:44.480
Speaker:
So when I go into a space, which

668
00:23:44.480 –> 00:23:46.559
Speaker:
is generally what I do if I do,

669
00:23:46.559 –> 00:23:48.720
Speaker:
um, readings for paranormal

670
00:23:48.720 –> 00:23:51.480
Speaker:
groups is I go in and I give a

671
00:23:51.480 –> 00:23:53.599
Speaker:
psychic reading of the space and

672
00:23:53.599 –> 00:23:55.079
Speaker:
then then they will use the

673
00:23:55.079 –> 00:23:56.920
Speaker:
equipment to see if they can

674
00:23:56.920 –> 00:23:58.319
Speaker:
validate anything that I picked

675
00:23:58.319 –> 00:23:59.279
Speaker:
up.

676
00:23:59.279 –> 00:24:03.480
Speaker:
And we always try to have either
someone who knows the history of

677
00:24:03.480 –> 00:24:08.680
Speaker:
the building well enough that
they can like validate, right.

678
00:24:08.680 –> 00:24:09.799
Speaker:
What I’m picking up on.

679
00:24:09.799 –> 00:24:10.680
Speaker:
Yeah, that’d be really helpful.

680
00:24:10.680 –> 00:24:11.500
Speaker:
Otherwise, you’re just kind of

681
00:24:11.500 –> 00:24:12.400
Speaker:
saying things and it’s like,

682
00:24:12.400 –> 00:24:13.359
Speaker:
yeah, that’s, that would be

683
00:24:13.359 –> 00:24:14.880
Speaker:
interesting if there wasn’t an

684
00:24:14.880 –> 00:24:16.200
Speaker:
living here or something, you

685
00:24:16.200 –> 00:24:16.440
Speaker:
know?

686
00:24:16.440 –> 00:24:20.730
Speaker:
But yeah, you know, and that’s
part of it too, is that when you

687
00:24:20.730 –> 00:24:22.849
Speaker:
know, when you go into a space.

688
00:24:22.849 –> 00:24:24.529
Speaker:
Yeah, people can say whatever

689
00:24:24.529 –> 00:24:26.009
Speaker:
and, and all you can do is sit

690
00:24:26.009 –> 00:24:28.170
Speaker:
there and, and either accept it

691
00:24:28.170 –> 00:24:29.569
Speaker:
or not accept it, which is why I

692
00:24:29.569 –> 00:24:30.769
Speaker:
like to have someone there that

693
00:24:30.769 –> 00:24:31.930
Speaker:
can validate, you know, like

694
00:24:31.930 –> 00:24:34.309
Speaker:
when I did the stuff with the,

695
00:24:34.309 –> 00:24:36.369
Speaker:
um, Indiana historic sites, it

696
00:24:36.369 –> 00:24:37.529
Speaker:
was amazing having the

697
00:24:37.529 –> 00:24:39.049
Speaker:
historians there.

698
00:24:39.049 –> 00:24:40.769
Speaker:
I remember going to Culbertson

699
00:24:40.769 –> 00:24:43.049
Speaker:
Mansion and we were on the

700
00:24:43.049 –> 00:24:44.210
Speaker:
second floor.

701
00:24:44.210 –> 00:24:45.890
Speaker:
And as soon as we got up there,

702
00:24:45.890 –> 00:24:47.809
Speaker:
I said, I have no idea why, but

703
00:24:47.809 –> 00:24:49.049
Speaker:
I feel like I need to stand on

704
00:24:49.049 –> 00:24:51.490
Speaker:
one leg, like I just lost my

705
00:24:51.490 –> 00:24:52.769
Speaker:
leg.

706
00:24:52.769 –> 00:24:56.569
Speaker:
And one of the historians said,
the woman who lived here, her

707
00:24:56.569 –> 00:25:00.490
Speaker:
husband, they ended up taking
both of his legs.

708
00:25:00.490 –> 00:25:03.009
Speaker:
They kept like they would take a
little bit, and then they would

709
00:25:03.009 –> 00:25:05.210
Speaker:
take a little bit more and they
would take a little bit more

710
00:25:05.210 –> 00:25:06.970
Speaker:
because he had some disease.

711
00:25:06.970 –> 00:25:08.390
Speaker:
And so it was really cool

712
00:25:08.390 –> 00:25:09.450
Speaker:
getting that immediate

713
00:25:09.450 –> 00:25:11.410
Speaker:
validation that that’s why I

714
00:25:11.410 –> 00:25:13.250
Speaker:
felt that, you know, like,

715
00:25:13.250 –> 00:25:14.289
Speaker:
what’s the strangest thing

716
00:25:14.289 –> 00:25:15.809
Speaker:
you’ve ever had happen on a

717
00:25:15.809 –> 00:25:18.019
Speaker:
paranormal investigation?

718
00:25:18.019 –> 00:25:19.460
Speaker:
Probably when we were doing

719
00:25:19.460 –> 00:25:20.819
Speaker:
community House number two at

720
00:25:20.819 –> 00:25:22.579
Speaker:
new Harmony when I was with

721
00:25:22.579 –> 00:25:25.960
Speaker:
Joanie Mehan and, um, Tracy

722
00:25:25.960 –> 00:25:26.619
Speaker:
Hain.

723
00:25:26.619 –> 00:25:31.380
Speaker:
Tracy was on one floor and I was
on another floor above her and

724
00:25:31.380 –> 00:25:33.339
Speaker:
she was doing the Estes Method.

725
00:25:33.339 –> 00:25:35.220
Speaker:
I’m not sure if you’re familiar
with that.

726
00:25:35.220 –> 00:25:36.339
Speaker:
I’m not.

727
00:25:36.339 –> 00:25:41.079
Speaker:
Okay, so with the Estes method,
your eyes are covered and you’re

728
00:25:41.079 –> 00:25:45.059
Speaker:
listening to headphones and it’s
either just white noise behind

729
00:25:45.059 –> 00:25:50.480
Speaker:
it or sometimes it’ll be, um,
they’ll use the ghost box where

730
00:25:50.480 –> 00:25:52.980
Speaker:
it scans all the radio stations.

731
00:25:52.980 –> 00:25:55.500
Speaker:
And so Tracy was doing that on
the floor below me.

732
00:25:55.500 –> 00:25:56.740
Speaker:
And so she’s with a group and

733
00:25:56.740 –> 00:25:58.180
Speaker:
she’s really picking up on some

734
00:25:58.180 –> 00:25:59.940
Speaker:
stuff, and I’m on the floor

735
00:25:59.940 –> 00:26:01.500
Speaker:
above that.

736
00:26:01.500 –> 00:26:04.339
Speaker:
There was a guy in the group
that just kind of gave me a

737
00:26:04.339 –> 00:26:05.579
Speaker:
weird vibe the whole night.

738
00:26:05.579 –> 00:26:06.619
Speaker:
He was a younger guy.

739
00:26:06.619 –> 00:26:08.660
Speaker:
He was with a young girl, and he

740
00:26:08.660 –> 00:26:10.140
Speaker:
just kind of gave me a bad vibe

741
00:26:10.140 –> 00:26:10.660
Speaker:
all night.

742
00:26:10.660 –> 00:26:15.220
Speaker:
And at one point we had said,
don’t ask how they died.

743
00:26:15.220 –> 00:26:17.029
Speaker:
Like, don’t ask stuff like that.

744
00:26:17.029 –> 00:26:19.069
Speaker:
Just be cool about it.

745
00:26:19.069 –> 00:26:21.990
Speaker:
And so we go around the circle
and they’re asking questions.

746
00:26:21.990 –> 00:26:23.470
Speaker:
And what does he ask?

747
00:26:23.470 –> 00:26:25.430
Speaker:
He goes, how did you die?

748
00:26:25.430 –> 00:26:29.289
Speaker:
And right at that moment, this
huge wooden beam that support

749
00:26:29.289 –> 00:26:33.069
Speaker:
like in the middle of all three
floors and it’s huge.

750
00:26:33.069 –> 00:26:36.430
Speaker:
It’s a huge wooden beam put in,
you know, by the harmonist.

751
00:26:36.430 –> 00:26:38.670
Speaker:
Whoever built the building,
that’s how old it is.

752
00:26:38.670 –> 00:26:40.549
Speaker:
It split from the floor to the
top.

753
00:26:40.549 –> 00:26:43.250
Speaker:
Oh my gosh, he’s at that loud

754
00:26:43.250 –> 00:26:44.950
Speaker:
crack at that moment when he

755
00:26:44.950 –> 00:26:45.430
Speaker:
asked that.

756
00:26:45.430 –> 00:26:48.549
Speaker:
And that’s probably the weirdest
thing that’s ever happened.

757
00:26:48.549 –> 00:26:49.150
Speaker:
That is weird.

758
00:26:49.150 –> 00:26:49.910
Speaker:
And at the yeah.

759
00:26:49.910 –> 00:26:52.829
Speaker:
And at that very moment, Tracy’s
on the floor below us and she’s

760
00:26:52.829 –> 00:26:56.269
Speaker:
getting like some really violent
stuff going on on the Estes.

761
00:26:56.269 –> 00:26:59.150
Speaker:
So it’s like, was it what was
going on with her?

762
00:26:59.150 –> 00:27:00.190
Speaker:
Was it the sky?

763
00:27:00.190 –> 00:27:02.269
Speaker:
Was it a combination of both
things?

764
00:27:02.269 –> 00:27:03.509
Speaker:
Like, I don’t know, that’s

765
00:27:03.509 –> 00:27:04.869
Speaker:
probably the weirdest thing that

766
00:27:04.869 –> 00:27:06.750
Speaker:
I’ve ever experienced, like a

767
00:27:06.750 –> 00:27:07.950
Speaker:
physical manifestation.

768
00:27:07.950 –> 00:27:09.529
Speaker:
I mean, it’s like actual, you

769
00:27:09.529 –> 00:27:10.430
Speaker:
could actually see what

770
00:27:10.430 –> 00:27:10.750
Speaker:
happened.

771
00:27:10.750 –> 00:27:11.950
Speaker:
It’s not just like something

772
00:27:11.950 –> 00:27:13.869
Speaker:
that’s been recorded, uh, audio

773
00:27:13.869 –> 00:27:14.480
Speaker:
or something.

774
00:27:14.480 –> 00:27:15.000
Speaker:
That’s.

775
00:27:15.000 –> 00:27:15.640
Speaker:
Yes.

776
00:27:15.640 –> 00:27:17.000
Speaker:
And that’s so rare.

777
00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:18.119
Speaker:
It’s I mean, because I’ve been

778
00:27:18.119 –> 00:27:19.200
Speaker:
doing this for years and years

779
00:27:19.200 –> 00:27:20.839
Speaker:
and years, and it is incredibly

780
00:27:20.839 –> 00:27:22.880
Speaker:
rare to ever catch anything like

781
00:27:22.880 –> 00:27:23.839
Speaker:
that.

782
00:27:23.839 –> 00:27:26.680
Speaker:
Joni thinks all of the buildings
down in new Harmony are haunted.

783
00:27:26.680 –> 00:27:27.440
Speaker:
Sounds like they are.

784
00:27:27.440 –> 00:27:30.039
Speaker:
The history is is pretty wild.

785
00:27:30.039 –> 00:27:31.160
Speaker:
It is the history.

786
00:27:31.160 –> 00:27:32.720
Speaker:
The history is wild.

787
00:27:32.720 –> 00:27:35.359
Speaker:
Yeah, I have a different, um, I

788
00:27:35.359 –> 00:27:36.779
Speaker:
have a different view on

789
00:27:36.779 –> 00:27:38.079
Speaker:
haunting and how much stuff is

790
00:27:38.079 –> 00:27:39.440
Speaker:
haunted and how much of it is

791
00:27:39.440 –> 00:27:41.000
Speaker:
just like residual stuff that

792
00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:42.000
Speaker:
happens.

793
00:27:42.000 –> 00:27:42.640
Speaker:
What do you think?

794
00:27:42.640 –> 00:27:43.779
Speaker:
What do you how do you describe

795
00:27:43.779 –> 00:27:45.160
Speaker:
like a paranormal event like

796
00:27:45.160 –> 00:27:45.279
Speaker:
that?

797
00:27:45.279 –> 00:27:47.240
Speaker:
Like, what do you think is going
on?

798
00:27:47.240 –> 00:27:49.759
Speaker:
What I experienced in that
moment?

799
00:27:49.759 –> 00:27:50.920
Speaker:
I’m not exactly sure.

800
00:27:50.920 –> 00:27:53.240
Speaker:
I think it was a shift in
energy.

801
00:27:53.240 –> 00:27:54.119
Speaker:
Like I do believe that

802
00:27:54.119 –> 00:27:56.279
Speaker:
everything, um, moves through

803
00:27:56.279 –> 00:27:57.599
Speaker:
energy.

804
00:27:57.599 –> 00:27:59.019
Speaker:
And so all of this is kind of

805
00:27:59.019 –> 00:28:01.519
Speaker:
like on wavelengths, but I think

806
00:28:01.519 –> 00:28:02.920
Speaker:
a lot of times when people feel

807
00:28:02.920 –> 00:28:04.160
Speaker:
their house is haunted, it’s

808
00:28:04.160 –> 00:28:07.079
Speaker:
just either a manifestation of

809
00:28:07.079 –> 00:28:07.839
Speaker:
something they’ve done

810
00:28:07.839 –> 00:28:09.279
Speaker:
themselves.

811
00:28:09.279 –> 00:28:10.839
Speaker:
Because I’ve done a lot of home

812
00:28:10.839 –> 00:28:12.384
Speaker:
clearings and I’ve done a lot of

813
00:28:12.384 –> 00:28:14.569
Speaker:
that, and it’ll be people who

814
00:28:14.569 –> 00:28:16.890
Speaker:
have a lot of trauma or they

815
00:28:16.890 –> 00:28:18.690
Speaker:
have drug addiction problems in

816
00:28:18.690 –> 00:28:21.329
Speaker:
the house, or it’s very, very

817
00:28:21.329 –> 00:28:22.769
Speaker:
rare that I would go to a home

818
00:28:22.769 –> 00:28:24.769
Speaker:
and it would just be a regular,

819
00:28:24.769 –> 00:28:27.529
Speaker:
normal scenario with some weird

820
00:28:27.529 –> 00:28:28.769
Speaker:
stuff happening.

821
00:28:28.769 –> 00:28:32.849
Speaker:
That that’s one percent of the
homes that I ever went to, the

822
00:28:32.849 –> 00:28:35.009
Speaker:
other ninety nine percent.

823
00:28:35.009 –> 00:28:37.130
Speaker:
Tons of other stuff going on.

824
00:28:37.130 –> 00:28:39.410
Speaker:
So you never really get to the
bottom.

825
00:28:39.410 –> 00:28:41.849
Speaker:
You know, is it a ghost?

826
00:28:41.849 –> 00:28:45.609
Speaker:
Is it a residual haunting or is

827
00:28:45.609 –> 00:28:46.970
Speaker:
it these people have chaotic

828
00:28:46.970 –> 00:28:47.450
Speaker:
lives.

829
00:28:47.450 –> 00:28:50.529
Speaker:
They have a lot of stuff going
on, and that just manifests

830
00:28:50.529 –> 00:28:53.329
Speaker:
itself out into chaos, you know?

831
00:28:53.329 –> 00:28:53.769
Speaker:
Absolutely.

832
00:28:53.769 –> 00:28:54.549
Speaker:
And it’s, it’s hard to

833
00:28:54.549 –> 00:28:56.430
Speaker:
differentiate between like, say,

834
00:28:56.430 –> 00:28:58.650
Speaker:
the chaotic lives may be

835
00:28:58.650 –> 00:29:00.750
Speaker:
manifesting into this, but is it

836
00:29:00.750 –> 00:29:02.210
Speaker:
or is it attracting some

837
00:29:02.210 –> 00:29:03.950
Speaker:
supernatural or paranormal

838
00:29:03.950 –> 00:29:06.289
Speaker:
entity that’s attracted to that

839
00:29:06.289 –> 00:29:07.210
Speaker:
energy itself?

840
00:29:07.210 –> 00:29:10.089
Speaker:
So it’s kind of hard to tell
what’s causing what.

841
00:29:10.089 –> 00:29:11.660
Speaker:
It definitely is, you know.

842
00:29:11.660 –> 00:29:13.819
Speaker:
And, and that’s the sad thing is
because like, you know, you go

843
00:29:13.819 –> 00:29:16.380
Speaker:
into this and you want to help
people like you want them to

844
00:29:16.380 –> 00:29:17.980
Speaker:
feel better when you leave.

845
00:29:17.980 –> 00:29:18.140
Speaker:
Yeah.

846
00:29:18.140 –> 00:29:19.099
Speaker:
That’s one of my pet peeves

847
00:29:19.099 –> 00:29:20.579
Speaker:
about these paranormal

848
00:29:20.579 –> 00:29:21.140
Speaker:
investigators.

849
00:29:21.140 –> 00:29:23.539
Speaker:
Sometimes they’ll, they’ll say,
oh, we want to help out.

850
00:29:23.539 –> 00:29:26.000
Speaker:
And it’s like, they really just
end up, you know, bringing out a

851
00:29:26.000 –> 00:29:28.140
Speaker:
ghost box and saying, yep,
you’ve got a ghost.

852
00:29:28.140 –> 00:29:28.859
Speaker:
And then leaving.

853
00:29:28.859 –> 00:29:31.180
Speaker:
And it’s like, they’re not, I’m
not sure who’s really helped

854
00:29:31.180 –> 00:29:34.759
Speaker:
here, but look, I’ll tell, I’ll
tell you, like all complete

855
00:29:34.759 –> 00:29:40.019
Speaker:
honesty that the majority of the
homes that I’ve gone to and I’ve

856
00:29:40.019 –> 00:29:43.859
Speaker:
done over a hundred, you know,
the majority of the homes that

857
00:29:43.859 –> 00:29:48.299
Speaker:
I’ve gone to, they either had
investigators or psychics there

858
00:29:48.299 –> 00:29:52.380
Speaker:
before me, and I guarantee you
that they had investigators or

859
00:29:52.380 –> 00:29:57.339
Speaker:
psychics after me, because no
matter what you would say it, it

860
00:29:57.339 –> 00:29:59.099
Speaker:
would never resolve it.

861
00:29:59.099 –> 00:30:00.700
Speaker:
And sometimes it was because the

862
00:30:00.700 –> 00:30:03.140
Speaker:
investigator would come in and

863
00:30:03.140 –> 00:30:05.160
Speaker:
get them so worked up into,

864
00:30:05.160 –> 00:30:05.660
Speaker:
right.

865
00:30:05.660 –> 00:30:07.579
Speaker:
It’s something way more dramatic

866
00:30:07.579 –> 00:30:09.019
Speaker:
and worse than they could have

867
00:30:09.019 –> 00:30:09.309
Speaker:
thought.

868
00:30:09.309 –> 00:30:10.509
Speaker:
it was just grandma.

869
00:30:10.509 –> 00:30:11.029
Speaker:
Yeah.

870
00:30:11.029 –> 00:30:11.710
Speaker:
Hanging around.

871
00:30:11.710 –> 00:30:13.670
Speaker:
And we need to get her to move
on.

872
00:30:13.670 –> 00:30:16.509
Speaker:
But instead, they’ve turned it
into.

873
00:30:16.509 –> 00:30:18.950
Speaker:
You’ve got a demon portal in
your bedroom, and your house is

874
00:30:18.950 –> 00:30:21.750
Speaker:
on the Earth’s ley lines, and we
need to move these ley lines.

875
00:30:21.750 –> 00:30:23.829
Speaker:
So, you know, we can’t.

876
00:30:23.829 –> 00:30:26.990
Speaker:
And they create this horrible
situation.

877
00:30:26.990 –> 00:30:27.509
Speaker:
Example.

878
00:30:27.509 –> 00:30:29.789
Speaker:
I’ll give you a really great
example of this.

879
00:30:29.789 –> 00:30:31.470
Speaker:
I did a reading for a fella over

880
00:30:31.470 –> 00:30:34.029
Speaker:
in Princeton and he worked for a

881
00:30:34.029 –> 00:30:34.509
Speaker:
road crew.

882
00:30:34.509 –> 00:30:35.769
Speaker:
He ran a road crew for twenty

883
00:30:35.769 –> 00:30:39.089
Speaker:
five years and he saw a psychic,

884
00:30:39.089 –> 00:30:41.869
Speaker:
and she told him that something

885
00:30:41.869 –> 00:30:43.829
Speaker:
really, really bad was going to

886
00:30:43.829 –> 00:30:45.950
Speaker:
happen on the road on this

887
00:30:45.950 –> 00:30:47.430
Speaker:
construction crew he was working

888
00:30:47.430 –> 00:30:48.750
Speaker:
on, and there was going to be a

889
00:30:48.750 –> 00:30:50.069
Speaker:
horrible accident.

890
00:30:50.069 –> 00:30:51.230
Speaker:
People were going to get hurt

891
00:30:51.230 –> 00:30:52.390
Speaker:
and he was going to get blamed

892
00:30:52.390 –> 00:30:53.390
Speaker:
for it.

893
00:30:53.390 –> 00:30:55.430
Speaker:
So he needed to quit his job.

894
00:30:55.430 –> 00:30:59.509
Speaker:
Now, he’d been there twenty five
years and this man quit his job.

895
00:30:59.509 –> 00:31:01.950
Speaker:
His wife was losing her mind.

896
00:31:01.950 –> 00:31:03.589
Speaker:
Oh my.

897
00:31:03.589 –> 00:31:08.079
Speaker:
That he quit his job because
this psychic told him that.

898
00:31:08.079 –> 00:31:09.039
Speaker:
Wow.

899
00:31:09.039 –> 00:31:10.359
Speaker:
And so here I come.

900
00:31:10.359 –> 00:31:12.799
Speaker:
Following that to say.

901
00:31:12.799 –> 00:31:13.480
Speaker:
Hey, bud.

902
00:31:13.480 –> 00:31:16.880
Speaker:
No, no, no, we need to rein this
in a little bit.

903
00:31:16.880 –> 00:31:17.319
Speaker:
Right?

904
00:31:17.319 –> 00:31:19.119
Speaker:
Let’s let’s let’s bring in let’s

905
00:31:19.119 –> 00:31:20.140
Speaker:
bring this back to the back

906
00:31:20.140 –> 00:31:20.720
Speaker:
porch.

907
00:31:20.720 –> 00:31:22.960
Speaker:
You know, let’s rein it in.

908
00:31:22.960 –> 00:31:25.240
Speaker:
That’s not how this all works.

909
00:31:25.240 –> 00:31:27.480
Speaker:
But when you have people out
there telling people that that’s

910
00:31:27.480 –> 00:31:31.160
Speaker:
how it works and that’s what’s
going on and getting them worked

911
00:31:31.160 –> 00:31:34.480
Speaker:
up, you know, and I know he saw
psychics after me and he called

912
00:31:34.480 –> 00:31:36.480
Speaker:
me back to his house four or
five different times, and he

913
00:31:36.480 –> 00:31:38.880
Speaker:
would say, well, I talked to
this other psychic and they told

914
00:31:38.880 –> 00:31:41.200
Speaker:
me you were wrong and that this
is what’s going on.

915
00:31:41.200 –> 00:31:41.480
Speaker:
Yeah.

916
00:31:41.480 –> 00:31:45.079
Speaker:
And I’m like, you know, but I
don’t know how to help you.

917
00:31:45.079 –> 00:31:47.559
Speaker:
Or another one I saw, um, a girl

918
00:31:47.559 –> 00:31:49.599
Speaker:
doing a Facebook, reading a

919
00:31:49.599 –> 00:31:50.839
Speaker:
Facebook live reading for

920
00:31:50.839 –> 00:31:52.079
Speaker:
another girl.

921
00:31:52.079 –> 00:31:53.319
Speaker:
You know, she had said she was

922
00:31:53.319 –> 00:31:54.599
Speaker:
talking to the girl’s deceased

923
00:31:54.599 –> 00:31:55.440
Speaker:
father.

924
00:31:55.440 –> 00:31:58.000
Speaker:
She goes, you know that man
you’re with right now?

925
00:31:58.000 –> 00:32:00.640
Speaker:
Your dad says that that’s the
man that you’re going to marry.

926
00:32:00.640 –> 00:32:02.519
Speaker:
That’s who you need to marry.

927
00:32:02.519 –> 00:32:03.980
Speaker:
And I thought, oh my goodness,

928
00:32:03.980 –> 00:32:05.160
Speaker:
like she knows nothing about

929
00:32:05.160 –> 00:32:06.569
Speaker:
this man.

930
00:32:06.569 –> 00:32:08.289
Speaker:
What if he’s an abuser?

931
00:32:08.289 –> 00:32:09.529
Speaker:
There are all kinds of things

932
00:32:09.529 –> 00:32:10.529
Speaker:
that could be wrong in this

933
00:32:10.529 –> 00:32:11.130
Speaker:
situation.

934
00:32:11.130 –> 00:32:13.250
Speaker:
And she has done Facebook, lived
it.

935
00:32:13.250 –> 00:32:15.930
Speaker:
So odds are the boyfriend saw it
too.

936
00:32:15.930 –> 00:32:17.289
Speaker:
It’s terrifying to me that

937
00:32:17.289 –> 00:32:19.029
Speaker:
people go out and they do this

938
00:32:19.029 –> 00:32:21.130
Speaker:
and it gives everybody else a

939
00:32:21.130 –> 00:32:21.809
Speaker:
bad name.

940
00:32:21.809 –> 00:32:24.410
Speaker:
You know, I mean, because there
are some of us who are very down

941
00:32:24.410 –> 00:32:27.190
Speaker:
to earth that are saying, it
doesn’t matter if you put black

942
00:32:27.190 –> 00:32:29.450
Speaker:
tourmaline in an arch outside
your bedroom door.

943
00:32:29.450 –> 00:32:32.170
Speaker:
If you’re living in a house full
of people doing drugs, you’re

944
00:32:32.170 –> 00:32:34.529
Speaker:
still going to have that
negativity around you.

945
00:32:34.529 –> 00:32:35.589
Speaker:
It doesn’t matter how much black

946
00:32:35.589 –> 00:32:37.009
Speaker:
tourmaline you put outside your

947
00:32:37.009 –> 00:32:37.769
Speaker:
door.

948
00:32:37.769 –> 00:32:40.210
Speaker:
Doesn’t matter how many times we
cleaned your room.

949
00:32:40.210 –> 00:32:41.410
Speaker:
This is what you’re in.

950
00:32:41.410 –> 00:32:44.809
Speaker:
So yeah, it’s very difficult to
sit in that space and, and sit

951
00:32:44.809 –> 00:32:47.490
Speaker:
with other people and say, I
know this is what all these

952
00:32:47.490 –> 00:32:50.450
Speaker:
other people have told you
before, but let’s look at where

953
00:32:50.450 –> 00:32:51.210
Speaker:
you are right now.

954
00:32:51.210 –> 00:32:53.049
Speaker:
Like what’s really going on.

955
00:32:53.049 –> 00:32:57.210
Speaker:
It’s not some third world demon
dog that came from a portal

956
00:32:57.210 –> 00:33:00.650
Speaker:
that’s, you know, making your
kids stay up all night.

957
00:33:00.650 –> 00:33:01.609
Speaker:
Maybe you shouldn’t let your

958
00:33:01.609 –> 00:33:02.690
Speaker:
four year old watch horror

959
00:33:02.690 –> 00:33:04.559
Speaker:
movies right before they go to

960
00:33:04.559 –> 00:33:04.900
Speaker:
bed.

961
00:33:04.900 –> 00:33:07.259
Speaker:
Let’s try that, see if that
helps.

962
00:33:09.059 –> 00:33:09.299
Speaker:
Yeah.

963
00:33:09.299 –> 00:33:09.940
Speaker:
I’m bombarded.

964
00:33:09.940 –> 00:33:12.180
Speaker:
I guess I’m on the algorithm or
something, but I will get a lot

965
00:33:12.180 –> 00:33:16.740
Speaker:
of psychic reading suggestions
on TikTok and tarot readings and

966
00:33:16.740 –> 00:33:17.299
Speaker:
things like that.

967
00:33:17.299 –> 00:33:20.500
Speaker:
So are you on, do you do any of
that kind of stuff on TikTok or.

968
00:33:20.500 –> 00:33:21.660
Speaker:
No, not on TikTok.

969
00:33:21.660 –> 00:33:23.460
Speaker:
I mean, golly, I’m an old lady.

970
00:33:23.460 –> 00:33:24.599
Speaker:
Like, you know, I’m nearly fifty

971
00:33:24.599 –> 00:33:26.299
Speaker:
and I’ve been doing this for so

972
00:33:26.299 –> 00:33:26.619
Speaker:
long.

973
00:33:26.619 –> 00:33:27.980
Speaker:
I started doing readings with

974
00:33:27.980 –> 00:33:29.559
Speaker:
tarot cards when I was fourteen

975
00:33:29.559 –> 00:33:30.460
Speaker:
at parties.

976
00:33:30.460 –> 00:33:31.099
Speaker:
Oh wow.

977
00:33:31.099 –> 00:33:31.779
Speaker:
In high school.

978
00:33:31.779 –> 00:33:34.099
Speaker:
So it’s, I’ve been doing this a
long, long time.

979
00:33:34.099 –> 00:33:36.299
Speaker:
Um, mostly now my practice

980
00:33:36.299 –> 00:33:40.680
Speaker:
focuses on bringing myself to a

981
00:33:40.680 –> 00:33:44.059
Speaker:
good space where I can help

982
00:33:44.059 –> 00:33:45.940
Speaker:
protect others and help move

983
00:33:45.940 –> 00:33:46.940
Speaker:
people forward.

984
00:33:46.940 –> 00:33:49.299
Speaker:
You know, how can I help
everyone progress?

985
00:33:49.299 –> 00:33:51.900
Speaker:
How can I help our earth
progress?

986
00:33:51.900 –> 00:33:54.460
Speaker:
You know, how can I take care of
other people?

987
00:33:54.460 –> 00:33:56.819
Speaker:
And that’s mainly where my
practice goes.

988
00:33:56.819 –> 00:33:59.140
Speaker:
So you like to use this for
good?

989
00:33:59.140 –> 00:34:01.539
Speaker:
Basically, you’re just wanting
to make the world a better place

990
00:34:01.539 –> 00:34:04.630
Speaker:
and, and to do what you can to
to make that happen.

991
00:34:04.630 –> 00:34:09.150
Speaker:
So you’re involved with finding
missing people?

992
00:34:09.150 –> 00:34:10.030
Speaker:
Yeah.

993
00:34:10.030 –> 00:34:13.329
Speaker:
You’ve, you’ve worked on certain
missing persons cases and

994
00:34:13.329 –> 00:34:16.909
Speaker:
provided investigators with
information like psychic.

995
00:34:16.909 –> 00:34:17.269
Speaker:
Yeah.

996
00:34:17.269 –> 00:34:19.510
Speaker:
Like how exactly have you
helped?

997
00:34:19.510 –> 00:34:22.190
Speaker:
I’ve never worked with families
and I never will.

998
00:34:22.190 –> 00:34:24.469
Speaker:
I think there’s there’s too much
there.

999
00:34:24.469 –> 00:34:26.389
Speaker:
Like when you read other.

1000
00:34:26.389 –> 00:34:27.630
Speaker:
Well, this kind of this is going

1001
00:34:27.630 –> 00:34:28.590
Speaker:
to bring us back a little bit

1002
00:34:28.590 –> 00:34:30.030
Speaker:
more into what psychic stuff is,

1003
00:34:30.030 –> 00:34:31.309
Speaker:
right?

1004
00:34:31.309 –> 00:34:39.449
Speaker:
If you are doing a reading and
you start telling a story,

1005
00:34:39.449 –> 00:34:42.150
Speaker:
that’s generally your brain
trying to fill gaps.

1006
00:34:43.150 –> 00:34:47.409
Speaker:
So if you’ve ever had someone
tell you about, you know, a

1007
00:34:47.409 –> 00:34:51.030
Speaker:
psychic, tell you about a
reading they did, or if you

1008
00:34:51.030 –> 00:34:56.150
Speaker:
overhear psychic giving a
reading to someone and they say,

1009
00:34:56.150 –> 00:34:58.949
Speaker:
oh, well, this person every day
at three o’clock on Saturdays,

1010
00:34:58.949 –> 00:35:01.480
Speaker:
they went and they got coffee at
this little shop.

1011
00:35:01.480 –> 00:35:02.719
Speaker:
And that was like kind of their
thing.

1012
00:35:02.719 –> 00:35:05.000
Speaker:
And everybody knew them for it,
you know?

1013
00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:07.119
Speaker:
You know, the family’s going to
be like, oh my God, they really

1014
00:35:07.119 –> 00:35:08.199
Speaker:
did love coffee.

1015
00:35:09.199 –> 00:35:10.159
Speaker:
Well, they didn’t say anything

1016
00:35:10.159 –> 00:35:11.280
Speaker:
about going to that place at

1017
00:35:11.280 –> 00:35:11.800
Speaker:
three o’clock.

1018
00:35:11.800 –> 00:35:13.960
Speaker:
All they heard was this person
really like coffee and they

1019
00:35:13.960 –> 00:35:14.920
Speaker:
latched on to it, right?

1020
00:35:14.920 –> 00:35:15.239
Speaker:
Right.

1021
00:35:15.239 –> 00:35:16.159
Speaker:
Mhm.

1022
00:35:16.159 –> 00:35:19.639
Speaker:
And so you have to be very, very
careful, especially when you’re

1023
00:35:19.639 –> 00:35:25.559
Speaker:
doing that type of work that you
don’t allow your brain to take

1024
00:35:25.559 –> 00:35:27.880
Speaker:
over and fill in gaps.

1025
00:35:27.880 –> 00:35:29.880
Speaker:
And some of my earlier work when

1026
00:35:29.880 –> 00:35:31.679
Speaker:
I go in and I like read some of

1027
00:35:31.679 –> 00:35:32.840
Speaker:
the earlier work I did on

1028
00:35:32.840 –> 00:35:34.280
Speaker:
missing persons cases that have

1029
00:35:34.280 –> 00:35:36.199
Speaker:
either like now been solved or

1030
00:35:36.199 –> 00:35:37.599
Speaker:
someone’s been arrested or

1031
00:35:37.599 –> 00:35:38.039
Speaker:
whatever.

1032
00:35:38.039 –> 00:35:41.239
Speaker:
And I go back and I look and I
go, yeah, my brain was really

1033
00:35:41.239 –> 00:35:42.840
Speaker:
filling in gaps there.

1034
00:35:42.840 –> 00:35:45.739
Speaker:
Like my brain was like really
trying to make something work to

1035
00:35:45.739 –> 00:35:48.440
Speaker:
make it make sense to me so I
could keep going.

1036
00:35:48.440 –> 00:35:48.960
Speaker:
Right.

1037
00:35:48.960 –> 00:35:50.800
Speaker:
That would be really hard not to
do though, right?

1038
00:35:50.800 –> 00:35:54.599
Speaker:
Because you’re trying to, you’re
your brain just naturally tries

1039
00:35:54.599 –> 00:35:58.219
Speaker:
to fill gaps and you’re like,
okay, so they liked doing this

1040
00:35:58.219 –> 00:36:01.130
Speaker:
activity and I’m getting a
feeling that they liked water.

1041
00:36:01.130 –> 00:36:02.730
Speaker:
And so there’s.

1042
00:36:02.730 –> 00:36:05.150
Speaker:
You know, it would be really
difficult just to not to ignore

1043
00:36:05.150 –> 00:36:06.369
Speaker:
that part of you.

1044
00:36:06.369 –> 00:36:07.769
Speaker:
Oh, it’s like a big joke.

1045
00:36:07.769 –> 00:36:11.690
Speaker:
Like in, in like the psychic
investigation community.

1046
00:36:11.690 –> 00:36:15.570
Speaker:
It’s this huge joke that like,
everybody is every single body

1047
00:36:15.570 –> 00:36:16.489
Speaker:
that’s ever found.

1048
00:36:16.489 –> 00:36:18.250
Speaker:
Is found by a body of water.

1049
00:36:19.489 –> 00:36:21.250
Speaker:
It’s like and it’s like a joke.

1050
00:36:21.250 –> 00:36:22.889
Speaker:
It’s kind of like.

1051
00:36:22.889 –> 00:36:25.010
Speaker:
Because everywhere you go,
there’s some kind of body of

1052
00:36:25.010 –> 00:36:25.809
Speaker:
water, you know?

1053
00:36:25.809 –> 00:36:26.730
Speaker:
So it’s like always.

1054
00:36:26.730 –> 00:36:29.869
Speaker:
Oh, they were found in a body of
water near a body of water or,

1055
00:36:29.869 –> 00:36:30.730
Speaker:
or the other.

1056
00:36:30.730 –> 00:36:32.289
Speaker:
The other one is when a

1057
00:36:32.289 –> 00:36:34.329
Speaker:
psychic’s doing a reading and,

1058
00:36:34.329 –> 00:36:36.010
Speaker:
and you hear this a lot with TV

1059
00:36:36.010 –> 00:36:36.849
Speaker:
psychics.

1060
00:36:36.849 –> 00:36:41.469
Speaker:
If they start kind of like
they’re not getting any hits

1061
00:36:41.469 –> 00:36:44.530
Speaker:
from the audience, then they
start with, I’m getting someone

1062
00:36:44.530 –> 00:36:47.630
Speaker:
whose name begins with the
letter M, and if you watch TV

1063
00:36:47.630 –> 00:36:49.289
Speaker:
psychics, you’ll see that a lot.

1064
00:36:49.289 –> 00:36:50.650
Speaker:
And it’s because that’s

1065
00:36:50.650 –> 00:36:51.889
Speaker:
everybody knows someone whose

1066
00:36:51.889 –> 00:36:54.829
Speaker:
name starts with the letter M,

1067
00:36:54.829 –> 00:36:56.010
Speaker:
and it’s kind of like a good

1068
00:36:56.010 –> 00:36:57.355
Speaker:
starting point to jump off

1069
00:36:57.355 –> 00:36:57.860
Speaker:
again.

1070
00:36:57.860 –> 00:36:59.099
Speaker:
And so you kind of have to watch

1071
00:36:59.099 –> 00:37:00.139
Speaker:
that when you’re doing psychic

1072
00:37:00.139 –> 00:37:02.460
Speaker:
detective work too, because, you

1073
00:37:02.460 –> 00:37:05.260
Speaker:
know, like maybe I’m seeing a

1074
00:37:05.260 –> 00:37:07.940
Speaker:
man sitting on top of a woman in

1075
00:37:07.940 –> 00:37:10.340
Speaker:
his arms are going up and down

1076
00:37:10.340 –> 00:37:11.539
Speaker:
just violently.

1077
00:37:11.539 –> 00:37:12.860
Speaker:
His right arm is going up and
down.

1078
00:37:12.860 –> 00:37:14.300
Speaker:
Right, right.

1079
00:37:14.300 –> 00:37:16.420
Speaker:
And then I see blood everywhere.

1080
00:37:16.420 –> 00:37:21.059
Speaker:
So my brain’s reaction to that
is, oh, he’s stabbing her.

1081
00:37:21.059 –> 00:37:22.139
Speaker:
That’s my brain’s reaction.

1082
00:37:22.139 –> 00:37:22.820
Speaker:
Right?

1083
00:37:22.820 –> 00:37:23.860
Speaker:
Mhm.

1084
00:37:23.860 –> 00:37:28.780
Speaker:
And if I say I see this woman is
being stabbed and they go, no,

1085
00:37:28.780 –> 00:37:29.780
Speaker:
she wasn’t stabbed.

1086
00:37:29.780 –> 00:37:31.380
Speaker:
She was beaten to death.

1087
00:37:31.380 –> 00:37:31.940
Speaker:
Mhm.

1088
00:37:31.940 –> 00:37:34.420
Speaker:
You’ve just completely
invalidated yourself, even

1089
00:37:34.420 –> 00:37:36.340
Speaker:
though you saw what you saw.

1090
00:37:36.340 –> 00:37:39.099
Speaker:
But you never saw a knife in his
hand.

1091
00:37:39.099 –> 00:37:41.300
Speaker:
So you allowed your brain to do
that.

1092
00:37:41.300 –> 00:37:46.820
Speaker:
I think one of the one of the
cases that I think really want

1093
00:37:46.820 –> 00:37:49.059
Speaker:
to look at, all of the ones that
I’ve done this was with first

1094
00:37:49.059 –> 00:37:52.940
Speaker:
priority down in Texas, and they
had a young man who’d been

1095
00:37:52.940 –> 00:37:55.179
Speaker:
missing for about a week.

1096
00:37:55.179 –> 00:37:57.920
Speaker:
And the gentleman called me and
he says, hey, we’re going to go

1097
00:37:57.920 –> 00:38:00.920
Speaker:
out on Friday and Saturday and
we’re going to go look for him.

1098
00:38:00.920 –> 00:38:03.079
Speaker:
You know, just give me
everything you can.

1099
00:38:03.079 –> 00:38:06.119
Speaker:
And so I gave them all the
details that I got.

1100
00:38:06.119 –> 00:38:07.719
Speaker:
You know, where he was, there

1101
00:38:07.719 –> 00:38:09.219
Speaker:
was a whole bunch of concrete,

1102
00:38:09.219 –> 00:38:10.119
Speaker:
you know, like when they were

1103
00:38:10.119 –> 00:38:11.840
Speaker:
building new roads and you see

1104
00:38:11.840 –> 00:38:13.519
Speaker:
all the big concrete tubes and

1105
00:38:13.519 –> 00:38:13.760
Speaker:
all that.

1106
00:38:13.760 –> 00:38:15.039
Speaker:
I don’t know what they’re called
on the side of the road.

1107
00:38:15.039 –> 00:38:15.880
Speaker:
That’s what I was seeing.

1108
00:38:15.880 –> 00:38:16.360
Speaker:
Right?

1109
00:38:16.360 –> 00:38:17.360
Speaker:
Yeah.

1110
00:38:17.360 –> 00:38:18.920
Speaker:
And I said, I’m seeing this.

1111
00:38:18.920 –> 00:38:21.079
Speaker:
And yet again, this goes back to
that.

1112
00:38:21.079 –> 00:38:23.320
Speaker:
There was a huge body of water,
right?

1113
00:38:25.800 –> 00:38:27.599
Speaker:
And all these concrete things.

1114
00:38:27.599 –> 00:38:31.000
Speaker:
And, and I said, but I know that
that’s where he is.

1115
00:38:31.000 –> 00:38:34.079
Speaker:
So they go out on Friday and no
go.

1116
00:38:34.079 –> 00:38:35.320
Speaker:
He messages me that night.

1117
00:38:35.320 –> 00:38:36.480
Speaker:
He goes, no go.

1118
00:38:36.480 –> 00:38:37.760
Speaker:
Didn’t see him.

1119
00:38:37.760 –> 00:38:40.159
Speaker:
And I said, there’s a building
there.

1120
00:38:40.159 –> 00:38:41.119
Speaker:
And on the outside of the

1121
00:38:41.119 –> 00:38:43.340
Speaker:
building, it’s got like a, a red

1122
00:38:43.340 –> 00:38:44.960
Speaker:
meter, like something there’s a

1123
00:38:44.960 –> 00:38:46.280
Speaker:
meter on it or something like a

1124
00:38:46.280 –> 00:38:47.199
Speaker:
water meter and it’s been

1125
00:38:47.199 –> 00:38:48.239
Speaker:
painted red.

1126
00:38:48.239 –> 00:38:50.440
Speaker:
And he goes, well, we’re going
out tomorrow and we’ll go look.

1127
00:38:50.440 –> 00:38:55.170
Speaker:
And so I’m I sent them all my
notes and then he calls me that

1128
00:38:55.170 –> 00:38:57.809
Speaker:
night, that Saturday night, and
he goes, we found him.

1129
00:38:57.809 –> 00:39:01.489
Speaker:
Oh. And he goes, you’re not
going to believe this.

1130
00:39:01.489 –> 00:39:05.730
Speaker:
And so that very first day where
I had told him and they didn’t

1131
00:39:05.730 –> 00:39:08.170
Speaker:
search there, they ended up
going somewhere else.

1132
00:39:08.170 –> 00:39:12.570
Speaker:
And on the second day, they went
to a place and it was at a state

1133
00:39:12.570 –> 00:39:16.769
Speaker:
park, and they had this huge
lake, and they were redoing some

1134
00:39:16.769 –> 00:39:20.769
Speaker:
of the the little walkways that
people could walk over the lake.

1135
00:39:20.769 –> 00:39:20.969
Speaker:
Okay.

1136
00:39:20.969 –> 00:39:22.769
Speaker:
So they had all these huge
concrete things.

1137
00:39:22.769 –> 00:39:23.210
Speaker:
Oh, wow.

1138
00:39:23.210 –> 00:39:25.929
Speaker:
And he goes, and we’re out
walking.

1139
00:39:25.929 –> 00:39:28.010
Speaker:
He goes, we pull up in this
parking lot and they got all

1140
00:39:28.010 –> 00:39:30.449
Speaker:
those concretes there, and
there’s this building.

1141
00:39:30.449 –> 00:39:33.090
Speaker:
And he goes, I’m walking around
the back of the building, and I

1142
00:39:33.090 –> 00:39:36.409
Speaker:
saw this red meter on the back
of the building.

1143
00:39:36.409 –> 00:39:37.610
Speaker:
He goes, and I was like, this is
it.

1144
00:39:37.610 –> 00:39:38.650
Speaker:
This is it.

1145
00:39:38.650 –> 00:39:39.570
Speaker:
Well, they walked around the

1146
00:39:39.570 –> 00:39:40.570
Speaker:
whole day, never could find

1147
00:39:40.570 –> 00:39:41.369
Speaker:
them.

1148
00:39:41.369 –> 00:39:43.050
Speaker:
Looked and looked and looked.

1149
00:39:43.050 –> 00:39:44.869
Speaker:
And as they were leaving,

1150
00:39:44.869 –> 00:39:46.469
Speaker:
someone said, I think it’s going

1151
00:39:46.469 –> 00:39:47.449
Speaker:
to storm.

1152
00:39:47.449 –> 00:39:48.409
Speaker:
And they looked up.

1153
00:39:48.409 –> 00:39:49.530
Speaker:
And when they looked up, they

1154
00:39:49.530 –> 00:39:50.929
Speaker:
found the boy thirty feet up in

1155
00:39:50.929 –> 00:39:52.460
Speaker:
the tree.

1156
00:39:52.460 –> 00:39:54.539
Speaker:
Oh my gosh.

1157
00:39:54.539 –> 00:39:57.219
Speaker:
And he said they never would
have found him.

1158
00:39:57.219 –> 00:39:58.300
Speaker:
Wow.

1159
00:39:58.300 –> 00:40:00.420
Speaker:
Never would have found this kid.

1160
00:40:00.420 –> 00:40:02.900
Speaker:
And the kid had climbed out onto

1161
00:40:02.900 –> 00:40:05.300
Speaker:
the branch and, um, committed

1162
00:40:05.300 –> 00:40:06.099
Speaker:
suicide.

1163
00:40:06.099 –> 00:40:08.820
Speaker:
Oh, with a belt.

1164
00:40:08.820 –> 00:40:09.380
Speaker:
And.

1165
00:40:09.380 –> 00:40:10.619
Speaker:
Oh my gosh.

1166
00:40:10.619 –> 00:40:12.460
Speaker:
And he said, you know, we never
would have found them.

1167
00:40:12.460 –> 00:40:14.739
Speaker:
So I described everything, like
the whole thing.

1168
00:40:14.739 –> 00:40:15.739
Speaker:
They’re walking around.

1169
00:40:15.739 –> 00:40:16.860
Speaker:
They’re like, it’s not there.

1170
00:40:16.860 –> 00:40:17.579
Speaker:
He’s not here.

1171
00:40:17.579 –> 00:40:18.699
Speaker:
He’s not here.

1172
00:40:18.699 –> 00:40:19.739
Speaker:
I could have gone forever

1173
00:40:19.739 –> 00:40:21.340
Speaker:
without that validation if that

1174
00:40:21.340 –> 00:40:22.579
Speaker:
one person hadn’t have looked

1175
00:40:22.579 –> 00:40:22.940
Speaker:
up.

1176
00:40:22.940 –> 00:40:24.019
Speaker:
Wow.

1177
00:40:24.019 –> 00:40:27.500
Speaker:
So it’s another thing like you
can’t assume he’s laying on the

1178
00:40:27.500 –> 00:40:29.840
Speaker:
ground or in one of those
concrete things, but he’s he was

1179
00:40:29.840 –> 00:40:30.739
Speaker:
there in that area.

1180
00:40:30.739 –> 00:40:32.500
Speaker:
He’s, you know, up.

1181
00:40:32.500 –> 00:40:33.659
Speaker:
That’s insane.

1182
00:40:33.659 –> 00:40:35.059
Speaker:
I never, I never saw that.

1183
00:40:35.059 –> 00:40:38.420
Speaker:
Like I never my brain never
would have put that together.

1184
00:40:38.420 –> 00:40:39.539
Speaker:
You know what I mean?

1185
00:40:39.539 –> 00:40:42.820
Speaker:
That’s why it’s so important
that it’s just.

1186
00:40:42.820 –> 00:40:45.139
Speaker:
And it’s the same thing when you
do readings at people’s homes.

1187
00:40:45.139 –> 00:40:49.380
Speaker:
You know, it’s you tell them
exactly what you.

1188
00:40:49.380 –> 00:40:50.579
Speaker:
You see, you feel.

1189
00:40:50.579 –> 00:40:54.510
Speaker:
You feel, you hear, you sense,
and you let them fill in what

1190
00:40:54.510 –> 00:40:56.030
Speaker:
that means, right?

1191
00:40:56.030 –> 00:40:57.469
Speaker:
Right.

1192
00:40:57.469 –> 00:41:02.269
Speaker:
Because if you don’t, that’s
where you end up leading people

1193
00:41:02.269 –> 00:41:07.989
Speaker:
either down dark holes or you
invalidate your own intuition

1194
00:41:07.989 –> 00:41:10.829
Speaker:
because you start giving all of
these crazy details and then

1195
00:41:10.829 –> 00:41:12.750
Speaker:
they’re like, wait a minute,
that doesn’t make sense at all.

1196
00:41:12.750 –> 00:41:15.909
Speaker:
Yeah, like names are some of the
worst.

1197
00:41:15.909 –> 00:41:17.469
Speaker:
You know, I can’t tell you how

1198
00:41:17.469 –> 00:41:19.210
Speaker:
many times I’ve heard a psychic

1199
00:41:19.210 –> 00:41:19.750
Speaker:
go.

1200
00:41:19.750 –> 00:41:22.949
Speaker:
I think the name ends with an
with an editor.

1201
00:41:22.949 –> 00:41:23.750
Speaker:
Is it Fred?

1202
00:41:23.750 –> 00:41:25.070
Speaker:
Ted, Ned.

1203
00:41:25.070 –> 00:41:27.110
Speaker:
You know, and they start going
through the gamut and people are

1204
00:41:27.110 –> 00:41:28.309
Speaker:
like, no, that’s right.

1205
00:41:28.309 –> 00:41:29.349
Speaker:
Nobody I know of.

1206
00:41:29.349 –> 00:41:31.510
Speaker:
And they’re like, oh, well, it
must not be here.

1207
00:41:31.510 –> 00:41:32.030
Speaker:
It must be.

1208
00:41:32.030 –> 00:41:32.789
Speaker:
It must not be you.

1209
00:41:32.789 –> 00:41:34.190
Speaker:
It must not be somebody you
know.

1210
00:41:34.190 –> 00:41:35.230
Speaker:
They’re just here right now.

1211
00:41:35.230 –> 00:41:37.190
Speaker:
Like, you know, this is making

1212
00:41:37.190 –> 00:41:39.590
Speaker:
crap up at that point, you know,

1213
00:41:39.590 –> 00:41:40.349
Speaker:
and they’re just kind of

1214
00:41:40.349 –> 00:41:41.469
Speaker:
covering themselves because if

1215
00:41:41.469 –> 00:41:41.750
Speaker:
they.

1216
00:41:41.750 –> 00:41:42.349
Speaker:
Yeah, absolutely.

1217
00:41:42.349 –> 00:41:43.710
Speaker:
You know, because they feel like

1218
00:41:43.710 –> 00:41:44.949
Speaker:
they’ve made a mistake or

1219
00:41:44.949 –> 00:41:46.590
Speaker:
something if if they can’t just

1220
00:41:46.590 –> 00:41:46.909
Speaker:
move on.

1221
00:41:46.909 –> 00:41:48.670
Speaker:
I mean, sometimes it’s probably.

1222
00:41:48.670 –> 00:41:51.019
Speaker:
And I guess that’s something to

1223
00:41:51.019 –> 00:41:52.440
Speaker:
look out for too, is sometimes

1224
00:41:52.440 –> 00:41:53.639
Speaker:
maybe there’s just nothing

1225
00:41:53.639 –> 00:41:54.000
Speaker:
there.

1226
00:41:54.000 –> 00:41:55.360
Speaker:
Maybe.

1227
00:41:55.360 –> 00:41:58.639
Speaker:
And your brain wants to not have
awkward silence or whatever.

1228
00:41:58.639 –> 00:41:59.960
Speaker:
So you’re just maybe making

1229
00:41:59.960 –> 00:42:01.639
Speaker:
stuff up because you should be

1230
00:42:01.639 –> 00:42:02.280
Speaker:
saying something.

1231
00:42:02.280 –> 00:42:03.360
Speaker:
Absolutely.

1232
00:42:03.360 –> 00:42:03.679
Speaker:
Yeah.

1233
00:42:03.679 –> 00:42:07.519
Speaker:
You know, if sixty five percent
of my intuition is good, I’m

1234
00:42:07.519 –> 00:42:08.760
Speaker:
happy with that.

1235
00:42:08.760 –> 00:42:10.519
Speaker:
If I ever walked into a building

1236
00:42:10.519 –> 00:42:12.460
Speaker:
and they and everything that I

1237
00:42:12.460 –> 00:42:14.440
Speaker:
got an intuition for, they said

1238
00:42:14.440 –> 00:42:15.400
Speaker:
it was one hundred percent

1239
00:42:15.400 –> 00:42:15.800
Speaker:
right.

1240
00:42:15.800 –> 00:42:18.320
Speaker:
I’m going to think that they’re
feed me a line of bullshit

1241
00:42:18.320 –> 00:42:20.599
Speaker:
because I’m not going to.

1242
00:42:20.599 –> 00:42:22.639
Speaker:
I don’t think they’re telling me
the truth at that point.

1243
00:42:22.639 –> 00:42:23.480
Speaker:
Right.

1244
00:42:23.480 –> 00:42:28.679
Speaker:
You know, it’s like there’s you
can only go so far and it’s all

1245
00:42:28.679 –> 00:42:32.239
Speaker:
intuition and it’s all how you
read it and understand it.

1246
00:42:32.239 –> 00:42:35.099
Speaker:
And I can’t tell you how many
times, you know, it’s like, oh,

1247
00:42:35.099 –> 00:42:39.000
Speaker:
well, this one thing always
means this for me.

1248
00:42:39.000 –> 00:42:40.880
Speaker:
Like I’ve heard people say that
before.

1249
00:42:40.880 –> 00:42:45.599
Speaker:
It’s like, you know, every time
I my left arm goes numb.

1250
00:42:45.599 –> 00:42:49.730
Speaker:
It means, you know, someone died
in the house.

1251
00:42:49.730 –> 00:42:51.889
Speaker:
So every time their left arm
goes numb, they think someone’s

1252
00:42:51.889 –> 00:42:52.769
Speaker:
died in the house.

1253
00:42:52.769 –> 00:42:57.010
Speaker:
And it’s all subjective in our
bodies change all the time, and

1254
00:42:57.010 –> 00:42:59.730
Speaker:
the energy in our bodies change
all the time.

1255
00:42:59.730 –> 00:43:01.730
Speaker:
Unless you really, really know

1256
00:43:01.730 –> 00:43:02.650
Speaker:
you need to keep your mouth

1257
00:43:02.650 –> 00:43:03.170
Speaker:
shut.

1258
00:43:03.170 –> 00:43:05.969
Speaker:
You know, honestly, you don’t
know what kind of damage you’re

1259
00:43:05.969 –> 00:43:07.409
Speaker:
doing to these people.

1260
00:43:07.409 –> 00:43:08.369
Speaker:
You know, like, I don’t want

1261
00:43:08.369 –> 00:43:09.710
Speaker:
anyone feeling terrible when I

1262
00:43:09.710 –> 00:43:11.889
Speaker:
leave and and I but I do want to

1263
00:43:11.889 –> 00:43:14.690
Speaker:
give them some kind of insight

1264
00:43:14.690 –> 00:43:17.190
Speaker:
as to, you know, I have a

1265
00:43:17.190 –> 00:43:17.489
Speaker:
saying.

1266
00:43:17.489 –> 00:43:19.309
Speaker:
I used to always say, you know,

1267
00:43:19.309 –> 00:43:21.090
Speaker:
I don’t do the grandma loves the

1268
00:43:21.090 –> 00:43:22.489
Speaker:
polka dot dress you wore to her

1269
00:43:22.489 –> 00:43:23.849
Speaker:
funeral stuff.

1270
00:43:23.849 –> 00:43:24.690
Speaker:
I don’t do that.

1271
00:43:24.690 –> 00:43:25.449
Speaker:
Mhm.

1272
00:43:25.449 –> 00:43:30.809
Speaker:
Like, because I think once you
pass on, you pass on very, very

1273
00:43:30.809 –> 00:43:34.369
Speaker:
rarely do I think people come
back to give messages.

1274
00:43:34.369 –> 00:43:36.329
Speaker:
I think and a lot of this is

1275
00:43:36.329 –> 00:43:39.010
Speaker:
just how I grew up to that the

1276
00:43:39.010 –> 00:43:41.050
Speaker:
living in the dead should not be

1277
00:43:41.050 –> 00:43:43.289
Speaker:
living together.

1278
00:43:43.289 –> 00:43:44.210
Speaker:
They shouldn’t be.

1279
00:43:44.210 –> 00:43:46.900
Speaker:
The energies don’t work well
together.

1280
00:43:46.900 –> 00:43:49.059
Speaker:
That’s why you can’t be together
for very long.

1281
00:43:49.059 –> 00:43:50.340
Speaker:
You know what I mean, right?

1282
00:43:50.340 –> 00:43:52.219
Speaker:
That’s why people get drained.

1283
00:43:52.219 –> 00:43:54.599
Speaker:
And so if every house has a

1284
00:43:54.599 –> 00:43:55.659
Speaker:
ghost in it, and every

1285
00:43:55.659 –> 00:43:57.059
Speaker:
restaurant has a ghost in it,

1286
00:43:57.059 –> 00:43:58.280
Speaker:
and all these things have a

1287
00:43:58.280 –> 00:44:00.539
Speaker:
ghost in them, you know,

1288
00:44:00.539 –> 00:44:01.739
Speaker:
everybody would be drained all

1289
00:44:01.739 –> 00:44:02.260
Speaker:
the time.

1290
00:44:02.260 –> 00:44:05.519
Speaker:
It’s also disturbing to think
that like, say, if you pass away

1291
00:44:05.519 –> 00:44:08.619
Speaker:
in a restaurant or something and
like you’re forever going to be

1292
00:44:08.619 –> 00:44:10.880
Speaker:
a ghost in a restaurant, like
that’s kind of horrifying to

1293
00:44:10.880 –> 00:44:13.260
Speaker:
think about as the ghost, right?

1294
00:44:13.260 –> 00:44:16.880
Speaker:
Well, yeah, you, you know, what
gets me too, though, is like

1295
00:44:16.880 –> 00:44:19.659
Speaker:
when people say that they’ve
crossed somebody over or we’re

1296
00:44:19.659 –> 00:44:21.659
Speaker:
going to cross this person over.

1297
00:44:21.659 –> 00:44:25.340
Speaker:
And I can only just imagine
myself because I’m a I’m a red

1298
00:44:25.340 –> 00:44:26.340
Speaker:
headed Kentucky girl.

1299
00:44:26.340 –> 00:44:28.059
Speaker:
So I’m raised with all boys.

1300
00:44:28.059 –> 00:44:31.380
Speaker:
I’m pretty bullheaded, and I
work with all men now and I live

1301
00:44:31.380 –> 00:44:32.059
Speaker:
with all men.

1302
00:44:32.059 –> 00:44:34.019
Speaker:
And it’s like, I can only

1303
00:44:34.019 –> 00:44:36.179
Speaker:
imagine me die and be on the

1304
00:44:36.179 –> 00:44:37.300
Speaker:
other side.

1305
00:44:37.300 –> 00:44:39.579
Speaker:
And someone I don’t know is

1306
00:44:39.579 –> 00:44:41.380
Speaker:
telling me you need to go into

1307
00:44:41.380 –> 00:44:41.900
Speaker:
the light.

1308
00:44:41.900 –> 00:44:45.210
Speaker:
Oh, yes, you need to go there
because you’re too stupid to

1309
00:44:45.210 –> 00:44:46.389
Speaker:
figure that out on your own.

1310
00:44:46.389 –> 00:44:47.150
Speaker:
And you don’t know.

1311
00:44:47.150 –> 00:44:48.550
Speaker:
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

1312
00:44:48.550 –> 00:44:49.750
Speaker:
Have you been in the line?

1313
00:44:49.750 –> 00:44:51.230
Speaker:
Why are you telling me to go
there?

1314
00:44:51.230 –> 00:44:52.190
Speaker:
Do you know what’s in there?

1315
00:44:52.190 –> 00:44:53.389
Speaker:
I don’t think you do.

1316
00:44:53.389 –> 00:44:54.949
Speaker:
But you’re telling me I gotta go
there?

1317
00:44:54.949 –> 00:44:55.789
Speaker:
I don’t think so.

1318
00:44:55.789 –> 00:44:58.429
Speaker:
I’m going to do what I need to
do, and then I’ll find my way.

1319
00:44:58.429 –> 00:44:59.190
Speaker:
You know what I mean?

1320
00:44:59.190 –> 00:45:00.429
Speaker:
That’s a really good point.

1321
00:45:00.429 –> 00:45:01.510
Speaker:
Yeah.

1322
00:45:01.510 –> 00:45:03.210
Speaker:
And so for me, that that kind of

1323
00:45:03.210 –> 00:45:06.710
Speaker:
gets still mixed up in that, you

1324
00:45:06.710 –> 00:45:08.070
Speaker:
know, being responsible in what

1325
00:45:08.070 –> 00:45:09.469
Speaker:
you do and what you say for

1326
00:45:09.469 –> 00:45:11.269
Speaker:
people, you know, a lot of this

1327
00:45:11.269 –> 00:45:12.670
Speaker:
is entertainment.

1328
00:45:12.670 –> 00:45:13.949
Speaker:
You know, people get excited.

1329
00:45:13.949 –> 00:45:14.750
Speaker:
They’re going to come over and

1330
00:45:14.750 –> 00:45:15.670
Speaker:
have ghost hunters at their

1331
00:45:15.670 –> 00:45:16.909
Speaker:
house on a Saturday night, and

1332
00:45:16.909 –> 00:45:18.789
Speaker:
everybody hangs out and it’s fun

1333
00:45:18.789 –> 00:45:21.030
Speaker:
and it’s spooky and it’s a good

1334
00:45:21.030 –> 00:45:21.230
Speaker:
time.

1335
00:45:21.230 –> 00:45:23.070
Speaker:
I’ve done one hundred
investigations, you know.

1336
00:45:23.070 –> 00:45:23.630
Speaker:
I love it.

1337
00:45:23.630 –> 00:45:24.949
Speaker:
It’s so much fun.

1338
00:45:24.949 –> 00:45:27.750
Speaker:
The camaraderie, the trips up
there and back, riding in the

1339
00:45:27.750 –> 00:45:28.750
Speaker:
car, it’s a hoot.

1340
00:45:28.750 –> 00:45:29.550
Speaker:
Like, I love it.

1341
00:45:29.550 –> 00:45:30.869
Speaker:
Oh yeah.

1342
00:45:30.869 –> 00:45:32.190
Speaker:
But there’s also, you know, a

1343
00:45:32.190 –> 00:45:33.710
Speaker:
responsibility you have if

1344
00:45:33.710 –> 00:45:36.030
Speaker:
you’re in someone’s home to help

1345
00:45:36.030 –> 00:45:36.389
Speaker:
them.

1346
00:45:36.389 –> 00:45:37.670
Speaker:
Yeah, totally different.

1347
00:45:37.670 –> 00:45:39.449
Speaker:
Then just let’s go to Waverly

1348
00:45:39.449 –> 00:45:40.750
Speaker:
Hills and see what we pick up on

1349
00:45:40.750 –> 00:45:41.469
Speaker:
Saturday night.

1350
00:45:41.469 –> 00:45:42.659
Speaker:
That’s totally different than

1351
00:45:42.659 –> 00:45:44.400
Speaker:
going into someone’s house where

1352
00:45:44.400 –> 00:45:45.760
Speaker:
they’re expecting you to be a

1353
00:45:45.760 –> 00:45:47.159
Speaker:
source of authority and

1354
00:45:47.159 –> 00:45:48.559
Speaker:
reliability.

1355
00:45:48.559 –> 00:45:49.639
Speaker:
Totally different.

1356
00:45:49.639 –> 00:45:52.000
Speaker:
You had mentioned that your your

1357
00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.480
Speaker:
practice involves animism and

1358
00:45:54.480 –> 00:45:55.679
Speaker:
Kentucky folklore and

1359
00:45:55.679 –> 00:45:57.039
Speaker:
superstition.

1360
00:45:57.039 –> 00:45:58.960
Speaker:
Um, how exactly does that tie in

1361
00:45:58.960 –> 00:46:00.000
Speaker:
with what you do with

1362
00:46:00.000 –> 00:46:02.000
Speaker:
witchcraft?

1363
00:46:02.000 –> 00:46:05.800
Speaker:
I think a lot of it is carrying
the things that I learned as a

1364
00:46:05.800 –> 00:46:09.079
Speaker:
child really has laid a
foundation for my practice.

1365
00:46:09.079 –> 00:46:10.860
Speaker:
And one of those things being

1366
00:46:10.860 –> 00:46:12.480
Speaker:
the living don’t live with the

1367
00:46:12.480 –> 00:46:13.119
Speaker:
dead.

1368
00:46:13.119 –> 00:46:15.039
Speaker:
The only time you would talk to

1369
00:46:15.039 –> 00:46:16.960
Speaker:
a ghost is if you needed

1370
00:46:16.960 –> 00:46:18.400
Speaker:
something or they needed

1371
00:46:18.400 –> 00:46:19.239
Speaker:
something.

1372
00:46:19.239 –> 00:46:22.760
Speaker:
There was no just hanging out,
everybody living together, that

1373
00:46:22.760 –> 00:46:23.679
Speaker:
kind of thing.

1374
00:46:23.679 –> 00:46:27.920
Speaker:
And then there’s a lot of other
stuff, just daily practices, you

1375
00:46:27.920 –> 00:46:31.400
Speaker:
know, like I got a girlfriend
now that you do not put her

1376
00:46:31.400 –> 00:46:34.119
Speaker:
purse on the floor ever.

1377
00:46:34.119 –> 00:46:35.199
Speaker:
Because putting your purse on

1378
00:46:35.199 –> 00:46:36.480
Speaker:
the floor means you lose your

1379
00:46:36.480 –> 00:46:38.119
Speaker:
money.

1380
00:46:38.119 –> 00:46:40.565
Speaker:
So even if you’re in the car,
you don’t put her purse in the

1381
00:46:40.565 –> 00:46:44.130
Speaker:
floorboard like you never put
her purse anywhere on the floor.

1382
00:46:44.130 –> 00:46:45.250
Speaker:
Things like that.

1383
00:46:45.250 –> 00:46:48.250
Speaker:
Um, growing up with hate
bullying, which is Sherwin

1384
00:46:48.250 –> 00:46:51.170
Speaker:
Williams actually made a paint
called haint blue.

1385
00:46:51.170 –> 00:46:54.630
Speaker:
Years and years and years ago,
because everyone kept painting

1386
00:46:54.630 –> 00:46:56.449
Speaker:
the ceiling of their.

1387
00:46:56.449 –> 00:47:00.289
Speaker:
This is southern painted the
ceiling of their porches, this

1388
00:47:00.289 –> 00:47:03.010
Speaker:
specific blue color because it
was supposed to keep ghosts out

1389
00:47:03.010 –> 00:47:03.889
Speaker:
of your house.

1390
00:47:03.889 –> 00:47:05.369
Speaker:
You know another thing?

1391
00:47:05.369 –> 00:47:07.010
Speaker:
Since we were talking about
ghosts, I’ll move into

1392
00:47:07.010 –> 00:47:08.289
Speaker:
witchcraft here in a second.

1393
00:47:08.289 –> 00:47:10.650
Speaker:
You would put a feather duster
in your doorway.

1394
00:47:10.650 –> 00:47:12.489
Speaker:
Like when I was growing up, we
had feather dusters.

1395
00:47:12.489 –> 00:47:13.409
Speaker:
I don’t even know if they make

1396
00:47:13.409 –> 00:47:14.650
Speaker:
them anymore, but that was kind

1397
00:47:14.650 –> 00:47:16.369
Speaker:
of a big deal growing up was to

1398
00:47:16.369 –> 00:47:17.449
Speaker:
put a feather duster in your

1399
00:47:17.449 –> 00:47:17.809
Speaker:
doorway.

1400
00:47:17.809 –> 00:47:19.130
Speaker:
So if things were getting

1401
00:47:19.130 –> 00:47:21.210
Speaker:
knocked around or somebody

1402
00:47:21.210 –> 00:47:22.610
Speaker:
wasn’t feeling right, you might

1403
00:47:22.610 –> 00:47:24.170
Speaker:
go put a feather duster in the

1404
00:47:24.170 –> 00:47:24.690
Speaker:
doorway.

1405
00:47:24.690 –> 00:47:26.769
Speaker:
I always wonder how these things
came to be like, how did that

1406
00:47:26.769 –> 00:47:29.170
Speaker:
become a thing?

1407
00:47:29.170 –> 00:47:30.570
Speaker:
You know, like a feather duster.

1408
00:47:30.570 –> 00:47:32.409
Speaker:
Some wise old woman said it.

1409
00:47:32.409 –> 00:47:37.170
Speaker:
Yeah, it worked, and everyone
believed it, I guess, right?

1410
00:47:37.170 –> 00:47:37.690
Speaker:
Yeah.

1411
00:47:37.690 –> 00:47:39.010
Speaker:
I mean, I tell my kids stuff all

1412
00:47:39.010 –> 00:47:39.940
Speaker:
the time when they were growing

1413
00:47:39.940 –> 00:47:40.059
Speaker:
up.

1414
00:47:40.059 –> 00:47:42.099
Speaker:
I know they believe and I just
made it up.

1415
00:47:45.099 –> 00:47:49.280
Speaker:
You know, stuff like, um, like
wearing a match in your hair

1416
00:47:49.280 –> 00:47:51.139
Speaker:
will keep away evil spirits.

1417
00:47:51.139 –> 00:47:53.659
Speaker:
So people used to tuck matches
back behind their ears.

1418
00:47:53.659 –> 00:47:55.619
Speaker:
Well, they also smoked.

1419
00:47:55.619 –> 00:47:57.059
Speaker:
So that was, you know what I
mean?

1420
00:47:57.059 –> 00:47:57.260
Speaker:
Right?

1421
00:47:57.260 –> 00:47:58.539
Speaker:
So it came in handy.

1422
00:47:58.539 –> 00:47:58.900
Speaker:
Yeah.

1423
00:47:58.900 –> 00:48:00.780
Speaker:
You keep that match back behind
your ear.

1424
00:48:00.780 –> 00:48:04.099
Speaker:
Or, um, if you were walking into

1425
00:48:04.099 –> 00:48:07.500
Speaker:
a house in a snake, crawled over

1426
00:48:07.500 –> 00:48:09.019
Speaker:
your foot as you were walking

1427
00:48:09.019 –> 00:48:10.119
Speaker:
in, that means the house is

1428
00:48:10.119 –> 00:48:10.539
Speaker:
haunted.

1429
00:48:10.539 –> 00:48:13.179
Speaker:
I had never heard that, but I’ve
never had that happen either.

1430
00:48:13.179 –> 00:48:15.619
Speaker:
That’s a pretty specific
incident.

1431
00:48:15.619 –> 00:48:18.619
Speaker:
Yeah, but somebody had to think
that and keep that superstition.

1432
00:48:18.619 –> 00:48:19.420
Speaker:
It had to happen.

1433
00:48:19.420 –> 00:48:22.260
Speaker:
It had to happen somewhere where
they were like, oh, that means

1434
00:48:22.260 –> 00:48:22.980
Speaker:
the house is haunted.

1435
00:48:22.980 –> 00:48:23.539
Speaker:
Yeah.

1436
00:48:23.539 –> 00:48:24.739
Speaker:
Oh, absolutely.

1437
00:48:24.739 –> 00:48:28.820
Speaker:
Um, like another thing that’s
southern is if you’re out, like

1438
00:48:28.820 –> 00:48:30.940
Speaker:
you’re out in the woods or
you’re outside and you hear

1439
00:48:30.940 –> 00:48:32.179
Speaker:
somebody call your name.

1440
00:48:32.179 –> 00:48:35.619
Speaker:
No, you didn’t, you did not hear
anybody call your name.

1441
00:48:35.619 –> 00:48:35.940
Speaker:
Okay.

1442
00:48:35.940 –> 00:48:39.789
Speaker:
Do not answer them because it
could be a ghost trying to call

1443
00:48:39.789 –> 00:48:40.590
Speaker:
your spirit away.

1444
00:48:40.590 –> 00:48:42.550
Speaker:
Ah, okay.

1445
00:48:42.550 –> 00:48:45.829
Speaker:
So unless you’re looking at that
person, you don’t answer because

1446
00:48:45.829 –> 00:48:46.909
Speaker:
you don’t know.

1447
00:48:46.909 –> 00:48:47.190
Speaker:
Yeah.

1448
00:48:47.190 –> 00:48:53.329
Speaker:
And then one kid in each family
was supposed to be able to raise

1449
00:48:53.329 –> 00:48:55.230
Speaker:
the knocking spirits.

1450
00:48:55.230 –> 00:48:58.510
Speaker:
So like, if you’re in your house
and you hear something knocking,

1451
00:48:58.510 –> 00:49:03.389
Speaker:
like on the wall or outside,
that’s a knocking spirit.

1452
00:49:03.389 –> 00:49:04.750
Speaker:
And it used to be said that one

1453
00:49:04.750 –> 00:49:06.070
Speaker:
kid in each house had the

1454
00:49:06.070 –> 00:49:07.590
Speaker:
ability to call them and make

1455
00:49:07.590 –> 00:49:08.550
Speaker:
them knock.

1456
00:49:08.550 –> 00:49:11.550
Speaker:
So that would be like a Saturday
evening party.

1457
00:49:11.550 –> 00:49:15.030
Speaker:
You know, people would come over
and have that one kid call to

1458
00:49:15.030 –> 00:49:16.469
Speaker:
the knocking spirits.

1459
00:49:16.469 –> 00:49:18.190
Speaker:
And what are the knocking
spirits doing?

1460
00:49:18.190 –> 00:49:19.070
Speaker:
Like, why are they knocking?

1461
00:49:19.070 –> 00:49:21.829
Speaker:
Are they just trying to like,
make their appearance, make

1462
00:49:21.829 –> 00:49:23.789
Speaker:
their, you know, presence known?

1463
00:49:23.789 –> 00:49:26.909
Speaker:
Or is there something they’re
trying to do by knocking?

1464
00:49:26.909 –> 00:49:29.230
Speaker:
See, this goes back to what I
said about the living.

1465
00:49:29.230 –> 00:49:30.989
Speaker:
And the dead aren’t supposed to
co-exist together.

1466
00:49:30.989 –> 00:49:32.710
Speaker:
Like you’re not supposed to live
together.

1467
00:49:32.710 –> 00:49:36.400
Speaker:
So I’m sure you’ve heard of
conjure and people.

1468
00:49:36.400 –> 00:49:41.960
Speaker:
Nowadays, conjure is part of a
practice, which is a conjure

1469
00:49:41.960 –> 00:49:46.239
Speaker:
practice, which is pretty much a
person of color.

1470
00:49:46.239 –> 00:49:48.159
Speaker:
Practice is pretty close.

1471
00:49:48.159 –> 00:49:52.880
Speaker:
It’s a closed practice, but
that’s if you do their rituals

1472
00:49:52.880 –> 00:49:58.800
Speaker:
and practices conjure in and of
itself is calling forth spirits.

1473
00:49:58.800 –> 00:50:01.000
Speaker:
And so one child in each family

1474
00:50:01.000 –> 00:50:02.559
Speaker:
was able to call spirits

1475
00:50:02.559 –> 00:50:03.559
Speaker:
forward.

1476
00:50:03.559 –> 00:50:06.199
Speaker:
So the ghost just didn’t wander
around people’s homes.

1477
00:50:06.199 –> 00:50:07.360
Speaker:
They did everything they could

1478
00:50:07.360 –> 00:50:08.559
Speaker:
to keep ghosts out of their

1479
00:50:08.559 –> 00:50:09.519
Speaker:
homes.

1480
00:50:09.519 –> 00:50:10.559
Speaker:
So they would have like the

1481
00:50:10.559 –> 00:50:11.679
Speaker:
haint blue ceiling, they would

1482
00:50:11.679 –> 00:50:13.800
Speaker:
have rice outside their door so

1483
00:50:13.800 –> 00:50:14.920
Speaker:
that the ghosts would get

1484
00:50:14.920 –> 00:50:16.159
Speaker:
confused and stop to count the

1485
00:50:16.159 –> 00:50:17.039
Speaker:
rice.

1486
00:50:17.039 –> 00:50:17.920
Speaker:
There were all these things that

1487
00:50:17.920 –> 00:50:19.659
Speaker:
they did to keep ghosts out of

1488
00:50:19.659 –> 00:50:20.519
Speaker:
their house.

1489
00:50:20.519 –> 00:50:21.719
Speaker:
So if they did need to

1490
00:50:21.719 –> 00:50:23.440
Speaker:
communicate with someone, if

1491
00:50:23.440 –> 00:50:24.519
Speaker:
they did need to find out

1492
00:50:24.519 –> 00:50:26.239
Speaker:
information, someone in the

1493
00:50:26.239 –> 00:50:27.320
Speaker:
house had to be able to call

1494
00:50:27.320 –> 00:50:28.079
Speaker:
them.

1495
00:50:28.079 –> 00:50:30.599
Speaker:
And so it was said that one
child in each family had that

1496
00:50:30.599 –> 00:50:33.360
Speaker:
ability where they could call
those spirits forward so they

1497
00:50:33.360 –> 00:50:35.650
Speaker:
could find out information of
whatever they needed.

1498
00:50:35.650 –> 00:50:38.090
Speaker:
But sometimes it was just a
parlor trick on Saturday night

1499
00:50:38.090 –> 00:50:41.130
Speaker:
just to get them to knock back
one or the other, you know?

1500
00:50:41.130 –> 00:50:41.650
Speaker:
Wow.

1501
00:50:41.650 –> 00:50:42.409
Speaker:
That’s interesting.

1502
00:50:42.409 –> 00:50:43.250
Speaker:
Yeah.

1503
00:50:43.250 –> 00:50:44.130
Speaker:
Uh, now there’s some

1504
00:50:44.130 –> 00:50:45.409
Speaker:
superstitions about witches,

1505
00:50:45.409 –> 00:50:46.329
Speaker:
too, that I wanted to tell you

1506
00:50:46.329 –> 00:50:46.570
Speaker:
about.

1507
00:50:46.570 –> 00:50:48.289
Speaker:
Oh, okay.

1508
00:50:48.289 –> 00:50:50.889
Speaker:
So if you wanted to become a
witch.

1509
00:50:50.889 –> 00:50:53.690
Speaker:
And now this is old Kentucky
superstition, right?

1510
00:50:53.690 –> 00:50:54.449
Speaker:
Okay.

1511
00:50:54.449 –> 00:50:56.489
Speaker:
And probably down south, too.

1512
00:50:56.489 –> 00:51:00.210
Speaker:
But if you wanted to become a
witch, you would have to go to a

1513
00:51:00.210 –> 00:51:03.210
Speaker:
mountain top at dawn, and you
would shoot through a

1514
00:51:03.210 –> 00:51:05.809
Speaker:
handkerchief at the rising sun.

1515
00:51:05.809 –> 00:51:09.610
Speaker:
And you would have to curse
Jehovah three times and own the

1516
00:51:09.610 –> 00:51:11.090
Speaker:
devil as master.

1517
00:51:11.090 –> 00:51:13.070
Speaker:
And then they said that when you
would shoot through that

1518
00:51:13.070 –> 00:51:15.650
Speaker:
handkerchief, blood would fall
through it, and that would mean

1519
00:51:15.650 –> 00:51:16.690
Speaker:
that it had worked.

1520
00:51:16.690 –> 00:51:17.929
Speaker:
And you were now a witch.

1521
00:51:17.929 –> 00:51:19.050
Speaker:
Mhm.

1522
00:51:19.050 –> 00:51:22.909
Speaker:
And another way to become a
witch was to go with the devil

1523
00:51:22.909 –> 00:51:27.769
Speaker:
to the top of the highest hill
at sunrise for nine days.

1524
00:51:27.769 –> 00:51:30.570
Speaker:
And each of those days, you had
to curse God.

1525
00:51:30.570 –> 00:51:33.260
Speaker:
And then the devil would place
one hand on your head and one

1526
00:51:33.260 –> 00:51:35.099
Speaker:
hand on your feet.

1527
00:51:35.099 –> 00:51:39.460
Speaker:
And he would say that everything
between hands and feet would be

1528
00:51:39.460 –> 00:51:40.659
Speaker:
devoted to his service.

1529
00:51:40.659 –> 00:51:42.579
Speaker:
And you would have to agree to
that.

1530
00:51:42.579 –> 00:51:46.519
Speaker:
So this kind of goes back to
where I said people, like we

1531
00:51:46.519 –> 00:51:49.559
Speaker:
say, my grandma was a witch or
my aunt was a witch or so-and-so

1532
00:51:49.559 –> 00:51:50.460
Speaker:
was a witch.

1533
00:51:50.460 –> 00:51:51.860
Speaker:
The majority of them were not.

1534
00:51:51.860 –> 00:51:54.579
Speaker:
Because if you look at what they

1535
00:51:54.579 –> 00:51:55.940
Speaker:
would have had to do in their

1536
00:51:55.940 –> 00:51:58.420
Speaker:
minds to become a witch, you

1537
00:51:58.420 –> 00:51:59.860
Speaker:
know, and look at where society

1538
00:51:59.860 –> 00:52:01.460
Speaker:
was at that time and how they

1539
00:52:01.460 –> 00:52:02.699
Speaker:
would have been ostracized from

1540
00:52:02.699 –> 00:52:04.019
Speaker:
their community.

1541
00:52:04.019 –> 00:52:05.579
Speaker:
They weren’t out there doing
this stuff.

1542
00:52:05.579 –> 00:52:06.500
Speaker:
Right.

1543
00:52:06.500 –> 00:52:09.579
Speaker:
A lot of the stuff they did was
just folk practices.

1544
00:52:09.579 –> 00:52:11.380
Speaker:
You know, that everybody did.

1545
00:52:12.539 –> 00:52:16.659
Speaker:
And, um, another one is, have
you ever heard of a witches

1546
00:52:16.659 –> 00:52:18.860
Speaker:
fetch a witches fetch?

1547
00:52:18.860 –> 00:52:20.260
Speaker:
I don’t think I have.

1548
00:52:20.260 –> 00:52:24.940
Speaker:
Okay, so it’s f e t c h and
there’s a couple of different

1549
00:52:24.940 –> 00:52:26.539
Speaker:
ideas on what a fetch is.

1550
00:52:26.539 –> 00:52:26.980
Speaker:
Right.

1551
00:52:26.980 –> 00:52:34.030
Speaker:
So a fetch could be when a which
lays down an astral, projects

1552
00:52:34.030 –> 00:52:39.550
Speaker:
herself out so that she could go
hear what’s going on around town

1553
00:52:39.550 –> 00:52:43.070
Speaker:
or do some kind of service that
she needed to do.

1554
00:52:43.070 –> 00:52:47.690
Speaker:
So say, like, say, you think
that Miss Molly down the road is

1555
00:52:47.690 –> 00:52:50.730
Speaker:
talking trash about you to
another girl every night at nine

1556
00:52:50.730 –> 00:52:53.989
Speaker:
o’clock when they go fetch water
from the from the well, but you

1557
00:52:53.989 –> 00:52:55.630
Speaker:
don’t know for sure, right?

1558
00:52:55.630 –> 00:52:56.869
Speaker:
So you had astral project

1559
00:52:56.869 –> 00:53:00.349
Speaker:
yourself and you would take the

1560
00:53:00.349 –> 00:53:02.429
Speaker:
shape of its yourself, but it’s

1561
00:53:02.429 –> 00:53:03.750
Speaker:
projected right.

1562
00:53:03.750 –> 00:53:06.590
Speaker:
And it would go out and it would
listen by the well to see if she

1563
00:53:06.590 –> 00:53:07.750
Speaker:
was talking about you.

1564
00:53:07.750 –> 00:53:09.190
Speaker:
Oh wow.

1565
00:53:09.190 –> 00:53:14.309
Speaker:
Like a drone only uh, in astral
spirit drone to kind of spy.

1566
00:53:14.309 –> 00:53:15.909
Speaker:
That could come in handy.

1567
00:53:15.909 –> 00:53:20.710
Speaker:
So some would say the fetch
would look like a familiar.

1568
00:53:20.710 –> 00:53:22.349
Speaker:
So it could take the shape of a

1569
00:53:22.349 –> 00:53:24.269
Speaker:
cat or a toad or something like

1570
00:53:24.269 –> 00:53:24.909
Speaker:
that.

1571
00:53:24.909 –> 00:53:29.719
Speaker:
Others say that the fetch is
actually you, But the only

1572
00:53:29.719 –> 00:53:33.679
Speaker:
person that can see you is the
one that you’re trying to get

1573
00:53:33.679 –> 00:53:35.079
Speaker:
the information from.

1574
00:53:35.079 –> 00:53:37.159
Speaker:
Oh that’s interesting.

1575
00:53:37.159 –> 00:53:41.960
Speaker:
So if you look at like some of
these old, um, stories from the

1576
00:53:41.960 –> 00:53:45.420
Speaker:
witchcraft trials, it may be
only one person since, you know,

1577
00:53:45.420 –> 00:53:49.000
Speaker:
she’ll say, I know I saw her by
my barn and she was out there

1578
00:53:49.000 –> 00:53:50.400
Speaker:
and she set my barn on fire.

1579
00:53:50.400 –> 00:53:53.519
Speaker:
And then she would be the only
person that saw her.

1580
00:53:53.519 –> 00:53:54.039
Speaker:
Right.

1581
00:53:54.039 –> 00:53:56.780
Speaker:
And they would say, well, that
must have been her fetch,

1582
00:53:56.780 –> 00:54:00.000
Speaker:
because you were the only person
that saw her, right?

1583
00:54:00.000 –> 00:54:01.880
Speaker:
Even though there were thirty
other people around, you were

1584
00:54:01.880 –> 00:54:02.800
Speaker:
the only one that saw her.

1585
00:54:02.800 –> 00:54:03.880
Speaker:
Well, she really did it.

1586
00:54:03.880 –> 00:54:04.840
Speaker:
That was just her fetch.

1587
00:54:04.840 –> 00:54:06.320
Speaker:
And you’re the only one that
could see it.

1588
00:54:06.320 –> 00:54:07.239
Speaker:
See where I’m going with that?

1589
00:54:07.239 –> 00:54:08.920
Speaker:
I do, yeah, yeah.

1590
00:54:08.920 –> 00:54:11.840
Speaker:
So clearly she’s a witch and she
needs to burn kind of a thing.

1591
00:54:11.840 –> 00:54:14.320
Speaker:
Absolutely, absolutely.

1592
00:54:14.320 –> 00:54:17.800
Speaker:
Um, another thing was you could
take, um, a witch could take a

1593
00:54:17.800 –> 00:54:21.860
Speaker:
hairball and they would like
take squirrel hair or horsehair

1594
00:54:21.860 –> 00:54:26.039
Speaker:
cow hair and they would wad it
up into a little ball and they

1595
00:54:26.039 –> 00:54:29.929
Speaker:
would go hide it under your
mattress or under your bed,

1596
00:54:29.929 –> 00:54:32.090
Speaker:
inside your bedding somehow.

1597
00:54:32.090 –> 00:54:35.329
Speaker:
And that was the only way a
witch could kill a person.

1598
00:54:35.329 –> 00:54:38.909
Speaker:
And the only way you could stop
that from happening is if you

1599
00:54:38.909 –> 00:54:40.730
Speaker:
found it and burnt it.

1600
00:54:40.730 –> 00:54:41.570
Speaker:
Oh my gosh.

1601
00:54:41.570 –> 00:54:42.090
Speaker:
Okay.

1602
00:54:42.090 –> 00:54:42.849
Speaker:
Yeah.

1603
00:54:42.849 –> 00:54:45.809
Speaker:
So if somebody started getting
sick, people would go around to

1604
00:54:45.809 –> 00:54:47.929
Speaker:
their bed and start digging
through the mattress, digging

1605
00:54:47.929 –> 00:54:50.409
Speaker:
through the picture, you know,
the pillows, digging through

1606
00:54:50.409 –> 00:54:55.409
Speaker:
everything, trying to find that
little ball of hair and burn it

1607
00:54:55.409 –> 00:54:56.610
Speaker:
so that they don’t die.

1608
00:54:56.610 –> 00:54:57.130
Speaker:
Oh my God.

1609
00:54:57.130 –> 00:54:58.250
Speaker:
Exactly.

1610
00:54:58.250 –> 00:55:03.489
Speaker:
And if if your horse tail is
matted up in the morning, if

1611
00:55:03.489 –> 00:55:06.329
Speaker:
it’s got a bunch of tangles in
it, that’s because witches were

1612
00:55:06.329 –> 00:55:08.250
Speaker:
riding your horse at night.

1613
00:55:08.250 –> 00:55:09.530
Speaker:
Okay.

1614
00:55:09.530 –> 00:55:12.710
Speaker:
So the only way to keep them
from doing that was you had to

1615
00:55:12.710 –> 00:55:16.250
Speaker:
tie corn checks into their main
and their tails.

1616
00:55:16.250 –> 00:55:18.090
Speaker:
MM. And that would keep the

1617
00:55:18.090 –> 00:55:19.130
Speaker:
witches from riding them at

1618
00:55:19.130 –> 00:55:19.969
Speaker:
night.

1619
00:55:19.969 –> 00:55:20.250
Speaker:
Mhm.

1620
00:55:20.250 –> 00:55:24.289
Speaker:
So, speaking of witches writing
things, uh, why are witches

1621
00:55:24.289 –> 00:55:26.420
Speaker:
associated with brooms?

1622
00:55:26.420 –> 00:55:28.539
Speaker:
Oh, they were easily accessible.

1623
00:55:28.539 –> 00:55:29.659
Speaker:
It’s as simple as that.

1624
00:55:29.659 –> 00:55:31.219
Speaker:
Just something as simple as
that.

1625
00:55:31.219 –> 00:55:33.440
Speaker:
You know, there was some bizarre

1626
00:55:33.440 –> 00:55:34.539
Speaker:
story or something connected

1627
00:55:34.539 –> 00:55:36.019
Speaker:
with brooms.

1628
00:55:36.019 –> 00:55:38.940
Speaker:
You know, I mean, it was
something that everybody had.

1629
00:55:38.940 –> 00:55:39.980
Speaker:
All witches had brooms.

1630
00:55:39.980 –> 00:55:43.880
Speaker:
You know, a lot of it was a lot
of things that women used every

1631
00:55:43.880 –> 00:55:49.179
Speaker:
day were considered tools of
witchcraft and more so the

1632
00:55:49.179 –> 00:55:51.519
Speaker:
reason to kill them, like they
would make up all these crazy

1633
00:55:51.519 –> 00:55:55.239
Speaker:
scenarios about, you know, women
in their cats, you know, well,

1634
00:55:55.239 –> 00:55:59.500
Speaker:
why didn’t women, as many women
die during the Black Plague?

1635
00:55:59.500 –> 00:56:03.219
Speaker:
Well, most of them had cats, and
the cats killed the rats until

1636
00:56:03.219 –> 00:56:05.860
Speaker:
the rats didn’t get in, that the
fleas didn’t get in the house.

1637
00:56:05.860 –> 00:56:06.659
Speaker:
You know what I mean?

1638
00:56:06.659 –> 00:56:07.900
Speaker:
Oh, yeah.

1639
00:56:07.900 –> 00:56:08.300
Speaker:
Wow.

1640
00:56:08.300 –> 00:56:10.619
Speaker:
So, yeah, there’s there’s all
kinds of things that are made up

1641
00:56:10.619 –> 00:56:14.739
Speaker:
just to make witches more evil
than what they ever were.

1642
00:56:14.739 –> 00:56:15.300
Speaker:
Yeah.

1643
00:56:15.300 –> 00:56:18.579
Speaker:
And Hollywood certainly hasn’t
helped with the, you know, the

1644
00:56:18.579 –> 00:56:19.619
Speaker:
image of witches.

1645
00:56:19.619 –> 00:56:23.139
Speaker:
You know, it’s always the evil
witch and, you know, Wicked

1646
00:56:23.139 –> 00:56:25.070
Speaker:
Witch of the West kind of thing.

1647
00:56:25.070 –> 00:56:27.710
Speaker:
So. Yeah, they’re kind of
fighting wicked.

1648
00:56:27.710 –> 00:56:31.789
Speaker:
I mean, like the house dropped
on her sister, right?

1649
00:56:31.789 –> 00:56:34.269
Speaker:
And then her shoes got stolen.

1650
00:56:34.269 –> 00:56:34.510
Speaker:
Yeah.

1651
00:56:34.510 –> 00:56:35.670
Speaker:
Like, was she really evil?

1652
00:56:35.670 –> 00:56:36.429
Speaker:
That’s a good point.

1653
00:56:36.429 –> 00:56:37.389
Speaker:
No, that’s a good point.

1654
00:56:37.389 –> 00:56:37.710
Speaker:
We don’t.

1655
00:56:37.710 –> 00:56:40.590
Speaker:
I mean, it’s all in how you look
at things.

1656
00:56:40.590 –> 00:56:43.030
Speaker:
Witchcraft is all in how you
look at it, you know?

1657
00:56:43.030 –> 00:56:43.469
Speaker:
Right.

1658
00:56:43.469 –> 00:56:46.710
Speaker:
Your perception, your reality.

1659
00:56:46.710 –> 00:56:47.309
Speaker:
Yeah.

1660
00:56:47.309 –> 00:56:50.949
Speaker:
You know, say some say the good
witch was evil because she had

1661
00:56:50.949 –> 00:56:53.389
Speaker:
the power to take Dorothy home
the entire movie.

1662
00:56:53.389 –> 00:56:54.230
Speaker:
And she did not.

1663
00:56:54.230 –> 00:56:55.309
Speaker:
So she made her go through all

1664
00:56:55.309 –> 00:56:58.150
Speaker:
this rigmarole when she didn’t

1665
00:56:58.150 –> 00:56:58.710
Speaker:
have to.

1666
00:56:58.710 –> 00:57:00.590
Speaker:
So exactly like, who’s evil?

1667
00:57:00.590 –> 00:57:03.110
Speaker:
I guess it does depend on your
perspective on who’s evil.

1668
00:57:03.110 –> 00:57:04.670
Speaker:
Yeah, right.

1669
00:57:04.670 –> 00:57:05.030
Speaker:
That’s what.

1670
00:57:05.030 –> 00:57:06.630
Speaker:
And that’s what all of magic is.

1671
00:57:06.630 –> 00:57:09.349
Speaker:
You know, it’s, you know, it.

1672
00:57:09.349 –> 00:57:10.590
Speaker:
Is it all about finding a

1673
00:57:10.590 –> 00:57:12.510
Speaker:
balance for some, that’s our

1674
00:57:12.510 –> 00:57:13.070
Speaker:
practice.

1675
00:57:13.070 –> 00:57:14.869
Speaker:
For others, they don’t care.

1676
00:57:14.869 –> 00:57:16.929
Speaker:
I mean, there’s, there’s good

1677
00:57:16.929 –> 00:57:18.190
Speaker:
there’s good and bad in every

1678
00:57:18.190 –> 00:57:19.349
Speaker:
religion.

1679
00:57:19.349 –> 00:57:19.590
Speaker:
Yeah.

1680
00:57:19.590 –> 00:57:19.989
Speaker:
That’s true.

1681
00:57:19.989 –> 00:57:24.119
Speaker:
You know, I could, I could throw
a dart in the Bible in and

1682
00:57:24.119 –> 00:57:25.440
Speaker:
laying on something bad?

1683
00:57:25.440 –> 00:57:26.719
Speaker:
Yeah, more times than not, you

1684
00:57:26.719 –> 00:57:27.840
Speaker:
know, it’s the same thing with

1685
00:57:27.840 –> 00:57:30.579
Speaker:
how people practice witchcraft,

1686
00:57:30.579 –> 00:57:31.559
Speaker:
you know?

1687
00:57:31.559 –> 00:57:31.719
Speaker:
Yeah.

1688
00:57:31.719 –> 00:57:33.599
Speaker:
Anytime there are people
involved, you’re going to have

1689
00:57:33.599 –> 00:57:36.920
Speaker:
all all types of abuse and that
sort of thing.

1690
00:57:36.920 –> 00:57:39.199
Speaker:
So it just comes with the
territory.

1691
00:57:39.199 –> 00:57:40.079
Speaker:
It does, you know.

1692
00:57:40.079 –> 00:57:43.659
Speaker:
And the same thing, you know,
not just like to bash

1693
00:57:43.659 –> 00:57:46.440
Speaker:
Christianity or Abrahamic
religions, I mean, because the

1694
00:57:46.440 –> 00:57:49.519
Speaker:
same thing has happened in
witchcraft groups too, and in

1695
00:57:49.519 –> 00:57:53.900
Speaker:
witchcraft circles where, um,
and to be honest, that’s why a

1696
00:57:53.900 –> 00:57:59.519
Speaker:
lot of women started their own
groups with just and we have men

1697
00:57:59.519 –> 00:58:03.039
Speaker:
in our group, you know, so we
don’t, we don’t do that.

1698
00:58:03.039 –> 00:58:05.519
Speaker:
If it ever came to a point where
we felt we need to, I’m sure

1699
00:58:05.519 –> 00:58:09.000
Speaker:
that we would, but we don’t have
that in our circle.

1700
00:58:09.000 –> 00:58:10.119
Speaker:
But I know there are groups

1701
00:58:10.119 –> 00:58:13.559
Speaker:
where men have become abusive

1702
00:58:13.559 –> 00:58:16.500
Speaker:
and domineering and controlling

1703
00:58:16.500 –> 00:58:17.400
Speaker:
over women.

1704
00:58:17.400 –> 00:58:20.719
Speaker:
I mean, it’s been it’s been
written about for ages online.

1705
00:58:20.719 –> 00:58:22.969
Speaker:
You know, different groups will
write about, you know, this has

1706
00:58:22.969 –> 00:58:27.449
Speaker:
happened or, you know, and it
even happens in the all women

1707
00:58:27.449 –> 00:58:30.170
Speaker:
groups too, though, you know,
there’s somebody wants to

1708
00:58:30.170 –> 00:58:31.449
Speaker:
control everybody else.

1709
00:58:31.449 –> 00:58:34.050
Speaker:
And so it happens everywhere.

1710
00:58:34.050 –> 00:58:38.809
Speaker:
You just gotta be aware of what
you’re getting into and be

1711
00:58:38.809 –> 00:58:40.489
Speaker:
comfortable enough to step away.

1712
00:58:40.489 –> 00:58:41.409
Speaker:
You know, I don’t ever let

1713
00:58:41.409 –> 00:58:42.889
Speaker:
yourself get so far in that you

1714
00:58:42.889 –> 00:58:43.809
Speaker:
can’t.

1715
00:58:43.809 –> 00:58:44.010
Speaker:
Yeah.

1716
00:58:44.010 –> 00:58:45.369
Speaker:
Where it turns into like a, like

1717
00:58:45.369 –> 00:58:47.110
Speaker:
a cult situation where you just,

1718
00:58:47.110 –> 00:58:48.489
Speaker:
you feel like you can’t leave

1719
00:58:48.489 –> 00:58:50.210
Speaker:
and you know, it’s turning into

1720
00:58:50.210 –> 00:58:51.170
Speaker:
something you didn’t want it to

1721
00:58:51.170 –> 00:58:51.610
Speaker:
be.

1722
00:58:51.610 –> 00:58:52.849
Speaker:
Yeah.

1723
00:58:52.849 –> 00:58:54.730
Speaker:
Is there anything else that you
wanted to bring?

1724
00:58:54.730 –> 00:58:56.690
Speaker:
Oh, I was going to ask about
animism.

1725
00:58:56.690 –> 00:58:57.730
Speaker:
Um, because you had mentioned

1726
00:58:57.730 –> 00:58:59.969
Speaker:
that in your, your email to me

1727
00:58:59.969 –> 00:59:01.650
Speaker:
that and I was looking into it

1728
00:59:01.650 –> 00:59:02.849
Speaker:
and basically where you think

1729
00:59:02.849 –> 00:59:05.789
Speaker:
that, um, everything has a soul,

1730
00:59:05.789 –> 00:59:06.050
Speaker:
right?

1731
00:59:06.050 –> 00:59:10.170
Speaker:
Isn’t that what I’ll let you
explain what is animism?

1732
00:59:10.170 –> 00:59:17.570
Speaker:
So for me, animism is that
everything has a spirit and that

1733
00:59:17.570 –> 00:59:18.820
Speaker:
encompasses a lot.

1734
00:59:18.820 –> 00:59:21.019
Speaker:
So, you know, a whole mountain

1735
00:59:21.019 –> 00:59:23.619
Speaker:
formation has its own spirit and

1736
00:59:23.619 –> 00:59:25.219
Speaker:
energy.

1737
00:59:25.219 –> 00:59:28.579
Speaker:
Just as each tree on that
mountain has its own.

1738
00:59:28.579 –> 00:59:33.539
Speaker:
It can be the one tree or it can
be the whole of the forest.

1739
00:59:33.539 –> 00:59:35.860
Speaker:
Everything has its own energy.

1740
00:59:35.860 –> 00:59:39.699
Speaker:
I guess I’m trying to think of
the best way to explain it.

1741
00:59:39.699 –> 00:59:43.380
Speaker:
I know when you’re holding, um,
like a piece of moss or

1742
00:59:43.380 –> 00:59:47.619
Speaker:
something, you say that has a
spirit to it and you get one

1743
00:59:47.619 –> 00:59:48.420
Speaker:
feeling holding that.

1744
00:59:48.420 –> 00:59:51.639
Speaker:
But if you walk into a forest
where you have moss and the

1745
00:59:51.639 –> 00:59:55.679
Speaker:
whole forest surrounding you,
you get a whole different feel

1746
00:59:55.679 –> 00:59:59.980
Speaker:
like, you know, there’s
definitely a different feel to.

1747
00:59:59.980 –> 01:00:01.099
Speaker:
You’ve got the moss there, but

1748
01:00:01.099 –> 01:00:02.420
Speaker:
it’s not just the moss, it’s the

1749
01:00:02.420 –> 01:00:04.619
Speaker:
whole everything.

1750
01:00:04.619 –> 01:00:05.780
Speaker:
I think I understand what you’re

1751
01:00:05.780 –> 01:00:06.780
Speaker:
saying, it’s kind of hard to

1752
01:00:06.780 –> 01:00:07.780
Speaker:
explain.

1753
01:00:07.780 –> 01:00:11.019
Speaker:
It is hard to explain because
I’m trying to explain it without

1754
01:00:11.019 –> 01:00:12.699
Speaker:
it sounding woo woo.

1755
01:00:12.699 –> 01:00:16.380
Speaker:
I don’t mind woo woo, but okay,
I’m trying to explain it without

1756
01:00:16.380 –> 01:00:21.550
Speaker:
it sounding woo woo because it’s
it’s really not a wild concept.

1757
01:00:21.550 –> 01:00:24.869
Speaker:
The concept is everything has
energy in it.

1758
01:00:24.869 –> 01:00:32.389
Speaker:
And I try to be as respectful of
their space and my part inside

1759
01:00:32.389 –> 01:00:33.349
Speaker:
of that space.

1760
01:00:33.349 –> 01:00:33.750
Speaker:
Right?

1761
01:00:33.750 –> 01:00:36.550
Speaker:
So I’m part of nature, me being

1762
01:00:36.550 –> 01:00:39.309
Speaker:
present on the earth, I’m part

1763
01:00:39.309 –> 01:00:41.989
Speaker:
of that energy as well as my own

1764
01:00:41.989 –> 01:00:43.150
Speaker:
individual energy.

1765
01:00:43.150 –> 01:00:48.230
Speaker:
And so I try to be responsible
for how I put myself out there

1766
01:00:48.230 –> 01:00:53.949
Speaker:
and what I do and what I take
inside of all of that.

1767
01:00:53.949 –> 01:00:55.190
Speaker:
You know, I think we’ve come to

1768
01:00:55.190 –> 01:00:57.710
Speaker:
a point where we have a lot of

1769
01:00:57.710 –> 01:00:58.110
Speaker:
this.

1770
01:00:58.110 –> 01:01:02.030
Speaker:
I need to have, I need to hold,
I need to possess.

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01:01:02.030 –> 01:01:06.349
Speaker:
And I’m trying to get as far
away from that as I can because

1772
01:01:06.349 –> 01:01:10.590
Speaker:
I years ago, we would make like
a pilgrimage to a sacred tree

1773
01:01:10.590 –> 01:01:13.989
Speaker:
and we would do our ritual there
right at that space.

1774
01:01:13.989 –> 01:01:18.280
Speaker:
And that whole space has this
like huge energy about it.

1775
01:01:18.280 –> 01:01:22.559
Speaker:
And then slowly people are like,
oh, I love this energy.

1776
01:01:22.559 –> 01:01:26.280
Speaker:
I just want to take this little
bit of bark with me so I can

1777
01:01:26.280 –> 01:01:28.159
Speaker:
feel this at home.

1778
01:01:28.159 –> 01:01:33.000
Speaker:
And that’s the exact opposite of
what animism calls us to do.

1779
01:01:33.000 –> 01:01:34.599
Speaker:
Animism calls us.

1780
01:01:34.599 –> 01:01:38.000
Speaker:
You go and you experience that
while you’re there, but it’s not

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01:01:38.000 –> 01:01:39.400
Speaker:
yours to possess.

1782
01:01:39.400 –> 01:01:44.960
Speaker:
It’s about respecting that space
versus I’m going to take some

1783
01:01:44.960 –> 01:01:47.000
Speaker:
home with me, and that space
will be home with me.

1784
01:01:47.000 –> 01:01:48.519
Speaker:
That’s not how that works.

1785
01:01:48.519 –> 01:01:51.719
Speaker:
It’s not how that works because
now you’ve taken it away from

1786
01:01:51.719 –> 01:01:53.440
Speaker:
its part, right?

1787
01:01:53.440 –> 01:01:54.679
Speaker:
You’ve taken it away from that.

1788
01:01:54.679 –> 01:01:59.119
Speaker:
So now it’s just become a small
part where it was a whole.

1789
01:01:59.119 –> 01:02:00.760
Speaker:
And so I try to do whatever I

1790
01:02:00.760 –> 01:02:03.400
Speaker:
can in my practice to replicate

1791
01:02:03.400 –> 01:02:06.460
Speaker:
that in and repeat that every

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01:02:06.460 –> 01:02:07.079
Speaker:
day.

1793
01:02:07.079 –> 01:02:11.000
Speaker:
You know, that I’m consciously
thinking about that because I

1794
01:02:11.000 –> 01:02:12.199
Speaker:
feel it’s very important.

1795
01:02:12.199 –> 01:02:13.920
Speaker:
You know, I mean, if you’ve ever

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01:02:13.920 –> 01:02:15.289
Speaker:
been in the woods, there is a

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01:02:15.289 –> 01:02:16.530
Speaker:
feeling that you get there that

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01:02:16.530 –> 01:02:17.849
Speaker:
you can never bring home with

1799
01:02:17.849 –> 01:02:18.170
Speaker:
you.

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01:02:18.170 –> 01:02:18.610
Speaker:
Mhm.

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01:02:18.610 –> 01:02:20.090
Speaker:
That’s very true.

1802
01:02:20.090 –> 01:02:25.050
Speaker:
And I think it’s important to
experience that there in animism

1803
01:02:25.050 –> 01:02:27.010
Speaker:
calls me to do that.

1804
01:02:27.010 –> 01:02:31.829
Speaker:
And the only way for me to have
that feeling is to respect that

1805
01:02:31.829 –> 01:02:33.210
Speaker:
and live inside of that.

1806
01:02:33.210 –> 01:02:34.250
Speaker:
Right.

1807
01:02:34.250 –> 01:02:36.610
Speaker:
So I do everything I can to just
keep it that way.

1808
01:02:36.610 –> 01:02:38.969
Speaker:
That’s that’s my practice inside
animism.

1809
01:02:38.969 –> 01:02:42.369
Speaker:
Now, some people will say, you
know, there’s and depends on

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01:02:42.369 –> 01:02:43.610
Speaker:
where you are in the world too.

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01:02:43.610 –> 01:02:44.570
Speaker:
You know, whatever culture

1812
01:02:44.570 –> 01:02:45.630
Speaker:
you’re in that practices

1813
01:02:45.630 –> 01:02:46.730
Speaker:
animism.

1814
01:02:46.730 –> 01:02:50.050
Speaker:
Everybody has their own feels of
it.

1815
01:02:50.050 –> 01:02:54.269
Speaker:
I did not grow up in a world of
animism or culture of animism or

1816
01:02:54.269 –> 01:02:55.090
Speaker:
any of that.

1817
01:02:55.090 –> 01:02:57.369
Speaker:
So I only wing it on my own.

1818
01:02:57.369 –> 01:02:58.849
Speaker:
Like what I feel works for me.

1819
01:02:58.849 –> 01:03:00.289
Speaker:
You know, like in other cultures

1820
01:03:00.289 –> 01:03:01.429
Speaker:
where it’s a primary part of

1821
01:03:01.429 –> 01:03:02.809
Speaker:
their culture, I’m sure they

1822
01:03:02.809 –> 01:03:05.750
Speaker:
have a really in-depth spiritual

1823
01:03:05.750 –> 01:03:06.969
Speaker:
reason.

1824
01:03:06.969 –> 01:03:11.730
Speaker:
I only have me in the woods and
what I feel when I’m there, me

1825
01:03:11.730 –> 01:03:14.099
Speaker:
in the back porch, looking at
this tree that I’ve looked at

1826
01:03:14.099 –> 01:03:18.059
Speaker:
for the last twenty years, I
know what I feel there, right?

1827
01:03:18.059 –> 01:03:19.300
Speaker:
And that’s all I have.

1828
01:03:19.300 –> 01:03:23.260
Speaker:
Um, but I find it if you read up
on it from other cultures, it’s

1829
01:03:23.260 –> 01:03:25.139
Speaker:
just so beautiful.

1830
01:03:25.139 –> 01:03:29.940
Speaker:
You know, Native Americans, I
which I don’t speak on any other

1831
01:03:29.940 –> 01:03:34.300
Speaker:
religions that I don’t know much
about, but their concept, you

1832
01:03:34.300 –> 01:03:37.619
Speaker:
know, of what I’ve read of
their, their stories is very

1833
01:03:37.619 –> 01:03:41.739
Speaker:
similar to that, you know, and
everything has a spirit.

1834
01:03:41.739 –> 01:03:46.179
Speaker:
Um, you know, not all witches
practice animism, not.

1835
01:03:46.179 –> 01:03:48.400
Speaker:
There are some witches that are
just like, I’m going to do my

1836
01:03:48.400 –> 01:03:50.420
Speaker:
thing and I don’t care what
anybody else is doing.

1837
01:03:50.420 –> 01:03:53.619
Speaker:
And I don’t care if there’s
slave labor, and I don’t care if

1838
01:03:53.619 –> 01:03:55.019
Speaker:
it hurts people when I do it.

1839
01:03:55.019 –> 01:03:56.619
Speaker:
Like I don’t care.

1840
01:03:56.619 –> 01:03:57.820
Speaker:
I’m going to do what I want to
do.

1841
01:03:57.820 –> 01:03:59.059
Speaker:
That’s their practice.

1842
01:03:59.059 –> 01:03:59.980
Speaker:
That’s not my practice.

1843
01:03:59.980 –> 01:04:00.940
Speaker:
That’s their practice.

1844
01:04:00.940 –> 01:04:02.780
Speaker:
Yeah, that’s their stuff to sit
in.

1845
01:04:02.780 –> 01:04:03.059
Speaker:
Right.

1846
01:04:03.059 –> 01:04:06.219
Speaker:
But it’s like that with any
religion you have or any kind of

1847
01:04:06.219 –> 01:04:09.099
Speaker:
spiritual practice, you’re going
to have people like that.

1848
01:04:09.099 –> 01:04:12.070
Speaker:
So I don’t want to make it sound
like all witches are this way

1849
01:04:12.070 –> 01:04:13.190
Speaker:
because they’re not.

1850
01:04:13.190 –> 01:04:18.550
Speaker:
My practice is pretty niche
because I’m vegan and eco

1851
01:04:18.550 –> 01:04:20.829
Speaker:
friendly and sustainability.

1852
01:04:20.829 –> 01:04:25.070
Speaker:
And you know, anti mass
consumerism.

1853
01:04:25.070 –> 01:04:26.070
Speaker:
It’s very niche.

1854
01:04:26.070 –> 01:04:28.309
Speaker:
There’s not a lot of witches
that practice this way.

1855
01:04:28.309 –> 01:04:29.710
Speaker:
That is very niche.

1856
01:04:29.710 –> 01:04:29.869
Speaker:
Yeah.

1857
01:04:29.869 –> 01:04:34.150
Speaker:
Because I’m not like the TikTok
crystal witches for sure.

1858
01:04:34.150 –> 01:04:34.670
Speaker:
But you are.

1859
01:04:34.670 –> 01:04:36.829
Speaker:
You’re named, you know, you are
a crystal.

1860
01:04:36.829 –> 01:04:38.309
Speaker:
So maybe I know.

1861
01:04:38.309 –> 01:04:39.949
Speaker:
Isn’t that the most bizarre
thing?

1862
01:04:39.949 –> 01:04:41.869
Speaker:
And so I like sometimes I’ll

1863
01:04:41.869 –> 01:04:42.989
Speaker:
tell people like, I don’t need

1864
01:04:42.989 –> 01:04:44.110
Speaker:
to possess them because I am

1865
01:04:44.110 –> 01:04:44.309
Speaker:
one.

1866
01:04:44.309 –> 01:04:45.309
Speaker:
You are a crystal.

1867
01:04:45.309 –> 01:04:47.389
Speaker:
Like I don’t need to possess
that.

1868
01:04:47.389 –> 01:04:49.429
Speaker:
That’s not my space.

1869
01:04:49.429 –> 01:04:50.630
Speaker:
My wife wanted me to ask you

1870
01:04:50.630 –> 01:04:53.030
Speaker:
this because we, we are in a

1871
01:04:53.030 –> 01:04:55.909
Speaker:
meditation group, um, that had a

1872
01:04:55.909 –> 01:04:57.110
Speaker:
gathering.

1873
01:04:57.110 –> 01:04:58.150
Speaker:
This was a couple of years ago

1874
01:04:58.150 –> 01:04:59.670
Speaker:
at Wesselman Woods in

1875
01:04:59.670 –> 01:05:01.070
Speaker:
Evansville.

1876
01:05:01.070 –> 01:05:04.909
Speaker:
And I don’t know if you ever you
guys ever do rituals or anything

1877
01:05:04.909 –> 01:05:06.230
Speaker:
at Wesselman Woods.

1878
01:05:06.230 –> 01:05:07.789
Speaker:
We do.

1879
01:05:07.789 –> 01:05:08.230
Speaker:
Okay.

1880
01:05:08.230 –> 01:05:09.719
Speaker:
Because we were in the

1881
01:05:09.719 –> 01:05:11.800
Speaker:
meditation group and it was

1882
01:05:11.800 –> 01:05:12.360
Speaker:
silent.

1883
01:05:12.360 –> 01:05:13.519
Speaker:
It was late.

1884
01:05:13.519 –> 01:05:14.079
Speaker:
It was night.

1885
01:05:14.079 –> 01:05:15.400
Speaker:
It was seven thirty, eight
o’clock.

1886
01:05:15.400 –> 01:05:16.639
Speaker:
They had the fire going and
everything.

1887
01:05:16.639 –> 01:05:18.079
Speaker:
So no one was saying anything.

1888
01:05:18.079 –> 01:05:23.119
Speaker:
And we swear we heard chanting
somewhere in the woods and share

1889
01:05:23.119 –> 01:05:24.400
Speaker:
it with us.

1890
01:05:24.400 –> 01:05:26.079
Speaker:
Wow, Cherise, we were kind of

1891
01:05:26.079 –> 01:05:27.000
Speaker:
like, it sounds like there’s

1892
01:05:27.000 –> 01:05:29.880
Speaker:
some sort of ritual or chanting

1893
01:05:29.880 –> 01:05:30.320
Speaker:
going on.

1894
01:05:30.320 –> 01:05:32.719
Speaker:
And I said, one of these days
I’m going to talk to a witch and

1895
01:05:32.719 –> 01:05:33.920
Speaker:
I’m going to ask.

1896
01:05:33.920 –> 01:05:37.920
Speaker:
And sure enough, oh my gosh, I’m
going to tell Sheri.

1897
01:05:37.920 –> 01:05:38.840
Speaker:
Oh yeah, she’ll love that.

1898
01:05:38.840 –> 01:05:47.079
Speaker:
So, um, we hold we hold public
rituals or events every month.

1899
01:05:47.079 –> 01:05:48.480
Speaker:
We have something we did, we put

1900
01:05:48.480 –> 01:05:50.639
Speaker:
on the big witches market the

1901
01:05:50.639 –> 01:05:52.159
Speaker:
past two small business

1902
01:05:52.159 –> 01:05:53.840
Speaker:
Saturdays, the Saturday after

1903
01:05:53.840 –> 01:05:55.400
Speaker:
Thanksgiving.

1904
01:05:55.400 –> 01:06:00.280
Speaker:
But we, we try to hold events to
keep the community connected at

1905
01:06:00.280 –> 01:06:01.239
Speaker:
least once a month.

1906
01:06:01.239 –> 01:06:03.239
Speaker:
We take off in January because
we’re tired.

1907
01:06:03.239 –> 01:06:05.280
Speaker:
But yeah, we do something.

1908
01:06:05.280 –> 01:06:06.519
Speaker:
We do events at Burdette.

1909
01:06:06.519 –> 01:06:08.650
Speaker:
We do Saleh1 and Ewallet
Burdette.

1910
01:06:08.650 –> 01:06:12.010
Speaker:
Um, we do Midsummer and we try
to do workshops throughout the

1911
01:06:12.010 –> 01:06:16.730
Speaker:
year so that people can come and
just kind of like, um, learn how

1912
01:06:16.730 –> 01:06:20.769
Speaker:
to make a witch’s besom or learn
how to make sigils or so we try

1913
01:06:20.769 –> 01:06:22.130
Speaker:
to do different workshops too.

1914
01:06:22.130 –> 01:06:25.170
Speaker:
We have a candle making workshop
coming up where you learn how to

1915
01:06:25.170 –> 01:06:26.809
Speaker:
make a candle.

1916
01:06:26.809 –> 01:06:30.610
Speaker:
Um, but we do love the I am a
chant girl.

1917
01:06:30.610 –> 01:06:32.170
Speaker:
Like I love to holler and chant.

1918
01:06:32.170 –> 01:06:34.690
Speaker:
So if I’m leading, we’re
probably going to be doing some

1919
01:06:34.690 –> 01:06:37.449
Speaker:
kind of chant or drumming or
something like that.

1920
01:06:37.449 –> 01:06:38.329
Speaker:
So yeah, you heard us.

1921
01:06:38.329 –> 01:06:39.409
Speaker:
So it was you I heard, okay.

1922
01:06:39.409 –> 01:06:39.929
Speaker:
That’s awesome.

1923
01:06:39.929 –> 01:06:40.969
Speaker:
Yes.

1924
01:06:40.969 –> 01:06:42.250
Speaker:
And I think it’s amazing because

1925
01:06:42.250 –> 01:06:44.050
Speaker:
I think the, the more like, I

1926
01:06:44.050 –> 01:06:45.210
Speaker:
would love to go do something

1927
01:06:45.210 –> 01:06:46.250
Speaker:
down at the four freedoms

1928
01:06:46.250 –> 01:06:47.969
Speaker:
monument and I’m working towards

1929
01:06:47.969 –> 01:06:48.929
Speaker:
that, you know, I just got to

1930
01:06:48.929 –> 01:06:51.170
Speaker:
get my plans laid out and have

1931
01:06:51.170 –> 01:06:52.010
Speaker:
security.

1932
01:06:52.010 –> 01:06:54.090
Speaker:
But I think the more that we do

1933
01:06:54.090 –> 01:06:56.130
Speaker:
this publicly, the better it is

1934
01:06:56.130 –> 01:06:58.349
Speaker:
for the community because more

1935
01:06:58.349 –> 01:06:59.610
Speaker:
we still have witches who are in

1936
01:06:59.610 –> 01:07:01.829
Speaker:
the closet, who are terrified to

1937
01:07:01.829 –> 01:07:03.570
Speaker:
let anybody know at work who

1938
01:07:03.570 –> 01:07:05.269
Speaker:
will come to events and like,

1939
01:07:05.269 –> 01:07:07.980
Speaker:
say, if a, if we have a craft

1940
01:07:07.980 –> 01:07:09.219
Speaker:
that we make or something like

1941
01:07:09.219 –> 01:07:09.539
Speaker:
that.

1942
01:07:09.539 –> 01:07:12.219
Speaker:
They’re like, yeah, I can’t take
this home because I can’t have

1943
01:07:12.219 –> 01:07:13.860
Speaker:
anybody at home see it.

1944
01:07:13.860 –> 01:07:14.579
Speaker:
There’s the stigma.

1945
01:07:14.579 –> 01:07:17.059
Speaker:
And I think it’s about education
as far as people just

1946
01:07:17.059 –> 01:07:19.139
Speaker:
understanding, maybe people will
hear you and they’re like, well,

1947
01:07:19.139 –> 01:07:22.860
Speaker:
she doesn’t sound like a crazy,
horrible person who just wants

1948
01:07:22.860 –> 01:07:26.739
Speaker:
to harm everyone like a witch
would do in my head.

1949
01:07:26.739 –> 01:07:28.000
Speaker:
Um, so maybe they think, oh,

1950
01:07:28.000 –> 01:07:29.400
Speaker:
this is maybe there’s a little

1951
01:07:29.400 –> 01:07:30.820
Speaker:
this is a little deeper than I

1952
01:07:30.820 –> 01:07:31.380
Speaker:
thought.

1953
01:07:31.380 –> 01:07:32.460
Speaker:
And, um.

1954
01:07:32.460 –> 01:07:32.900
Speaker:
Oh, yeah.

1955
01:07:32.900 –> 01:07:34.619
Speaker:
And there’s a lot of like, we

1956
01:07:34.619 –> 01:07:35.699
Speaker:
have what we call the light and

1957
01:07:35.699 –> 01:07:36.179
Speaker:
love witches.

1958
01:07:36.179 –> 01:07:37.480
Speaker:
And these are the girls that,

1959
01:07:37.480 –> 01:07:39.019
Speaker:
you know, everything is about

1960
01:07:39.019 –> 01:07:41.300
Speaker:
abundance and manifesting light

1961
01:07:41.300 –> 01:07:44.820
Speaker:
and attracting pleasantness all

1962
01:07:44.820 –> 01:07:45.659
Speaker:
the time.

1963
01:07:45.659 –> 01:07:50.260
Speaker:
And, you know, and that can be a
really, really great thing, but

1964
01:07:50.260 –> 01:07:56.579
Speaker:
it can also lead you to ignore
all your other emotions and deal

1965
01:07:56.579 –> 01:07:57.980
Speaker:
with your shit.

1966
01:07:57.980 –> 01:07:59.539
Speaker:
You know, if you’re constantly

1967
01:07:59.539 –> 01:08:02.420
Speaker:
setting in this example, I was

1968
01:08:02.420 –> 01:08:04.670
Speaker:
leading a warrior goddess one

1969
01:08:04.670 –> 01:08:07.309
Speaker:
weekend and one of the girls,

1970
01:08:07.309 –> 01:08:08.469
Speaker:
she was in a very abusive

1971
01:08:08.469 –> 01:08:10.110
Speaker:
relationship, verbally abusive

1972
01:08:10.110 –> 01:08:11.190
Speaker:
relationship, horrible,

1973
01:08:11.190 –> 01:08:12.949
Speaker:
emotionally manipulative.

1974
01:08:12.949 –> 01:08:15.750
Speaker:
And she says, you know, I just
get up every day and I just tell

1975
01:08:15.750 –> 01:08:17.989
Speaker:
myself, you know, things are
going to get so much better.

1976
01:08:17.989 –> 01:08:20.270
Speaker:
Like he’s going to change and I

1977
01:08:20.270 –> 01:08:21.189
Speaker:
just keep and I’m going to

1978
01:08:21.189 –> 01:08:22.069
Speaker:
manifest that.

1979
01:08:22.069 –> 01:08:24.069
Speaker:
And it’s like, no, you’re not.

1980
01:08:24.069 –> 01:08:25.310
Speaker:
You’re in a bad relationship.

1981
01:08:25.310 –> 01:08:27.270
Speaker:
We need to get you out of this.

1982
01:08:27.270 –> 01:08:30.829
Speaker:
So we do have some of that light
and love stuff that goes on.

1983
01:08:30.829 –> 01:08:34.229
Speaker:
But for the most part, witches
are pretty down to earth.

1984
01:08:34.229 –> 01:08:34.989
Speaker:
It’s not wild.

1985
01:08:34.989 –> 01:08:35.909
Speaker:
It’s not crazy.

1986
01:08:35.909 –> 01:08:36.470
Speaker:
Yeah.

1987
01:08:36.470 –> 01:08:37.390
Speaker:
There’s some that go out and

1988
01:08:37.390 –> 01:08:38.670
Speaker:
charge their crystals in the

1989
01:08:38.670 –> 01:08:40.869
Speaker:
moonlight and read tarot cards

1990
01:08:40.869 –> 01:08:42.310
Speaker:
on Saturday afternoons with

1991
01:08:42.310 –> 01:08:43.229
Speaker:
their girlfriends.

1992
01:08:43.229 –> 01:08:43.989
Speaker:
And.

1993
01:08:43.989 –> 01:08:47.750
Speaker:
But for the most part, I mean,
heck, I, I in the administrative

1994
01:08:47.750 –> 01:08:49.550
Speaker:
director for a machine shop.

1995
01:08:49.550 –> 01:08:50.390
Speaker:
Pretty normal.

1996
01:08:50.390 –> 01:08:50.869
Speaker:
All right.

1997
01:08:50.869 –> 01:08:51.350
Speaker:
Every day.

1998
01:08:51.350 –> 01:08:52.029
Speaker:
Yeah.

1999
01:08:52.029 –> 01:08:53.949
Speaker:
Like I am an office wiz.

2000
01:08:53.949 –> 01:08:56.029
Speaker:
Like that is my space.

2001
01:08:56.029 –> 01:08:57.310
Speaker:
I’m good at it.

2002
01:08:57.310 –> 01:08:59.789
Speaker:
Do all of your coworkers know
what you that you’re a witch?

2003
01:08:59.789 –> 01:09:00.350
Speaker:
Oh, yeah.

2004
01:09:00.350 –> 01:09:01.590
Speaker:
I’ve been out of the closet for.

2005
01:09:01.590 –> 01:09:04.199
Speaker:
I don’t think I was ever in a
closet, to be honest.

2006
01:09:04.199 –> 01:09:07.239
Speaker:
Like everybody knows my license
plate says switch on it.

2007
01:09:07.239 –> 01:09:09.960
Speaker:
Oh. Oh, yeah.

2008
01:09:09.960 –> 01:09:10.479
Speaker:
Yeah.

2009
01:09:10.479 –> 01:09:12.920
Speaker:
And I’ve been involved in LED
groups forever.

2010
01:09:12.920 –> 01:09:18.319
Speaker:
Um, in this area, uh, when I was
thirteen or fourteen, there was

2011
01:09:18.319 –> 01:09:21.279
Speaker:
a little store and they didn’t
call it a witchcraft store.

2012
01:09:21.279 –> 01:09:26.239
Speaker:
It was more of a nature
outdoorsy kind of stuff with

2013
01:09:26.239 –> 01:09:29.640
Speaker:
drums and flutes and stuff.

2014
01:09:29.640 –> 01:09:31.600
Speaker:
And, um, one of the ladies that

2015
01:09:31.600 –> 01:09:33.479
Speaker:
owns a local store was probably

2016
01:09:33.479 –> 01:09:35.279
Speaker:
in her early thirties and she

2017
01:09:35.279 –> 01:09:36.720
Speaker:
worked there.

2018
01:09:36.720 –> 01:09:40.239
Speaker:
She owns a local, um, gemstone
store.

2019
01:09:40.239 –> 01:09:42.640
Speaker:
And I remember being like
thirteen or fourteen and going

2020
01:09:42.640 –> 01:09:46.279
Speaker:
in there and being like, oh my
gosh, these are my people.

2021
01:09:46.279 –> 01:09:47.720
Speaker:
Like they were drumming and

2022
01:09:47.720 –> 01:09:50.460
Speaker:
singing and dancing and like,

2023
01:09:50.460 –> 01:09:52.119
Speaker:
you know, everyone was talking

2024
01:09:52.119 –> 01:09:53.800
Speaker:
about the earth and what we

2025
01:09:53.800 –> 01:09:53.920
Speaker:
need.

2026
01:09:53.920 –> 01:09:55.800
Speaker:
And I was like, oh, this is,
this is it for me.

2027
01:09:55.800 –> 01:09:57.319
Speaker:
I was really into Green Anarchy

2028
01:09:57.319 –> 01:09:58.560
Speaker:
at the time and all kinds of

2029
01:09:58.560 –> 01:09:59.640
Speaker:
crazy stuff.

2030
01:09:59.640 –> 01:10:01.489
Speaker:
So I was like, I found my
people.

2031
01:10:01.489 –> 01:10:06.649
Speaker:
And over time in Evansville,
we’ve had such a shift.

2032
01:10:06.649 –> 01:10:08.170
Speaker:
We’ll have like periods where

2033
01:10:08.170 –> 01:10:09.529
Speaker:
everybody will really be into

2034
01:10:09.529 –> 01:10:12.130
Speaker:
witchcraft and in groups will be

2035
01:10:12.130 –> 01:10:13.489
Speaker:
like thirty, forty, fifty

2036
01:10:13.489 –> 01:10:14.210
Speaker:
people.

2037
01:10:14.210 –> 01:10:14.930
Speaker:
And then we’ll go through

2038
01:10:14.930 –> 01:10:16.310
Speaker:
periods where there’s only like

2039
01:10:16.310 –> 01:10:17.449
Speaker:
eight, nine, ten people that

2040
01:10:17.449 –> 01:10:18.050
Speaker:
come out.

2041
01:10:18.050 –> 01:10:18.449
Speaker:
Yeah.

2042
01:10:18.449 –> 01:10:21.409
Speaker:
And then a movie will come out
or something to get really

2043
01:10:21.409 –> 01:10:23.850
Speaker:
popular on, on social media.

2044
01:10:23.850 –> 01:10:26.409
Speaker:
And then now we’ve got a lot
more people coming out again.

2045
01:10:26.409 –> 01:10:28.930
Speaker:
And so it just kind of ebbs and
flows.

2046
01:10:28.930 –> 01:10:30.850
Speaker:
And I’ve run in a lot of
circles.

2047
01:10:30.850 –> 01:10:32.729
Speaker:
And, you know, I see the same

2048
01:10:32.729 –> 01:10:34.909
Speaker:
faces for the past thirty years

2049
01:10:34.909 –> 01:10:37.489
Speaker:
doing this, you know, and new

2050
01:10:37.489 –> 01:10:38.250
Speaker:
ones.

2051
01:10:38.250 –> 01:10:42.989
Speaker:
I really think these young girls
coming out and saying, I’m going

2052
01:10:42.989 –> 01:10:45.489
Speaker:
to be a witch and I’m not going
to be embarrassed about it.

2053
01:10:45.489 –> 01:10:48.270
Speaker:
And you’re not putting me in a
closet, and I don’t care if I

2054
01:10:48.270 –> 01:10:49.130
Speaker:
lose my job.

2055
01:10:49.130 –> 01:10:51.569
Speaker:
And I don’t care if my parents
get mad at me.

2056
01:10:51.569 –> 01:10:52.970
Speaker:
I don’t care about any of that.

2057
01:10:52.970 –> 01:10:54.810
Speaker:
I’m going to do what I’m going
to do.

2058
01:10:54.810 –> 01:10:58.170
Speaker:
And that has catapulted all of

2059
01:10:58.170 –> 01:10:59.460
Speaker:
this, everything that we’re

2060
01:10:59.460 –> 01:11:02.420
Speaker:
doing now, it’s catapulted it

2061
01:11:02.420 –> 01:11:03.579
Speaker:
just because of these young

2062
01:11:03.579 –> 01:11:04.220
Speaker:
kids.

2063
01:11:04.220 –> 01:11:05.260
Speaker:
Just saying, you know, I’m

2064
01:11:05.260 –> 01:11:06.340
Speaker:
breaking free from all these

2065
01:11:06.340 –> 01:11:08.340
Speaker:
restraints and I’m going to be

2066
01:11:08.340 –> 01:11:09.699
Speaker:
myself.

2067
01:11:09.699 –> 01:11:13.739
Speaker:
So I have to give kudos to these
young girls and boys and all

2068
01:11:13.739 –> 01:11:15.180
Speaker:
y’all and all y’all’s out there.

2069
01:11:15.180 –> 01:11:16.220
Speaker:
All y’all’s.

2070
01:11:16.220 –> 01:11:16.819
Speaker:
Yes.

2071
01:11:16.819 –> 01:11:18.380
Speaker:
If someone wanted to.

2072
01:11:18.380 –> 01:11:19.340
Speaker:
Yeah, absolutely.

2073
01:11:19.340 –> 01:11:22.939
Speaker:
And if someone is interested in
joining or maybe connecting with

2074
01:11:22.939 –> 01:11:25.500
Speaker:
you, I’ll have those links in
the show notes.

2075
01:11:25.500 –> 01:11:26.939
Speaker:
That way they can connect with
it.

2076
01:11:26.939 –> 01:11:28.460
Speaker:
But but just where would they
go?

2077
01:11:28.460 –> 01:11:31.739
Speaker:
Like if you just had to give
them like a quick go to this?

2078
01:11:31.739 –> 01:11:32.779
Speaker:
Want to know about our.

2079
01:11:32.779 –> 01:11:34.260
Speaker:
Yeah, our events are on three

2080
01:11:34.260 –> 01:11:36.659
Speaker:
corners pagan circle dot com and

2081
01:11:36.659 –> 01:11:38.159
Speaker:
I’ll have that link on the show

2082
01:11:38.159 –> 01:11:39.439
Speaker:
notes and yeah, that’s a good

2083
01:11:39.439 –> 01:11:41.659
Speaker:
looking website and it’s got a

2084
01:11:41.659 –> 01:11:43.380
Speaker:
events section.

2085
01:11:43.380 –> 01:11:44.180
Speaker:
Um, that’s all.

2086
01:11:44.180 –> 01:11:46.340
Speaker:
Caitlin Dixon I’m going to give
a shout out to Caitlin.

2087
01:11:46.340 –> 01:11:47.939
Speaker:
She’s one of our co-chairs.

2088
01:11:47.939 –> 01:11:49.979
Speaker:
She does an amazing job on our
website.

2089
01:11:49.979 –> 01:11:51.739
Speaker:
It’s amazing.

2090
01:11:51.739 –> 01:11:52.100
Speaker:
Oh yeah.

2091
01:11:52.100 –> 01:11:52.899
Speaker:
She’s good.

2092
01:11:52.899 –> 01:11:54.340
Speaker:
Yeah.

2093
01:11:54.340 –> 01:11:56.500
Speaker:
We have a candle making.

2094
01:11:56.500 –> 01:11:58.350
Speaker:
That’s it’s on our Facebook.

2095
01:11:58.350 –> 01:12:00.510
Speaker:
And we have a candle making
workshop that’s coming up.

2096
01:12:00.510 –> 01:12:02.069
Speaker:
Like I said, we took January
off.

2097
01:12:02.069 –> 01:12:02.630
Speaker:
We’re tired.

2098
01:12:02.630 –> 01:12:04.189
Speaker:
Yeah, I just take a break.

2099
01:12:04.189 –> 01:12:04.550
Speaker:
So.

2100
01:12:04.550 –> 01:12:05.470
Speaker:
Yeah.

2101
01:12:05.470 –> 01:12:08.710
Speaker:
Well, we, we regroup and figure
out what events we’re going to

2102
01:12:08.710 –> 01:12:11.550
Speaker:
do for the next year, but we
have a candle making workshop

2103
01:12:11.550 –> 01:12:17.189
Speaker:
coming up, um, in February and
that’s on our Facebook page.

2104
01:12:17.189 –> 01:12:22.069
Speaker:
And, uh, and Jamie Hettenbach
Marquette, she’s leading that.

2105
01:12:22.069 –> 01:12:28.430
Speaker:
She owns a sun sign, candles s u
n s I g n candles.

2106
01:12:28.430 –> 01:12:29.510
Speaker:
And so she’s one of our

2107
01:12:29.510 –> 01:12:30.909
Speaker:
co-chairs and she’s leading that

2108
01:12:30.909 –> 01:12:31.869
Speaker:
event.

2109
01:12:31.869 –> 01:12:33.350
Speaker:
I guess I should talk about the
girls.

2110
01:12:33.350 –> 01:12:35.710
Speaker:
So Jamie is more Wiccan.

2111
01:12:35.710 –> 01:12:39.510
Speaker:
That’s kind of how she started
in her practice.

2112
01:12:39.510 –> 01:12:41.090
Speaker:
Caitlin is more shamanic,

2113
01:12:41.090 –> 01:12:45.390
Speaker:
eclectic, and Heather, she she

2114
01:12:45.390 –> 01:12:47.630
Speaker:
was involved in and now runs a

2115
01:12:47.630 –> 01:12:49.310
Speaker:
Norse heathenry.

2116
01:12:49.310 –> 01:12:51.069
Speaker:
And then I have my own practice,

2117
01:12:51.069 –> 01:12:52.310
Speaker:
which I’ve talked extensively

2118
01:12:52.310 –> 01:12:53.029
Speaker:
about.

2119
01:12:53.029 –> 01:12:54.829
Speaker:
So our events.

2120
01:12:54.829 –> 01:12:56.520
Speaker:
It just depends on who’s leading
it.

2121
01:12:56.520 –> 01:12:58.079
Speaker:
What kind of flare you’re going
to get.

2122
01:12:58.079 –> 01:13:01.319
Speaker:
Like we all have different types
of events that we like to lead.

2123
01:13:01.319 –> 01:13:02.680
Speaker:
None of us lead the same way.

2124
01:13:02.680 –> 01:13:04.840
Speaker:
There’s not an exact format like

2125
01:13:04.840 –> 01:13:06.279
Speaker:
I might do a witches walk in the

2126
01:13:06.279 –> 01:13:07.520
Speaker:
woods, and we go to new Harmony,

2127
01:13:07.520 –> 01:13:09.600
Speaker:
and we learn how to spiritually

2128
01:13:09.600 –> 01:13:11.359
Speaker:
use the plants in our practice

2129
01:13:11.359 –> 01:13:13.239
Speaker:
or sacred sites or things like

2130
01:13:13.239 –> 01:13:14.399
Speaker:
that.

2131
01:13:14.399 –> 01:13:18.420
Speaker:
So yeah, we all have our own
different thing that we like to

2132
01:13:18.420 –> 01:13:20.720
Speaker:
do, and the four of us make it
all work together.

2133
01:13:20.720 –> 01:13:22.000
Speaker:
So there’s something for
everyone.

2134
01:13:22.000 –> 01:13:23.199
Speaker:
So if someone may not be into

2135
01:13:23.199 –> 01:13:24.600
Speaker:
the forest thing, you know, they

2136
01:13:24.600 –> 01:13:25.720
Speaker:
can.

2137
01:13:25.720 –> 01:13:26.600
Speaker:
Oh, absolutely.

2138
01:13:26.600 –> 01:13:28.760
Speaker:
That’s what we that’s what we
strive for.

2139
01:13:28.760 –> 01:13:32.159
Speaker:
Well, I want to thank you for
spending the time to tell me

2140
01:13:32.159 –> 01:13:33.000
Speaker:
about all this.

2141
01:13:33.000 –> 01:13:34.359
Speaker:
It’s just fascinating to me.

2142
01:13:34.359 –> 01:13:37.279
Speaker:
So maybe I’ll have you on to
talk about more in the future.

2143
01:13:37.279 –> 01:13:38.579
Speaker:
But because I don’t want to take

2144
01:13:38.579 –> 01:13:39.800
Speaker:
up, I can talk all night about

2145
01:13:39.800 –> 01:13:40.319
Speaker:
this stuff.

2146
01:13:40.319 –> 01:13:41.600
Speaker:
But I really appreciate you.

2147
01:13:41.600 –> 01:13:42.520
Speaker:
Oh, I find it fascinating.

2148
01:13:42.520 –> 01:13:43.000
Speaker:
Oh. You’re welcome.

2149
01:13:43.000 –> 01:13:44.079
Speaker:
I find it fascinating.

2150
01:13:44.079 –> 01:13:45.319
Speaker:
I love talking about it.

2151
01:13:45.319 –> 01:13:47.840
Speaker:
And, you know, the more I can,

2152
01:13:47.840 –> 01:13:50.880
Speaker:
you know, get the word out that

2153
01:13:50.880 –> 01:13:52.899
Speaker:
some of us are evil, but not all

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right.

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That’s right.

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Yeah.

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And you’re honest.

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So I like that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I’m not going to.

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That’s a big pet peeve of mine
is when people say, you know,

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wishes aren’t bad.

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01:14:04.369 –> 01:14:05.090
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They’re all mean.

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No, some of them are.

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Some are.

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It’s because they’re people.

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So yeah.

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But thanks again and I
appreciate it.

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And, um, have a good night.

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You too.

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Thanks so much, Matt.

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And you can check out Krystal’s

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website at Kentucky dot me and

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I’ll have that in the show notes

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as well.

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So be sure to check that out.

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And you’re welcome to join my

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discord server at RiverCityMystery.com/

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Discord.

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I’ll have this episode up there

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and we’ll be talking about it as

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well as a lot of the other

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topics we’ve discussed and

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released episodes on in the

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past.

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So there’s an interesting
community out there.

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So I want to thank you for

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listening and until next time,

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take care.