Who Killed Elizabeth?

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Mark was the truck driver.

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Oh my goodness.

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Mark the truck driver who was
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Their mother’s boyfriend, who

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was abusing the other siblings,

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ends up dating Elizabeth after

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Rose’s death.

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Insomniac researcher of the
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Matt Deig.

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Welcome to episode seventeen.

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We’re going to be discussing the
Elizabeth Banister case, Which

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is basically like a demented
version of the movie clue.

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And we’ll find out why as we get
into this case.

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I was invited to join the show
of Savannah, who actually is a

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member of my discord server.

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She has a channel called a
YouTube channel called Don’t

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Hate Create, and I’ve got a link
down in the show notes for that.

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So check, check out her show and

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she discusses true crime sorts

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of stuff.

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And she really has been

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following the Delphi case really

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closely.

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So she has a lot of interesting
stuff there.

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So check it out.

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She invited me to be on her show

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this week, and we did a live

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stream talking about the

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Elizabeth Bannister case this

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episode.

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Is that that discussion we had

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talking about Elizabeth and and

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what happened with her back in

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two thousand.

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And the discord server, by the
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bit over the past few months.

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So this is our discussion on the
Elizabeth Banister case.

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This is the case of Elizabeth
Banister.

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And she was murdered at eighteen
years old in her apartment.

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She was murdered in a house
that’s full of people, yet no

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one heard or saw anything there.

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And there’s no shortage of

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suspects, as far as I’m

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concerned.

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The House had apparently at the
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around one a m on January
twentieth, two thousand.

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There was apparently someone
passed out on a couch.

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There was someone in the
bathroom.

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There was somebody watching a

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rerun of Matlock in another

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room.

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Um, yet no one.

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No one heard anyone come in or
leave or anything.

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Apparently about an hour.

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Yeah, it’s very weird.

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And she had an just an absolute
tragic life.

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I mean, leading up to that
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It’s just the more I read about

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it, the more like horrifying it

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is.

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How just bad her life was.

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And her sister Sara, um, she’s
done some podcasts and talks a

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lot about she’s an advocate for
finding her sister’s murder.

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Um, she talks a lot about the
abuse that took place and, and

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that sort of thing.

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But, um, she was born in, uh,
California.

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And then when she was eight, she

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and her family moved to the

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Evansville area.

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And so Elizabeth had, um, she
had three siblings there, Sarah,

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Rebecca and Doug.

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So Sarah, Rebecca, and Doug were

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from a different father than

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Elizabeth.

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So they were kind of separated
for that reason, I believe.

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And also Elizabeth seemed to
have some behavioral issues.

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Um, so she spent most of her
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other groups rather than with
the other three siblings, which

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is kind of sad too.

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Yeah.

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So Sarah, Rebecca and Doug ended
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Elizabeth off by herself.

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And Sarah tells the story about
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she was actually assaulted by a
male relative as well.

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So that’s when she was also sent
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Um, later on to live with
someone else as well.

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So there was that factor as
well.

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So she, she did not start off
very well.

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She was sent off after she got
like, um, yeah, the timeline is

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confusing as far as like when
she was eight, she was assaulted

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by a male relative.

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So I’m not sure how soon after
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off somewhere else.

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I don’t know if she did not
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but oh yeah, I know that would
probably explain her behavioral

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problems too a bit.

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Correct.

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So I don’t know who knew what
and when kind of a thing.

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Um, but apparently it did damage

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to her where she couldn’t have

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children.

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I mean, it was like that kind of
a thing.

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According to her, her foster
mother later on said that, um,

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while Elizabeth was away with
living with where she was, Sarah

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and Rebecca and Doug were with
their mom, Rose, and her various

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boyfriends, and apparently she.

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Rose did not pick men very well,
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So they were all abusive to her
and the children.

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And, um, one of those boyfriends

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that she was with was named Mark

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and Mark when Mark was a truck

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driver and when Mark would go

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off on over the road trips, he

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would have Sara or Rebecca go

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with him.

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They would demand it.

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And Rose would say, Rose, their
mother would say, yeah, I want

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you to go with him, um, to give
me a break, you know, and he

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would only want one at a time.

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Of course not.

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Both of them.

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Apparently, Sarah and Rebecca
would tell their mother, you

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know, he’s he’s abusing, he’s
putting his hands on us, that

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kind of thing.

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And she really wouldn’t listen.

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So that is really, really sad.

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It’s really sad.

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Like people need to listen to
their children.

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I do not imagine I it’s

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appalling when people do not

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listen to their children saying

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these things.

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It’s just like you just you
can’t believe it.

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But it does happen.

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Apparently he did.

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Um, Mark did assault Sarah on
one of these trips.

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She says in one of the podcast,

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we’ll actually listen to a clip

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of that, um, here in a bit, but,

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um, I don’t know what Rebecca

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has not spoken, so I don’t know

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if she’s also, but it would not

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surprise me if he also did stuff

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to her.

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Yeah.

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Um, it goes to stands to reason
that that would happen.

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Exactly.

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So and this just kind of giving,
giving a little background

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because it just gets weirder
here in a bit.

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Rose started going downhill
physically, um, and started

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needing some help.

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So Elizabeth came home with Rose
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and she ended up passing away.

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Elizabeth actually found her
mother dead in the bed.

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Mhm.

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Um, she had apparently passed
away of emphysema.

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And there’s some weirdness
there, too, because apparently

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she was next to her then
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the time, apparently.

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But a dog had eaten like half of
her face off, so apparently she

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had been there long enough for a
dog to have eaten her face.

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But the guy she was with didn’t
know, so.

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Oh gosh, there’s some suspicion

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there with like, what really

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happened, but I don’t think that

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was ever even an open case or

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anything.

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It’s just she passed away of
emphysema.

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And then, um, Elizabeth was
dating a guy that her her

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correct mom was with.

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After Rose passes away,

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Elizabeth goes back to the group

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home.

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I think she goes to Hillcrest,
Washington youth home in

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Evansville until she ages out.

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And when she ages out at
eighteen, she moves into the

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apartment on Washington Avenue,
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She moved in with her boyfriend,

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then boyfriend Mark, who was the

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same guy that her mother was

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engaged to or dating or whatever

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later on.

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So yes, she ends up dating Mark,
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fiance, I guess you’d say.

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Um, wow.

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This obviously caused issues

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with Sarah and, uh, Elizabeth

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because Sarah was appalled that,

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you know, this man who had done

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all of these bad things to her

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and her sister would actually be

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interested in their other sister

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and that she would go along with

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Mark.

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Mark was the truck driver.

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Mark was the truck driver.

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Oh my goodness.

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Mark the truck driver, who was

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the their mother’s boyfriend who

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was abusing the other siblings,

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ends up dating Elizabeth after

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Rosa’s death.

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That’s crazy.

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Was Elizabeth’s older than the
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Yeah, she’s a few years older.

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I think she’s four years older
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old the other siblings were.

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She.

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I don’t know that, but she’s
older than the others.

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So Mark was obviously one of
the, the people who were

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questioned by the police because
he, he’s clearly on that list of

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people who might have reasons to
have done something.

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I guess he’s just at the very

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top of mind right now as far as

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that story.

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And Kelly Fontaine is the foster
mother who actually helped raise

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Elizabeth from the time she was
twelve to seventeen.

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She was a big part of her life
at that time.

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She says that Mark had something
to do with it.

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She knew Mark had something to

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do with it before she even knew

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the details that she was even

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dating Mark.

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She did not know that they were
dating, and she immediately

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suspected Mark for whatever
reason, because he gave her a

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bad vibe or something.

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Um, but she was kind of shocked

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to learn that they were actually

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dating at the time that she was

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murdered, but he apparently had

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an alibi.

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He was working when she was
murdered.

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So.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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I’m just kidding.

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That’s what I’m thinking.

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I’ve.

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I’ve fallen down so many rabbit
holes to figure out who this guy

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is, because none of the names
have been released other than

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Sarah saying his name.

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Mark.

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Um, on a few podcasts.

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Um, because I’m trying to figure

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out like, where did the guy

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work?

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Like who?

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How did they verify he was at
work?

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I don’t know if he was a truck
driver at that time.

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I know he was back a few years

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earlier, but was he a truck

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driver then?

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I guess that would be easier to
verify if you were on on the

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road or something.

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But it’s not that hard for

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somebody to clock you in if

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you’re like, working in a plant

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or something.

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Uh, totally.

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Yeah.

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The coroner, who was Annie

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Groves, says that it was a crime

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of passion because apparently it

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was.

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She was stabbed multiple times
in her apartment, and apparently

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the first stabbing was fatal.

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Like it hit her in the aorta and
that’s the one that did her in.

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And the person just kept
stabbing.

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They think it’s a crime of
passion, not like just some

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random guy staggering into the
apartment, you know?

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Yeah, like overdid it, overdid
it.

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Right.

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So. But there’s no proof the at
the time.

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And to add some more strange

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things here, about an hour

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before she was murdered, she had

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asked if Elizabeth had asked a

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friend for some money to use the

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payphone.

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The friend came over, gave her

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the money and left, and he comes

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back an hour later to check on

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her.

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For some reason, I don’t know
why he would.

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I don’t know if he was coming
back to get more money, get the

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money back, or where’s the
payphone at that?

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I don’t know, so I’m guessing it
was nearby their house.

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Um, she borrows money from this
friend to use a payphone.

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An hour later, he comes back to

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check on her and he finds her

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dead.

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Or he finds the crime scene.

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I don’t know if he’s the one who

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actually found her body, but he

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comes back and finds that she’s

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been murdered.

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So a cabbie was questioned by
police because a cab did

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actually come to the house, had
been called, but no one ever

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came out when he got there.

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So he took off.

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So it we don’t know, like where

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was she going, that kind of

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thing.

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Um, so we’ve got another that’s
always a strange situation.

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Just that, that whole the friend

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with borrowing money and coming

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back to check on her an hour

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later, that’s just strange as

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well.

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There are reports in the
Evansville papers that a, a

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neighbor saw an African American
male jump out of a window and

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run down the street.

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That sounds you know, that
sounds.

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I don’t know, I’m not gonna say
convenient.

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Yeah, it sounds like a little
bit of racism or something, you

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know, like, I don’t know, maybe.

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Yeah.

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There’s a black guy.

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There was, I don’t know, it’s

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yet another strange part of this

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and it just gets stranger with

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this.

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Um, yeah.

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Did she live in like, a bad part
of town though?

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I guess I shouldn’t say that.

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It’s like out of.

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Yeah.

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It wasn’t a great part of town.

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And she lived in a house that’s
um a lady owned it.

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She apparently the lady who
lived there, uh, who owned it

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was in her seventies and I don’t
think she was doing very well

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either, because I was, I’ve been
doing some research on her, but,

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um, I think she had maybe
Alzheimer’s or dementia kind of

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developing at that time, but she
would bring in these people.

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She kind of turned her house

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into an apartment complex where

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people would just come in and

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rent rooms.

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So I think she was living in the
basement.

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Yeah, the lady was living in the
basement of that house.

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The lady was living in the

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basement, from what I

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understand.

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And then she was renting out the

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room so that there were, uh,

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four people renting rooms, I

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believe at that time, there was

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Elizabeth and then three others,

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I believe.

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Oh, this the pictures you sent

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me that like it was torn down,

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right?

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It was torn down.

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Let me give you.

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I’ve got a picture here.

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Like the older pictures that.

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Yeah.

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It’s like a black and white.

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It’s from the newspaper.

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I have that, I think.

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You got that?

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Okay.

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And I went there a few months
ago to, um, take some pictures

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of the actual scene.

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I got a video as well of the
current scene, but.

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Oh. Do you.

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You can share your screen if you
want.

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Um, Hiawatha says that they

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would love to read the police

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report.

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And you did try to get like
FOIA, um, the information.

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Right?

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And they wouldn’t give you stuff

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or they would not give me

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anything.

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Go ahead and share your screen
because mine is not bringing up

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my pictures for some reason.

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Um, I sent a FOIA request to the
Evansville Police Department a

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couple of months ago.

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Maybe it was over a month ago.

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And since I mean, this has been
now almost twenty five years, I

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would I’ve got to think that
this is, uh, you know, not

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considered a super active case.

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So I did send a FOIA request for

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all of the information on this

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case.

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And then they responded a couple
of weeks ago that they are still

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considering this an active case.

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So they’re not going to release
any of the, um, police reports,

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which is very frustrating.

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It’s like it’s almost a quarter
of a century later.

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It’s like, come on.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah, that’s crazy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so I would really love

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to read the police report as

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well.

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Yeah, there’s the house.

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So she apparently lived.

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Um, God, that’s a horrible
picture.

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Um, but that’s really the one of

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the only ones I could find

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because like I said, it was

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knocked down.

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So actually what happened was in

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two thousand and four, the owner

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of the house was apparently a

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hoarder.

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Apparently she was not doing
well at all.

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So she would stack newspapers
all over the place and they

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caught on fire.

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And the whole place burned down
in two thousand and four.

443
00:15:22.389 –> 00:15:25.429
Speaker:
So which is kind of upsetting
because, I mean, it had whatever

444
00:15:25.429 –> 00:15:28.149
Speaker:
evidence might have been in this
house is gone.

445
00:15:28.149 –> 00:15:30.409
Speaker:
Uh, you know, they really can’t,

446
00:15:30.409 –> 00:15:32.230
Speaker:
you know, look into anything any

447
00:15:32.230 –> 00:15:32.629
Speaker:
further.

448
00:15:32.629 –> 00:15:35.009
Speaker:
So which makes it even more
difficult.

449
00:15:35.009 –> 00:15:36.169
Speaker:
Yeah.

450
00:15:36.169 –> 00:15:38.610
Speaker:
Um, but yeah, so now it’s just a
vacant lot.

451
00:15:39.809 –> 00:15:42.850
Speaker:
So, um, this happened in two
thousand.

452
00:15:42.850 –> 00:15:43.450
Speaker:
Is that correct?

453
00:15:43.450 –> 00:15:45.250
Speaker:
Yeah, this was in two thousand.

454
00:15:45.250 –> 00:15:46.730
Speaker:
So a couple of years ago.

455
00:15:46.730 –> 00:15:48.730
Speaker:
This was in twenty twenty three.

456
00:15:48.730 –> 00:15:50.169
Speaker:
And this is another twist that’s

457
00:15:50.169 –> 00:15:51.769
Speaker:
just it just gets weirder and

458
00:15:51.769 –> 00:15:52.690
Speaker:
weirder.

459
00:15:52.690 –> 00:15:54.509
Speaker:
In twenty twenty three, uh, Phil

460
00:15:54.509 –> 00:15:57.009
Speaker:
Chalmers, a podcaster who has a

461
00:15:57.009 –> 00:15:58.610
Speaker:
podcast called or did have a

462
00:15:58.610 –> 00:15:59.450
Speaker:
podcast, I don’t think he’s

463
00:15:59.450 –> 00:16:00.649
Speaker:
releasing episodes anymore, but

464
00:16:00.649 –> 00:16:01.809
Speaker:
it’s called Where the Bodies are

465
00:16:01.809 –> 00:16:02.850
Speaker:
Buried.

466
00:16:02.850 –> 00:16:03.889
Speaker:
Okay.

467
00:16:03.889 –> 00:16:10.090
Speaker:
And his very first episode, he
interviews William Clyde Gibson.

468
00:16:10.090 –> 00:16:11.690
Speaker:
He, William Clyde Gibson is a

469
00:16:11.690 –> 00:16:13.889
Speaker:
serial killer who killed three

470
00:16:13.889 –> 00:16:16.009
Speaker:
people in the Louisville, New

471
00:16:16.009 –> 00:16:18.610
Speaker:
Albany, Indiana area in, I

472
00:16:18.610 –> 00:16:19.970
Speaker:
believe, twenty twelve, I

473
00:16:19.970 –> 00:16:20.730
Speaker:
believe.

474
00:16:20.730 –> 00:16:23.049
Speaker:
Um, that time and he was he’s on

475
00:16:23.049 –> 00:16:24.409
Speaker:
Indiana’s death row right now

476
00:16:24.409 –> 00:16:25.049
Speaker:
for murder.

477
00:16:25.049 –> 00:16:27.970
Speaker:
And he, I mean, I’m not going to
get into the graphic details,

478
00:16:27.970 –> 00:16:30.129
Speaker:
but he was basically a bad guy.

479
00:16:30.129 –> 00:16:33.620
Speaker:
Um, the stuff he was doing was,
pretty much horrible.

480
00:16:33.620 –> 00:16:38.879
Speaker:
But during this podcast, he
actually brings up, um,

481
00:16:38.879 –> 00:16:41.980
Speaker:
murdering Elizabeth Bannister.

482
00:16:41.980 –> 00:16:44.960
Speaker:
Um, and he goes into some
details about why he, you know,

483
00:16:44.960 –> 00:16:46.100
Speaker:
what he did exactly.

484
00:16:46.100 –> 00:16:49.019
Speaker:
And you know, he mentions her
name and that kind of thing.

485
00:16:49.019 –> 00:16:51.580
Speaker:
If we want to, I think I have it
queued up if we want to listen

486
00:16:51.580 –> 00:16:54.379
Speaker:
to some of what he says.

487
00:16:54.379 –> 00:16:54.820
Speaker:
Yeah.

488
00:16:54.820 –> 00:16:57.759
Speaker:
Um, I somebody was saying
something about like, um, a new

489
00:16:57.759 –> 00:17:02.139
Speaker:
law being passed in Indiana or
like semi new law where after

490
00:17:02.139 –> 00:17:06.019
Speaker:
like a certain length of time,
if like a family member can

491
00:17:06.019 –> 00:17:10.740
Speaker:
request that, um, a case be
either like given to somebody

492
00:17:10.740 –> 00:17:14.680
Speaker:
else or like not declared or
declared a cold case so that

493
00:17:14.680 –> 00:17:16.660
Speaker:
more information can get out.

494
00:17:16.660 –> 00:17:19.420
Speaker:
Um, I wonder if that’s something
that could happen.

495
00:17:19.420 –> 00:17:21.180
Speaker:
That’s something to definitely
look into.

496
00:17:21.180 –> 00:17:23.319
Speaker:
Um, so maybe if, uh, you know,

497
00:17:23.319 –> 00:17:25.220
Speaker:
the family, uh, Sarah in

498
00:17:25.220 –> 00:17:26.839
Speaker:
particular, maybe, uh, you know,

499
00:17:26.839 –> 00:17:27.960
Speaker:
something to think about because

500
00:17:27.960 –> 00:17:29.019
Speaker:
I actually, she’s actually

501
00:17:29.019 –> 00:17:30.869
Speaker:
agreed to talk to me on my for a

502
00:17:30.869 –> 00:17:31.710
Speaker:
future episode.

503
00:17:31.710 –> 00:17:33.710
Speaker:
Sarah, um, Elizabeth’s sister.

504
00:17:33.710 –> 00:17:36.029
Speaker:
So that might be something to
ask her.

505
00:17:36.029 –> 00:17:38.309
Speaker:
Yeah, for sure, because I was
holding off on interviewing her

506
00:17:38.309 –> 00:17:41.069
Speaker:
until after the FOIA information
came through, because I was

507
00:17:41.069 –> 00:17:43.750
Speaker:
hoping I’d get that and then be
able to kind of look through all

508
00:17:43.750 –> 00:17:46.269
Speaker:
that stuff and then have better
questions for her.

509
00:17:46.269 –> 00:17:48.109
Speaker:
But apparently that’s not going
to happen now.

510
00:17:48.109 –> 00:17:50.990
Speaker:
So. Well, that’d be cool if she
could get like that.

511
00:17:50.990 –> 00:17:52.869
Speaker:
Yeah, it would because I just, I

512
00:17:52.869 –> 00:17:53.710
Speaker:
mean, it’s been twenty five

513
00:17:53.710 –> 00:17:54.349
Speaker:
years.

514
00:17:54.349 –> 00:17:56.029
Speaker:
And also we have a confession.

515
00:17:56.029 –> 00:17:57.470
Speaker:
This guy is confessing, which it

516
00:17:57.470 –> 00:17:58.829
Speaker:
makes me think, too, that maybe

517
00:17:58.829 –> 00:18:00.769
Speaker:
they don’t buy his confession

518
00:18:00.769 –> 00:18:01.990
Speaker:
because if they, you know, they

519
00:18:01.990 –> 00:18:02.910
Speaker:
could close the case out and

520
00:18:02.910 –> 00:18:04.210
Speaker:
say, oh, yeah, serial killer

521
00:18:04.210 –> 00:18:05.589
Speaker:
just confessed it’s a closed

522
00:18:05.589 –> 00:18:06.750
Speaker:
case, but they’ve not closed the

523
00:18:06.750 –> 00:18:06.950
Speaker:
case.

524
00:18:06.950 –> 00:18:10.190
Speaker:
It’s still considered active
even though he has confessed.

525
00:18:10.190 –> 00:18:13.789
Speaker:
Um, also, Sarah does not, uh,
buy the confession as well.

526
00:18:13.789 –> 00:18:17.349
Speaker:
She’s come out and said that
she’s not satisfied that he

527
00:18:17.349 –> 00:18:19.349
Speaker:
actually did it.

528
00:18:19.349 –> 00:18:21.950
Speaker:
Well, like, what are the chances
that he would just be like, I

529
00:18:21.950 –> 00:18:24.589
Speaker:
mean, I don’t know if he was
like common to that area.

530
00:18:24.589 –> 00:18:27.390
Speaker:
Was he like, I don’t know, I
don’t think so.

531
00:18:27.390 –> 00:18:29.769
Speaker:
I don’t think that I’m not
aware.

532
00:18:29.769 –> 00:18:32.730
Speaker:
I mean, he didn’t have any other
killings in the Evansville area

533
00:18:32.730 –> 00:18:33.410
Speaker:
that I’m aware of.

534
00:18:33.410 –> 00:18:37.769
Speaker:
I mean, the thing is, he claims
he’s killed thirty three people.

535
00:18:37.769 –> 00:18:39.849
Speaker:
He’s been convicted of killing
three.

536
00:18:39.849 –> 00:18:43.049
Speaker:
So there are other people that
he claims are out there.

537
00:18:43.049 –> 00:18:44.650
Speaker:
And so that’s this Phil
Chalmers.

538
00:18:44.650 –> 00:18:48.569
Speaker:
His whole point of his podcast
was to talk to serial killers

539
00:18:48.569 –> 00:18:51.250
Speaker:
and convicted killers, to try to
get them to confess to other

540
00:18:51.250 –> 00:18:52.970
Speaker:
crimes they’ve committed.

541
00:18:52.970 –> 00:18:53.369
Speaker:
Oh, yeah.

542
00:18:53.369 –> 00:18:56.250
Speaker:
So which is it’s kind of
convenient.

543
00:18:56.250 –> 00:18:57.210
Speaker:
It was very first episode.

544
00:18:57.210 –> 00:19:00.210
Speaker:
He does find somebody who just
spills the beans on a. Yeah.

545
00:19:00.210 –> 00:19:00.569
Speaker:
Okay.

546
00:19:00.569 –> 00:19:03.730
Speaker:
So some people are very
suspicious of that.

547
00:19:03.730 –> 00:19:04.690
Speaker:
It’s very convenient.

548
00:19:04.690 –> 00:19:06.170
Speaker:
But the guy did say, I mean, it

549
00:19:06.170 –> 00:19:07.410
Speaker:
is recorded, it’s a recorded

550
00:19:07.410 –> 00:19:08.930
Speaker:
conversation, but a lot of these

551
00:19:08.930 –> 00:19:10.769
Speaker:
convicted killers do just they

552
00:19:10.769 –> 00:19:12.089
Speaker:
want attention and to be

553
00:19:12.089 –> 00:19:12.730
Speaker:
relevant.

554
00:19:12.730 –> 00:19:14.769
Speaker:
So maybe he’s just.

555
00:19:14.769 –> 00:19:16.410
Speaker:
Well, I think that you’re right.

556
00:19:16.410 –> 00:19:17.329
Speaker:
I think the police would

557
00:19:17.329 –> 00:19:20.369
Speaker:
probably have like a not it

558
00:19:20.369 –> 00:19:21.609
Speaker:
wouldn’t be a cold case anymore

559
00:19:21.609 –> 00:19:23.529
Speaker:
because they’d have a confession

560
00:19:23.529 –> 00:19:24.049
Speaker:
and.

561
00:19:25.130 –> 00:19:25.369
Speaker:
Yeah.

562
00:19:25.369 –> 00:19:26.049
Speaker:
Right.

563
00:19:26.049 –> 00:19:27.299
Speaker:
Exactly.

564
00:19:27.299 –> 00:19:32.099
Speaker:
Uh, so this is the part to
where, um, Phil is actually

565
00:19:32.099 –> 00:19:36.480
Speaker:
talking to, um, William Clyde
Gibson and his prison, I guess

566
00:19:36.480 –> 00:19:39.859
Speaker:
the prison about the case here.

567
00:19:40.900 –> 00:19:41.579
Speaker:
Hello.

568
00:19:41.579 –> 00:19:46.700
Speaker:
This is a prepaid call from
William Gibson, an inmate at the

569
00:19:46.700 –> 00:19:48.460
Speaker:
Indiana State Prison.

570
00:19:48.460 –> 00:19:49.940
Speaker:
Here’s what I want to ask you.

571
00:19:49.940 –> 00:19:53.339
Speaker:
Clyde, are you positive you
killed Elizabeth Bannister in

572
00:19:53.339 –> 00:19:57.660
Speaker:
Evansville, Indiana, which was a
very high profile case?

573
00:19:57.660 –> 00:19:59.180
Speaker:
Yes.

574
00:19:59.180 –> 00:20:01.180
Speaker:
Elizabeth Bannister is a cold

575
00:20:01.180 –> 00:20:03.200
Speaker:
case murder that dates back

576
00:20:03.200 –> 00:20:04.059
Speaker:
twenty years.

577
00:20:04.059 –> 00:20:05.940
Speaker:
So we know the details of the
case.

578
00:20:05.940 –> 00:20:07.500
Speaker:
We know that Elizabeth was

579
00:20:07.500 –> 00:20:09.140
Speaker:
killed inside of her home, which

580
00:20:09.140 –> 00:20:10.259
Speaker:
was split up into little

581
00:20:10.259 –> 00:20:11.180
Speaker:
apartments.

582
00:20:11.180 –> 00:20:12.940
Speaker:
We know she was stabbed to
death.

583
00:20:12.940 –> 00:20:14.180
Speaker:
We also know that the

584
00:20:14.180 –> 00:20:15.740
Speaker:
perpetrator escaped without

585
00:20:15.740 –> 00:20:16.420
Speaker:
being seen.

586
00:20:16.420 –> 00:20:18.160
Speaker:
My next step now is to talk to

587
00:20:18.160 –> 00:20:20.019
Speaker:
William Clyde Gibson and to see

588
00:20:20.019 –> 00:20:21.059
Speaker:
what he has to say about the

589
00:20:21.059 –> 00:20:23.039
Speaker:
case, and see if his story

590
00:20:23.039 –> 00:20:24.500
Speaker:
matches up with the story the

591
00:20:24.500 –> 00:20:26.349
Speaker:
media released.

592
00:20:26.349 –> 00:20:28.029
Speaker:
A lot of your crimes have to run
together.

593
00:20:28.029 –> 00:20:30.269
Speaker:
How do you know of her
specifically?

594
00:20:30.269 –> 00:20:31.470
Speaker:
Well, I just remember.

595
00:20:31.470 –> 00:20:34.109
Speaker:
But just mainly because of what
she looked like.

596
00:20:34.109 –> 00:20:35.950
Speaker:
How do you know that was her
name, though?

597
00:20:35.950 –> 00:20:37.349
Speaker:
Well, she told me her name when

598
00:20:37.349 –> 00:20:38.630
Speaker:
I first met her, and I just

599
00:20:38.630 –> 00:20:39.269
Speaker:
remembered.

600
00:20:39.269 –> 00:20:41.190
Speaker:
Okay, there’s a lot of details I

601
00:20:41.190 –> 00:20:43.109
Speaker:
don’t remember just because of

602
00:20:43.109 –> 00:20:43.670
Speaker:
the time.

603
00:20:43.670 –> 00:20:47.190
Speaker:
There’s so many other people
that I killed, it’s hard to keep

604
00:20:47.190 –> 00:20:48.309
Speaker:
it all in line.

605
00:20:48.309 –> 00:20:49.470
Speaker:
Was it a big case?

606
00:20:49.470 –> 00:20:51.390
Speaker:
Like, was it on the news and
stuff?

607
00:20:52.750 –> 00:20:56.190
Speaker:
Well, you know, I don’t really
know because I went back to New

608
00:20:56.190 –> 00:20:58.869
Speaker:
Orleans, so we don’t get much
news down there.

609
00:20:58.869 –> 00:20:59.869
Speaker:
You know what I mean?

610
00:21:01.150 –> 00:21:02.150
Speaker:
Walk me through it.

611
00:21:02.150 –> 00:21:05.549
Speaker:
You’re literally from the very
beginning moment you laid eyes

612
00:21:05.549 –> 00:21:06.750
Speaker:
on Elizabeth Bannister.

613
00:21:06.750 –> 00:21:07.589
Speaker:
Where how?

614
00:21:07.589 –> 00:21:10.589
Speaker:
I mean, walk me through the
whole story until you left.

615
00:21:10.589 –> 00:21:12.910
Speaker:
Well, like I said, I’ve just
seen her on the side of the road

616
00:21:12.910 –> 00:21:16.509
Speaker:
waving her hands and shit, just
wanting a ride.

617
00:21:16.509 –> 00:21:18.190
Speaker:
I picked her up, and then, you

618
00:21:18.190 –> 00:21:19.829
Speaker:
know that you you picked you up

619
00:21:19.829 –> 00:21:21.230
Speaker:
and you took her to her house,

620
00:21:21.230 –> 00:21:22.710
Speaker:
right?

621
00:21:22.710 –> 00:21:24.410
Speaker:
Right.

622
00:21:24.410 –> 00:21:26.289
Speaker:
as far as I can remember.

623
00:21:26.289 –> 00:21:29.210
Speaker:
I mean, like I said, I was, I
was stoned.

624
00:21:29.210 –> 00:21:30.130
Speaker:
What did I tell you?

625
00:21:30.130 –> 00:21:31.970
Speaker:
Might not be exactly correct,

626
00:21:31.970 –> 00:21:34.390
Speaker:
but I remember a great thing for

627
00:21:34.390 –> 00:21:35.690
Speaker:
some reason.

628
00:21:35.690 –> 00:21:38.130
Speaker:
I’m pretty sure that’s okay.

629
00:21:38.130 –> 00:21:41.690
Speaker:
But it was like a like a big
apartment type building or

630
00:21:41.690 –> 00:21:45.730
Speaker:
something like a house, but it
was a bunch of apartments.

631
00:21:45.730 –> 00:21:48.170
Speaker:
So that’s what it seemed like to
me.

632
00:21:48.170 –> 00:21:50.450
Speaker:
It was nighttime when we went.

633
00:21:50.450 –> 00:21:54.450
Speaker:
Yeah, I have, I can’t, I don’t
recall that much of it.

634
00:21:54.450 –> 00:21:57.890
Speaker:
And did you kind of walk into
the apartment with her?

635
00:21:57.890 –> 00:21:59.809
Speaker:
There was other people around
too.

636
00:21:59.809 –> 00:22:01.289
Speaker:
I mean, it wasn’t like, you

637
00:22:01.289 –> 00:22:03.690
Speaker:
know, it was incognito type

638
00:22:03.690 –> 00:22:04.130
Speaker:
stuff.

639
00:22:04.130 –> 00:22:06.210
Speaker:
I mean, you know, it was it was

640
00:22:06.210 –> 00:22:08.650
Speaker:
outside and shit, but it was

641
00:22:08.650 –> 00:22:09.170
Speaker:
just weird.

642
00:22:09.170 –> 00:22:11.089
Speaker:
I mean, it shouldn’t happen like

643
00:22:11.089 –> 00:22:13.869
Speaker:
that to me many times where I

644
00:22:13.869 –> 00:22:15.009
Speaker:
should have been caught, you

645
00:22:15.009 –> 00:22:15.450
Speaker:
know?

646
00:22:15.450 –> 00:22:16.130
Speaker:
Right.

647
00:22:17.410 –> 00:22:19.970
Speaker:
I just killed her and pretty
much left.

648
00:22:19.970 –> 00:22:25.980
Speaker:
I didn’t, I didn’t hack her up
and stabbed her up.

649
00:22:25.980 –> 00:22:27.019
Speaker:
You stabbed her?

650
00:22:28.019 –> 00:22:28.660
Speaker:
Mhm.

651
00:22:28.660 –> 00:22:29.460
Speaker:
So you’re just like.

652
00:22:29.460 –> 00:22:31.180
Speaker:
I kind of have the the feeling
I’m.

653
00:22:31.180 –> 00:22:32.220
Speaker:
I think I can kill this girl.

654
00:22:32.220 –> 00:22:33.740
Speaker:
I’m going to follow her in and
do this.

655
00:22:33.740 –> 00:22:34.299
Speaker:
Yeah.

656
00:22:34.299 –> 00:22:34.619
Speaker:
Yeah.

657
00:22:34.619 –> 00:22:37.059
Speaker:
I mean, that’s that’s how it
works.

658
00:22:37.059 –> 00:22:38.579
Speaker:
That’s how I did most of them.

659
00:22:38.579 –> 00:22:40.259
Speaker:
I mean, I just go out with that

660
00:22:40.259 –> 00:22:42.740
Speaker:
mindset and that’s what ended up

661
00:22:42.740 –> 00:22:43.539
Speaker:
happening.

662
00:22:43.539 –> 00:22:46.380
Speaker:
I never knew exactly who it was
going to be, you know.

663
00:22:46.380 –> 00:22:47.339
Speaker:
Right, right.

664
00:22:47.339 –> 00:22:49.220
Speaker:
Do you remember stabbing her and
where’d you stab her?

665
00:22:49.220 –> 00:22:50.420
Speaker:
And how many times?

666
00:22:50.420 –> 00:22:53.859
Speaker:
If I sit around and think about
it for a while, it might come

667
00:22:53.859 –> 00:22:54.579
Speaker:
back to me.

668
00:22:54.579 –> 00:22:57.500
Speaker:
I mean, I see, I see it in my
mind.

669
00:22:57.500 –> 00:22:58.220
Speaker:
You know what I mean?

670
00:22:58.220 –> 00:23:00.220
Speaker:
When you left, did anybody see
you leave?

671
00:23:01.539 –> 00:23:04.299
Speaker:
Well, I wasn’t really paying
attention, but I’m sure that

672
00:23:04.299 –> 00:23:05.940
Speaker:
people did see me leave.

673
00:23:05.940 –> 00:23:06.700
Speaker:
Got the hell out of there.

674
00:23:06.700 –> 00:23:09.059
Speaker:
Got in your truck and went home.

675
00:23:09.059 –> 00:23:09.700
Speaker:
Yeah.

676
00:23:12.579 –> 00:23:13.259
Speaker:
All right, so that’s.

677
00:23:13.259 –> 00:23:14.819
Speaker:
I mean, I could go on.

678
00:23:14.819 –> 00:23:16.539
Speaker:
You can listen to the rest of
the episode if you’d like.

679
00:23:16.539 –> 00:23:20.349
Speaker:
It’s actually pretty
interesting, but, um, I mean, so

680
00:23:20.349 –> 00:23:24.230
Speaker:
someone says, um, if he said he
killed her, why not believe him?

681
00:23:24.230 –> 00:23:25.430
Speaker:
Um, that’s a good question.

682
00:23:25.430 –> 00:23:27.589
Speaker:
Uh, Sarah, the sister doesn’t

683
00:23:27.589 –> 00:23:28.829
Speaker:
believe him because some of the

684
00:23:28.829 –> 00:23:30.470
Speaker:
details don’t line up with what

685
00:23:30.470 –> 00:23:31.910
Speaker:
apparently happened.

686
00:23:31.910 –> 00:23:32.269
Speaker:
Did.

687
00:23:32.269 –> 00:23:34.390
Speaker:
Was there a mirror that was
broken?

688
00:23:34.390 –> 00:23:36.029
Speaker:
That’s a good question, I don’t
know.

689
00:23:36.029 –> 00:23:38.190
Speaker:
Um, but that’s a very specific
thing to mention.

690
00:23:38.190 –> 00:23:39.869
Speaker:
If there maybe there was a
broken mirror.

691
00:23:39.869 –> 00:23:41.309
Speaker:
Again, there’s not much they

692
00:23:41.309 –> 00:23:42.829
Speaker:
haven’t released a lot about the

693
00:23:42.829 –> 00:23:43.630
Speaker:
case.

694
00:23:43.630 –> 00:23:45.349
Speaker:
The murder weapon, we assume was
a knife.

695
00:23:45.349 –> 00:23:45.710
Speaker:
It was.

696
00:23:45.710 –> 00:23:47.109
Speaker:
I don’t think it was ever found.

697
00:23:47.109 –> 00:23:49.910
Speaker:
I think they’re withholding some
of the information.

698
00:23:49.910 –> 00:23:52.789
Speaker:
Um, to see if, you know,
somebody does come forward.

699
00:23:52.789 –> 00:23:54.789
Speaker:
At some point, they might know
something and they don’t want to

700
00:23:54.789 –> 00:23:57.509
Speaker:
release everything, obviously,
because for that reason.

701
00:23:57.509 –> 00:23:59.910
Speaker:
But Sarah, I think Indiana.

702
00:23:59.910 –> 00:24:00.750
Speaker:
Exactly.

703
00:24:00.750 –> 00:24:04.509
Speaker:
Some of the information doesn’t
line up with whatever actually

704
00:24:04.509 –> 00:24:05.710
Speaker:
happened, according to Sarah.

705
00:24:05.710 –> 00:24:07.269
Speaker:
So I don’t know what that is.

706
00:24:07.269 –> 00:24:09.390
Speaker:
If. Well, is is he saying that

707
00:24:09.390 –> 00:24:10.990
Speaker:
he gave her a ride to her house

708
00:24:10.990 –> 00:24:12.470
Speaker:
and then went in with her and

709
00:24:12.470 –> 00:24:12.829
Speaker:
killed her?

710
00:24:12.829 –> 00:24:14.950
Speaker:
Because that’s like, not what
happened, right?

711
00:24:14.950 –> 00:24:17.150
Speaker:
Because she was at home
beforehand.

712
00:24:17.150 –> 00:24:19.000
Speaker:
Well, One thing, right?

713
00:24:19.000 –> 00:24:19.559
Speaker:
She was at home.

714
00:24:19.559 –> 00:24:21.359
Speaker:
So one thing that could have
happened is where she was

715
00:24:21.359 –> 00:24:23.880
Speaker:
hailing or, you know, waiting
for a cab on the corner.

716
00:24:23.880 –> 00:24:26.559
Speaker:
Maybe he drove by and saw her
there.

717
00:24:26.559 –> 00:24:29.680
Speaker:
Um. Oh it didn’t this wasn’t

718
00:24:29.680 –> 00:24:31.599
Speaker:
discussed in, but she apparently

719
00:24:31.599 –> 00:24:33.119
Speaker:
was prostituting at that time

720
00:24:33.119 –> 00:24:33.880
Speaker:
too.

721
00:24:33.880 –> 00:24:35.799
Speaker:
So I don’t know if he picked her
up for that reason.

722
00:24:35.799 –> 00:24:40.099
Speaker:
And under that circumstance, um,
he, she was bringing him back

723
00:24:40.099 –> 00:24:43.940
Speaker:
under those circumstances, but
apparently she had called a cab

724
00:24:43.940 –> 00:24:45.440
Speaker:
but didn’t make it to the cab.

725
00:24:45.440 –> 00:24:48.279
Speaker:
So I don’t know if she was
standing outside and he happened

726
00:24:48.279 –> 00:24:49.119
Speaker:
to see her.

727
00:24:50.119 –> 00:24:51.680
Speaker:
You know, that’s not clear.

728
00:24:51.680 –> 00:24:54.559
Speaker:
So was he like a big rig truck
driver?

729
00:24:54.559 –> 00:24:56.039
Speaker:
Um, that I don’t know.

730
00:24:56.039 –> 00:24:56.799
Speaker:
I don’t think he was.

731
00:24:56.799 –> 00:24:58.839
Speaker:
I think I’m not aware that he
was a truck driver.

732
00:24:58.839 –> 00:25:00.720
Speaker:
I just think he was out.

733
00:25:00.720 –> 00:25:02.720
Speaker:
Oh, he was just, like, in a
truck driving.

734
00:25:02.720 –> 00:25:04.519
Speaker:
And then she held him.

735
00:25:04.519 –> 00:25:06.680
Speaker:
I get it, yeah.

736
00:25:06.680 –> 00:25:07.359
Speaker:
Um.

737
00:25:07.359 –> 00:25:07.640
Speaker:
Sarah.

738
00:25:07.640 –> 00:25:08.960
Speaker:
Sarah doesn’t believe it.

739
00:25:08.960 –> 00:25:11.400
Speaker:
Um, after talking.

740
00:25:12.759 –> 00:25:14.559
Speaker:
After talking to him, do you
believe his story?

741
00:25:14.559 –> 00:25:18.940
Speaker:
What’s your feeling after
talking to, I think he’s he’s

742
00:25:18.940 –> 00:25:21.440
Speaker:
talking about like that
interview after like listening

743
00:25:21.440 –> 00:25:25.819
Speaker:
to that interview, you know, I
don’t know why someone would

744
00:25:25.819 –> 00:25:27.420
Speaker:
make up something so random.

745
00:25:27.420 –> 00:25:29.660
Speaker:
It seems so specific to me.

746
00:25:29.660 –> 00:25:30.859
Speaker:
I would be leaning towards that.

747
00:25:30.859 –> 00:25:31.779
Speaker:
He did it like, I don’t know

748
00:25:31.779 –> 00:25:33.619
Speaker:
what he has to gain by bringing

749
00:25:33.619 –> 00:25:34.940
Speaker:
up Elizabeth Bannister, of all

750
00:25:34.940 –> 00:25:35.819
Speaker:
people, because it really

751
00:25:35.819 –> 00:25:37.740
Speaker:
wasn’t, uh, it’s kind of a

752
00:25:37.740 –> 00:25:38.259
Speaker:
random case.

753
00:25:38.259 –> 00:25:41.460
Speaker:
It’s not like some sort of
prolific case everyone’s been

754
00:25:41.460 –> 00:25:43.019
Speaker:
talking about for twenty years.

755
00:25:43.019 –> 00:25:44.220
Speaker:
It’s something.

756
00:25:44.220 –> 00:25:47.619
Speaker:
But was it a big case at the
time?

757
00:25:47.619 –> 00:25:48.339
Speaker:
It just wasn’t.

758
00:25:48.339 –> 00:25:51.420
Speaker:
I think some of these it was a
kind of a bizarre case, but it

759
00:25:51.420 –> 00:25:52.180
Speaker:
didn’t get a lot.

760
00:25:52.180 –> 00:25:53.180
Speaker:
It wasn’t like a national.

761
00:25:53.180 –> 00:25:54.460
Speaker:
I don’t understand why this one

762
00:25:54.460 –> 00:25:56.599
Speaker:
isn’t like a Dateline NBC forty

763
00:25:56.599 –> 00:25:58.980
Speaker:
eight hours kind of high profile

764
00:25:58.980 –> 00:25:59.460
Speaker:
case.

765
00:25:59.460 –> 00:26:00.559
Speaker:
Like I could see Nancy Grace,

766
00:26:00.559 –> 00:26:01.940
Speaker:
like going crazy on something

767
00:26:01.940 –> 00:26:02.900
Speaker:
like this.

768
00:26:02.900 –> 00:26:05.660
Speaker:
I mean, you have all these
suspects and just the craziness

769
00:26:05.660 –> 00:26:08.460
Speaker:
of it, but it really wasn’t, um,
she was just murdered.

770
00:26:08.460 –> 00:26:12.059
Speaker:
And, you know, police just, I
think for people like that who

771
00:26:12.059 –> 00:26:14.944
Speaker:
are kind of living on the
outskirts of society, they don’t

772
00:26:14.944 –> 00:26:18.349
Speaker:
get a lot of, you know, if she
had come from a wealthy family,

773
00:26:18.349 –> 00:26:19.430
Speaker:
probably she’d have.

774
00:26:19.430 –> 00:26:22.309
Speaker:
This has gotten a lot more
attention, right?

775
00:26:22.309 –> 00:26:24.109
Speaker:
To be honest, it just didn’t.

776
00:26:24.109 –> 00:26:25.349
Speaker:
Well, he said that there was

777
00:26:25.349 –> 00:26:26.829
Speaker:
people all around when they went

778
00:26:26.829 –> 00:26:27.470
Speaker:
in, right?

779
00:26:27.470 –> 00:26:27.789
Speaker:
Like.

780
00:26:27.789 –> 00:26:27.950
Speaker:
Right.

781
00:26:27.950 –> 00:26:29.869
Speaker:
And nobody says nobody saw
anything.

782
00:26:29.869 –> 00:26:33.190
Speaker:
I mean, they have to believe the
police must really believe all

783
00:26:33.190 –> 00:26:36.470
Speaker:
of the people in the house, or I
could I cannot imagine that

784
00:26:36.470 –> 00:26:38.829
Speaker:
they’d all all be lying.

785
00:26:38.829 –> 00:26:42.390
Speaker:
Um, and having seen this killer
come in, it seems like somebody

786
00:26:42.390 –> 00:26:43.910
Speaker:
would have said, oh, yeah, we
saw this guy.

787
00:26:43.910 –> 00:26:44.630
Speaker:
And the fact that he.

788
00:26:44.630 –> 00:26:47.150
Speaker:
For sure, I don’t know if, you
know, somebody could have seen

789
00:26:47.150 –> 00:26:47.589
Speaker:
me or not.

790
00:26:47.589 –> 00:26:48.789
Speaker:
It seems like you’d remember if

791
00:26:48.789 –> 00:26:50.049
Speaker:
somebody saw you after you

792
00:26:50.049 –> 00:26:50.829
Speaker:
murdered somebody.

793
00:26:50.829 –> 00:26:52.950
Speaker:
Like it seems like that would
stick in your head like, oh,

794
00:26:52.950 –> 00:26:56.549
Speaker:
yeah, there was a guy standing
there and he’d be like, drenched

795
00:26:56.549 –> 00:26:59.789
Speaker:
in blood, probably, you know?

796
00:26:59.789 –> 00:27:00.630
Speaker:
Right.

797
00:27:00.630 –> 00:27:04.349
Speaker:
Um, but these people who were in
this house, I think it’s again,

798
00:27:04.349 –> 00:27:05.109
Speaker:
kind of like you.

799
00:27:05.109 –> 00:27:07.109
Speaker:
You were saying it’s kind of a
seedy neighborhood.

800
00:27:07.109 –> 00:27:10.109
Speaker:
And I, I don’t think these are,
you know, people up late

801
00:27:10.109 –> 00:27:11.509
Speaker:
studying kind of people.

802
00:27:11.509 –> 00:27:15.079
Speaker:
They’re probably all Drunken
high or whatever.

803
00:27:15.079 –> 00:27:17.559
Speaker:
So yeah, they might have just.

804
00:27:17.559 –> 00:27:19.799
Speaker:
If they did see something,
they’re not they weren’t paying.

805
00:27:19.799 –> 00:27:20.279
Speaker:
Attention.

806
00:27:20.279 –> 00:27:22.400
Speaker:
I don’t know, it’s just a sad
situation.

807
00:27:22.400 –> 00:27:24.759
Speaker:
Um, Sarah doesn’t buy it.

808
00:27:24.759 –> 00:27:27.279
Speaker:
Um, so the and the case is still
active.

809
00:27:27.279 –> 00:27:28.119
Speaker:
It’s not closed.

810
00:27:28.119 –> 00:27:30.400
Speaker:
So I don’t think the police

811
00:27:30.400 –> 00:27:31.839
Speaker:
necessarily buy his story

812
00:27:31.839 –> 00:27:32.640
Speaker:
either.

813
00:27:33.680 –> 00:27:34.359
Speaker:
Yeah.

814
00:27:34.359 –> 00:27:39.079
Speaker:
I mean, that mirror detail would
definitely like, like be

815
00:27:39.079 –> 00:27:41.460
Speaker:
something that they would be
able to check or they would

816
00:27:41.460 –> 00:27:43.720
Speaker:
like, know about, you know?

817
00:27:43.720 –> 00:27:44.079
Speaker:
Yeah.

818
00:27:44.079 –> 00:27:47.240
Speaker:
I mean, to me that’s like an, if
there was a, a weird mirror that

819
00:27:47.240 –> 00:27:50.279
Speaker:
had broken or something that
would be a case closed situation

820
00:27:50.279 –> 00:27:52.720
Speaker:
in my mind, like what are the
chances that he knows about a

821
00:27:52.720 –> 00:27:54.640
Speaker:
mirror that was broken?

822
00:27:54.640 –> 00:27:57.759
Speaker:
Um, was she killed in the
bathroom or in her room?

823
00:27:57.759 –> 00:28:02.400
Speaker:
I don’t know, I. Sarah had
mentioned in, um, in a podcast

824
00:28:02.400 –> 00:28:04.400
Speaker:
that she was up in her room.

825
00:28:04.400 –> 00:28:05.759
Speaker:
So she mentioned that somebody

826
00:28:05.759 –> 00:28:06.779
Speaker:
would have had to have come in

827
00:28:06.779 –> 00:28:08.640
Speaker:
two doors in the bottom door and

828
00:28:08.640 –> 00:28:09.960
Speaker:
then gone upstairs and then gone

829
00:28:09.960 –> 00:28:11.619
Speaker:
into her bedroom or her

830
00:28:11.619 –> 00:28:12.740
Speaker:
apartment.

831
00:28:12.740 –> 00:28:14.940
Speaker:
Oh, I think she was killed in

832
00:28:14.940 –> 00:28:15.900
Speaker:
her apartment, which was

833
00:28:15.900 –> 00:28:16.420
Speaker:
upstairs.

834
00:28:16.420 –> 00:28:17.839
Speaker:
So it’s not like somebody

835
00:28:17.839 –> 00:28:20.299
Speaker:
staggered in and randomly killed

836
00:28:20.299 –> 00:28:20.500
Speaker:
her.

837
00:28:20.500 –> 00:28:23.220
Speaker:
They would have had to have gone
to her apartment.

838
00:28:23.220 –> 00:28:23.900
Speaker:
Um.

839
00:28:23.900 –> 00:28:24.180
Speaker:
Right.

840
00:28:24.180 –> 00:28:25.720
Speaker:
And what I understand about the

841
00:28:25.720 –> 00:28:27.380
Speaker:
house is that there was like a

842
00:28:27.380 –> 00:28:28.859
Speaker:
communal bathroom.

843
00:28:28.859 –> 00:28:30.900
Speaker:
And then each of like the then

844
00:28:30.900 –> 00:28:32.460
Speaker:
there was like little apartments

845
00:28:32.460 –> 00:28:33.099
Speaker:
throughout.

846
00:28:33.099 –> 00:28:34.019
Speaker:
Right?

847
00:28:34.019 –> 00:28:34.539
Speaker:
Right.

848
00:28:34.539 –> 00:28:36.660
Speaker:
It had been converted to
multiple apartments.

849
00:28:36.660 –> 00:28:38.940
Speaker:
So but they all shared one
bathroom.

850
00:28:38.940 –> 00:28:41.779
Speaker:
So, you know, people are coming,
coming and going all the time.

851
00:28:41.779 –> 00:28:45.900
Speaker:
I assume that would be an
interesting living situation.

852
00:28:45.900 –> 00:28:48.240
Speaker:
So. And then and then her mom’s

853
00:28:48.240 –> 00:28:49.700
Speaker:
ex-boyfriend slash her

854
00:28:49.700 –> 00:28:52.119
Speaker:
boyfriend, he lived in the same

855
00:28:52.119 –> 00:28:54.579
Speaker:
apartment thing, but didn’t she

856
00:28:54.579 –> 00:28:55.859
Speaker:
also have an ex-boyfriend that

857
00:28:55.859 –> 00:28:56.660
Speaker:
lived there?

858
00:28:56.660 –> 00:28:57.259
Speaker:
Yeah.

859
00:28:57.259 –> 00:29:00.019
Speaker:
So some of the early reports
were, I think people were

860
00:29:00.019 –> 00:29:01.819
Speaker:
confused on the relationships.

861
00:29:01.819 –> 00:29:04.579
Speaker:
I think because some of the
reports say, oh, yeah, an

862
00:29:04.579 –> 00:29:07.500
Speaker:
ex-boyfriend and her mom’s
ex-boyfriend lived there.

863
00:29:07.500 –> 00:29:09.460
Speaker:
That was the same person.

864
00:29:09.460 –> 00:29:10.109
Speaker:
I think.

865
00:29:10.109 –> 00:29:13.349
Speaker:
I don’t think her she had an ex
living there along with the guy

866
00:29:13.349 –> 00:29:17.190
Speaker:
she was dating, Mark, who was
her mom’s ex, but they have not

867
00:29:17.190 –> 00:29:19.349
Speaker:
released who these other people
in the house were.

868
00:29:19.349 –> 00:29:20.509
Speaker:
Um, so I don’t know.

869
00:29:21.670 –> 00:29:25.230
Speaker:
And then like the guy that came
over to or that gave her money

870
00:29:25.230 –> 00:29:29.190
Speaker:
for the that I think maybe
that’s like he was getting drugs

871
00:29:29.190 –> 00:29:33.089
Speaker:
or getting like, uh, like paying
for sex or something because

872
00:29:33.089 –> 00:29:35.869
Speaker:
like, why would he come over and
give her money for the payphone

873
00:29:35.869 –> 00:29:39.869
Speaker:
and then leave and then come
back to check or something like

874
00:29:39.869 –> 00:29:41.269
Speaker:
that doesn’t sound right.

875
00:29:41.269 –> 00:29:43.950
Speaker:
That sounds like a story to me
of some kind.

876
00:29:43.950 –> 00:29:46.990
Speaker:
Like he was buying like, I agree
there was something else there.

877
00:29:46.990 –> 00:29:48.029
Speaker:
Like, why would you give some I

878
00:29:48.029 –> 00:29:49.289
Speaker:
mean, what is a phone call like

879
00:29:49.289 –> 00:29:50.549
Speaker:
a quarter at the time or

880
00:29:50.549 –> 00:29:50.910
Speaker:
something?

881
00:29:50.910 –> 00:29:53.730
Speaker:
Like when I came back, she’s
going to get it back like

882
00:29:53.730 –> 00:29:56.609
Speaker:
afterwards, like she had the
money she would already like,

883
00:29:56.609 –> 00:29:58.470
Speaker:
why would she what did he think
she was doing?

884
00:29:58.470 –> 00:30:01.130
Speaker:
Maybe she, he thought she was
going to be earning some money

885
00:30:01.130 –> 00:30:03.029
Speaker:
doing something, and then he was
going to come back and get the

886
00:30:03.029 –> 00:30:06.390
Speaker:
money, maybe see something about
that doesn’t make any sense.

887
00:30:06.390 –> 00:30:07.230
Speaker:
Yeah, definitely.

888
00:30:07.230 –> 00:30:09.039
Speaker:
And why would he come back to
check on her?

889
00:30:09.039 –> 00:30:10.000
Speaker:
Like what?

890
00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:11.920
Speaker:
I hope the police ask these
questions.

891
00:30:11.920 –> 00:30:12.720
Speaker:
That’s all I have to say.

892
00:30:12.720 –> 00:30:14.680
Speaker:
Like, why did you think you
needed to?

893
00:30:14.680 –> 00:30:17.440
Speaker:
Like, if I let someone borrow a
dollar or whatever, it was like,

894
00:30:17.440 –> 00:30:21.579
Speaker:
I’m not going to at one o’clock
in the morning, go to check on

895
00:30:21.579 –> 00:30:22.599
Speaker:
them an hour later.

896
00:30:22.599 –> 00:30:23.960
Speaker:
Oh, is everything still okay?

897
00:30:23.960 –> 00:30:25.920
Speaker:
You know, why would I do that?

898
00:30:25.920 –> 00:30:28.559
Speaker:
Yeah, that doesn’t make it
doesn’t make sense.

899
00:30:28.559 –> 00:30:29.640
Speaker:
But again, we’re dealing with

900
00:30:29.640 –> 00:30:30.880
Speaker:
some probably some interesting

901
00:30:30.880 –> 00:30:31.680
Speaker:
people here.

902
00:30:31.680 –> 00:30:33.599
Speaker:
Um, so Sarah, later on, like

903
00:30:33.599 –> 00:30:35.519
Speaker:
when she turns eighteen, starts

904
00:30:35.519 –> 00:30:37.079
Speaker:
investigating herself, like,

905
00:30:37.079 –> 00:30:38.160
Speaker:
she’s like, she wants to find

906
00:30:38.160 –> 00:30:39.279
Speaker:
the answers.

907
00:30:39.279 –> 00:30:40.640
Speaker:
So she goes back to the house.

908
00:30:40.640 –> 00:30:43.039
Speaker:
Of course, the house has been,
you know, knocked down.

909
00:30:43.039 –> 00:30:43.720
Speaker:
It’s a vacant lot.

910
00:30:43.720 –> 00:30:44.759
Speaker:
But she goes around to the

911
00:30:44.759 –> 00:30:46.039
Speaker:
neighbors and starts asking them

912
00:30:46.039 –> 00:30:46.480
Speaker:
questions.

913
00:30:46.480 –> 00:30:48.519
Speaker:
And one of the neighbors that

914
00:30:48.519 –> 00:30:49.920
Speaker:
was living there at the time was

915
00:30:49.920 –> 00:30:51.359
Speaker:
still there.

916
00:30:51.359 –> 00:30:53.759
Speaker:
So she was asking him questions.

917
00:30:53.759 –> 00:30:58.220
Speaker:
And he said he distinctly
remembers Elizabeth arguing with

918
00:30:58.220 –> 00:31:01.000
Speaker:
Mark in the yard that night.

919
00:31:01.000 –> 00:31:02.720
Speaker:
But Mark was working.

920
00:31:02.720 –> 00:31:04.400
Speaker:
So this is what the neighbor is
saying.

921
00:31:04.400 –> 00:31:05.559
Speaker:
He he knew Mark?

922
00:31:05.559 –> 00:31:07.380
Speaker:
Apparently so.

923
00:31:07.380 –> 00:31:10.900
Speaker:
I don’t know whether there’s any
if that’s believable or not.

924
00:31:10.900 –> 00:31:12.259
Speaker:
I have no idea.

925
00:31:12.259 –> 00:31:13.220
Speaker:
Well, I can’t decide if.

926
00:31:13.220 –> 00:31:16.539
Speaker:
I just don’t like Mark because
of what he did to like her

927
00:31:16.539 –> 00:31:18.339
Speaker:
little sisters and stuff.

928
00:31:18.339 –> 00:31:22.460
Speaker:
Or if, you know, because like,
that’s, that’s a person that I’m

929
00:31:22.460 –> 00:31:23.980
Speaker:
like, oh, yeah, he did it.

930
00:31:23.980 –> 00:31:27.099
Speaker:
He’s obviously a piece of crap,
you know, like, right.

931
00:31:27.099 –> 00:31:28.859
Speaker:
But I mean, there’s no shortage

932
00:31:28.859 –> 00:31:30.259
Speaker:
of reasons to not not like this

933
00:31:30.259 –> 00:31:30.859
Speaker:
guy.

934
00:31:30.859 –> 00:31:34.099
Speaker:
Um, but whether or not he did
it, I mean, the police

935
00:31:34.099 –> 00:31:38.940
Speaker:
apparently have they checked out
his alibi and they, they he’s

936
00:31:38.940 –> 00:31:40.140
Speaker:
he’s not a suspect.

937
00:31:40.140 –> 00:31:40.700
Speaker:
Apparently.

938
00:31:40.700 –> 00:31:44.420
Speaker:
For that reason, I would like to
dig into more about his alibi.

939
00:31:44.420 –> 00:31:45.940
Speaker:
Like what?

940
00:31:45.940 –> 00:31:47.099
Speaker:
What did he say he was doing?

941
00:31:47.099 –> 00:31:49.140
Speaker:
And is it possible to, like, you

942
00:31:49.140 –> 00:31:51.339
Speaker:
know, fudge those records or

943
00:31:51.339 –> 00:31:52.500
Speaker:
whatever to say he was, you

944
00:31:52.500 –> 00:31:53.700
Speaker:
know, or did he pay somebody off

945
00:31:53.700 –> 00:31:54.660
Speaker:
to say he was there and he

946
00:31:54.660 –> 00:31:55.819
Speaker:
wasn’t?

947
00:31:55.819 –> 00:31:56.819
Speaker:
Yeah.

948
00:31:56.819 –> 00:31:59.619
Speaker:
Because it just I know he’s not
a suspect and he was apparently

949
00:31:59.619 –> 00:32:01.819
Speaker:
working, but he’s got to be at
the top of the list.

950
00:32:01.819 –> 00:32:03.180
Speaker:
Then you have the serial killer

951
00:32:03.180 –> 00:32:04.644
Speaker:
coming forward saying he did it

952
00:32:04.644 –> 00:32:04.950
Speaker:
too.

953
00:32:04.950 –> 00:32:06.349
Speaker:
So do you.

954
00:32:06.349 –> 00:32:10.710
Speaker:
Did did he volunteer that, like
without the podcast or bringing

955
00:32:10.710 –> 00:32:13.109
Speaker:
it up, or did the podcaster
like, bring it up?

956
00:32:13.109 –> 00:32:16.910
Speaker:
He randomly brought it up in the
middle of the episode like he’s

957
00:32:16.910 –> 00:32:20.390
Speaker:
so he, the podcaster did.

958
00:32:20.390 –> 00:32:22.950
Speaker:
Had never heard of Elizabeth
Bannister before.

959
00:32:22.950 –> 00:32:25.170
Speaker:
So in the middle of the podcast,

960
00:32:25.170 –> 00:32:26.230
Speaker:
he’s talking about the other

961
00:32:26.230 –> 00:32:27.230
Speaker:
three murders, which are

962
00:32:27.230 –> 00:32:27.789
Speaker:
horrible.

963
00:32:27.789 –> 00:32:29.269
Speaker:
By the way, if you, if you’re,

964
00:32:29.269 –> 00:32:30.410
Speaker:
if you’re wanting to listen to

965
00:32:30.410 –> 00:32:30.710
Speaker:
those.

966
00:32:30.710 –> 00:32:31.990
Speaker:
But they’re just horrible.

967
00:32:31.990 –> 00:32:37.029
Speaker:
But he, he starts digging for
other cold case.

968
00:32:37.029 –> 00:32:38.349
Speaker:
You know, for him to drop hints

969
00:32:38.349 –> 00:32:39.509
Speaker:
about things and he, he just

970
00:32:39.509 –> 00:32:41.190
Speaker:
drops Elizabeth Bannister’s name

971
00:32:41.190 –> 00:32:41.589
Speaker:
randomly.

972
00:32:41.589 –> 00:32:42.390
Speaker:
He didn’t expect it.

973
00:32:42.390 –> 00:32:44.390
Speaker:
He was like, is this guy just
feeding me full.

974
00:32:44.390 –> 00:32:46.349
Speaker:
Is he just feeding me crap?

975
00:32:46.349 –> 00:32:49.269
Speaker:
So he googles Elizabeth
Bannister and finds out there is

976
00:32:49.269 –> 00:32:51.150
Speaker:
a cold case out of Evansville.

977
00:32:51.150 –> 00:32:53.150
Speaker:
And he’s like, oh, maybe he’s on
to something here.

978
00:32:53.150 –> 00:32:54.829
Speaker:
And he just goes on from there.

979
00:32:54.829 –> 00:32:57.950
Speaker:
So he did not like, um, go into
it thinking, oh, I’m gonna see

980
00:32:57.950 –> 00:32:59.910
Speaker:
if I can get him talking about
Elizabeth Bannister or anything.

981
00:32:59.910 –> 00:33:01.509
Speaker:
He brought it up himself.

982
00:33:04.279 –> 00:33:07.480
Speaker:
I mean, he could have googled it
or found cold cases and just

983
00:33:07.480 –> 00:33:11.440
Speaker:
randomly, you know, landed on
that one, I guess.

984
00:33:11.440 –> 00:33:12.720
Speaker:
But it’d be strange.

985
00:33:12.720 –> 00:33:15.200
Speaker:
But I don’t know what to think.

986
00:33:15.200 –> 00:33:17.160
Speaker:
It’s, it’s one of these things
that you can kind of convince

987
00:33:17.160 –> 00:33:20.720
Speaker:
yourself of multiple people
having done this.

988
00:33:20.720 –> 00:33:23.759
Speaker:
Well, I mean, any of those
people, it seems like the the

989
00:33:23.759 –> 00:33:27.799
Speaker:
cops like would have moved
forward on it if they’re if it’s

990
00:33:27.799 –> 00:33:32.119
Speaker:
still an active investigation,
you know, and I’ve gone down

991
00:33:32.119 –> 00:33:33.279
Speaker:
some rabbit holes myself.

992
00:33:33.279 –> 00:33:34.839
Speaker:
I’ve there are ways to find out

993
00:33:34.839 –> 00:33:36.279
Speaker:
who lived in certain places at

994
00:33:36.279 –> 00:33:37.559
Speaker:
certain times.

995
00:33:37.559 –> 00:33:39.000
Speaker:
So I’ve gone through lists of

996
00:33:39.000 –> 00:33:40.240
Speaker:
people who I think might have

997
00:33:40.240 –> 00:33:41.200
Speaker:
been living there at that time

998
00:33:41.200 –> 00:33:42.859
Speaker:
and like done background

999
00:33:42.859 –> 00:33:44.039
Speaker:
searches to find out if there

1000
00:33:44.039 –> 00:33:44.839
Speaker:
were someone who was there who

1001
00:33:44.839 –> 00:33:46.220
Speaker:
was like, who’s got some sort of

1002
00:33:46.220 –> 00:33:47.619
Speaker:
seedy history that would be

1003
00:33:47.619 –> 00:33:48.279
Speaker:
flagging me.

1004
00:33:48.279 –> 00:33:49.839
Speaker:
But, you know, it’s easy to get

1005
00:33:49.839 –> 00:33:51.160
Speaker:
lost down these rabbit holes

1006
00:33:51.160 –> 00:33:52.960
Speaker:
and, and you don’t know what

1007
00:33:52.960 –> 00:33:54.000
Speaker:
you’re really going to find

1008
00:33:54.000 –> 00:33:54.440
Speaker:
anyway.

1009
00:33:54.440 –> 00:33:56.839
Speaker:
But, um, because the truth is,

1010
00:33:56.839 –> 00:33:58.599
Speaker:
the people who rent these sorts

1011
00:33:58.599 –> 00:34:01.005
Speaker:
of rooms are, are not model

1012
00:34:01.005 –> 00:34:02.009
Speaker:
citizens.

1013
00:34:02.009 –> 00:34:05.529
Speaker:
So almost all of them have like
serious records.

1014
00:34:05.529 –> 00:34:08.210
Speaker:
Um, because they, they need
cheap places to live.

1015
00:34:08.210 –> 00:34:10.210
Speaker:
And, you know, she probably
accepted cash or something.

1016
00:34:10.210 –> 00:34:10.929
Speaker:
I mean, you know what I mean?

1017
00:34:10.929 –> 00:34:14.530
Speaker:
Like it’s a certain kind of
person is attracted to those

1018
00:34:14.530 –> 00:34:15.250
Speaker:
kinds of places.

1019
00:34:15.250 –> 00:34:18.329
Speaker:
So it’s, you know, it’s hard to
kind of nail down who might be a

1020
00:34:18.329 –> 00:34:20.530
Speaker:
suspect or who even was in the
house at that time.

1021
00:34:20.530 –> 00:34:23.329
Speaker:
I have to think that the owner
of the house, the seventy year

1022
00:34:23.329 –> 00:34:25.010
Speaker:
old lady, might have been one
of, I don’t know if she was one

1023
00:34:25.010 –> 00:34:27.210
Speaker:
of the three or if she was in
the basement and not even

1024
00:34:27.210 –> 00:34:29.010
Speaker:
considered being there.

1025
00:34:29.010 –> 00:34:31.130
Speaker:
I’m kind of confused on that.

1026
00:34:31.130 –> 00:34:32.389
Speaker:
I don’t know, it’s kind of like

1027
00:34:32.389 –> 00:34:34.269
Speaker:
funny to think of, I don’t know,

1028
00:34:34.269 –> 00:34:35.250
Speaker:
like an old lady in the

1029
00:34:35.250 –> 00:34:35.650
Speaker:
basement.

1030
00:34:35.650 –> 00:34:39.130
Speaker:
But it really, it really is.

1031
00:34:39.130 –> 00:34:41.530
Speaker:
The whole situation is just
bizarre.

1032
00:34:41.530 –> 00:34:44.690
Speaker:
Um, yeah, it really is.

1033
00:34:44.690 –> 00:34:45.489
Speaker:
I don’t know.

1034
00:34:45.489 –> 00:34:47.829
Speaker:
Uh, if you have any questions or

1035
00:34:47.829 –> 00:34:51.250
Speaker:
anyone in the chat does, um, let

1036
00:34:51.250 –> 00:34:51.849
Speaker:
me see.

1037
00:34:51.849 –> 00:34:53.409
Speaker:
Sorry.

1038
00:34:53.409 –> 00:34:56.449
Speaker:
Oh, it’s Evansdale and
Evansville.

1039
00:34:56.449 –> 00:34:57.849
Speaker:
Evansville.

1040
00:34:57.849 –> 00:34:59.869
Speaker:
That is a little confusing.

1041
00:34:59.869 –> 00:35:00.190
Speaker:
Yeah.

1042
00:35:00.190 –> 00:35:02.590
Speaker:
Evansville is in southern
Indiana.

1043
00:35:02.590 –> 00:35:04.190
Speaker:
Where’s Evansdale?

1044
00:35:04.190 –> 00:35:06.190
Speaker:
I’m not sure where Evansdale is.

1045
00:35:06.190 –> 00:35:06.989
Speaker:
Let me look.

1046
00:35:08.030 –> 00:35:08.789
Speaker:
Iowa.

1047
00:35:08.789 –> 00:35:10.710
Speaker:
Apparently, Evansdale is in
Iowa.

1048
00:35:12.030 –> 00:35:12.789
Speaker:
Interesting.

1049
00:35:12.789 –> 00:35:16.469
Speaker:
Um, well, yeah, I guess like

1050
00:35:16.469 –> 00:35:20.050
Speaker:
with that case, I would say that

1051
00:35:20.050 –> 00:35:22.030
Speaker:
that, um.

1052
00:35:22.030 –> 00:35:23.929
Speaker:
Yeah, this person said probably

1053
00:35:23.929 –> 00:35:28.530
Speaker:
walking from or to the payphone,

1054
00:35:28.530 –> 00:35:30.090
Speaker:
like that guy could have like

1055
00:35:30.090 –> 00:35:31.389
Speaker:
picked her up, I think is what

1056
00:35:31.389 –> 00:35:32.349
Speaker:
they’re saying.

1057
00:35:33.590 –> 00:35:34.630
Speaker:
Um, and she had only lived.

1058
00:35:34.630 –> 00:35:36.510
Speaker:
I’m kind of looking through my
notes here.

1059
00:35:36.510 –> 00:35:38.510
Speaker:
Um, she had dropped out of high
school.

1060
00:35:38.510 –> 00:35:39.670
Speaker:
She didn’t finish high school.

1061
00:35:39.670 –> 00:35:42.789
Speaker:
She had, um, she worked at
rallies, which is like a fast

1062
00:35:42.789 –> 00:35:45.989
Speaker:
food restaurant in Evansville
and the west side of Evansville.

1063
00:35:45.989 –> 00:35:49.250
Speaker:
Prior to her, a few months prior
to her death, she had worked,

1064
00:35:49.250 –> 00:35:51.070
Speaker:
um, at rallies.

1065
00:35:51.070 –> 00:35:51.909
Speaker:
According to one of her

1066
00:35:51.909 –> 00:35:53.190
Speaker:
coworkers who was apparently a

1067
00:35:53.190 –> 00:35:55.230
Speaker:
friend of hers, she only lived

1068
00:35:55.230 –> 00:35:56.750
Speaker:
there at the apartment for a few

1069
00:35:56.750 –> 00:35:58.320
Speaker:
weeks, apparently before she was

1070
00:35:58.320 –> 00:36:00.199
Speaker:
murdered there.

1071
00:36:00.199 –> 00:36:01.239
Speaker:
Oh. Her sister.

1072
00:36:01.239 –> 00:36:04.000
Speaker:
The last thing that she told her
was she hated her.

1073
00:36:04.000 –> 00:36:04.880
Speaker:
That’s sad.

1074
00:36:04.880 –> 00:36:07.599
Speaker:
Oh, what’s kind of strange about
Sarah?

1075
00:36:07.599 –> 00:36:08.199
Speaker:
She talks about.

1076
00:36:08.199 –> 00:36:09.760
Speaker:
And there’s a podcast called

1077
00:36:09.760 –> 00:36:12.639
Speaker:
Dealing Justice, where Sarah

1078
00:36:12.639 –> 00:36:14.519
Speaker:
talks about, um, her sister’s

1079
00:36:14.519 –> 00:36:14.920
Speaker:
case.

1080
00:36:14.920 –> 00:36:17.119
Speaker:
And she mentions that on the

1081
00:36:17.119 –> 00:36:18.360
Speaker:
night that Elizabeth was

1082
00:36:18.360 –> 00:36:19.719
Speaker:
murdered.

1083
00:36:19.719 –> 00:36:21.599
Speaker:
So she was murdered around, um,

1084
00:36:21.599 –> 00:36:23.440
Speaker:
the police were called and

1085
00:36:23.440 –> 00:36:25.559
Speaker:
arrived at one eleven a m on

1086
00:36:25.559 –> 00:36:27.000
Speaker:
January twentieth.

1087
00:36:27.000 –> 00:36:29.599
Speaker:
So around one eleven a m is when
all that happened.

1088
00:36:29.599 –> 00:36:31.400
Speaker:
Apparently, the night of

1089
00:36:31.400 –> 00:36:33.679
Speaker:
Elizabeth’s murder, Sarah had a

1090
00:36:33.679 –> 00:36:36.159
Speaker:
dream that Elizabeth was running

1091
00:36:36.159 –> 00:36:38.519
Speaker:
through the woods, being chased

1092
00:36:38.519 –> 00:36:39.719
Speaker:
by someone with a knife and

1093
00:36:39.719 –> 00:36:40.840
Speaker:
being killed by someone with a

1094
00:36:40.840 –> 00:36:41.719
Speaker:
knife.

1095
00:36:41.719 –> 00:36:45.639
Speaker:
And Sarah wakes up at one oh
four one oh two one oh three a

1096
00:36:45.639 –> 00:36:48.559
Speaker:
m. You know, in a panic
thinking, oh my God, Elizabeth

1097
00:36:48.559 –> 00:36:50.000
Speaker:
just got stabbed.

1098
00:36:50.000 –> 00:36:53.239
Speaker:
And little did she know that,
you know, one, she probably had

1099
00:36:53.239 –> 00:36:54.159
Speaker:
been at that time.

1100
00:36:54.159 –> 00:36:56.610
Speaker:
So very strange.

1101
00:36:56.610 –> 00:37:00.369
Speaker:
And I’m not saying she’s a
suspect or anything, but it’s

1102
00:37:00.369 –> 00:37:01.650
Speaker:
just really bizarre.

1103
00:37:01.650 –> 00:37:02.849
Speaker:
And then she, you know, they had

1104
00:37:02.849 –> 00:37:04.650
Speaker:
the the fight was the last real

1105
00:37:04.650 –> 00:37:06.210
Speaker:
conversation.

1106
00:37:06.210 –> 00:37:08.929
Speaker:
She later went through her, um,

1107
00:37:08.929 –> 00:37:09.889
Speaker:
Sarah was going through

1108
00:37:09.889 –> 00:37:12.090
Speaker:
Elizabeth’s things later on and

1109
00:37:12.090 –> 00:37:14.329
Speaker:
found a note that Elizabeth had

1110
00:37:14.329 –> 00:37:17.050
Speaker:
written to Sarah that said, I’m

1111
00:37:17.050 –> 00:37:19.210
Speaker:
sorry I forgive you, Sarah, I

1112
00:37:19.210 –> 00:37:20.010
Speaker:
love you.

1113
00:37:20.010 –> 00:37:20.889
Speaker:
So she never.

1114
00:37:20.889 –> 00:37:22.849
Speaker:
That’s way cool, at least.

1115
00:37:22.849 –> 00:37:23.849
Speaker:
Yeah, she did find that.

1116
00:37:23.849 –> 00:37:26.730
Speaker:
So she, of course, broke down,
uh, after finding that.

1117
00:37:26.730 –> 00:37:28.610
Speaker:
But I guess she never gave it to
Sarah.

1118
00:37:28.610 –> 00:37:30.010
Speaker:
But she found that in her stuff.

1119
00:37:30.010 –> 00:37:35.929
Speaker:
So just a horrible story all
around, basically.

1120
00:37:35.929 –> 00:37:38.170
Speaker:
Yeah, totally.

1121
00:37:38.170 –> 00:37:38.690
Speaker:
Yeah.

1122
00:37:38.690 –> 00:37:42.489
Speaker:
Um, I think I have another clip
we could watch really quick.

1123
00:37:42.489 –> 00:37:42.809
Speaker:
Okay.

1124
00:37:42.809 –> 00:37:45.570
Speaker:
Um, let me share my screen.

1125
00:37:48.010 –> 00:37:50.010
Speaker:
Oh, uh, somebody asked, was the

1126
00:37:50.010 –> 00:37:52.610
Speaker:
murder weapon found in DNA and

1127
00:37:52.610 –> 00:37:53.210
Speaker:
fingerprints?

1128
00:37:53.210 –> 00:37:54.230
Speaker:
Cryptex.

1129
00:37:54.230 –> 00:37:55.309
Speaker:
Was it?

1130
00:37:55.309 –> 00:37:55.949
Speaker:
Yeah.

1131
00:37:55.949 –> 00:38:00.269
Speaker:
Um, the murder weapon was never
found, as far as I know.

1132
00:38:00.269 –> 00:38:03.190
Speaker:
Um, so they say that a knife was

1133
00:38:03.190 –> 00:38:04.510
Speaker:
never found on the scene or

1134
00:38:04.510 –> 00:38:04.869
Speaker:
whatever.

1135
00:38:04.869 –> 00:38:06.710
Speaker:
So whoever took off took off

1136
00:38:06.710 –> 00:38:07.829
Speaker:
with the murder weapon, they

1137
00:38:07.829 –> 00:38:08.510
Speaker:
say.

1138
00:38:08.510 –> 00:38:11.550
Speaker:
It’s possible that they’re not
releasing that information.

1139
00:38:11.550 –> 00:38:13.150
Speaker:
Um, and the last we heard was

1140
00:38:13.150 –> 00:38:15.590
Speaker:
they were doing DNA testing on

1141
00:38:15.590 –> 00:38:17.809
Speaker:
William Clyde Gibson to see if

1142
00:38:17.809 –> 00:38:19.230
Speaker:
any of the DNA matched whatever

1143
00:38:19.230 –> 00:38:20.690
Speaker:
they might have found at the

1144
00:38:20.690 –> 00:38:20.989
Speaker:
time.

1145
00:38:20.989 –> 00:38:22.030
Speaker:
The serial killer.

1146
00:38:22.030 –> 00:38:23.510
Speaker:
That’s the serial killer.

1147
00:38:23.510 –> 00:38:25.510
Speaker:
And nothing has ever been
released on that.

1148
00:38:25.510 –> 00:38:27.269
Speaker:
So, I mean, that’s been enough

1149
00:38:27.269 –> 00:38:28.190
Speaker:
time where they’d have some

1150
00:38:28.190 –> 00:38:30.030
Speaker:
information, but there’s no news

1151
00:38:30.030 –> 00:38:30.389
Speaker:
on that.

1152
00:38:30.389 –> 00:38:33.349
Speaker:
So I don’t know if they’ve also
factored that in to the fact

1153
00:38:33.349 –> 00:38:36.710
Speaker:
that they’ve they’re not really
taking him seriously.

1154
00:38:36.710 –> 00:38:37.829
Speaker:
Yeah, probably.

1155
00:38:37.829 –> 00:38:38.710
Speaker:
Huh.

1156
00:38:38.710 –> 00:38:41.829
Speaker:
Okay, so we can watch this clip
really quick.

1157
00:38:41.829 –> 00:38:44.030
Speaker:
Or maybe we’ll watch the whole
thing, I don’t know, we’ll see

1158
00:38:44.030 –> 00:38:45.230
Speaker:
how good it is.

1159
00:38:45.230 –> 00:38:45.710
Speaker:
Sure.

1160
00:38:45.710 –> 00:38:48.710
Speaker:
It’s two decades after the
murder of their loved one.

1161
00:38:48.710 –> 00:38:51.070
Speaker:
It’s a story we first brought
you on Monday.

1162
00:38:51.070 –> 00:38:55.480
Speaker:
And tonight, Another family
member says it has more

1163
00:38:55.480 –> 00:38:59.440
Speaker:
questions than answers, and
there may be a potential break

1164
00:38:59.440 –> 00:39:00.360
Speaker:
in the case.

1165
00:39:00.360 –> 00:39:05.079
Speaker:
Eyewitness news Noah Alonso has
the latest on the investigation.

1166
00:39:05.079 –> 00:39:07.900
Speaker:
I feel like I’ve been I feel
like me and my siblings, my

1167
00:39:07.900 –> 00:39:09.800
Speaker:
family have been disrespected.

1168
00:39:09.800 –> 00:39:12.440
Speaker:
Somebody on the inside is trying

1169
00:39:12.440 –> 00:39:16.239
Speaker:
to use their authority and their

1170
00:39:16.239 –> 00:39:19.500
Speaker:
power to cover something else

1171
00:39:19.500 –> 00:39:20.079
Speaker:
up.

1172
00:39:20.079 –> 00:39:20.760
Speaker:
It’s a story.

1173
00:39:20.760 –> 00:39:22.079
Speaker:
Eyewitness news first brought

1174
00:39:22.079 –> 00:39:24.119
Speaker:
you on Monday, a potential break

1175
00:39:24.119 –> 00:39:25.559
Speaker:
in a cold case from two

1176
00:39:25.559 –> 00:39:26.360
Speaker:
thousand.

1177
00:39:26.360 –> 00:39:29.079
Speaker:
The family of Elizabeth
Bannister is keeping up the

1178
00:39:29.079 –> 00:39:32.820
Speaker:
pressure tonight, as a private
investigator now says agents are

1179
00:39:32.820 –> 00:39:34.960
Speaker:
nearing closure on the case.

1180
00:39:34.960 –> 00:39:38.519
Speaker:
One of Bannister’s sisters,
Rebecca Swett, says she still

1181
00:39:38.519 –> 00:39:40.000
Speaker:
has many questions.

1182
00:39:40.000 –> 00:39:40.920
Speaker:
They all ruled them.

1183
00:39:40.920 –> 00:39:43.119
Speaker:
The police force ruled everybody
out.

1184
00:39:43.119 –> 00:39:45.719
Speaker:
It makes no sense.

1185
00:39:45.719 –> 00:39:47.360
Speaker:
I don’t understand this at all.

1186
00:39:47.360 –> 00:39:49.719
Speaker:
Then nobody heard anything
strange.

1187
00:39:49.719 –> 00:39:52.050
Speaker:
Okay, so all of a sudden
somebody goes in there and they

1188
00:39:52.050 –> 00:39:54.210
Speaker:
see her stabbed multiple times.

1189
00:39:54.210 –> 00:39:57.829
Speaker:
Okay, uh, three people in the
apartment at the time, it says,

1190
00:39:57.829 –> 00:40:02.730
Speaker:
and it says at the time, uh,
never saw anyone break in.

1191
00:40:02.730 –> 00:40:03.210
Speaker:
Okay.

1192
00:40:03.210 –> 00:40:05.570
Speaker:
But an elderly, elderly neighbor

1193
00:40:05.570 –> 00:40:11.150
Speaker:
saw a African American man, uh,

1194
00:40:11.150 –> 00:40:11.769
Speaker:
flu.

1195
00:40:11.769 –> 00:40:12.130
Speaker:
Flu?

1196
00:40:12.130 –> 00:40:13.530
Speaker:
The flu vaccine.

1197
00:40:13.530 –> 00:40:15.690
Speaker:
The family says they are fed up

1198
00:40:15.690 –> 00:40:16.809
Speaker:
with the response from

1199
00:40:16.809 –> 00:40:18.090
Speaker:
Evansville police.

1200
00:40:18.090 –> 00:40:19.530
Speaker:
I feel like they did absolutely
nothing.

1201
00:40:19.530 –> 00:40:22.349
Speaker:
All they did was go and talk to
people that were around there

1202
00:40:22.349 –> 00:40:25.650
Speaker:
that were supposedly around at
the time of her death.

1203
00:40:25.650 –> 00:40:26.210
Speaker:
Then what?

1204
00:40:26.210 –> 00:40:27.210
Speaker:
Okay, shake it off.

1205
00:40:27.210 –> 00:40:28.369
Speaker:
No suspects.

1206
00:40:28.369 –> 00:40:30.210
Speaker:
Rule out two weeks later.

1207
00:40:30.210 –> 00:40:34.090
Speaker:
Cold case and a promise from a
family still reeling from a

1208
00:40:34.090 –> 00:40:37.809
Speaker:
tragic death twenty years ago to
never give up.

1209
00:40:37.809 –> 00:40:40.250
Speaker:
I just want people to know that
I’m not blaming.

1210
00:40:40.250 –> 00:40:41.889
Speaker:
I’m not pointing fingers at
anybody.

1211
00:40:41.889 –> 00:40:45.929
Speaker:
But if you really look at this
case, if you really sit down and

1212
00:40:45.929 –> 00:40:49.989
Speaker:
look at this case and take all
of the articles that were from

1213
00:40:49.989 –> 00:40:54.150
Speaker:
point A to point B to the from
the beginning to the end.

1214
00:40:54.150 –> 00:40:58.030
Speaker:
Take them and compare them and
they make no sense.

1215
00:40:58.030 –> 00:40:59.429
Speaker:
I just feel like they need to

1216
00:40:59.429 –> 00:41:00.690
Speaker:
start doing more work in

1217
00:41:00.690 –> 00:41:01.230
Speaker:
Evansville.

1218
00:41:01.230 –> 00:41:03.989
Speaker:
Noah Alonso, Eyewitness News.

1219
00:41:03.989 –> 00:41:07.150
Speaker:
We reached out to the Evansville
Police Department earlier this

1220
00:41:07.150 –> 00:41:10.550
Speaker:
week, and we were told that
detectives are looking at a

1221
00:41:10.550 –> 00:41:12.070
Speaker:
possible person of interest.

1222
00:41:12.070 –> 00:41:12.909
Speaker:
We’ll pass along more

1223
00:41:12.909 –> 00:41:14.349
Speaker:
information as soon as it

1224
00:41:14.349 –> 00:41:17.190
Speaker:
becomes available.

1225
00:41:17.190 –> 00:41:17.510
Speaker:
Yeah.

1226
00:41:17.510 –> 00:41:19.590
Speaker:
Fifteen people of interest.

1227
00:41:19.590 –> 00:41:22.750
Speaker:
That’s weird that like the they
said that the private

1228
00:41:22.750 –> 00:41:25.070
Speaker:
investigator said something, but
they didn’t, like, say anything

1229
00:41:25.070 –> 00:41:25.869
Speaker:
about what it was.

1230
00:41:25.869 –> 00:41:27.150
Speaker:
That’s I don’t know, I guess

1231
00:41:27.150 –> 00:41:29.469
Speaker:
it’s maybe it’s not weird, but

1232
00:41:29.469 –> 00:41:32.070
Speaker:
yeah, I think and I think the

1233
00:41:32.070 –> 00:41:33.269
Speaker:
person of interest, I think is

1234
00:41:33.269 –> 00:41:34.309
Speaker:
when they were talking about

1235
00:41:34.309 –> 00:41:36.429
Speaker:
the, the serial killer, William

1236
00:41:36.429 –> 00:41:38.110
Speaker:
Clyde Gibson, I think that was

1237
00:41:38.110 –> 00:41:39.269
Speaker:
coming out with, you know,

1238
00:41:39.269 –> 00:41:40.730
Speaker:
they’re looking into him, um, at

1239
00:41:40.730 –> 00:41:41.110
Speaker:
that time.

1240
00:41:41.110 –> 00:41:43.389
Speaker:
So I don’t know if that was the
person they were talking about

1241
00:41:43.389 –> 00:41:45.429
Speaker:
as the person of interest.

1242
00:41:45.429 –> 00:41:46.550
Speaker:
Oh I see yeah.

1243
00:41:46.550 –> 00:41:47.920
Speaker:
I’m not aware that there was
another.

1244
00:41:47.920 –> 00:41:50.480
Speaker:
There’s been another person of
interest other than him.

1245
00:41:50.480 –> 00:41:53.639
Speaker:
After that podcast came out in
twenty twenty three.

1246
00:41:53.639 –> 00:41:56.440
Speaker:
So yeah, I think Mark, I think
it’s Mark.

1247
00:41:56.440 –> 00:41:58.920
Speaker:
I don’t know, right.

1248
00:41:58.920 –> 00:42:02.199
Speaker:
And actually, I have another
clip, um, of Sarah talking about

1249
00:42:02.199 –> 00:42:03.119
Speaker:
Mark a little bit more.

1250
00:42:03.119 –> 00:42:04.599
Speaker:
If you, if you want to hear
about that.

1251
00:42:04.599 –> 00:42:05.579
Speaker:
Um, yeah, it’s kind of her

1252
00:42:05.579 –> 00:42:07.239
Speaker:
talking about Mark and how he

1253
00:42:07.239 –> 00:42:08.599
Speaker:
treated them and it’s coming

1254
00:42:08.599 –> 00:42:09.360
Speaker:
from her.

1255
00:42:09.360 –> 00:42:14.119
Speaker:
It sounds a little better than
me saying it, but, uh, let me.

1256
00:42:14.119 –> 00:42:14.440
Speaker:
Right.

1257
00:42:14.440 –> 00:42:17.440
Speaker:
And then this, uh, Cryptex asked
sensitive question.

1258
00:42:17.440 –> 00:42:19.719
Speaker:
Could it be drug related?

1259
00:42:19.719 –> 00:42:23.360
Speaker:
I mean, oh, I, I that could
certainly be on the table with,

1260
00:42:23.360 –> 00:42:24.480
Speaker:
uh, a drug deal gone.

1261
00:42:24.480 –> 00:42:24.719
Speaker:
Right?

1262
00:42:24.719 –> 00:42:28.880
Speaker:
Well, considering the she
borrowed money for a phone call,

1263
00:42:28.880 –> 00:42:31.199
Speaker:
and who knows if that wasn’t
really drug money to go get

1264
00:42:31.199 –> 00:42:36.199
Speaker:
drugs and somebody, uh, I would
say it could be, I think

1265
00:42:36.199 –> 00:42:37.840
Speaker:
anything is on the table here.

1266
00:42:37.840 –> 00:42:40.199
Speaker:
And then like the person, the

1267
00:42:40.199 –> 00:42:43.059
Speaker:
person running out, like maybe

1268
00:42:43.059 –> 00:42:45.684
Speaker:
could be like the dealer or a

1269
00:42:45.684 –> 00:42:47.210
Speaker:
John if she was being a

1270
00:42:47.210 –> 00:42:47.769
Speaker:
prostitute.

1271
00:42:47.769 –> 00:42:49.570
Speaker:
That’s a high risk occupation.

1272
00:42:49.570 –> 00:42:51.289
Speaker:
So it is.

1273
00:42:51.289 –> 00:42:51.889
Speaker:
Yeah.

1274
00:42:51.889 –> 00:42:54.210
Speaker:
And I mean, it could even be a

1275
00:42:54.210 –> 00:42:56.289
Speaker:
situation where she was murdered

1276
00:42:56.289 –> 00:42:57.730
Speaker:
in her apartment and some other

1277
00:42:57.730 –> 00:42:58.730
Speaker:
guy was going up there to do

1278
00:42:58.730 –> 00:43:00.849
Speaker:
something and finds her and then

1279
00:43:00.849 –> 00:43:01.449
Speaker:
runs.

1280
00:43:01.449 –> 00:43:02.489
Speaker:
He freaks out and runs out.

1281
00:43:02.489 –> 00:43:03.849
Speaker:
You know, it might be the guy
that ran away.

1282
00:43:03.849 –> 00:43:04.849
Speaker:
He wasn’t.

1283
00:43:04.849 –> 00:43:05.289
Speaker:
You know what I mean?

1284
00:43:05.289 –> 00:43:07.130
Speaker:
Like, I think anything is
possible at this point.

1285
00:43:07.130 –> 00:43:11.369
Speaker:
Like she could have been there
for drugs or, you know, for any

1286
00:43:11.369 –> 00:43:13.929
Speaker:
number of reasons and ran out if
that even happened.

1287
00:43:13.929 –> 00:43:14.889
Speaker:
I mean, that’s just the neighbor

1288
00:43:14.889 –> 00:43:15.949
Speaker:
saying it, but I mean, I don’t

1289
00:43:15.949 –> 00:43:16.650
Speaker:
again, I don’t know why the

1290
00:43:16.650 –> 00:43:17.570
Speaker:
neighbor would make that up,

1291
00:43:17.570 –> 00:43:18.409
Speaker:
but.

1292
00:43:18.409 –> 00:43:19.610
Speaker:
Well, she was elderly.

1293
00:43:19.610 –> 00:43:23.130
Speaker:
And so I don’t know how good her
site is or like all, there’s a

1294
00:43:23.130 –> 00:43:24.010
Speaker:
lot of questions there.

1295
00:43:24.010 –> 00:43:26.409
Speaker:
What was she doing up at one
o’clock in the morning?

1296
00:43:26.409 –> 00:43:26.570
Speaker:
Yeah.

1297
00:43:26.570 –> 00:43:27.090
Speaker:
I don’t know.

1298
00:43:27.090 –> 00:43:28.050
Speaker:
The neighbor.

1299
00:43:28.050 –> 00:43:29.369
Speaker:
I think it was a man, but I

1300
00:43:29.369 –> 00:43:30.670
Speaker:
don’t know if they’ve named who

1301
00:43:30.670 –> 00:43:31.929
Speaker:
the neighbor was that saw the

1302
00:43:31.929 –> 00:43:33.150
Speaker:
African American running out,

1303
00:43:33.150 –> 00:43:33.570
Speaker:
did they?

1304
00:43:33.570 –> 00:43:34.690
Speaker:
Oh, I thought, I thought it was

1305
00:43:34.690 –> 00:43:35.929
Speaker:
that older lady that they

1306
00:43:35.929 –> 00:43:36.889
Speaker:
showed, but that probably

1307
00:43:36.889 –> 00:43:37.489
Speaker:
wasn’t.

1308
00:43:37.489 –> 00:43:39.570
Speaker:
Oh, it might have been, I don’t
know.

1309
00:43:39.570 –> 00:43:39.730
Speaker:
Yeah.

1310
00:43:39.730 –> 00:43:42.730
Speaker:
They probably wouldn’t show who
the eyewitness was.

1311
00:43:42.730 –> 00:43:43.250
Speaker:
They might not.

1312
00:43:43.250 –> 00:43:45.860
Speaker:
I wouldn’t want my name anywhere
around this case.

1313
00:43:45.860 –> 00:43:46.619
Speaker:
Uh, honestly.

1314
00:43:46.619 –> 00:43:47.659
Speaker:
Yeah.

1315
00:43:47.659 –> 00:43:50.420
Speaker:
As somebody who’s a witness
anyway.

1316
00:43:50.420 –> 00:43:50.940
Speaker:
Mhm.

1317
00:43:50.940 –> 00:43:53.019
Speaker:
All right, let me get this cued
up.

1318
00:43:53.019 –> 00:43:54.579
Speaker:
Yeah, I don’t know.

1319
00:43:54.579 –> 00:43:56.940
Speaker:
Like, I always thought it was
evansdale, too.

1320
00:43:56.940 –> 00:43:59.059
Speaker:
Maybe it’s always been
Evansville.

1321
00:43:59.059 –> 00:44:00.179
Speaker:
That’s crazy.

1322
00:44:03.940 –> 00:44:05.420
Speaker:
We only make the news for bad

1323
00:44:05.420 –> 00:44:07.199
Speaker:
things when there’s a tragedy or

1324
00:44:07.199 –> 00:44:07.940
Speaker:
drug things.

1325
00:44:07.940 –> 00:44:08.940
Speaker:
It’s like, oh, we were like the

1326
00:44:08.940 –> 00:44:10.659
Speaker:
meth capital of the world and

1327
00:44:10.659 –> 00:44:11.260
Speaker:
and stuff.

1328
00:44:11.260 –> 00:44:13.699
Speaker:
Oh, that’s that’s something to
be proud of right there.

1329
00:44:13.699 –> 00:44:14.380
Speaker:
Exactly.

1330
00:44:14.380 –> 00:44:17.300
Speaker:
So it’s like, can we not ever
win any nice awards?

1331
00:44:19.019 –> 00:44:21.860
Speaker:
I guess I wouldn’t have material
for my podcast if we did.

1332
00:44:21.860 –> 00:44:22.500
Speaker:
Yeah.

1333
00:44:23.659 –> 00:44:24.019
Speaker:
All right.

1334
00:44:24.019 –> 00:44:25.179
Speaker:
And this is a clip from the

1335
00:44:25.179 –> 00:44:27.539
Speaker:
Dealing Justice podcast season

1336
00:44:27.539 –> 00:44:29.420
Speaker:
one, episode eight, where

1337
00:44:29.420 –> 00:44:30.639
Speaker:
they’re talking to Sara

1338
00:44:30.639 –> 00:44:32.139
Speaker:
Elizabeth’s sister about the

1339
00:44:32.139 –> 00:44:32.860
Speaker:
case.

1340
00:44:34.420 –> 00:44:37.900
Speaker:
Mark was not a good man, and I
think everybody knew that.

1341
00:44:37.900 –> 00:44:41.820
Speaker:
My mother, I love her to death,
but she, uh, she tended to be

1342
00:44:41.820 –> 00:44:46.079
Speaker:
with men who were very abusive
towards her and us.

1343
00:44:46.079 –> 00:44:47.519
Speaker:
My mom just never believed the

1344
00:44:47.519 –> 00:44:48.719
Speaker:
stories that we would try to

1345
00:44:48.719 –> 00:44:49.559
Speaker:
tell her.

1346
00:44:49.559 –> 00:44:54.119
Speaker:
When it came to her boyfriends,
Mark broke my finger trying to

1347
00:44:54.119 –> 00:44:56.960
Speaker:
spank me with a belt.

1348
00:44:56.960 –> 00:45:03.760
Speaker:
Um, Mark was a truck driver and,
um, we were made to go with him.

1349
00:45:03.760 –> 00:45:05.480
Speaker:
We didn’t have a choice.

1350
00:45:05.480 –> 00:45:07.800
Speaker:
Give my mom a so-called break.

1351
00:45:07.800 –> 00:45:10.940
Speaker:
He wanted us to take turns, and

1352
00:45:10.940 –> 00:45:12.739
Speaker:
I would go with him one time,

1353
00:45:12.739 –> 00:45:14.400
Speaker:
and then my sister would go with

1354
00:45:14.400 –> 00:45:14.599
Speaker:
him.

1355
00:45:14.599 –> 00:45:15.800
Speaker:
Another time.

1356
00:45:15.800 –> 00:45:17.519
Speaker:
He would take you and your other
sister, though.

1357
00:45:17.519 –> 00:45:19.880
Speaker:
On the truck ride, not Elizabeth
Wright.

1358
00:45:19.880 –> 00:45:21.800
Speaker:
It was just you and your other
sister.

1359
00:45:21.800 –> 00:45:23.199
Speaker:
Me and Rebecca.

1360
00:45:23.199 –> 00:45:25.000
Speaker:
He would take on truck rides.

1361
00:45:25.000 –> 00:45:26.719
Speaker:
I didn’t want to go because of.

1362
00:45:26.719 –> 00:45:31.159
Speaker:
Okay, he’s already putting his
hands on me like I was scared.

1363
00:45:31.159 –> 00:45:32.880
Speaker:
You know, I didn’t want to go.

1364
00:45:32.880 –> 00:45:36.480
Speaker:
I begged my mom not to make me
go.

1365
00:45:36.480 –> 00:45:39.840
Speaker:
And she would make me go like
you can’t.

1366
00:45:39.840 –> 00:45:40.559
Speaker:
We wanted to go.

1367
00:45:40.559 –> 00:45:42.730
Speaker:
Me and my sister wants to go
together.

1368
00:45:42.730 –> 00:45:46.130
Speaker:
And he said no. But he never
would let two of us go.

1369
00:45:47.130 –> 00:45:48.570
Speaker:
He’d only do one.

1370
00:45:48.570 –> 00:45:49.409
Speaker:
Each one of us.

1371
00:45:49.409 –> 00:45:49.730
Speaker:
One.

1372
00:45:49.730 –> 00:45:51.530
Speaker:
One at a time.

1373
00:45:51.530 –> 00:45:52.769
Speaker:
Now I know why.

1374
00:45:52.769 –> 00:45:57.090
Speaker:
Well, when I was in the truck
with him, I was eight years old.

1375
00:45:57.090 –> 00:45:59.449
Speaker:
And he told me he wants her.

1376
00:45:59.449 –> 00:46:01.409
Speaker:
Those were his words.

1377
00:46:01.409 –> 00:46:03.289
Speaker:
He wants her.

1378
00:46:03.289 –> 00:46:06.610
Speaker:
And I had no idea what he was
talking about.

1379
00:46:06.610 –> 00:46:08.170
Speaker:
And I asked him, what do you.

1380
00:46:08.170 –> 00:46:10.170
Speaker:
What are you talking about?

1381
00:46:10.170 –> 00:46:12.409
Speaker:
He pointed to what he was
talking about.

1382
00:46:12.409 –> 00:46:13.849
Speaker:
He would point.

1383
00:46:13.849 –> 00:46:16.449
Speaker:
Only Mark and Sara were in the
truck together.

1384
00:46:16.449 –> 00:46:20.130
Speaker:
So that means when Mark was
pointing and saying her, he was

1385
00:46:20.130 –> 00:46:21.489
Speaker:
pointing at Sara.

1386
00:46:24.449 –> 00:46:27.329
Speaker:
And he said he wants her as he

1387
00:46:27.329 –> 00:46:28.650
Speaker:
pointed to what he was talking

1388
00:46:28.650 –> 00:46:29.969
Speaker:
about.

1389
00:46:29.969 –> 00:46:30.969
Speaker:
I was scared.

1390
00:46:30.969 –> 00:46:37.050
Speaker:
I told him no. And he writes me.

1391
00:46:38.329 –> 00:46:39.139
Speaker:
He ain’t years old.

1392
00:46:39.139 –> 00:46:41.139
Speaker:
You don’t think parents are

1393
00:46:41.139 –> 00:46:42.219
Speaker:
telling you, I’m sorry, I didn’t

1394
00:46:42.219 –> 00:46:43.380
Speaker:
mean to hurt you, yada yada

1395
00:46:43.380 –> 00:46:43.699
Speaker:
yada.

1396
00:46:43.699 –> 00:46:44.539
Speaker:
You’re going to believe it.

1397
00:46:44.539 –> 00:46:44.860
Speaker:
You know?

1398
00:46:44.860 –> 00:46:48.300
Speaker:
You’re going to believe it
because you, you you love them

1399
00:46:48.300 –> 00:46:49.940
Speaker:
or you care about them.

1400
00:46:49.940 –> 00:46:51.300
Speaker:
I never talked about it.

1401
00:46:51.300 –> 00:46:54.139
Speaker:
The only person I ever told was
my sister.

1402
00:46:54.139 –> 00:46:56.539
Speaker:
So as I got older, when my

1403
00:46:56.539 –> 00:46:59.239
Speaker:
sister was murdered, me and my

1404
00:46:59.239 –> 00:47:01.699
Speaker:
adopted mom, I told my adopted

1405
00:47:01.699 –> 00:47:02.460
Speaker:
mom.

1406
00:47:02.460 –> 00:47:03.380
Speaker:
I remember we were in the

1407
00:47:03.380 –> 00:47:05.420
Speaker:
bathroom and she was doing my

1408
00:47:05.420 –> 00:47:05.860
Speaker:
hair.

1409
00:47:05.860 –> 00:47:09.780
Speaker:
We were talking and I told her,
I told her, I told her

1410
00:47:09.780 –> 00:47:14.900
Speaker:
everything that I just mentioned
and she said, Sarah, why have

1411
00:47:14.900 –> 00:47:18.059
Speaker:
you not told me this before?

1412
00:47:18.059 –> 00:47:22.940
Speaker:
I was scared, I was scared like
I was going to get beat.

1413
00:47:22.940 –> 00:47:24.139
Speaker:
I was going to get.

1414
00:47:24.139 –> 00:47:27.699
Speaker:
Nobody would believe me, I was
terrified.

1415
00:47:27.699 –> 00:47:29.460
Speaker:
She reported to the authorities.

1416
00:47:29.460 –> 00:47:31.059
Speaker:
She did call them and she

1417
00:47:31.059 –> 00:47:32.539
Speaker:
reported everything that I told

1418
00:47:32.539 –> 00:47:33.380
Speaker:
her.

1419
00:47:33.380 –> 00:47:36.780
Speaker:
They spoke with me and then they
spoke back with her.

1420
00:47:36.780 –> 00:47:39.099
Speaker:
According to authorities, there

1421
00:47:39.099 –> 00:47:40.960
Speaker:
is nothing that they can do

1422
00:47:40.960 –> 00:47:44.639
Speaker:
because they don’t know where to

1423
00:47:44.639 –> 00:47:46.000
Speaker:
happen.

1424
00:47:46.000 –> 00:47:49.280
Speaker:
Given that I was in a semi
truck, you know, one of those

1425
00:47:49.280 –> 00:47:52.159
Speaker:
ones with the bed in it, you
know, because you go over state

1426
00:47:52.159 –> 00:47:56.260
Speaker:
lines or I couldn’t verify that
it happened here at one point

1427
00:47:56.260 –> 00:47:57.480
Speaker:
because not every time.

1428
00:47:57.480 –> 00:48:00.360
Speaker:
I mean, it happened twice.

1429
00:48:00.360 –> 00:48:03.840
Speaker:
So before we got taken again.

1430
00:48:03.840 –> 00:48:08.119
Speaker:
So I’m not sure like where it
happened.

1431
00:48:08.119 –> 00:48:09.159
Speaker:
I don’t know any of that.

1432
00:48:09.159 –> 00:48:11.639
Speaker:
And because we don’t know that
information.

1433
00:48:11.639 –> 00:48:14.719
Speaker:
They’re saying that there’s
nothing they could do.

1434
00:48:14.719 –> 00:48:16.000
Speaker:
There’s even more shocking

1435
00:48:16.000 –> 00:48:17.719
Speaker:
information to come involving

1436
00:48:17.719 –> 00:48:18.800
Speaker:
Mark.

1437
00:48:18.800 –> 00:48:21.800
Speaker:
Their mother, Rose, was guilty
of having terrible taste in men.

1438
00:48:21.800 –> 00:48:25.719
Speaker:
But one thing Sarah does insist
upon was, despite it all, she

1439
00:48:25.719 –> 00:48:26.679
Speaker:
loved her mother.

1440
00:48:26.679 –> 00:48:27.480
Speaker:
I mean, my mother.

1441
00:48:27.480 –> 00:48:29.599
Speaker:
I love her dearly, and I will
always love her.

1442
00:48:29.599 –> 00:48:31.559
Speaker:
And I don’t blame her for
anything.

1443
00:48:31.559 –> 00:48:31.960
Speaker:
She.

1444
00:48:31.960 –> 00:48:33.920
Speaker:
You know, she bought us what she
could.

1445
00:48:33.920 –> 00:48:34.760
Speaker:
She fed us.

1446
00:48:34.760 –> 00:48:36.090
Speaker:
She had a bed for us.

1447
00:48:36.090 –> 00:48:39.849
Speaker:
She had bedrooms like she had
all that.

1448
00:48:39.849 –> 00:48:42.769
Speaker:
It was just her health
conditions were wearing in on

1449
00:48:42.769 –> 00:48:47.610
Speaker:
her and we were molested and
abused in the home, but it was

1450
00:48:47.610 –> 00:48:49.329
Speaker:
never by her.

1451
00:48:49.329 –> 00:48:51.809
Speaker:
She had a lot of health
problems.

1452
00:48:51.809 –> 00:48:53.329
Speaker:
Rose’s health continued to

1453
00:48:53.329 –> 00:48:55.449
Speaker:
deteriorate, and as Elizabeth

1454
00:48:55.449 –> 00:48:57.210
Speaker:
was turning seventeen, Rose was

1455
00:48:57.210 –> 00:48:58.969
Speaker:
able to get custody back of

1456
00:48:58.969 –> 00:49:00.289
Speaker:
Elizabeth.

1457
00:49:00.289 –> 00:49:03.409
Speaker:
Elizabeth moved in with her mom
and Mark, and she helped care

1458
00:49:03.409 –> 00:49:05.010
Speaker:
for her ailing mother.

1459
00:49:05.010 –> 00:49:06.250
Speaker:
In nineteen ninety seven,

1460
00:49:06.250 –> 00:49:07.610
Speaker:
Elizabeth and Sara’s mother

1461
00:49:07.610 –> 00:49:08.690
Speaker:
passed away.

1462
00:49:08.690 –> 00:49:09.650
Speaker:
Elizabeth was there.

1463
00:49:09.650 –> 00:49:13.170
Speaker:
I guess she found her body, I
think is what happened.

1464
00:49:13.170 –> 00:49:14.610
Speaker:
She had emphysema.

1465
00:49:14.610 –> 00:49:15.889
Speaker:
When they did the autopsy, they

1466
00:49:15.889 –> 00:49:16.809
Speaker:
found out that she had

1467
00:49:16.809 –> 00:49:17.969
Speaker:
emphysema.

1468
00:49:17.969 –> 00:49:21.409
Speaker:
And they claimed that she died
of emphysema.

1469
00:49:21.409 –> 00:49:23.289
Speaker:
I mean, how old was she when she
passed away?

1470
00:49:23.289 –> 00:49:23.650
Speaker:
She was.

1471
00:49:23.650 –> 00:49:27.570
Speaker:
How old do I think she was in
her thirties.

1472
00:49:27.570 –> 00:49:30.809
Speaker:
Elizabeth was not yet eighteen
when her mom died.

1473
00:49:30.809 –> 00:49:32.489
Speaker:
So after she lost her mother,

1474
00:49:32.489 –> 00:49:34.380
Speaker:
she was briefly put into a group

1475
00:49:34.380 –> 00:49:36.820
Speaker:
home until she aged out of the

1476
00:49:36.820 –> 00:49:39.239
Speaker:
system, and then she moved in

1477
00:49:39.239 –> 00:49:40.619
Speaker:
with Mark.

1478
00:49:40.619 –> 00:49:41.219
Speaker:
That’s right.

1479
00:49:41.219 –> 00:49:42.659
Speaker:
She moved in with the same man

1480
00:49:42.659 –> 00:49:44.139
Speaker:
who took Sarah on those truck

1481
00:49:44.139 –> 00:49:45.539
Speaker:
driving runs.

1482
00:49:45.539 –> 00:49:46.860
Speaker:
And this is where it comes with.

1483
00:49:46.860 –> 00:49:50.260
Speaker:
When I said I was angry with
Elizabeth because she knew.

1484
00:49:50.260 –> 00:49:52.059
Speaker:
She knew what happened to me.

1485
00:49:52.059 –> 00:49:54.780
Speaker:
And she started living with him
when she got the group home.

1486
00:49:54.780 –> 00:49:57.460
Speaker:
Elizabeth and Mark weren’t just
roommates either.

1487
00:49:57.460 –> 00:50:03.340
Speaker:
He asked her to marry him, is
what she told me, and I thought

1488
00:50:03.340 –> 00:50:04.500
Speaker:
it was immoral.

1489
00:50:04.500 –> 00:50:06.059
Speaker:
I thought it was wrong.

1490
00:50:06.059 –> 00:50:11.980
Speaker:
He was engaged to my mother, and
I told her if she did, I would

1491
00:50:11.980 –> 00:50:17.059
Speaker:
never speak to her again and
that I. I hated her for it.

1492
00:50:18.260 –> 00:50:20.139
Speaker:
Yeah, it’s pretty horrible.

1493
00:50:20.139 –> 00:50:22.400
Speaker:
Well, I mean, it it it does kind

1494
00:50:22.400 –> 00:50:24.739
Speaker:
of like, um, make sense because

1495
00:50:24.739 –> 00:50:26.500
Speaker:
he was like grooming her

1496
00:50:26.500 –> 00:50:27.300
Speaker:
obviously.

1497
00:50:27.300 –> 00:50:27.659
Speaker:
Right.

1498
00:50:27.659 –> 00:50:28.820
Speaker:
She wasn’t eighteen yet.

1499
00:50:28.820 –> 00:50:32.280
Speaker:
So like it’s not really like her
fault.

1500
00:50:32.280 –> 00:50:35.480
Speaker:
You get like a skewed vision of
like what?

1501
00:50:35.480 –> 00:50:38.840
Speaker:
Like, you know, love or caring
is so.

1502
00:50:38.840 –> 00:50:39.280
Speaker:
Yeah.

1503
00:50:39.280 –> 00:50:43.000
Speaker:
And according to Kelly Fontaine
and Kelly Fontaine was the

1504
00:50:43.000 –> 00:50:46.519
Speaker:
foster mother for Elizabeth for
a number of years.

1505
00:50:46.519 –> 00:50:49.280
Speaker:
I think she was between twelve
and seventeen years old.

1506
00:50:49.280 –> 00:50:51.880
Speaker:
So she had a big part of her
life at that time.

1507
00:50:51.880 –> 00:50:55.159
Speaker:
And Kelly says that Elizabeth
was kind of like mentally

1508
00:50:55.159 –> 00:50:56.400
Speaker:
stunted as an eight.

1509
00:50:56.400 –> 00:50:59.960
Speaker:
Basically, she was a, you know,
a seventeen year old with an

1510
00:50:59.960 –> 00:51:01.639
Speaker:
eight year old mentality.

1511
00:51:01.639 –> 00:51:03.559
Speaker:
She never really, you know,

1512
00:51:03.559 –> 00:51:05.199
Speaker:
progressed past that sort of

1513
00:51:05.199 –> 00:51:05.639
Speaker:
mentality.

1514
00:51:05.639 –> 00:51:07.360
Speaker:
So yeah, it’s definitely I could

1515
00:51:07.360 –> 00:51:08.480
Speaker:
see how she might fall into

1516
00:51:08.480 –> 00:51:09.400
Speaker:
this.

1517
00:51:09.400 –> 00:51:11.559
Speaker:
With Mark, I guess.

1518
00:51:11.559 –> 00:51:12.679
Speaker:
Yeah.

1519
00:51:12.679 –> 00:51:13.239
Speaker:
Yeah.

1520
00:51:13.239 –> 00:51:16.280
Speaker:
It does not sound like a very
nice guy for sure.

1521
00:51:16.280 –> 00:51:19.760
Speaker:
No, no. So I don’t know what you
know.

1522
00:51:19.760 –> 00:51:20.840
Speaker:
I don’t know what’s become of

1523
00:51:20.840 –> 00:51:22.199
Speaker:
Mark or, you know, what he’s

1524
00:51:22.199 –> 00:51:22.800
Speaker:
doing.

1525
00:51:22.800 –> 00:51:26.079
Speaker:
Uh, hopefully he’s moved on to
good things in his life, and

1526
00:51:26.079 –> 00:51:29.519
Speaker:
he’s not continuing this sort of
behavior, but I don’t know.

1527
00:51:29.519 –> 00:51:32.530
Speaker:
I seriously doubt I have no
hopes for that.

1528
00:51:32.530 –> 00:51:33.369
Speaker:
Really?

1529
00:51:33.369 –> 00:51:36.769
Speaker:
Uh. Sounds like he was doing it
for years and years.

1530
00:51:36.769 –> 00:51:38.889
Speaker:
And it’s not like a one time
thing.

1531
00:51:38.889 –> 00:51:40.530
Speaker:
Yeah, I’d be curious to know.

1532
00:51:40.530 –> 00:51:43.170
Speaker:
Like, I mean, I hope the police
that are investigating this look

1533
00:51:43.170 –> 00:51:46.050
Speaker:
into that sort of thing and
like, oh, he’s involved in

1534
00:51:46.050 –> 00:51:48.929
Speaker:
another disappearance or this
weird thing happened over here.

1535
00:51:48.929 –> 00:51:49.769
Speaker:
You know, I hope people are

1536
00:51:49.769 –> 00:51:51.409
Speaker:
connecting these dots, but I,

1537
00:51:51.409 –> 00:51:52.730
Speaker:
I’ve looked into these things

1538
00:51:52.730 –> 00:51:53.809
Speaker:
long enough to know that they

1539
00:51:53.809 –> 00:51:55.809
Speaker:
don’t like, like, I don’t think

1540
00:51:55.809 –> 00:51:57.030
Speaker:
there’s a lot of follow up or

1541
00:51:57.030 –> 00:51:57.250
Speaker:
things.

1542
00:51:57.250 –> 00:52:00.210
Speaker:
I think that’s why like internet
sleuths need to kind of connect

1543
00:52:00.210 –> 00:52:03.130
Speaker:
dots for, for them sometimes
because I don’t think they do.

1544
00:52:03.130 –> 00:52:06.630
Speaker:
They don’t have the resources a
lot of times to, to, especially

1545
00:52:06.630 –> 00:52:07.610
Speaker:
if they moved out of the area.

1546
00:52:07.610 –> 00:52:09.050
Speaker:
If he’s living in.

1547
00:52:09.050 –> 00:52:11.730
Speaker:
Well, as far as I know, I think
he is living out of state.

1548
00:52:11.730 –> 00:52:13.150
Speaker:
Uh, from what I found, but, uh,

1549
00:52:13.150 –> 00:52:14.949
Speaker:
did he move like right after the

1550
00:52:14.949 –> 00:52:17.369
Speaker:
murders or or the not long

1551
00:52:17.369 –> 00:52:17.769
Speaker:
after?

1552
00:52:17.769 –> 00:52:19.329
Speaker:
Yeah.

1553
00:52:19.329 –> 00:52:20.489
Speaker:
It’s from what I can tell, he’s

1554
00:52:20.489 –> 00:52:22.369
Speaker:
he’s he’s living out of state,

1555
00:52:22.369 –> 00:52:23.929
Speaker:
so I haven’t really looked in to

1556
00:52:23.929 –> 00:52:25.570
Speaker:
see if, you know, if there are

1557
00:52:25.570 –> 00:52:26.690
Speaker:
criminal records up there or

1558
00:52:26.690 –> 00:52:28.030
Speaker:
whatever, you know, that kind of

1559
00:52:28.030 –> 00:52:28.250
Speaker:
thing.

1560
00:52:28.250 –> 00:52:30.619
Speaker:
But I mean, like, if they got in

1561
00:52:30.619 –> 00:52:33.039
Speaker:
a fight in the yard and then

1562
00:52:33.039 –> 00:52:34.099
Speaker:
that happened.

1563
00:52:34.099 –> 00:52:34.900
Speaker:
Nobody heard.

1564
00:52:34.900 –> 00:52:38.019
Speaker:
Nobody heard it in the house,
like quote unquote.

1565
00:52:38.019 –> 00:52:39.780
Speaker:
Like, I don’t know, he just

1566
00:52:39.780 –> 00:52:42.380
Speaker:
seems like definitely one to

1567
00:52:42.380 –> 00:52:43.380
Speaker:
look at.

1568
00:52:43.380 –> 00:52:44.940
Speaker:
It’s also, it’s unbelievable for

1569
00:52:44.940 –> 00:52:46.179
Speaker:
me that no one heard anything in

1570
00:52:46.179 –> 00:52:46.619
Speaker:
the house.

1571
00:52:46.619 –> 00:52:47.579
Speaker:
I just can’t believe it.

1572
00:52:47.579 –> 00:52:49.019
Speaker:
Like somebody got murdered.

1573
00:52:49.019 –> 00:52:50.179
Speaker:
Like there was a I had to be a

1574
00:52:50.179 –> 00:52:51.420
Speaker:
fight or something and nobody

1575
00:52:51.420 –> 00:52:52.260
Speaker:
heard anything.

1576
00:52:52.260 –> 00:52:52.579
Speaker:
But.

1577
00:52:52.579 –> 00:52:54.480
Speaker:
Well, you said that, um, the

1578
00:52:54.480 –> 00:52:56.920
Speaker:
first stab got hurt, like got

1579
00:52:56.920 –> 00:52:57.139
Speaker:
hurt.

1580
00:52:57.139 –> 00:52:57.619
Speaker:
Right?

1581
00:52:57.619 –> 00:53:00.780
Speaker:
Oh, maybe if he just walked in
and did it, then maybe there was

1582
00:53:00.780 –> 00:53:05.059
Speaker:
no noise and it just, you know,
but if he was in a rage, if he’s

1583
00:53:05.059 –> 00:53:07.739
Speaker:
stabbing and I mean, I don’t
know, maybe there was a loud

1584
00:53:07.739 –> 00:53:08.539
Speaker:
music or something.

1585
00:53:08.539 –> 00:53:12.539
Speaker:
Maybe there was I, I don’t know,
seems like somebody.

1586
00:53:12.539 –> 00:53:13.380
Speaker:
I’m in the bathroom.

1587
00:53:13.380 –> 00:53:15.380
Speaker:
Like what you were in the
bathroom for what?

1588
00:53:15.380 –> 00:53:16.780
Speaker:
For when were you in the
bathroom?

1589
00:53:16.780 –> 00:53:17.820
Speaker:
Like exactly that moment.

1590
00:53:17.820 –> 00:53:18.380
Speaker:
How did you know that?

1591
00:53:18.380 –> 00:53:20.739
Speaker:
That was the moment that that
was happening?

1592
00:53:20.739 –> 00:53:22.460
Speaker:
Yeah, yeah, you know what I
mean?

1593
00:53:22.460 –> 00:53:23.940
Speaker:
Like, I was in the bathroom at
that time.

1594
00:53:23.940 –> 00:53:25.900
Speaker:
Well, at what time?

1595
00:53:25.900 –> 00:53:27.469
Speaker:
She was found at one.

1596
00:53:27.469 –> 00:53:29.750
Speaker:
But that doesn’t mean that’s
when she was actually killed.

1597
00:53:29.750 –> 00:53:30.550
Speaker:
Huh?

1598
00:53:30.550 –> 00:53:31.070
Speaker:
She was killed.

1599
00:53:31.070 –> 00:53:32.789
Speaker:
Well, so the the timeline is

1600
00:53:32.789 –> 00:53:34.710
Speaker:
between midnight and one was

1601
00:53:34.710 –> 00:53:36.070
Speaker:
when she was killed because the

1602
00:53:36.070 –> 00:53:38.510
Speaker:
guy let her borrow the money at

1603
00:53:38.510 –> 00:53:39.269
Speaker:
around midnight.

1604
00:53:39.269 –> 00:53:40.510
Speaker:
He says.

1605
00:53:40.510 –> 00:53:43.949
Speaker:
And so when he comes back at one
o’clock or whatever, you know,

1606
00:53:43.949 –> 00:53:45.750
Speaker:
she’s has been murdered.

1607
00:53:45.750 –> 00:53:48.989
Speaker:
So it’s between midnight and one
a m that, according to the

1608
00:53:48.989 –> 00:53:51.349
Speaker:
timeline from that guy that she
borrowed money from, that would

1609
00:53:51.349 –> 00:53:52.829
Speaker:
be the timeline.

1610
00:53:52.829 –> 00:53:54.570
Speaker:
And the coroner, uh, Annie

1611
00:53:54.570 –> 00:53:55.909
Speaker:
Groves says that she had been

1612
00:53:55.909 –> 00:53:56.989
Speaker:
dead a very short period of

1613
00:53:56.989 –> 00:53:57.349
Speaker:
time.

1614
00:53:57.349 –> 00:53:59.429
Speaker:
So she.

1615
00:53:59.429 –> 00:54:03.349
Speaker:
Yeah, it was not it was it was
between midnight and one that

1616
00:54:03.349 –> 00:54:04.750
Speaker:
that actually happened.

1617
00:54:04.750 –> 00:54:05.110
Speaker:
Yeah.

1618
00:54:05.110 –> 00:54:06.929
Speaker:
So I would think that like,

1619
00:54:06.929 –> 00:54:08.349
Speaker:
maybe the music wouldn’t be loud

1620
00:54:08.349 –> 00:54:09.389
Speaker:
then, but I don’t really know

1621
00:54:09.389 –> 00:54:12.110
Speaker:
because I’m like, that’s past

1622
00:54:12.110 –> 00:54:12.949
Speaker:
the time you should have your

1623
00:54:12.949 –> 00:54:13.469
Speaker:
music loud.

1624
00:54:13.469 –> 00:54:15.329
Speaker:
But I know that people don’t

1625
00:54:15.329 –> 00:54:16.829
Speaker:
like follow the rules a lot, you

1626
00:54:16.829 –> 00:54:17.309
Speaker:
know?

1627
00:54:17.309 –> 00:54:17.710
Speaker:
Yeah.

1628
00:54:17.710 –> 00:54:19.989
Speaker:
And if I mean, you have an old
lady living in the basement,

1629
00:54:19.989 –> 00:54:22.789
Speaker:
you’ve got somebody asleep on a
couch, passed out drunk or

1630
00:54:22.789 –> 00:54:24.349
Speaker:
whatever, and you’ve got
somebody in the bathroom and

1631
00:54:24.349 –> 00:54:25.969
Speaker:
somebody’s watching Matlock.

1632
00:54:25.969 –> 00:54:26.530
Speaker:
Somebody’s watching.

1633
00:54:26.530 –> 00:54:29.289
Speaker:
Matlock is probably not, you
know.

1634
00:54:29.289 –> 00:54:31.329
Speaker:
You know, screaming Metallica or
something.

1635
00:54:31.329 –> 00:54:33.250
Speaker:
You know, whatever they were
listening to at that time.

1636
00:54:33.250 –> 00:54:36.170
Speaker:
Um, it could have been somebody
listening to music, but I don’t

1637
00:54:36.170 –> 00:54:37.929
Speaker:
know who it would have been
because they were all they all

1638
00:54:37.929 –> 00:54:38.690
Speaker:
seemed to have an alibi.

1639
00:54:38.690 –> 00:54:40.650
Speaker:
Was the guy in the bathroom
listening to music?

1640
00:54:40.650 –> 00:54:41.929
Speaker:
Um, yeah.

1641
00:54:41.929 –> 00:54:43.090
Speaker:
Yeah, I don’t know.

1642
00:54:44.130 –> 00:54:45.250
Speaker:
I don’t know.

1643
00:54:45.250 –> 00:54:46.610
Speaker:
So I don’t know that we’re ever

1644
00:54:46.610 –> 00:54:47.690
Speaker:
going to find an answer on this

1645
00:54:47.690 –> 00:54:47.969
Speaker:
one.

1646
00:54:47.969 –> 00:54:50.769
Speaker:
But hopefully, hopefully they do
get some answers.

1647
00:54:52.530 –> 00:54:55.389
Speaker:
If you have any information on
Elizabeth’s case that you think

1648
00:54:55.389 –> 00:54:58.409
Speaker:
may be relevant, call the
Evansville Police Department at

1649
00:54:58.409 –> 00:55:03.130
Speaker:
eight one two four three six
seven nine seven nine.

1650
00:55:03.130 –> 00:55:06.289
Speaker:
Even if you think it’s an
insignificant detail, maybe

1651
00:55:06.289 –> 00:55:08.809
Speaker:
it’ll be that one thing that
helps crack the case.

1652
00:55:08.809 –> 00:55:09.929
Speaker:
And be sure to check out the
links.

1653
00:55:09.929 –> 00:55:10.889
Speaker:
I have links to all of the

1654
00:55:10.889 –> 00:55:12.889
Speaker:
podcasts we referenced today, as

1655
00:55:12.889 –> 00:55:14.409
Speaker:
well as Savannah’s YouTube

1656
00:55:14.409 –> 00:55:16.329
Speaker:
channel, as well as my discord

1657
00:55:16.329 –> 00:55:17.409
Speaker:
server if you want to check that

1658
00:55:17.409 –> 00:55:17.809
Speaker:
out.

1659
00:55:17.809 –> 00:55:20.610
Speaker:
Thank you for listening and
until next time, take care.