Bigfoot Encounters in the Hoosier National Forest

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I grew up in a very rural area

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growing up, and I mean, I can I

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can track I mean, that’s

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something that that’s, that’s

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the type of outdoors person I

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am.

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This I don’t know what this was.

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I, I’ve, I’ve heard everything
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This was nothing I’m ever
accustomed to ever.

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You’re listening to River City

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Law office worker by day.

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Insomniac researcher of the
unknown by night Matt Deig.

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Welcome to episode fourteen.

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We’re going to be talking about

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a topic that I have found very

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interesting and have been

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looking into it’s encounters of

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Bigfoot or Sasquatch, whichever

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you prefer.

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In the southern Indiana area,
particularly around the Hoosier

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National Forest region.

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According to the Bigfoot Field

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Researchers Organization website

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at bfro dot net, there have been

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multiple sightings and

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encounters of Bigfoot in that

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region recently.

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For instance, in twenty eighteen

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in Martin County, which is

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northwest of the Hoosier

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National Forest, the northwest

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section, there was an encounter

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a visual encounter in twenty

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eighteen.

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In twenty twenty, in Washington
County, along the Knobstone

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Trail near the Spurgeon Hollow
Lake area, a couple had an

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encounter where they heard loud
tree knocks while they were

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hiking along the.

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Not the Knobstone trail.

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And I know it’s easy to think in

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southern Indiana that there’s

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there’s so many people around

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that.

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How could there how could such a
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exist out there?

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A few years ago, I did a two day
overnight hike on the Knobstone

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trail, and the entire time I was
on this trail, I didn’t see

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another human being.

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So there are areas out in that

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part of the state that are

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pretty remote.

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And who knows what’s out there.

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So after I took that hike, I
that kind of changed my mind on

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how much open space there is in
this state and how, how things

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could possibly be out there that
we just don’t know about.

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I had the opportunity to speak

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with a couple of people I met on

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Indiana Bigfoot Research

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Organizations Facebook page

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recently.

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In June of twenty twenty two,

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Angela had an encounter while

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driving on Interstate sixty four

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eastbound from Evansville to

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Louisville.

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And this is her story.

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I was heading out to Cincinnati

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from Evansville, so I was going

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eastbound on the sixty four

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through the Hoosier National

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Forest.

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There’s a place on the map, if
you Google it, called Turkey Run

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or Turkey something.

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Mhm.

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And it was right there because

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there’s a very specific curve in

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the road.

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And there’s a bunch of trees
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the westbound lanes.

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And I was going around that
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And so you see how, you know,

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the whatever’s just beyond the

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line of sight just kind of keeps

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rolling around that curve as

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you’re going.

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And I see something really big

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and really black and the sun was

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coming up.

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So, I mean, there was enough
daylight to where, um, if you

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looked at the darkest part of
the trees, they’re still green,

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you know what I’m saying?

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So even in the deepest shadows
of the trees, there weren’t

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black, they were green.

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So whatever this thing was
really stood out because it was

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so big and it was on the wrong
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in the middle, in the median
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sections of road.

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So normally a sign or something
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right side of the road.

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So this thing is huge.

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It’s black, it’s solid.

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And I’m looking at it and I’m,
you know, I’m driving along.

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So I’m getting closer to it by
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And I’ve got, I mean, it’s right
in front of me and it’s, it’s

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like at least eight feet tall
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like stop sign or something, you
know, road sign, right?

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I mean, how tall are those
eight, ten feet?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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About that.

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Yeah, something like that.

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So and it was just solid.

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It was, and it was all the way
to the ground.

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So it wasn’t something that was,

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you know, it just didn’t make

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sense.

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And I just literally and I’m
knowing what I’m looking at

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because it’s, it’s shaped like a
body and there’s a head and

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there’s shoulders and there’s a
back and a rump and a leg and

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it’s all there.

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So that was amazing.

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And it was just standing there.

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It was almost like it had to
have known I was coming because

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there was no traffic.

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And that was what I was
wondering.

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Did it do you think it saw you?

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Oh, definitely.

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It had to have heard me coming.

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I mean, it just, you know, it
just.

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It was like it was just waiting.

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I was just waiting for me to see
it.

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And then, you know, once I was
like, right up on it, it took

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like one step into the trees and
it was gone.

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So you did see it actually move.

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So it wasn’t definitely wasn’t a
sign or some sort of a cardboard

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cutout or something.

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You saw it like go into the to
the forest.

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I saw it step into the trees.

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And so I saw it physically
moving because it was there.

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And then I’m moving.

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It’s moving.

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I’m, you know, I’m coming around
the corner.

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It’s everything’s moving at
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So I see the whole thing.

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And then as I’m coming up on it,
it’s just like it freezes and it

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just stops and just holds still.

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And then as I got real close, it
just stepped into the trees.

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So but the very clearest, you
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was really close to it was the
full back silhouette, you know

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what I’m saying?

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But I could not see the light

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through the trees in front of

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it.

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So it was really thick, you know
what I’m saying?

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So like, it didn’t have like a

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small waist or something because

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I would have seen the daylight

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in front of its belly and I

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didn’t.

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So it was like really thick.

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And that’s what a lot of the
reports of Sasquatch are.

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You know, it’s a lot of they,
they always comment about how

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thick they are and how wide
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And yeah, I was actually looking

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at hunting season in India and

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I’m thinking, well, what if it’s

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what could it have been somebody

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in a ghillie suit, but they’re

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really I mean, it was frog

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hunting season.

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So I don’t know if there’s a lot

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of ghillie suit hunters in June,

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because I think you said it was

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in June.

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Is that right?

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My, my my ex husband is a
colonel in the Marine Corps.

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So I know what a ghillie suit
looks like, you know?

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Yeah, definitely.

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Not that it was black, not green
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It was just as black as black
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And it was at dawn.

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It was like, because I loved, I

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loved home five, five thirty in

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the morning, something like

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that.

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So it was probably, you know,
getting to be six thirty.

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The sun had been, you know,
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It was pretty, you know, it
wasn’t broad daylight, but it

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was getting there.

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And again, there was no traffic.

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I didn’t see a single soul till
I got to Louisville.

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And I want to thank Angela for
sharing her encounter.

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Um. That’s amazing.

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I do have links to the section
of Interstate sixty four East

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that she’s referring to.

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That’s the Turkey Fork section,

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which is mile marker eighty

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eight.

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So if you go to River city

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mystery dot com slash fourteen,

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you can see the links to

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everything I mentioned on the

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podcast, including the bfro dot

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net reports I talked about

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earlier.

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I also spoke with Bill, who I
talked to from the Indiana

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Bigfoot Research Organization
Facebook page between twenty

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seventeen and twenty nineteen.

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He had three encounters that he
told me about, and this is Bill

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talking about his encounters.

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So it started off with us
hearing, um, I mean, it sounded

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like a classical, I mean, how of
a, of a wolf, but at the end was

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a squeal, as if a just a wee.

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It was really weird.

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I’ve never heard anything like
it before.

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I mean, I grew up in Tazewell,
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fishing and I never heard.

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I mean, bobcats will sound like
a you know, they’ll they’ll

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fight and say, hey, and you got
birds at night.

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That will sound like women, you
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And there’s a lot of things

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that, um, if you don’t know

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exactly what it is, it can freak

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And we would hear this and, um,
we heard maybe three or four

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times and the first time I heard
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myself and my fiance heard it.

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So we lived literally on the
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Um, you could throw a rock off
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the white River type.

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I mean it, whenever it came up
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be flooded in.

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Mhm.

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So right on the river.

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And when was when did this
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How long ago was this?

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Uh, twenty seventeen.

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And it, uh, it was two days
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And I, I just remember that
because of opening season.

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So, um, so I go up to her

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mother’s house, which is maybe

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two hundred yards up the road

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and, uh, we’re up there talking

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get done.

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And I go to get in the truck and
I turn on the truck and it

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lights up the hillside.

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And it’s about a, it’s a slight
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Um, it leads into the woods, but
it’s about twenty or thirty

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yards of nothing but saplings.

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I mean, like twelve year old
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bushes, just small saplings.

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And when I turn it on, the first
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what I think is a bush.

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And it reminds me of a bush
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Well, there’s no wind that
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And that’s what the first thing
I was like.

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My exact words was, what the
fuck is this?

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It was my.

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So I’m, I’m seeing this and I

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know there’s no there’s no

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bushes on this, on this

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hillside, but I’m seeing this

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bush.

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So I wrote down the window and

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that’s when I start recording

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because I’m like, what, what is

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this?

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You know, is it a bear?

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Because crane has like crane
military base around that area.

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They had within the past, I
think, fifteen years, they have

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released a total of seven bear
and they’ve all migrated down

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within, um, I would say three or
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So this is the first thing I’m
thinking is, well, maybe there’s

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a bear here.

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So I, I flip on my brights and
I’m recording this and I wrote

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on the window and you can hear
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it’s rocking slightly back and

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forth and you can clearly see

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it.

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So when someone squats, their

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legs want to split out and it

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gives you this almost like an M

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type silhouette, but you have a

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big high point in the center and

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it looked like a maybe either a

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Fu Manchu, which sounds really

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funny, but like a Fu Manchu

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beard or a big white patch on

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the chest.

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And my heart’s starting to race.

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I can imagine.

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Uh, so.

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And he’s just rocking back and
forth on the leg.

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Side, side to side.

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And it’s ever so slightly.

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You can see it in the video, but
it’s ever so slightly.

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And then I realized whatever it
is, is slowly scooting back to

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where it’s getting Into the
shadows where my headlights are

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no longer one to reach it.

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And at this point, I’m really
starting to get concerned.

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I don’t have a pistol or
anything with me, so.

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Right.

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And what time of the night was
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Oh, this was maybe an hour after
dark.

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Okay, so it was like pretty,
pretty dark.

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Because yeah, the first two

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things I’m thinking is bear or,

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you know, two days after opening

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season.

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Mhm.

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Maybe it’s a hunter and this,

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you know, decked out ghillie

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suit.

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I mean, I, I spent several years
in the army, so, but this was,

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um, the best way I can describe
it is if you like a porcupine

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type long grass.

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But when you how a grass blade

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when you move it and you can

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almost see the ripple effect

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like you quit moving, but the

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grass blade is still slightly

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moving.

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That’s exactly what I’m seeing.

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It it was ever so strange.

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So fiance says, well, why don’t

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you, you know, you think it was

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squatting.

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Why don’t you go out there and.

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Because you can see the the
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and maybe see how high this is.

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So I go out there and I go out
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And it’s between five foot, five
foot three.

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Squatting.

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So so that, that that’s in like
the seven foot range, right?

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So that that rules out a black
bear because they don’t get,

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they don’t get that high.

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They, they get maybe five, five
and a half, six feet.

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Um, and then I’m like seven foot
hunter in our backyard.

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And then I’m, I’m thinking, why
would, why, if it’s a hunter,

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then why would you just sit
there and risk the, you know,

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the chance of getting shot?

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Like it’s just that’s not
something you do around here.

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And, and, and that’s the thing
is people typically don’t wear

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ghillie suits hunting.

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They normally have orange of
some kind.

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And, uh, so I, I, I’m, I’m kind
of on the fence about that one.

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And I told her about it.

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So this, that happens without
incident.

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I leave because I don’t have the
balls to get out to go over

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there because like I said, I’m
thinking bear or I’m not trying

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to get into a scuffle with
black, you know?

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And I mean, you play it out so

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many ways and it’s like, there’s

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only so many ways this ends

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well.

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No matter what it is.

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It’s like it’s dark.

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You don’t have a weapon no
matter what that is.

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It’s like, ah, I’m gonna stay in
my truck.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, that would probably
be my thought process anyway.

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Yeah, exactly.

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There’s more things that can go
wrong than can do, right?

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So I, uh, I ended up essentially
kind of forgetting about it.

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And it was, uh, early to mid
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there was foliage on the tree.

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I mean, there’s plenty of leaves

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and I go up to go squirrel

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hunting.

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And this is maybe a mile, two
miles up the hillside.

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And it’s a fairly, fairly steep
hill.

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So I get about, I refer to as a
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area they had logged out maybe
ten, fifteen years ago.

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And I’m getting in this area and

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it’s maybe five, six o’clock in

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the afternoon.

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It’s not getting dark outside,

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but with the amount of foliage

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you have on the trees, it’s

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starting to get kind of dark on

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the inside.

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You know, in the canopy area.

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So I decide I’m going to start
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So I’m walking the ridgeline and

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imagine the ridgeline making a J

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shape.

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And from where I’m at to the end
of this ridgeline is maybe three

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or four hundred yards.

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It’s a big old giant J. So I hop

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this barbed wire fence and I

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hear what?

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As if you take two big rocks and
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hard as you can twice.

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Pop, pop. And I at this point.

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So I’m scrolling.

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I got twenty two.

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So I hear this.

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And the first thing I think is
bear.

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I’m thinking of a bear snapping
its jaws.

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And so I turn around and I go

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from my twelve o’clock to six

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o’clock.

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So now I’m facing what made this
noise.

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But it’s down below the hill
side of this ridgeline, well

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behind me now, which, which
originally be my twelve but is

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now my six.

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I hear pop pop about the same.

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Okay, so there are two of these
things.

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That’s what I’m gathering.

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Okay.

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And I turn back around.

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And I ended up recording this as

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well because anything bad starts

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to happen.

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The best thing you can, even if

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it’s you run into someone who’s

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crazy.

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00:16:49.000 –> 00:16:49.679
Speaker:
Mhm.

433
00:16:49.679 –> 00:16:50.360
Speaker:
It’s got a gun.

434
00:16:50.360 –> 00:16:52.759
Speaker:
The best thing you can do is
start recording.

435
00:16:52.759 –> 00:16:55.559
Speaker:
And these are on your these are
on your YouTube channel, right?

436
00:16:55.559 –> 00:16:55.879
Speaker:
Yeah.

437
00:16:55.879 –> 00:16:58.240
Speaker:
I’ll put a link to your YouTube
channel down in the show notes.

438
00:16:58.240 –> 00:17:01.000
Speaker:
That way everybody can, can
check these out.

439
00:17:01.000 –> 00:17:05.519
Speaker:
So I’m, I’m hearing this sound
and I turn around and I’m facing

440
00:17:05.519 –> 00:17:09.839
Speaker:
my, my was originally my twelve
o’clock and hearing the second

441
00:17:09.839 –> 00:17:12.400
Speaker:
pops behind me.

442
00:17:12.400 –> 00:17:13.599
Speaker:
He does it again.

443
00:17:13.599 –> 00:17:15.400
Speaker:
So I’m spinning around again.

444
00:17:16.640 –> 00:17:20.119
Speaker:
And now the guy that would have
been that made the initial

445
00:17:20.119 –> 00:17:23.559
Speaker:
second pop, that’s making the
fourth pop. Now he’s no longer

446
00:17:23.559 –> 00:17:25.519
Speaker:
at my six.

447
00:17:25.519 –> 00:17:28.039
Speaker:
He would be as if I’m facing
him.

448
00:17:28.039 –> 00:17:33.960
Speaker:
He’s now at my nine o’clock, so
he’s moved somehow over.

449
00:17:33.960 –> 00:17:35.640
Speaker:
Unless there’s three.

450
00:17:35.640 –> 00:17:40.450
Speaker:
I can’t tell you how many there
were because it.

451
00:17:40.450 –> 00:17:43.609
Speaker:
You could hear him, but you
couldn’t see them.

452
00:17:43.609 –> 00:17:44.609
Speaker:
What do you think they were
doing?

453
00:17:44.609 –> 00:17:46.789
Speaker:
What were they trying to corral

454
00:17:46.789 –> 00:17:47.849
Speaker:
you to go to a certain

455
00:17:47.849 –> 00:17:48.450
Speaker:
direction?

456
00:17:48.450 –> 00:17:50.569
Speaker:
Or do you think they were just
communicating with each other?

457
00:17:50.569 –> 00:17:52.329
Speaker:
Or what do you think was going
on?

458
00:17:52.329 –> 00:17:56.250
Speaker:
My initial thought was, I’m
getting flanked.

459
00:17:56.250 –> 00:17:59.630
Speaker:
I mean, that’s initially what
I’m thinking, because this is

460
00:17:59.630 –> 00:18:02.690
Speaker:
not very long after I get out of
service within like ten years.

461
00:18:02.690 –> 00:18:03.710
Speaker:
Immediately I’m thinking, I’m

462
00:18:03.710 –> 00:18:04.609
Speaker:
getting flanked, I’m getting

463
00:18:04.609 –> 00:18:05.490
Speaker:
flanked.

464
00:18:05.490 –> 00:18:09.890
Speaker:
So I beat feet down this
hillside and I end up wiping

465
00:18:09.890 –> 00:18:12.650
Speaker:
out, um, I hit a tree.

466
00:18:12.650 –> 00:18:17.529
Speaker:
Oh, no. I wipe out, I lose all
my ammo except for one round.

467
00:18:17.529 –> 00:18:21.329
Speaker:
And it it felt like forever
trying to find my weapon.

468
00:18:21.329 –> 00:18:23.569
Speaker:
And it was probably only a few

469
00:18:23.569 –> 00:18:25.769
Speaker:
seconds, but my adrenaline was

470
00:18:25.769 –> 00:18:26.410
Speaker:
pumping.

471
00:18:26.410 –> 00:18:27.730
Speaker:
This sounds like a movie.

472
00:18:27.730 –> 00:18:28.849
Speaker:
This sounds like a horrible part

473
00:18:28.849 –> 00:18:30.230
Speaker:
of the movie where you trip at

474
00:18:30.230 –> 00:18:31.410
Speaker:
the at the wrong time and you

475
00:18:31.410 –> 00:18:32.890
Speaker:
know, your ammunition goes

476
00:18:32.890 –> 00:18:33.250
Speaker:
everywhere.

477
00:18:33.250 –> 00:18:33.809
Speaker:
Oh my God.

478
00:18:33.809 –> 00:18:34.329
Speaker:
Yeah.

479
00:18:34.329 –> 00:18:34.970
Speaker:
It’s exact.

480
00:18:34.970 –> 00:18:37.859
Speaker:
And so I’m, I’m, I have this one

481
00:18:37.859 –> 00:18:40.240
Speaker:
round and I see my weapon, so I

482
00:18:40.240 –> 00:18:42.299
Speaker:
grab it and I’m disoriented at

483
00:18:42.299 –> 00:18:45.460
Speaker:
this point, but I see a downed

484
00:18:45.460 –> 00:18:46.779
Speaker:
tree.

485
00:18:46.779 –> 00:18:50.019
Speaker:
So immediately I jump over this
downed tree and I lay down in

486
00:18:50.019 –> 00:18:50.779
Speaker:
the prone position.

487
00:18:50.779 –> 00:18:52.180
Speaker:
I just don’t move.

488
00:18:52.180 –> 00:18:53.660
Speaker:
And I just try and start control

489
00:18:53.660 –> 00:18:55.740
Speaker:
my breathing and just try and

490
00:18:55.740 –> 00:18:57.539
Speaker:
compose myself.

491
00:18:57.539 –> 00:19:04.299
Speaker:
And by this point, I had turned
off my, uh, um, cell phone

492
00:19:04.299 –> 00:19:06.660
Speaker:
footage before I had wiped out.

493
00:19:06.660 –> 00:19:09.019
Speaker:
Um, it was as soon as I started
to head down the hills when I

494
00:19:09.019 –> 00:19:09.539
Speaker:
turned it off.

495
00:19:09.539 –> 00:19:11.299
Speaker:
So I don’t get any of that.

496
00:19:12.420 –> 00:19:15.700
Speaker:
So as I’m starting to compose
myself, then I’m like, cell

497
00:19:15.700 –> 00:19:16.779
Speaker:
phone, cell phone, cell phone.

498
00:19:16.779 –> 00:19:18.259
Speaker:
So I’m trying to find my cell
phone.

499
00:19:18.259 –> 00:19:20.819
Speaker:
I find it and I start recording
again.

500
00:19:20.819 –> 00:19:25.960
Speaker:
So I build up the courage to get
up and I start walking, and I

501
00:19:25.960 –> 00:19:32.099
Speaker:
kind of get a bearing of where
I’m at and I hear a whistle.

502
00:19:32.099 –> 00:19:36.160
Speaker:
Um, so it’s like a red tailed
hawk.

503
00:19:36.160 –> 00:19:38.519
Speaker:
The classic, you know, it

504
00:19:38.519 –> 00:19:39.839
Speaker:
sounded like that, but it was

505
00:19:39.839 –> 00:19:41.119
Speaker:
obviously it wasn’t a red tailed

506
00:19:41.119 –> 00:19:42.480
Speaker:
hawk.

507
00:19:42.480 –> 00:19:45.640
Speaker:
As soon as it happens, all these
other birds start just chiming

508
00:19:45.640 –> 00:19:46.920
Speaker:
in with it.

509
00:19:46.920 –> 00:19:48.599
Speaker:
And so I start panning the

510
00:19:48.599 –> 00:19:51.839
Speaker:
hillside and it’s like, I think

511
00:19:51.839 –> 00:19:53.059
Speaker:
we’ve called it like white

512
00:19:53.059 –> 00:19:53.759
Speaker:
shading.

513
00:19:53.759 –> 00:20:00.599
Speaker:
Um, so whenever let’s say you’re
on a building and you like it’s

514
00:20:00.599 –> 00:20:02.920
Speaker:
the worst place to be is
standing up on a building.

515
00:20:02.920 –> 00:20:05.240
Speaker:
If like you’re in Iraq or
Afghanistan, you’re shooting

516
00:20:05.240 –> 00:20:09.400
Speaker:
down at someone because you are
leaving a perfect silhouette of

517
00:20:09.400 –> 00:20:12.079
Speaker:
yourself against the skyline.

518
00:20:12.079 –> 00:20:13.720
Speaker:
So that’s what I’m seeing at

519
00:20:13.720 –> 00:20:15.480
Speaker:
this point is everything on a

520
00:20:15.480 –> 00:20:16.960
Speaker:
ridgeline, but I’m seeing the

521
00:20:16.960 –> 00:20:19.240
Speaker:
silhouette of them and I’m

522
00:20:19.240 –> 00:20:21.240
Speaker:
seeing what looks like a

523
00:20:21.240 –> 00:20:22.720
Speaker:
gorilla.

524
00:20:22.720 –> 00:20:26.559
Speaker:
Like it looks like a gorilla is

525
00:20:26.559 –> 00:20:29.000
Speaker:
exactly what it looked like, and

526
00:20:29.000 –> 00:20:31.700
Speaker:
it’s looking where I should be

527
00:20:31.700 –> 00:20:32.640
Speaker:
at.

528
00:20:32.640 –> 00:20:35.450
Speaker:
But I wiped out and I got
disoriented.

529
00:20:35.450 –> 00:20:38.450
Speaker:
So I had moved up behind this
tree, which was maybe twenty

530
00:20:38.450 –> 00:20:42.450
Speaker:
yards to the left of where I
should be at.

531
00:20:42.450 –> 00:20:44.009
Speaker:
And you can see, and it’s

532
00:20:44.009 –> 00:20:45.089
Speaker:
looking where I should be at,

533
00:20:45.089 –> 00:20:47.769
Speaker:
but it’s grasping a tree and

534
00:20:47.769 –> 00:20:49.130
Speaker:
it’s I don’t know if it’s trying

535
00:20:49.130 –> 00:20:50.730
Speaker:
to hide behind it or what, but

536
00:20:50.730 –> 00:20:51.569
Speaker:
it’s not.

537
00:20:51.569 –> 00:20:52.970
Speaker:
You can’t hide behind it.

538
00:20:52.970 –> 00:20:54.569
Speaker:
This small tree compared to this

539
00:20:54.569 –> 00:20:57.089
Speaker:
thing, it’s huge broad

540
00:20:57.089 –> 00:20:59.990
Speaker:
shoulders, no neck like

541
00:20:59.990 –> 00:21:02.390
Speaker:
bodybuilder Brock Lesnar type,

542
00:21:02.390 –> 00:21:03.569
Speaker:
no neck.

543
00:21:03.569 –> 00:21:08.650
Speaker:
And but but the legs were very
proportionate to the body.

544
00:21:08.650 –> 00:21:10.849
Speaker:
They wasn’t like a gorilla,
small egg.

545
00:21:10.849 –> 00:21:13.450
Speaker:
This was it.

546
00:21:14.490 –> 00:21:18.769
Speaker:
Then it looks and it realizes
where I’m at and it turns it.

547
00:21:18.769 –> 00:21:20.009
Speaker:
So it goes from the right side

548
00:21:20.009 –> 00:21:22.210
Speaker:
of the tree to the left side of

549
00:21:22.210 –> 00:21:23.569
Speaker:
the tree, and it changes its

550
00:21:23.569 –> 00:21:26.369
Speaker:
posture to, to where it’s the

551
00:21:26.369 –> 00:21:28.329
Speaker:
same posture, but it’s the

552
00:21:28.329 –> 00:21:30.009
Speaker:
opposite way looking on the

553
00:21:30.009 –> 00:21:31.210
Speaker:
tree.

554
00:21:31.210 –> 00:21:33.480
Speaker:
And that’s when it stands up

555
00:21:33.480 –> 00:21:35.619
Speaker:
completely and steps out from

556
00:21:35.619 –> 00:21:37.539
Speaker:
behind the tree, which it wasn’t

557
00:21:37.539 –> 00:21:39.259
Speaker:
really hiding because it was

558
00:21:39.259 –> 00:21:40.579
Speaker:
three times the width of the

559
00:21:40.579 –> 00:21:41.180
Speaker:
tree.

560
00:21:42.819 –> 00:21:45.220
Speaker:
And I’m like, fuck this.

561
00:21:45.220 –> 00:21:47.259
Speaker:
And I take off running.

562
00:21:47.259 –> 00:21:50.039
Speaker:
I’m beating feet and I think I

563
00:21:50.039 –> 00:21:51.400
Speaker:
give some sort of smart ass

564
00:21:51.400 –> 00:21:51.740
Speaker:
comment.

565
00:21:51.740 –> 00:21:53.980
Speaker:
If you don’t see this shit, I’m
finding Bigfoot.

566
00:21:57.099 –> 00:22:00.500
Speaker:
So that that goes down and I’m.

567
00:22:00.500 –> 00:22:06.500
Speaker:
I tell Audrey about it and she’s
laughing and she’s like, yeah.

568
00:22:06.500 –> 00:22:07.460
Speaker:
And I’m like, what?

569
00:22:07.460 –> 00:22:08.740
Speaker:
She goes, really?

570
00:22:08.740 –> 00:22:11.819
Speaker:
You’re really going to make up a
story like this to tell me?

571
00:22:11.819 –> 00:22:14.319
Speaker:
Seriously, I thought we were
grown ups around here and I’m

572
00:22:14.319 –> 00:22:15.140
Speaker:
getting pissed off.

573
00:22:15.140 –> 00:22:19.819
Speaker:
I was like, I got it recorded
and she goes, aha, I bet you do.

574
00:22:19.819 –> 00:22:21.740
Speaker:
I was like, oh no, no, we’re
doing this.

575
00:22:21.740 –> 00:22:24.619
Speaker:
So I, I play it out for her and
we get done watching it.

576
00:22:24.619 –> 00:22:26.819
Speaker:
And she looks at me and she
goes, what the fuck was that?

577
00:22:26.819 –> 00:22:29.980
Speaker:
I go, exactly, that’s what I’m
telling you.

578
00:22:31.720 –> 00:22:33.759
Speaker:
So it’s she gets.

579
00:22:33.759 –> 00:22:34.119
Speaker:
Yeah.

580
00:22:34.119 –> 00:22:40.000
Speaker:
So Covid hits and I, I don’t go
up in those woods anymore.

581
00:22:40.000 –> 00:22:41.559
Speaker:
I refuse after that.

582
00:22:41.559 –> 00:22:43.720
Speaker:
I refuse to go up there.

583
00:22:43.720 –> 00:22:47.519
Speaker:
I don’t care if I’m with someone
else and we have guns.

584
00:22:47.519 –> 00:22:49.720
Speaker:
I’m not going up there.

585
00:22:49.720 –> 00:22:52.200
Speaker:
I, and I can’t say that I blame
you after that.

586
00:22:52.200 –> 00:22:53.880
Speaker:
Like, I’m, I’m not going up
there.

587
00:22:53.880 –> 00:22:54.599
Speaker:
Yeah.

588
00:22:55.720 –> 00:22:59.680
Speaker:
So like I, I, I reported the
Bfro okay.

589
00:22:59.680 –> 00:23:01.359
Speaker:
Contacted me within.

590
00:23:03.279 –> 00:23:04.480
Speaker:
A couple weeks.

591
00:23:04.480 –> 00:23:05.640
Speaker:
Okay.

592
00:23:05.640 –> 00:23:07.599
Speaker:
So I, I had reported it to them

593
00:23:07.599 –> 00:23:10.180
Speaker:
and my exact words to them is,

594
00:23:10.180 –> 00:23:12.839
Speaker:
you know, I can’t sit here and

595
00:23:12.839 –> 00:23:14.160
Speaker:
say it was a Bigfoot because I

596
00:23:14.160 –> 00:23:15.599
Speaker:
don’t know what a Bigfoot looks

597
00:23:15.599 –> 00:23:16.319
Speaker:
like.

598
00:23:16.319 –> 00:23:18.079
Speaker:
I’ve never seen one.

599
00:23:18.079 –> 00:23:20.799
Speaker:
But I can tell you what it
wasn’t.

600
00:23:20.799 –> 00:23:22.680
Speaker:
I know it wasn’t a bear.

601
00:23:22.680 –> 00:23:24.799
Speaker:
I know it wasn’t a deer.

602
00:23:24.799 –> 00:23:26.160
Speaker:
I know it wasn’t a person.

603
00:23:26.160 –> 00:23:27.640
Speaker:
No person’s that damn stupid.

604
00:23:27.640 –> 00:23:30.440
Speaker:
Especially when I have a gun
like you, don’t you?

605
00:23:30.440 –> 00:23:33.089
Speaker:
You’re you’re begging to get
fucking shot.

606
00:23:33.089 –> 00:23:36.849
Speaker:
And like, I can tell you what it
wasn’t.

607
00:23:36.849 –> 00:23:40.369
Speaker:
And I can tell you what it kind
of looked like, but I can’t tell

608
00:23:40.369 –> 00:23:41.410
Speaker:
you what it was.

609
00:23:42.849 –> 00:23:44.809
Speaker:
Did you get a good look at its
face?

610
00:23:44.809 –> 00:23:46.289
Speaker:
Like you said, it looked like a
gorilla.

611
00:23:46.289 –> 00:23:48.049
Speaker:
Did you see its eyes or any

612
00:23:48.049 –> 00:23:49.410
Speaker:
facial features or anything like

613
00:23:49.410 –> 00:23:49.569
Speaker:
that?

614
00:23:49.569 –> 00:23:50.730
Speaker:
But you saw kind of like the

615
00:23:50.730 –> 00:23:52.089
Speaker:
silhouette of what looked like a

616
00:23:52.089 –> 00:23:52.609
Speaker:
gorilla.

617
00:23:52.609 –> 00:23:54.329
Speaker:
Yeah, there was too much

618
00:23:54.329 –> 00:23:56.910
Speaker:
lighting behind it to give a

619
00:23:56.910 –> 00:23:58.250
Speaker:
good facial.

620
00:24:00.210 –> 00:24:01.890
Speaker:
Definition.

621
00:24:01.890 –> 00:24:03.450
Speaker:
But a gorilla silhouette looks

622
00:24:03.450 –> 00:24:04.730
Speaker:
much different than a human

623
00:24:04.730 –> 00:24:05.930
Speaker:
silhouette, so you can at least

624
00:24:05.930 –> 00:24:06.609
Speaker:
tell that.

625
00:24:06.609 –> 00:24:08.609
Speaker:
So, you know, the it was the

626
00:24:08.609 –> 00:24:11.710
Speaker:
posture to the posture is like,

627
00:24:11.710 –> 00:24:12.009
Speaker:
right.

628
00:24:12.009 –> 00:24:14.769
Speaker:
It was spot on until it stood
up.

629
00:24:14.769 –> 00:24:16.769
Speaker:
And then it didn’t have that
posture.

630
00:24:16.769 –> 00:24:19.250
Speaker:
It had straight human posture.

631
00:24:19.250 –> 00:24:24.410
Speaker:
I, like I said, I can’t tell you
what it was, but I can tell you

632
00:24:24.410 –> 00:24:26.049
Speaker:
what it wasn’t.

633
00:24:26.049 –> 00:24:27.569
Speaker:
Did you feel threatened by it?

634
00:24:27.569 –> 00:24:29.750
Speaker:
Like, did it give off any vibes
of.

635
00:24:29.750 –> 00:24:33.589
Speaker:
Was it aggressive in any way
that like, did you think it was

636
00:24:33.589 –> 00:24:36.369
Speaker:
chasing you or something like
that as you were taking off or

637
00:24:36.369 –> 00:24:38.630
Speaker:
just observing you or what?

638
00:24:38.630 –> 00:24:40.390
Speaker:
What do you think its intentions
were?

639
00:24:40.390 –> 00:24:42.589
Speaker:
It felt like once I got to a

640
00:24:42.589 –> 00:24:47.710
Speaker:
certain point, it was, I’m done

641
00:24:47.710 –> 00:24:49.430
Speaker:
with you, but I’m going to watch

642
00:24:49.430 –> 00:24:50.710
Speaker:
and make sure you don’t come

643
00:24:50.710 –> 00:24:51.309
Speaker:
back.

644
00:24:51.309 –> 00:24:52.349
Speaker:
Mhm.

645
00:24:52.349 –> 00:24:53.190
Speaker:
That’s the vibe.

646
00:24:53.190 –> 00:24:55.230
Speaker:
I got kind of a territorial
thing.

647
00:24:55.230 –> 00:24:56.589
Speaker:
Like you’re in my territory.

648
00:24:56.589 –> 00:25:02.950
Speaker:
Yeah, yeah, it that’s basically
yeah, that’ll be spot on it.

649
00:25:02.950 –> 00:25:03.549
Speaker:
It was.

650
00:25:03.549 –> 00:25:07.670
Speaker:
Um, and I’m not going to lie,
before all this, I would if

651
00:25:07.670 –> 00:25:12.309
Speaker:
someone told me they saw
Bigfoot, I would say, yeah, I

652
00:25:12.309 –> 00:25:13.710
Speaker:
bet you did.

653
00:25:13.710 –> 00:25:21.509
Speaker:
Because it’s, it’s not something
that that’s not I deal with um,

654
00:25:21.509 –> 00:25:26.750
Speaker:
odds percentages and I’ve got to
see it to believe it.

655
00:25:26.750 –> 00:25:31.319
Speaker:
Like, um, I just, I, I have to
see it to believe it.

656
00:25:31.319 –> 00:25:33.839
Speaker:
Believe nothing you hear and
half you see.

657
00:25:33.839 –> 00:25:34.559
Speaker:
Right.

658
00:25:34.559 –> 00:25:37.440
Speaker:
And I would love to see when
I’ve never experienced that.

659
00:25:37.440 –> 00:25:40.960
Speaker:
But I, I tend to believe that
people generally don’t make up

660
00:25:40.960 –> 00:25:44.759
Speaker:
stuff like what do you have to
gain by making up stories and

661
00:25:44.759 –> 00:25:47.200
Speaker:
all these thousands of other
people that have said they’ve

662
00:25:47.200 –> 00:25:49.380
Speaker:
seen something and it’s like,
ah, is everyone just like,

663
00:25:49.380 –> 00:25:53.720
Speaker:
either everyone’s lying or
there’s something there.

664
00:25:53.720 –> 00:25:56.000
Speaker:
The only thing I’ve gained out
of this is ridicule.

665
00:25:56.000 –> 00:25:56.759
Speaker:
Mhm.

666
00:25:56.759 –> 00:25:58.420
Speaker:
Like there’s no, you know,

667
00:25:58.420 –> 00:25:59.960
Speaker:
money’s not pouring in and

668
00:25:59.960 –> 00:26:00.839
Speaker:
you’re not going to be like, oh,

669
00:26:00.839 –> 00:26:01.700
Speaker:
wow, there’s the guy that saw

670
00:26:01.700 –> 00:26:02.079
Speaker:
Bigfoot.

671
00:26:02.079 –> 00:26:04.079
Speaker:
You know, it’s like you’ve got
nothing to gain.

672
00:26:04.079 –> 00:26:06.559
Speaker:
You just risk, you know, looking
like a fool.

673
00:26:06.559 –> 00:26:07.799
Speaker:
But people still come.

674
00:26:07.799 –> 00:26:09.759
Speaker:
So I think there’s a lot more
people for that reason.

675
00:26:09.759 –> 00:26:11.559
Speaker:
I think a lot more people have
experiences.

676
00:26:11.559 –> 00:26:13.599
Speaker:
They just don’t come forward.

677
00:26:13.599 –> 00:26:15.200
Speaker:
So it’s like you makes you
wonder how many other people

678
00:26:15.200 –> 00:26:18.160
Speaker:
have seen something and they
just keep it to themselves.

679
00:26:18.160 –> 00:26:19.680
Speaker:
Yeah.

680
00:26:19.680 –> 00:26:23.539
Speaker:
So the very last time is maybe

681
00:26:23.539 –> 00:26:25.039
Speaker:
four miles from where this

682
00:26:25.039 –> 00:26:25.440
Speaker:
happened.

683
00:26:25.440 –> 00:26:26.890
Speaker:
And it’s still in the white

684
00:26:26.890 –> 00:26:29.009
Speaker:
River, but it’s, um, it’s called

685
00:26:29.009 –> 00:26:29.890
Speaker:
flat rock.

686
00:26:29.890 –> 00:26:30.609
Speaker:
Okay.

687
00:26:30.609 –> 00:26:33.329
Speaker:
It’s it’s an area that’s in
shoals.

688
00:26:33.329 –> 00:26:36.849
Speaker:
We, uh, decide we’re going to go
star watching, and she’s

689
00:26:36.849 –> 00:26:41.890
Speaker:
pregnant with twins, and we take
our, um, fifteen year old, which

690
00:26:41.890 –> 00:26:45.930
Speaker:
she was maybe thirteen,
fourteen, I don’t remember.

691
00:26:45.930 –> 00:26:47.049
Speaker:
I’m trying to think.

692
00:26:47.049 –> 00:26:49.569
Speaker:
Trying to do the math in my head
right now, but I can’t.

693
00:26:49.569 –> 00:26:51.589
Speaker:
But, um, we get out there and

694
00:26:51.589 –> 00:26:52.990
Speaker:
and when was this by the way,

695
00:26:52.990 –> 00:26:55.369
Speaker:
this third this was this would

696
00:26:55.369 –> 00:27:00.809
Speaker:
be in April may of two thousand

697
00:27:00.809 –> 00:27:01.529
Speaker:
nineteen.

698
00:27:01.529 –> 00:27:02.170
Speaker:
Okay.

699
00:27:03.450 –> 00:27:06.809
Speaker:
So we get out to flat Rock.

700
00:27:06.809 –> 00:27:13.609
Speaker:
And the first thing we noticed
was, um, two sheriffs that were

701
00:27:13.609 –> 00:27:21.009
Speaker:
bumper to bumper and they’re off
to the side road and which is

702
00:27:21.009 –> 00:27:22.329
Speaker:
the turnoff to.

703
00:27:22.329 –> 00:27:24.650
Speaker:
Um, they would have been off to
the right to turn off to flat

704
00:27:24.650 –> 00:27:26.190
Speaker:
rock would be to the left.

705
00:27:26.190 –> 00:27:29.789
Speaker:
So we turned off the flat rock
and then they drove by.

706
00:27:29.789 –> 00:27:31.470
Speaker:
Then the state cop drove by.

707
00:27:31.470 –> 00:27:33.109
Speaker:
Then DNR drove by.

708
00:27:33.109 –> 00:27:34.750
Speaker:
Two other cops drove by.

709
00:27:34.750 –> 00:27:37.130
Speaker:
So all these cops driving by and

710
00:27:37.130 –> 00:27:38.650
Speaker:
I look at Audrey and I’m like,

711
00:27:38.650 –> 00:27:39.509
Speaker:
you know, somebody’s getting

712
00:27:39.509 –> 00:27:40.309
Speaker:
raided tonight.

713
00:27:41.750 –> 00:27:46.430
Speaker:
And it wasn’t, but maybe
fifteen, twenty minutes.

714
00:27:46.430 –> 00:27:47.549
Speaker:
They all come back by.

715
00:27:47.549 –> 00:27:49.349
Speaker:
And it was peculiar because the

716
00:27:49.349 –> 00:27:50.970
Speaker:
last cop had pulled in and come

717
00:27:50.970 –> 00:27:52.390
Speaker:
talk to us, which normally they

718
00:27:52.390 –> 00:27:53.349
Speaker:
don’t.

719
00:27:53.349 –> 00:27:54.869
Speaker:
They don’t come talk to no one.

720
00:27:54.869 –> 00:27:56.069
Speaker:
They just kind of leave you
alone.

721
00:27:56.069 –> 00:27:56.910
Speaker:
Right?

722
00:27:56.910 –> 00:27:59.450
Speaker:
And we kind of shoot the shit
with him for a little bit, and

723
00:27:59.450 –> 00:28:01.069
Speaker:
he goes on his way.

724
00:28:02.309 –> 00:28:04.230
Speaker:
And before all this was

725
00:28:04.230 –> 00:28:06.990
Speaker:
happening, you had all the

726
00:28:06.990 –> 00:28:07.990
Speaker:
crickets.

727
00:28:07.990 –> 00:28:11.670
Speaker:
I mean, the whippoorwills, night
night owls.

728
00:28:11.670 –> 00:28:18.170
Speaker:
I mean, everything that’s come
to life at night and which this

729
00:28:18.170 –> 00:28:20.349
Speaker:
that’s one thing I can remember
was the sound.

730
00:28:20.349 –> 00:28:23.109
Speaker:
After the cop leaves, we start

731
00:28:23.109 –> 00:28:24.480
Speaker:
shining the light back into the

732
00:28:24.480 –> 00:28:26.960
Speaker:
sky, and we’re pointing out

733
00:28:26.960 –> 00:28:27.960
Speaker:
constellations.

734
00:28:27.960 –> 00:28:34.519
Speaker:
And it’s as soon as he leaves, I
look at Audrey and I go, where

735
00:28:34.519 –> 00:28:36.119
Speaker:
did everything go?

736
00:28:36.119 –> 00:28:37.279
Speaker:
And she goes, what do you mean?

737
00:28:37.279 –> 00:28:38.440
Speaker:
I go, listen.

738
00:28:38.440 –> 00:28:42.759
Speaker:
And the only thing you can hear
is the waterfall from the flat

739
00:28:42.759 –> 00:28:45.599
Speaker:
rock waterfalls by there.

740
00:28:45.599 –> 00:28:46.759
Speaker:
Everything else is went

741
00:28:46.759 –> 00:28:49.599
Speaker:
completely dead quiet, which was

742
00:28:49.599 –> 00:28:50.960
Speaker:
really eerie.

743
00:28:52.200 –> 00:28:55.640
Speaker:
And if you’ve ever heard a sound
so loud, like at a rock concert,

744
00:28:55.640 –> 00:28:58.319
Speaker:
your ears distort it.

745
00:28:58.319 –> 00:29:00.079
Speaker:
Or it’s staticky, right?

746
00:29:01.200 –> 00:29:01.960
Speaker:
Just.

747
00:29:03.880 –> 00:29:06.559
Speaker:
All this duct down the dog
yipes.

748
00:29:06.559 –> 00:29:09.720
Speaker:
Oh, we had our little beagle
with us to the dog yipes.

749
00:29:09.720 –> 00:29:13.519
Speaker:
Um, Tinsley is, which is my
fifteen year old now.

750
00:29:13.519 –> 00:29:17.319
Speaker:
She is hysterical and I’m like,
be quiet, be quiet.

751
00:29:17.319 –> 00:29:17.880
Speaker:
And they’re like, what?

752
00:29:17.880 –> 00:29:20.640
Speaker:
I was like, listen, listen,
listen.

753
00:29:20.640 –> 00:29:23.259
Speaker:
And something started to come
down the hillside.

754
00:29:23.259 –> 00:29:25.980
Speaker:
I can’t tell you it was two
legged or four legged.

755
00:29:25.980 –> 00:29:27.220
Speaker:
I can’t tell you that.

756
00:29:27.220 –> 00:29:30.339
Speaker:
But I can tell you it had
significant weight to it.

757
00:29:30.339 –> 00:29:31.859
Speaker:
Okay.

758
00:29:31.859 –> 00:29:33.700
Speaker:
And the thing that creeped me

759
00:29:33.700 –> 00:29:36.140
Speaker:
out was every time it would step

760
00:29:36.140 –> 00:29:38.819
Speaker:
on a branch, it would stop

761
00:29:38.819 –> 00:29:39.460
Speaker:
walking.

762
00:29:39.460 –> 00:29:40.960
Speaker:
And you could literally count to

763
00:29:40.960 –> 00:29:43.420
Speaker:
fifteen, and then it would start

764
00:29:43.420 –> 00:29:44.420
Speaker:
walking again.

765
00:29:44.420 –> 00:29:48.819
Speaker:
And it happened four times as it
came down this big old hillside.

766
00:29:48.819 –> 00:29:51.579
Speaker:
And Audrey, this whole time was
yelling at me.

767
00:29:51.579 –> 00:29:53.019
Speaker:
Get in the goddamn car!

768
00:29:53.019 –> 00:29:53.859
Speaker:
Get in the car!

769
00:29:53.859 –> 00:29:56.539
Speaker:
And I’m like, no, I want to see
what this is.

770
00:29:56.539 –> 00:29:59.180
Speaker:
She goes, you know exactly what
it is.

771
00:29:59.180 –> 00:30:00.539
Speaker:
Get in the goddamn car!

772
00:30:00.539 –> 00:30:04.140
Speaker:
And I’m like, no. Well, she’s
done pissed off at this point.

773
00:30:04.140 –> 00:30:05.140
Speaker:
She’s ready to leave.

774
00:30:05.140 –> 00:30:09.079
Speaker:
Which in all fairness, we should
have left just in case it would

775
00:30:09.079 –> 00:30:09.819
Speaker:
have been a bear.

776
00:30:09.819 –> 00:30:11.339
Speaker:
You never know.

777
00:30:11.339 –> 00:30:13.259
Speaker:
But the sound the.

778
00:30:15.500 –> 00:30:17.019
Speaker:
People told me that it could
have sound.

779
00:30:17.019 –> 00:30:20.440
Speaker:
It could have been a crow
nesting because of the sound

780
00:30:20.440 –> 00:30:22.549
Speaker:
I’ve heard crows nest.

781
00:30:22.549 –> 00:30:24.630
Speaker:
And I’ve heard the cause they
make.

782
00:30:24.630 –> 00:30:28.589
Speaker:
And it was not that by any
means.

783
00:30:28.589 –> 00:30:31.990
Speaker:
This sounded like a damn
chimpanzee getting the shit beat

784
00:30:31.990 –> 00:30:32.950
Speaker:
out of it.

785
00:30:32.950 –> 00:30:35.910
Speaker:
That’s like a fight in a zoo.

786
00:30:35.910 –> 00:30:38.190
Speaker:
That’s exactly what it sounded
like.

787
00:30:38.190 –> 00:30:39.630
Speaker:
Like a fight in a zoo.

788
00:30:39.630 –> 00:30:40.670
Speaker:
And that.

789
00:30:40.670 –> 00:30:42.950
Speaker:
That’s exactly what Audrey said
as well.

790
00:30:42.950 –> 00:30:45.069
Speaker:
And Tinsley, she goes, I’ve

791
00:30:45.069 –> 00:30:46.470
Speaker:
never seen monkeys fight in a

792
00:30:46.470 –> 00:30:46.990
Speaker:
zoo before.

793
00:30:46.990 –> 00:30:49.910
Speaker:
But I tell you what, I bet you
it sounds like that.

794
00:30:49.910 –> 00:30:50.670
Speaker:
Mhm.

795
00:30:50.670 –> 00:30:51.349
Speaker:
Wow.

796
00:30:52.430 –> 00:30:53.150
Speaker:
And you said you.

797
00:30:53.150 –> 00:30:54.630
Speaker:
And you said there was a lot of
weight to it.

798
00:30:54.630 –> 00:30:56.309
Speaker:
So it’s not like a birds

799
00:30:56.309 –> 00:30:58.170
Speaker:
wouldn’t probably have that same

800
00:30:58.170 –> 00:30:58.829
Speaker:
weight.

801
00:30:58.829 –> 00:31:05.109
Speaker:
So if you’re in the woods long
enough, whenever you’re walking

802
00:31:05.109 –> 00:31:10.829
Speaker:
and you can hear pops of
different branches, you can get

803
00:31:10.829 –> 00:31:16.230
Speaker:
a pretty good idea of the
density of how thick something

804
00:31:16.230 –> 00:31:18.069
Speaker:
is by the pop it makes.

805
00:31:19.069 –> 00:31:24.519
Speaker:
So. And these were not branches
that were these were significant

806
00:31:24.519 –> 00:31:29.680
Speaker:
size pops, like something was
stepping on big.

807
00:31:29.680 –> 00:31:31.519
Speaker:
I don’t want to say logs, right.

808
00:31:31.519 –> 00:31:35.720
Speaker:
Because that that sounds way too
big, but big thick branches.

809
00:31:35.720 –> 00:31:36.000
Speaker:
Yeah.

810
00:31:36.000 –> 00:31:37.480
Speaker:
Not twigs, you know.

811
00:31:37.480 –> 00:31:38.279
Speaker:
Yeah.

812
00:31:38.279 –> 00:31:39.680
Speaker:
And these were not twigs.

813
00:31:39.680 –> 00:31:42.119
Speaker:
These were not snaps.

814
00:31:42.119 –> 00:31:43.839
Speaker:
These were very loud.

815
00:31:43.839 –> 00:31:47.559
Speaker:
And I do I, I understand at
nighttime things are amplified

816
00:31:47.559 –> 00:31:52.200
Speaker:
because of, you know, everything
else is kind of dead and quiet.

817
00:31:52.200 –> 00:31:56.079
Speaker:
But this was I’ve spent a lot of
time in the woods.

818
00:31:56.079 –> 00:31:59.839
Speaker:
Like I can I when I say deer
hunt, I don’t mean getting a

819
00:31:59.839 –> 00:32:01.440
Speaker:
tree stand like that.

820
00:32:01.440 –> 00:32:02.200
Speaker:
That’s cheating.

821
00:32:02.200 –> 00:32:04.400
Speaker:
That’s not the same as deer
weighting.

822
00:32:04.400 –> 00:32:08.960
Speaker:
I, I qualified deer hunting as
you literally find a buck and

823
00:32:08.960 –> 00:32:10.640
Speaker:
you track that son of a bitch.

824
00:32:10.640 –> 00:32:11.359
Speaker:
Mhm.

825
00:32:11.359 –> 00:32:15.559
Speaker:
It’s it’s it’s it takes the fun
out of it because there’s no

826
00:32:15.559 –> 00:32:17.359
Speaker:
danger sitting in a tree.

827
00:32:17.359 –> 00:32:21.700
Speaker:
There’s danger if you’re trying
to track a buck and he’s in rut,

828
00:32:21.700 –> 00:32:24.180
Speaker:
I mean, that thing can kill you.

829
00:32:24.180 –> 00:32:26.660
Speaker:
That’s the joy I get out of it.

830
00:32:26.660 –> 00:32:29.740
Speaker:
So you’re no stranger to this
whole, you know, the woods and

831
00:32:29.740 –> 00:32:32.180
Speaker:
how what things sound like and
that sort of thing.

832
00:32:32.180 –> 00:32:34.019
Speaker:
So that’s important.

833
00:32:34.019 –> 00:32:37.500
Speaker:
Well, I, like I said, I grew up
in a very rural area growing up.

834
00:32:37.500 –> 00:32:42.779
Speaker:
And I mean, I can, I can track I
mean, that’s something that

835
00:32:42.779 –> 00:32:46.339
Speaker:
that’s, that’s the type of
outdoors person I am.

836
00:32:46.339 –> 00:32:51.579
Speaker:
This I don’t know what this was
like.

837
00:32:51.579 –> 00:32:55.380
Speaker:
I, I’ve, I heard everything you
can think of.

838
00:32:55.380 –> 00:32:58.420
Speaker:
This was nothing I’m ever
accustomed to ever.

839
00:32:59.900 –> 00:33:01.900
Speaker:
And you didn’t see this is one
you just heard.

840
00:33:01.900 –> 00:33:03.700
Speaker:
You didn’t see this one at all.

841
00:33:03.700 –> 00:33:04.619
Speaker:
Okay.

842
00:33:04.619 –> 00:33:05.099
Speaker:
Yeah.

843
00:33:05.099 –> 00:33:09.299
Speaker:
And the strangest thing about it
was, and I could I’ll just

844
00:33:09.299 –> 00:33:13.420
Speaker:
imagine of something like a. It
had to be heavy.

845
00:33:13.420 –> 00:33:16.500
Speaker:
Like it’s it’s it had to be
heavy.

846
00:33:16.500 –> 00:33:20.190
Speaker:
Were there other people anywhere
near like, was this pretty

847
00:33:20.190 –> 00:33:22.990
Speaker:
remote where there wouldn’t be
other people roaming around or

848
00:33:22.990 –> 00:33:24.230
Speaker:
anything like that?

849
00:33:24.230 –> 00:33:27.710
Speaker:
No, no. No houses near anything.

850
00:33:27.710 –> 00:33:29.269
Speaker:
No, this is, uh.

851
00:33:29.269 –> 00:33:33.910
Speaker:
Well, it’s that’s I want to say
it’s federal land to I want to

852
00:33:33.910 –> 00:33:34.910
Speaker:
say because that’s.

853
00:33:34.910 –> 00:33:37.430
Speaker:
Yeah, because I want to say it’s
a, I don’t know if it’s state

854
00:33:37.430 –> 00:33:38.950
Speaker:
park or not.

855
00:33:38.950 –> 00:33:40.789
Speaker:
I’m not really for sure,
honestly.

856
00:33:40.789 –> 00:33:42.269
Speaker:
I just know there’s a. Because

857
00:33:42.269 –> 00:33:44.829
Speaker:
it used to be a, um, like maybe

858
00:33:44.829 –> 00:33:46.069
Speaker:
like a historical site because

859
00:33:46.069 –> 00:33:47.069
Speaker:
it used to be like a button

860
00:33:47.069 –> 00:33:48.250
Speaker:
factory back in the nineteen

861
00:33:48.250 –> 00:33:48.710
Speaker:
hundreds.

862
00:33:48.710 –> 00:33:49.269
Speaker:
Okay.

863
00:33:49.269 –> 00:33:50.990
Speaker:
Something something like that.

864
00:33:50.990 –> 00:33:52.829
Speaker:
But yeah, it’s pretty rural.

865
00:33:52.829 –> 00:33:54.950
Speaker:
That’s the thing is like, I’ve

866
00:33:54.950 –> 00:33:56.190
Speaker:
heard people walk in the woods

867
00:33:56.190 –> 00:33:57.750
Speaker:
and they can’t make pops like

868
00:33:57.750 –> 00:33:58.069
Speaker:
this.

869
00:33:58.069 –> 00:34:00.109
Speaker:
Like this had to be something
heavy, right?

870
00:34:00.109 –> 00:34:03.950
Speaker:
Like I’m talking more than
three, four hundred pounds.

871
00:34:03.950 –> 00:34:05.430
Speaker:
Like it had to be heavy.

872
00:34:05.430 –> 00:34:08.110
Speaker:
MM. It makes you wonder.

873
00:34:08.110 –> 00:34:09.070
Speaker:
I mean, because it wasn’t that

874
00:34:09.070 –> 00:34:11.829
Speaker:
far from your second experience,

875
00:34:11.829 –> 00:34:12.849
Speaker:
uh, when you were squirrel

876
00:34:12.849 –> 00:34:13.190
Speaker:
hunting.

877
00:34:13.190 –> 00:34:15.829
Speaker:
So it’s kind of like, I wonder
if there’s a family of these

878
00:34:15.829 –> 00:34:18.519
Speaker:
things or, you know, that’s
their their territory.

879
00:34:18.519 –> 00:34:21.480
Speaker:
And how far away is your was

880
00:34:21.480 –> 00:34:22.880
Speaker:
your first experience from the

881
00:34:22.880 –> 00:34:24.039
Speaker:
second two because, I mean, you

882
00:34:24.039 –> 00:34:24.920
Speaker:
said that the second two were

883
00:34:24.920 –> 00:34:25.800
Speaker:
pretty close.

884
00:34:25.800 –> 00:34:27.440
Speaker:
Oh. Were they?

885
00:34:27.440 –> 00:34:28.000
Speaker:
Maybe so.

886
00:34:28.000 –> 00:34:30.320
Speaker:
I mean, it’s all pretty close
here.

887
00:34:30.320 –> 00:34:31.000
Speaker:
Yeah.

888
00:34:31.000 –> 00:34:31.719
Speaker:
Yeah, absolutely.

889
00:34:31.719 –> 00:34:33.880
Speaker:
And it’s all on one side of a
river too.

890
00:34:33.880 –> 00:34:36.480
Speaker:
It all happened on one side of
the white River.

891
00:34:36.480 –> 00:34:37.960
Speaker:
Well, what do you think says.

892
00:34:37.960 –> 00:34:39.559
Speaker:
I mean, obviously you’ve never.

893
00:34:39.559 –> 00:34:40.119
Speaker:
Nobody knows.

894
00:34:40.119 –> 00:34:41.800
Speaker:
But what do you think Sasquatch
is?

895
00:34:41.800 –> 00:34:45.199
Speaker:
Do you think it’s like a an
actual animal that’s just, like,

896
00:34:45.199 –> 00:34:46.199
Speaker:
not been discovered?

897
00:34:46.199 –> 00:34:50.079
Speaker:
Or do you think it’s like some
sort of paranormal creature that

898
00:34:50.079 –> 00:34:51.760
Speaker:
comes and goes as it pleases?

899
00:34:51.760 –> 00:34:55.320
Speaker:
I mean, it’s kind of like, well,
that’s that’s the thing.

900
00:34:55.320 –> 00:34:56.599
Speaker:
Paranormal like ghosts don’t

901
00:34:56.599 –> 00:34:58.800
Speaker:
leave footprints as far as a

902
00:34:58.800 –> 00:35:00.519
Speaker:
supernatural.

903
00:35:00.519 –> 00:35:03.159
Speaker:
I mean, there’s certain like
ghosts don’t leave footprints.

904
00:35:03.159 –> 00:35:04.400
Speaker:
They don’t do stuff like this.

905
00:35:04.400 –> 00:35:10.199
Speaker:
Whatever it is, is a, is a
physical body of some kind.

906
00:35:10.199 –> 00:35:15.739
Speaker:
But it’s I mean, I don’t think
it’s no ape human.

907
00:35:15.739 –> 00:35:18.500
Speaker:
uh, if anything, it’s just a

908
00:35:18.500 –> 00:35:20.780
Speaker:
species that we just don’t know

909
00:35:20.780 –> 00:35:22.219
Speaker:
yet about.

910
00:35:22.219 –> 00:35:24.780
Speaker:
I mean, that’s the that’s the
only thing I can come up with.

911
00:35:24.780 –> 00:35:27.300
Speaker:
I mean, unless, I mean, it’s

912
00:35:27.300 –> 00:35:29.519
Speaker:
kind of like, uh, there was a

913
00:35:29.519 –> 00:35:32.420
Speaker:
doctor from Idaho State as a

914
00:35:32.420 –> 00:35:36.019
Speaker:
professor, uh, I can’t remember

915
00:35:36.019 –> 00:35:39.179
Speaker:
his name, but he said that we

916
00:35:39.179 –> 00:35:41.179
Speaker:
can go with the theory that it’s

917
00:35:41.179 –> 00:35:43.860
Speaker:
someone dressing up in an ape

918
00:35:43.860 –> 00:35:45.219
Speaker:
costume, trying to scare

919
00:35:45.219 –> 00:35:45.619
Speaker:
someone.

920
00:35:45.619 –> 00:35:48.179
Speaker:
And he said, we can go with that
theory.

921
00:35:48.179 –> 00:35:50.059
Speaker:
But that means that you’re

922
00:35:50.059 –> 00:35:52.139
Speaker:
saying for the past nine hundred

923
00:35:52.139 –> 00:35:55.300
Speaker:
years, someone has dressed up in

924
00:35:55.300 –> 00:35:56.820
Speaker:
an ape costume and scared

925
00:35:56.820 –> 00:35:57.980
Speaker:
natives all over the world,

926
00:35:57.980 –> 00:35:59.179
Speaker:
right?

927
00:35:59.179 –> 00:36:01.559
Speaker:
Yeah, because this is not just
something that popped up in the,

928
00:36:01.559 –> 00:36:03.099
Speaker:
you know, the sixties and 70s.

929
00:36:03.099 –> 00:36:04.980
Speaker:
It’s been for hundreds of years.

930
00:36:04.980 –> 00:36:09.940
Speaker:
That’s something else you have
to ask yourself is every almost

931
00:36:09.940 –> 00:36:16.750
Speaker:
every continent has a great ape
of some kind.

932
00:36:16.750 –> 00:36:20.349
Speaker:
There’s new species being
discovered every day.

933
00:36:20.349 –> 00:36:21.070
Speaker:
But who are.

934
00:36:21.070 –> 00:36:26.510
Speaker:
I mean, who are we to say that
this individual can’t see in the

935
00:36:26.510 –> 00:36:29.030
Speaker:
light spectrum of infrared?

936
00:36:29.030 –> 00:36:32.670
Speaker:
I mean, even dogs can see
infrared lasers.

937
00:36:32.670 –> 00:36:35.369
Speaker:
So it’s not hard to say that you

938
00:36:35.369 –> 00:36:36.869
Speaker:
use camera traps that use

939
00:36:36.869 –> 00:36:37.949
Speaker:
infrared sensors.

940
00:36:37.949 –> 00:36:40.349
Speaker:
So you have all these laser

941
00:36:40.349 –> 00:36:41.389
Speaker:
lights that are pointing out

942
00:36:41.389 –> 00:36:42.829
Speaker:
everywhere.

943
00:36:42.829 –> 00:36:44.630
Speaker:
I mean, if something can see in

944
00:36:44.630 –> 00:36:46.469
Speaker:
infrared, it’s a pretty good

945
00:36:46.469 –> 00:36:47.469
Speaker:
assumption.

946
00:36:47.469 –> 00:36:49.510
Speaker:
It’s not going to go near that.

947
00:36:49.510 –> 00:36:50.869
Speaker:
And that would make sense.

948
00:36:50.869 –> 00:36:53.949
Speaker:
So yeah, that’s something that
we need to take into

949
00:36:53.949 –> 00:36:58.670
Speaker:
consideration too when using
camera traps that if it is using

950
00:36:58.670 –> 00:37:04.530
Speaker:
an infrared sensor and you’re
not capturing said something on

951
00:37:04.530 –> 00:37:07.429
Speaker:
it, there’s a lot of what ifs.

952
00:37:07.429 –> 00:37:14.650
Speaker:
But I mean, at the end of the
day, Yeah, I mean, I, I, I’m a

953
00:37:14.650 –> 00:37:15.530
Speaker:
believer at this point.

954
00:37:15.530 –> 00:37:17.969
Speaker:
I mean, absolutely there’s

955
00:37:17.969 –> 00:37:20.329
Speaker:
something what it is, I don’t

956
00:37:20.329 –> 00:37:20.769
Speaker:
know.

957
00:37:20.769 –> 00:37:23.849
Speaker:
But the phenomenon is real.

958
00:37:23.849 –> 00:37:25.010
Speaker:
That’s that’s the only thing

959
00:37:25.010 –> 00:37:26.969
Speaker:
that I know is, is that it is

960
00:37:26.969 –> 00:37:27.369
Speaker:
real.

961
00:37:27.369 –> 00:37:30.130
Speaker:
I just don’t know what it is.

962
00:37:30.130 –> 00:37:33.110
Speaker:
I want to thank Bill and Angela
for both having the courage to

963
00:37:33.110 –> 00:37:36.210
Speaker:
come forward and share their
encounters with us.

964
00:37:36.210 –> 00:37:37.329
Speaker:
If you’d like to check out

965
00:37:37.329 –> 00:37:38.690
Speaker:
Bill’s footage you talked about,

966
00:37:38.690 –> 00:37:40.369
Speaker:
I do have the link to his

967
00:37:40.369 –> 00:37:41.889
Speaker:
YouTube channel in the show

968
00:37:41.889 –> 00:37:43.050
Speaker:
notes, which you can find at

969
00:37:43.050 –> 00:37:45.230
Speaker:
River city mystery dot com slash

970
00:37:45.230 –> 00:37:47.130
Speaker:
fourteen.

971
00:37:47.130 –> 00:37:49.250
Speaker:
And if you’ve had an encounter
that you’d like to talk about,

972
00:37:49.250 –> 00:37:50.650
Speaker:
I’d love to hear your story.

973
00:37:50.650 –> 00:37:52.530
Speaker:
You can reach out to me at

974
00:37:52.530 –> 00:37:54.969
Speaker:
matt@RiverCityMystery.com, or

975
00:37:54.969 –> 00:37:56.650
Speaker:
you can join my discord at

976
00:37:56.650 –> 00:37:58.429
Speaker:
rivercitymystery.com/

977
00:37:58.429 –> 00:37:59.969
Speaker:
discord.

978
00:37:59.969 –> 00:38:00.889
Speaker:
Thanks for joining me.

979
00:38:00.889 –> 00:38:03.369
Speaker:
And until next time, take care.